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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1650 on: September 22, 2014, 09:27:40 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 22nd, the daily SOI value was down to -13.25, the 30 day avg was down slightly to -9.67, and the 90 day avg was down slightly to –8.16. This is indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino.

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« Reply #1651 on: September 23, 2014, 12:24:37 AM »
bigB,

It would indeed be interesting if we get a double 2014-2015 El Nino event, as your research indicates is possible but at best has a 50%-50% chance of occurring.  The first attached image of the Albany U. 200 hPa anomalies forecast indicates a possible wind couple on either side of the International Dateline beginning around Sept 25 2014, the might help to promote flipping of the Walker Cell into an El Nino mode.  However, I am concerned that the westerly surface wind anomalies that Lord M Vader is referring too may be either too far north, or too weak, to positively influence the current EKW (the second attached image also from Albany U. of the forecast surface wind anomalies between 5N & 5S, indicates only relatively weak westerly winds where we need them [west of 180 degrees] to prevent the current EKW from dissipating).

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1652 on: September 23, 2014, 01:50:27 AM »
The following data issued by the BoM on Sept 23 2014 (Sydney time) indicates that the 30-day moving average SOI has drifted down to -10.1:

20140823,20140921,-10.1

edit: attached is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1653 on: September 23, 2014, 03:22:36 AM »
The first attached image is the latest GOES water vapor satellite imagery of the NE Pacific on Sep 22 at 23:30 UTC, which shows a relatively small but moderate strength low pressure system currently moving east through the Gulf of Alaska. This low pressure system is expected to strengthen significantly over the next 24-36 hours and by tomorrow forecast models are calling for this system to achieve surface level wind speeds of at or above 50 KT and sea heights up to 36 ft. That would qualify this low pressure system as a “storm”(SIDE NOTE: a low pressure system with or without clouds, precipitation, lightning, thunder, etc... and surface level wind speeds of 34 to about 48 KT is typically referred to as a Gale, while a low pressure system with clouds, precipitation, lightening, thunder, etc... and surface level wind speeds of 49 to about 63 KT is typically referred to as a Storm.) So two things of significance to point out here: (a) We have a N PAC winter type storm in the month of September, and (b) this storm is currently positioned at lower than usual latitudes for this time of year and in the Gulf of Alaska. The Gulf of Alaska has been mostly plagued by blocking high pressure for the past 3 years and around this time last year there was a HUGE unforgettable ridge of high pressure(1032 MB) over this region. Being a surfer, I constantly monitor the North Pacific Jet Stream configuration and its associated low and high pressure systems(mostly during Fall, Winter, and Spring when its active.). This year things are already looking much different, which is very likely a great sign of things to come. This suggests that at least some level of atmospheric response is already under way, as is beginning to be reflected by the strength of Jet Steam this early in the season and the current SOI values. Also, the East Pacific hurricane season ACE value(already well above normal at 157, which is the highest value seen since 1997) vs. Atlantic hurricane season ACE value(still well below normal at 37, which is about half of the value required to even be considered a near normal season).

The second attachment includes images from Stormsurf.com of the GFS 24 hr forecast for the North Pacific 250 MB wind speed and height a.k.a. the Jet Stream(TOP), as well as surface level wind and SLP(BOTTOM). These images are provided as a visual reference to the subject matter discussed in the paragraph above.

ASLR,

Indeed, it would be interesting to see a double up. I believe there may be some confusion as often happens in type, which is no big deal. I'm not so much of the opinion that we will see a “double up” or a “piggy back” El Nino, but more like a Multi-year warm event. This is different than a “double up” or “piggy back” El Nino like we saw in 86-88. I'm leaning more towards something similar to what we saw during the early/mid 00's or even perhaps what we saw during the early/mid 90's. Except both those time periods started off with a moderate+ El Nino followed be weak or at least weaker El Nino. Regardless, a multi year El Nino or multi year time period(3-4 years) in which El Ninos or El Nino "like" conditions dominate, with no La Nina conditions looks somewhat possible. I just want to make it clear to everyone that I do NOT think this is the likely outcome at the moment, but rather a mere possibility. Speaking for myself and Mark Sponsler, it's just an interesting suggestion being made by models and is nothing more than something to think about and add to the list of possible outcomes. Whats for sure is that the multi year La Nina conditions are dead as is reflected by the 2011-Sep 2014 TAO zonal wind data I posted a few replies back. I agree 100% with you ASLR, that westerly winds may be too far west and or too weak. However, the GFS models have been having trouble getting a handle on forecasts beyond a couple days during the past few weeks and I'm just using forecasts a couple days into the future until I see models come into better agreement. I've been relying on real time data a lot lately. We'll see what happens but again, I 100% share the same concerns as you.(NOTE: you may have noticed the “flip flop” nature of UAlbany charts or any of the other GFS models. This may not be a bad thing though as it could mean that shifting weather patterns are making it hard for models figure out whats going on, or not).

