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Arctic sea ice / Re: What the Buoys are telling
« on: June 26, 2017, 12:21:52 AM »
 :o
Oh good golly gosh! So is what you may be saying that it is a thicker bit of ice at a metre that it is being than many that is being its neighbours to in what it is penetrates?

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Latest PIOMAS update (June - mid month update)
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:45:52 PM »
This is comparison of apples with candyfloss. Weve seen here this week confirmation that the ice is now layers of snow with melted and refrozen crusts that fool sat sensors into believing its all ice beneath them. The insulation means warm salt slush is the majority of what has formed beneath. The salt ice slurry will chill the floating snow for a while to below zero. But volume is certainly lower than piomass is calculating due to density and freeboard ramifications. Likely there will be a sudden crash as soon as a decent stir is administered by a wet warm cyclone.

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Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 12, 2017, 12:31:52 PM »
Getting the ecology diverse enough to sustain predator populations is a good idea. Don't know whats local their. Particularly for slugs. Lizards frogs some larger hunting spiders. Perhaps. Certainly birds but they can turn on your produce of course. Often a few free range hens are effective. Putting them in a chicken tractor and prepping beds with them is effective if done intelligently. Their are also lots of parasite wasps that lay their eggs in slugs in bugs and they feed on nectar from flowers with shallow bells. They are great pollinators too. Two mistakes are not enough species in the plot and fully exterminating the pests. The predators need some to be present. If you avoid monocultural plots you don't get nature rushing in to stop the dangerously overprolific selfish species. Good way to attract local predators if you got a pest explosion is grind some up in a triggerspraywith water and spray them all over the garden. Their mates think it aint so safe and the preds smell a banquet.
Using char? You'd be astonished how much better everything grows. And healthy plants in good diversity seem very rarely touched. Preds seem more drawn to the struggling. If you really have a slug plague then a moat with some frogponds would be ultimate.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: June 11, 2017, 10:46:10 PM »
But then we have soggy mud across the whole region exposed to the two weeks of peak insolation. Ever been on tropical islands anywhere near the wet season? Set your clock by the afternoon thunderstorms. Then next morning the evaporation ramps up. By early afternoon the convection cells have organised and its all on again at four when you're gathered in a bar for a couple hours of torrential downpour. And drinking. Difference here is the nights a little longer. Middays a month with more insolation per sqm of darker ground. Mr coriolus has far bigger muscles to the sth is shedloads of heat begging to be whistled up to bundle up that lighter than air water vapour and to the nth a very hungry heat sink condenser thirsty to receive it.

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I is the only 0.5 to 0.75.
Tried to vote 0.75 to 1.0 but the forum god said SOD OFF! Go and log out and log back in again after you had a think ya lousy lurka. So far things seem going just as I suggested they would a month ago. The sublimation of snow on the pack combined with extreme surface area and saltiness of the  shattered and rotten pack has pegged temps a bit lower than we usually get because of melting point lowering. Temps can actually lower when melt gets underway in such a scenario. And this has likely been the reason the peripheral landmasses have been tardy with  ditching their snowcover more than the above normal depth. But now we is gonna see a dangerous solstice meltout of more than usual volume. Riverine fluxes peaking when insolation is maxing thereby spiking the temps of the water entering the ocean to unprecedented levels. Most likely a flash breakin of high temps from off the continents where heats been building behind the coastal snow barricade. Betcha the sudden proximity of steamy coastal marsh delta etc to salty high surface area salt slush will whip up prolific local thunderstorms and tornadoes even. Could be quite a show big humid convectin in a ring around the basin dumpin warm rain and viciously whipping up the seastate then descending dry in a big persistent baking sun cab high  thats flinging out the ice into the frontline destruction zone seems a plausible scenario.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: June 10, 2017, 04:29:45 PM »
foehn wind north of Greenland is producing 8 to 9 degree temperature is