EDIT: I wanted to add in this quote from Michael Hauber's reply #1659 as it sums up my feelings on this matter perfectly:

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The forecast for this el nino to not weaken early in the new year is interesting.  This is highly unusual as even with multi-year events such as 91-95 and 02-07 el nino has still waned significantly early in the year to revive later in the year, and historically nearly all enso events both warm and cool peak near the new year.  86/87/88 is a notable exception where a weak el nino in 86/87 continued to build all through 87 to make a strong event in 87/88.  Something to watch, but as this forecast is still a way out, and somewhat against historical precedent I would not yet say that it is a likely outcome.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1654 on: September 23, 2014, 04:21:41 AM »
Attached is another view of the projected N PAC storm from Surfline.com of the GFS 18 hr forecast for surface level wind, precipitation, and SLP, which suggests that by 5 am PST tomorrow, this storm will have a minimum central pressure of 975 MB, surface level winds between 50-55 KT, and a small but impressive possible band of rain near the center. Remember this is September and clearly the opposite of what we've in this region for the past 3 years!

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1655 on: September 23, 2014, 05:04:21 PM »
The attached images were issued by the BoM today for the week ending Sept 21 2014.  The first image shows that the Nino 3.4 has increased to +0.53, and the second image shows that the IOD has also increased (both positive signs for a possible El Nino event).

bigB,

In your Reply #1674, I appreciate your discussion of different possible ENSO patterns besides a possible double-up 2014-2015 El Nino.  I could not agree more that there will likely be an increased frequency of periods of El Nino like ocean temperatures (like we had from March - June 2014), Modoki's, multi-year moderate El Nino's, and periods with less frequent and weaker La Nina's.  It appears that with the current/continuing positive PDO/IPO phase, continuing mean global temperature increases; and with a likely change of the AMO to a warming phase within 10-years; it appears to me that we will see a lot more behavior like what Michael Hauber's reply #1659 indicates.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1656 on: September 23, 2014, 05:07:52 PM »
The attached plots were issued today by the BoM for the week ending Sept 21 2014, and while both the Nino 1 & 2 plots (first and second images) are down, the plots for the Nino 3 & 4 indices (third and fourth images) are either slightly up, or unchanged:
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1657 on: September 23, 2014, 08:02:58 PM »
Todays preliminary data from TAO/PMEL shows more signs of a moderate WWB with an extending area in the left corner with anomalies exceeding 6 m/s at 140-150E. If these numbers persist for a couple of days we'll have the strongest westerlies since April. It will also be exciting to see if these numbers gathering stength or if they will fade out the next couple of days! Whether these westerlies will be enough to support our current EKW I don't know but there certainly is no bad news...

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« Reply #1658 on: September 23, 2014, 10:47:16 PM »
Attached is a comparison of two separate low pressure systems/Storms off the U.S. West Coast using GOES satellite images form Feb 28, 2014(TOP) and Sep 23, 2014(BOTTOM). Notice the striking similarities between these 2 systems(they almost look like the same storm at first glance). The Feb 28, 2014 storm in the top image was one of the strongest storms to impact CA since 2011, bringing many areas of southern CA 4-6+ inches of rain and coastal flooding over a 3 day period. Provided below is a link for more details about that storm for those who would like to read more or refresh their memory of that event. The current storm will NOT impact CA like the Feb 28 storm as its too far to the north. Not be so repetitive, but the point I'm trying to stress here is that we are in September and already seeing a very powerful winter type storm. ASCAT and other satellite data from earlier this morning confirmed ocean surface wind speeds of 50+ KT and a central pressure of 973 MB. Not to mention seas of almost 40 ft. This is without a doubt a clear sign that the atmosphere already has more energy than normal or at least more than what we have seen for the past 3 years.

NOTE: the Long Paddock site has not issued SOI values for Sep 23. I'll be sure to post them as soon as they become available.

Link to details on the Feb 28, 2014 winter storm: http://earthsky.org/earth/major-storm-slamming-california

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1659 on: September 24, 2014, 01:01:23 AM »
The following is the BoM's current ENSO Overview, issued today:

"Despite most ocean and atmospheric indicators falling short of El Niño thresholds, model outlooks and recent observations indicate that a late El Niño remains possible. The Bureau’s ENSO Tracker indicates there is at least a 50% chance of El Niño developing over the coming months, which is double the long-term likelihood.

The Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) has now remained negative for several weeks, and some renewed warming has occurred across the equatorial Pacific Ocean over the past fortnight. Both support the possibility of El Niño becoming established in the months ahead. Six of the eight international climate models surveyed by the Bureau indicate El Niño, or near-El Niño, conditions are likely for the southern summer.

El Niño is often associated with below-average rainfall over large parts of southern and eastern inland areas of Australia and above-average daytime temperatures over southern Australia. Such impacts can often occur while an event is developing, as experienced in some locations over the past several months.

The Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) in the tropical Indian Ocean continues to show signs that it has returned to a neutral state. Waters to the north of Australia and in the Timor Sea are now at near-average temperatures. All climate models surveyed by the Bureau indicate the IOD will continue to weaken, with neutral conditions likely to become well established during the coming months."
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1660 on: September 24, 2014, 01:51:12 AM »
Per the following data issued by the BoM today, the 30-day moving average SOI has drifted up to -9.7:

20140824,20140922,-9.7

edit: here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1661 on: September 24, 2014, 07:33:05 PM »
As of Sep 24, SOI values from the Long Paddock site have still not been updated. Based on the recent 30 day avg SOI value issued by the BOM and the latest GFS model runs, I suspect that daily SOI values have been either near 0.0 or even slightly positive. GFS models are suggesting the return of a more favorable SLP pattern by around Sunday Sep 28. The recent prolonged run of negative daily SOI values has likely made the 30 and 90 day avg extremely sensitive to any type of positive daily values. This would likely mean that if in fact we are moving through a short run of daily values near 0.0 or even slightly positive, the 30 and 90 avg will likely rise noticeably. Especially the 30 day avg. How far  they will rise is uncertain, if at all. We'll have to wait and see. If the value for the 30 day avg issued by the BOM later today rises again, then we'll know that the models are least somewhat on to something, but model forecasts beyond 3-4 days seem to be a bit unreliable at the moment. Something to think about and monitor. 

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1662 on: September 24, 2014, 11:59:12 PM »
The attached image issued by NOAA today shows that the Equatorial Pacific Upper Ocean Heat Anomalies from 180 to 110W have peaked and are now headed downward, indicating that without a WWB soon the current EKW will likely continue to dissipate.
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« Reply #1663 on: September 25, 2014, 01:52:35 AM »
Per the following data issued by the BoM today the 30-day moving average SOI has drifted down to -9.8:

20140825,20140923,-9.8

edit: Here is the plot
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« Reply #1664 on: September 25, 2014, 01:56:42 AM »
The value for the 30 day avg issued by the BOM today did not rise, suggesting that the daily values are at least in the weak negative range(even using the BOM's base period). Also suggesting that forecast models may indeed be struggling to get a grip on reality. A few more days are needed as trends in SOI values issued by the BOM usually tend to run a day or so behind that of the Long Paddock site.

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« Reply #1665 on: September 25, 2014, 04:31:43 PM »
From the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology (JAMSTEC) update for September 24th:

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ENSO forecast: The SINTEX-F model predicts that the present weak phase of El Niño will continue until boreal winter. That condition will gradually shift to an El Niño Modoki in early next year.

Indian Ocean forecast: The negative IOD in the Indian Ocean will change to a basin-wide warm mode in boreal winter in response to the capacitor effect of Pacific El Niño/El Niño Modoki.

Regional forecast: In boreal fall, as a seasonally averaged view, most parts of Europe, Africa, Middle East, Russia, India, Southeastern Asia, South American Continent, northern U.S., and the Far East including Japan will experience a warmer-than-normal condition. On the other hand, southern parts of South Africa, Australia, and U.S. will be in a colder-than-normal condition.
For the rainfall, again as a seasonally averaged view, the Maritime Continent (except for Sumatra), northern Australia, Caribbean countries, and East Africa will experience a drier-than-normal condition. All those may be somehow related to the development of weak El Niño and negative IOD. A wetter-than-normal condition is predicted for U.S, in particular, California, because of the warmer-than-normal SST; this may be related to the newly identified regional phenomenon “California Niño”, too.

See also the attached image from JAMSTEC, which shows that the surface air temperature during the northern autumn is forecast to be much above average nearly everywhere in the world (which they describe further in their regional forecast.) This could propel 2014 to a record hottest year.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1666 on: September 26, 2014, 01:17:39 AM »
Per the following data issued by the BoM today, the 30-day moving average SOI has moved up to -9.3:

20140826,20140924,-9.3

edit: Here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1667 on: September 26, 2014, 01:56:59 AM »
The attached Eq Pac Subsurface Temperature Anomalies plot issued by NOAA for Sept 20 2014, indicates that at that time the current EKW was/is continuing to strengthen.
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« Reply #1668 on: September 26, 2014, 09:11:24 AM »
From my favorite Minnesota weather blogger, Paul Huttner of Minnesota Public Radio.

Hints of emerging El Nino?

Tropical Pacific sea surface temperature anomalies seem to show a more consistent El Nino ribbon forming in the past two weeks in the tropical Pacific, with an expanding warm bubble in the western Pacific.
NOAA



This may be borderline premature, but I’m starting to see atmospheric patterns over North America that resemble El Nino years.

A ‘split flow’ jet stream pattern maybe developing, with the Polar Front Jet unusually far north into Canada for late September. This is a telltale El Nino pattern, and may (or may not) be a precursor to a developing El Nino. But it’s worth watching to see how the autumn jet stream patterns evolve as we head for October.
NOAA GFS 500 millibar upper air pattern for October 11th.



If this type of split flow develops, it could be good news with precious rains for drought stricken fire ravaged California, and bring milder than average fall weather to Minnesota.

Stay tuned.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1669 on: September 26, 2014, 04:20:27 PM »
As jbatteen indicates that there are indications that North American weather patterns are beginning to show the influence of El Nino conditions.  I provide the attached earth surface wind map (for Sept 26 2014) to show that the Amundsen Bellingshausen Sea Low, ABSL, has shifted eastward (it was previously nearer to the Ross Sea); which is also a sign of El Nino atmospheric conditions.  Furthermore, if the ABSL remains near its current location for an extended period, it will drive warm ocean water into the Amundsen Sea Embayment, ASE, which will acceleration ice mass loss from the critical marine glaciers there; which will accelerate sea level rise, SLR.

PS: Also note the easterly location of the SPCZ; which if sustained, could provide a positive feedback to support El Nino conditions.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1670 on: September 26, 2014, 08:02:22 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 26th, the daily SOI value was up to +6.06, the 30 day avg was up to -8.67, and the 90 day avg was up to –7.33. This is STILL indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino. The unfavorable SLP pattern that GFS models were calling for earlier this week has materialized, but a few days behind schedule. This has restored a small amount of faith in GFS model forecasts. According to the latest GFS model runs, a favorable SLP pattern is to begin returning to Tahiti by about Sunday. As mentioned a few posts back, the prolonged run of negative daily SOI values over the past few months has made the 30 and 90 day avg SOI values sensitive to any type of positive daily values. We'll see how accurate the GFS model projections are during the next few days. OF NOTE: The pocket of cool subsurface temp anomalies under the Central Pacific continues to build. This is something to watch(see second attachment and notice that actual sensors are measuring these cool subsurface temp anomalies.). As ASLR has mentioned, we need a WWB or at least moderate westerly wind anomalies to kick in soon. GFS models(i.e. UAlbany zonal wind forecast) are suggesting that within a few days, moderate westerly winds are to build in association with tropical activity in the Western Pacific. A few things to monitor.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1671 on: September 26, 2014, 09:47:59 PM »
First, BigB & ASLR I think it's rather interesting with such big differences between the pics showing the temp anomalies.

If one is to believe the CFSv2 forecast from NOAA there is a possibilty of rather strong westerlies by the end of next week e.g from Oct 3 to Oct 9 in the area east of Phillippines. IF this forecast comes true it should help our EKW to gather some strength. Those positive wind anomalies are then forecasted to persist to Oct 16 and expanding eastward. See attached pics.





Latest EURO 12z run (Operational) forecast supports the idea of westerly wind anomalies as a pretty huge low pressure area is scheduled to evolve by the end of next week followed by a smaller one further east. This could be a really big tropical storm that may evolve slowly due to its presumed huge size which usually require longer time for the system to organize itself.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1672 on: September 26, 2014, 11:56:10 PM »
The linked reference discusses the importance of the effects of freshwater flux (FWF) on modulating ENSO variability:

Xianbiao Kang, Ronghui Huang, Zhanggui Wang, & Rong-Hua Zhang, (September 2014), "Sensitivity of ENSO variability to Pacific freshwater flux adjustment in the Community Earth System Model", Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 31, Issue 5, pp 1009-1021

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00376-014-3232-2

Abstract: "The effects of freshwater flux (FWF) on modulating ENSO have been of great interest in recent years. Large FWF bias is evident in Coupled General Circulation Models (CGCMs), especially over the tropical Pacific where large precipitation bias exists due to the so-called “double ITCZ” problem. By applying an empirical correction to FWF over the tropical Pacific, the sensitivity of ENSO variability is investigated using the new version (version 1.0) of the NCAR’s Community Earth System Model (CESM1.0), which tends to overestimate the interannual variability of ENSO accompanied by large FWF into the ocean. In response to a small adjustment of FWF, interannual variability in CESM1.0 is reduced significantly, with the amplitude of FWF being reduced due to the applied adjustment part whose sign is always opposite to that of the original FWF field. Furthermore, it is illustrated that the interannual variability of precipitation weakens as a response to the reduced interannual variability of SST. Process analysis indicates that the interannual variability of SST is damped through a reduced FWF-salt-density-mixing-SST feedback, and also through a reduced SST-wind-thermocline feedback. These results highlight the importance of FWF in modulating ENSO, and thus should be adequately taken into account to improve the simulation of FWF in order to reduce the bias of ENSO simulations by CESM."
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1673 on: September 27, 2014, 12:09:53 AM »
The attached NOAA SSTA plot for Sept 25 2014 indicates that the current EKW is continuing to surface indicating that the Nino 3.4 index is likely to remain at, or above, +0.5 on Monday.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1674 on: September 27, 2014, 01:13:46 AM »
The following data issued by the BoM today indicates that the 30-day moving average SOI has moved up to -8.8:

20140827,20140925,-8.8

edit: here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1675 on: September 27, 2014, 01:46:21 AM »
The first attachment is the latest GOES visible satellite imagery of invest 99W on Sep 26 at 21:32 UTC, which is currently located in Western Pacific near 6N and 165E. 99W is generally moving towards the west. At the moment the southern flank of 99W's wind field is in a prime location to aid/support in WWB activity. However, the latest intensity and track guidance forecast suggests that invest 99W will soon begin to lift towards the WNW or NW, away from the equator while strengthening. If this were to happen then we'll likely only see a brief window of support for WWB activity from 99W. It's worth noting that the forecast skill exhibited by intensity and track guidance models is notoriously low in the early stages of TC development and thus, it's possible that 99W could aid/support in a decent amount of westerly wind or even a WWB. More TC activity is in the forecast and at this time it appears that the chances for meaningful a WWB are increasing.

The second attached image is the UAlbany(courtesy Carl Shreck) GFS 60 hr forecast for precipitation and 850 hPa wind anomalies in the Western Pacific, which shows the possible WWB or westerly wind activity associated with tropical invest 99W. If this were to happen then we would definitely see some meaningful westerly wind activity. This is also inline with the CFSv2 forecast presented by LMV. We'll see what happens.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1676 on: September 27, 2014, 02:44:32 AM »
Attached is the daily SSTA image for Sep 26 from the EMC(TOP) and the TAO plots of zonal winds and anomalies(BOTTOM), which shows a cool or at least a cooler pocket of SSTA on the equator near 140W. This pocket first appeared about 3 days ago and has been growing ever since. SSTA in the Eastern Pacific appear to be slowly getting warmer as the latest Kelvin wave is now beginning to surface off the Galapagos Islands. The warming SSTA from the surfacing Kevin wave should eventually begin advecting back towards the west, filling in the Nino 3.4 region. I suspect that the cool  pocket of SSTA seen on the equator around 140W are a direct result of the weak easterly wind anomalies seen in the bottom TAO plot and are hopefully just temporary. As mentioned by ASLR, the Nino 3.4 will likely still be around +0.5 deg c on Monday or at the very worst +0.4 deg c depending what this pocket does.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1677 on: September 27, 2014, 11:44:53 AM »
MEI-index still sort of pondering whether to go over 1 or not, no clear sign of an el Nino here either: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/table.html

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1678 on: September 27, 2014, 08:54:20 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 27th, the daily SOI value was down slightly to +5.29, the 30 day avg was up to -8.31, and the 90 day avg was up to –7.21. This is STILL indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino. GFS models continue to suggest that by as early as tomorrow or Monday, we could begin to see a gradually improving SLP pattern at Tahiti, with high pressure moving out and weak low pressure moving back in. How much improvement if any, remains uncertain. During the next few days we will be moving through a cluster of moderate plus negative daily SOI values leaving both the 30 and 90 day avg. Without the return of at least moderate negative daily SOI values to replace those that are leaving, the 30 and 90 day avg SOI values will continue to rise.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1679 on: September 28, 2014, 02:05:45 AM »
Per the attached data issued by the BoM today, the 30-day moving average SOI has drifted up to -8.3:

20140828,20140926,-8.3

edit: Here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1680 on: September 28, 2014, 08:29:37 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 28th, the daily SOI value was down to +0.36, the 30 day avg was up to -7.91, and the 90 day avg was up to –7.07. This is STILL indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino. Based on recent trends, observations of real time data, and the latest GFS model forecasts for SLP at Darwin and Tahiti, it looks like we'll see daily SOI values hang around the 0.0 range for the next few days(+ or - a few points). This would mean that the 30 and 90 day avg SOI values will continue to rise.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1681 on: September 29, 2014, 01:42:54 AM »
The following data issued by the BoM today indicates that the 30-day moving average SOI has drifted above -8.0 for the first time since August 15 2014 and is now -7.8:

20140829,20140927,-7.8


edit: Here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1682 on: September 29, 2014, 01:56:05 AM »
The following Cylcocane report indicates that a WWB in the Western North Pacific area is possible:

"WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA):
   A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY:
      (1) AT 281800Z, TROPICAL DEPRESSION 18W (EIGHTEEN) WAS
LOCATED NEAR 12.4N 153.3E, APPROXIMATELY 305 NM NORTH-NORTHEAST OF
CHUUK, AND HAD TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 18 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS WERE ESTIMATED AT 25
KNOTS GUSTING TO 35 KNOTS. SEE REF A (WTPN32 PGTW 282100) FOR
FURTHER DETAILS.
      (2) AT 281800Z, TROPICAL STORM 17W (KAMMURI) WAS LOCATED NEAR
32.1N 145.6E, APPROXIMATELY 337 NM SOUTHEAST OF NARITA AIRPORT, AND
HAD TRACKED NORTHEASTWARD AT 13 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS WERE ESTIMATED AT 45 KNOTS GUSTING
TO 55 KNOTS. SEE REF B (WTPN31 PGTW 282100) FOR FURTHER DETAILS.
      (3) NO OTHER TROPICAL CYCLONES.
   B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
      (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 10.1N
158.7E, IS NOW THE SUBJECT OF A TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING. SEE PARA.
1.A.(2) FOR FURTHER DETAILS."
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1683 on: September 29, 2014, 03:52:26 AM »
to reinforce ASLR's post above,

We currently have a nice little area of weak-moderate westerly winds blowing on the equator from about 130E-155E. This appears to be partly associated with TC 18W(was invest 99W) of the Western Pacific and a small area of weak low pressure just to its south in the southern hemisphere(see first attachment of the earth wind map from today Sep 28). This is good and much needed. If this can continue for a even a few more days it would help generate at least weak warm water downwelling in the Western Equatorial Pacific, which would of course in turn provide reinforcement of our subsurface warm water supply. At this point time we'll take what we can get, but it would be nice to see these westerly winds continue to strengthen and then hold for the next several days(3 days or more). According to GFS models, these westerly winds are expected to strengthen through tomorrow and then hold for a few days before backing off slightly, but still remaining present over the far Western Equatorial Pacific through late next week. Something to monitor(see second attachment of the UAlbany(courtesy Carl Shreck) GFS 24 hr forecasts).

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1684 on: September 29, 2014, 03:59:44 AM »
The attached video is for those who would like to view the latest ENSO/MJO update/forecast video from STORMSURF.COM, by MARK SPONSLER, updated September 28, 2014. Skip to 10:36 to view ENSO/MJO update/forecast.



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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1685 on: September 29, 2014, 04:35:24 AM »
The two attached images are from the following linked NOAA website.  The first image compares observed Nino 3.4 values vs the dynamic model forecasts; while the second image compares the observed Nino 3.4 values vs the statistical model forecasts.  The plots (and the linked article) indicate that the dynamic forecasts are currently more accurate but tend to err by forecasting values on the high side:

http://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/how-good-have-enso-forecasts-been-lately

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1686 on: September 29, 2014, 06:21:19 AM »
ASLR,

Great link, thanks for sharing it!

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1687 on: September 29, 2014, 04:10:21 PM »
The following data issue by NOAA indicates that for the week centered on Sept 24 2014, the Nino3.4 index has dropped down to +0.4 (which is below the El Nino threshold)

                  Nino1+2          Nino3        Nino34        Nino4
 Week           SST SSTA     SST SSTA   SST SSTA   SST SSTA
 30JUL2014     21.8 0.6     25.5 0.2     26.9-0.1     29.0 0.3
 06AUG2014    22.2 1.2     25.6 0.4     27.0 0.0     29.2 0.5
 13AUG2014    21.9 1.2     25.5 0.5     26.9 0.0     29.0 0.4
 20AUG2014    22.1 1.4     25.5 0.5     27.1 0.3     29.1 0.4
 27AUG2014    21.3 0.8     25.4 0.4     27.2 0.4     29.2 0.5
 03SEP2014     21.7 1.2     25.3 0.4     27.1 0.4     29.2 0.5
 10SEP2014     21.1 0.7     25.3 0.4     27.3 0.5     29.4 0.7
 17SEP2014     21.0 0.7     25.2 0.4     27.2 0.5     29.4 0.8
 24SEP2014     21.2 0.8     25.4 0.5     27.1 0.4     29.3 0.6

Additionally, the attached image shows that the Equatorial Pacific Upper Ocean Heat Anomalies is in a relatively flat phase that could go up, or down, depending on what the atmosphere does.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1688 on: September 29, 2014, 08:26:42 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 29th, the daily SOI value was up to +3.63, the 30 day avg was up to -6.92, and the 90 day avg was up to –6.78. This is STILL indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino. The SLP pattern at Tahiti has improved over the past few days, dropping from 1016 MB down to 1014 MB, but the SLP pattern at Darwin has NOT improved, dropping overnight from 1013 MB down to 1011MB. According GFS models, a similar SLP pattern is to hold through the next several days. This would result in daily SOI values near 0.0(+ or – a few points) during that time. This is what I meant when I said that the prolonged run of negative daily SOI values has made the 30 and 90 day avg sensitive to any type of positive daily values. Looking at the big picture and factoring in all other oceanic and atmospheric signs and symptoms, I suspect that this is just temporary, as is the slight cooling in the Nino 3.4 region, which I had a feeling would happen when I saw easterly wind anomalies kick in with a cooler pocket of SSTA pop up underneath them in that region last week. Currently, we've got weak-moderate westerly winds in the Western Pacific and a moderate Kelvin wave under the Central/Eastern Pacific beginning to surface. If it wasn't for those two things I'd be worried. We'll see.

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1689 on: September 30, 2014, 01:49:19 AM »
Per the following data issued by the BoM today, the 30-day moving average SOI has continued to increase and now has a value of -6.7 (and thus is in the neutral range):

20140830,20140928,-6.7

Edit: Here is the plot.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1690 on: September 30, 2014, 04:15:51 PM »
The first two images were issued by the BoM showing the Nino 3.4 and the IOD indices for the week ending Sept 28 2014.  The first image shows that the Nino 3.4 has dropped to +0.37 (which is lower than NOAA's value of +0.4); while on the other hand, for the first time since June the IOD is in the positive territory (which is positive for the long-term prospects of an El Nino early next year).

The third attached image issued by NOAA shows the Eq Pac Subsurface Temperature Anomalies for Sept 25 2014; which shows that the current EKW is starting to dissipate (which again point us towards a possible El Nino in early 2015 due to the cyclic nature of the EKW's)
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1691 on: September 30, 2014, 04:19:44 PM »
The four attached plots which all issued by BoM of the Nino 1, 2, 3 & 4 indices for the week ending Sept 28 2014.  In general terms these plots indicate that the current EKW is dissipating, and that it is primarily up to the atmosphere at this point as to whether an El Nino forms early next year (however, it looks clear that we will likely avoid a La Nina next year).
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1692 on: September 30, 2014, 10:02:05 PM »
Attached are the recent (preliminary) southern oscillation index (SOI) values from the Long Paddock site. As of September 30th, the daily SOI value was down to -4.22, the 30 day avg was up to -6.62, and the 90 day avg was up to –6.48. This is STILL indicative of at least El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are neutral, bordering on weak El Nino. NOTE: provided below are two links, one leads to ONI values and the other to monthly SOI values. If you do a quick bit of research you will find that during the onset or even during well established weak-moderate El Nino conditions, SOI values can fluctuate up to above -8.0 for a month or so. Monitoring SOI values over the next 2-3 weeks will be an important piece of the puzzle to determining whether or not the atmosphere is showing some level of response. If there is in fact some sort of weak atmospheric response going on, then i suspect SOI values will likely stay at least in weak negative territory before dropping again(even if SOI values hit very weak positive territory but then quickly drop back into negative territory we'll be ok). If SOI values return to positive territory and then holds, we'll know that the atmosphere gave it a shot, but just couldn't commit. During the past 5 years that I've been watching SOI values on a regular basis, this is the longest run in negative territory that I've seen since 2010. The 30 day avg has been in negative territory for 13 weeks now.

ONI VALUES: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml

SOI VALUES: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soihtm1.shtml

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« Reply #1693 on: September 30, 2014, 10:12:19 PM »
BigB, can you explain to a novice what 'negative' means, and what values of the SOI would mean that a Nino had started? Thx :)
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1694 on: September 30, 2014, 11:16:31 PM »
viddaloo,

Here is my response to your question:

Sustained positive values of the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) above +8 may indicate a La Niña event, while sustained negative values below −8 may indicate an El Niño event. Values of between about +8 and −8 generally indicate neutral conditions.  The SOI is the most volatile and least predictive of all of the ENSO indices (the Multivariate ENSO Index, MEI, is probably the most predictive index); however, the SOI is available daily so we provide it.

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« Reply #1695 on: September 30, 2014, 11:25:48 PM »
Excellent! My next stupid novice Nino question would be if the chances of an El Nino increase in December? In general, that is, not just this year.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1696 on: October 01, 2014, 12:04:20 AM »
viddaloo,

You might want to read the discussion at the following website for a more complete response; however, it is my impression that El Nino events are less likely to develop in December (although they can and do occur then) as indicated by the two attached plots (from the MEI site):

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/

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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1697 on: October 01, 2014, 01:36:36 AM »
Per the following data issued by the BoM today, the 30-day moving averages SOI has drifted down to -6.8:

20140831,20140929,-6.8

edit: Here is the plot
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1698 on: October 01, 2014, 01:46:15 AM »
viddaloo,

EDIT: Just wanted to say I concur with ASLR's response in reply 1715.

I don't believe that El Nino had ever started. Negative values for the 30 day avg have not persisted long enough or strong enough to declare out and out El Nino conditions. However, I believe that the current run of negative(below ZERO) 30 day avg SOI values, is at least indicative of El Nino “like” conditions. That is, conditions that are NEUTRAL, bordering on weak El Nino. The daily, 30 day, and 90 day avg SOI values all indicate that for the past few months, SLP(Sea Level Pressure) at Darwin has been slightly higher than normal, while SLP at Tahiti has been slightly lower than normal. This is what causes SOI values to become negative and likely suggests that there has been some level of weak atmospheric response to the slightly above avg SSTA in the tropical Pacific. There have been other contributing factors to negative daily SOI values(negative daily SOI values of course influence the 30 and 90 day avg SOI values) over the past few months, such as the SPCZ(South Pacific Convergence Zone), weak active phases of the MJO, and high and low pressure systems passing over these regions. However, none of those contributing factors would be able to hold daily SOI values in the negative range for longer than a few weeks, except the MJO, which just hasn’t been strong enough since April to do that. In fact, we saw negative daily SOI values continue even when there was a supposed inactive phase of the MJO in the Western Pacific, which should have caused daily SOI values to become positive. So something else must be going on. Notice that in the attached image from Weatherzone, the recent run of negative values for the SOI 30 day avg is longer than anything we've seen since at least 2011(if the plot showed data back to 2010 then one would see that its actually the longest run since 2010). Not the strongest, but the longest. Also, notice how the SOI remained essentially positive through all of 2011 when we were in moderate La Nina conditions. Provided below are definitions that should help bring some understanding to what the SOI is and how it pertains to ENSO conditions.

The first definition of the SOI comes from STORMSURF.COM,  by Mark Sponsler:

SOI: First we look at the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI). This index/number compares surface pressure over Darwin Australia with pressure over Tahiti. If this value is negative for an extended period of time, that indicates average surface pressure is lower over Tahiti and higher over Darwin, symptomatic of El Nino (or over short durations, ~ 20 days, the Active Phase of the MJO). Positive values over longer times indicates La Nina (or the Inactive Phase of the MJO for shorter durations). The greater the negative or positive value over time, the stronger the ENSO (El Nino Southern Oscillation) configuration (be it El Nino or La Nina). During El Nino episodes wind flows from generally high pressure over Darwin towards generally lower pressure over Tahiti, which is a reverse of what a normal state is. When it's positive, the reverse it true, with higher pressure over Tahiti and lower pressure over Darwin, typical of La Nina, with wind flowing east to west, typical of the trade wind pattern for this region, only more so. The March-June time frame is called the 'Spring Unpredictability Barrier'.  During this time wild swings in the SOI can occur, driven by pulses of the MJO. These swings do not always reflect the start of a long term trend, and often can be 'red-herrings' or 'false starts'.

The Second definition of the SOI comes from the BOM:

The Southern Oscillation Index, or SOI, gives an indication of the development and intensity of El Niño or La Niña events in the Pacific Ocean. The SOI is calculated using the pressure differences between Tahiti and Darwin. Sustained negative values of the SOI below −8 often indicate El Niño episodes. These negative values are usually accompanied by sustained warming of the central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean, a decrease in the strength of the Pacific Trade Winds, and a reduction in winter and spring rainfall over much of eastern Australia and the Top End. Sustained positive values of the SOI above +8 are typical of a La Niña episode. They are associated with stronger Pacific trade winds and warmer sea temperatures to the north of Australia. Waters in the central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean become cooler during this time. Together these give an increased probability that eastern and northern Australia will be wetter than normal.
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Re: 2014 El Nino?
« Reply #1699 on: October 01, 2014, 03:47:13 AM »
Are we seeing the Kelvin wave beginning to breach?

Image provided by Physical Sciences Division, Earth System Research Laboratory, NOAA, Boulder, Colorado, from their Web site at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/cgi-bin/DataAccess.pl?DB_dataset=NOAA+High-resolution+Blended+Analysis&DB_variable=Sea+Surface+Temperature+Anomalies&DB_statistic=Anomaly&DB_tid=42937&DB_did=132&DB_vid=2421

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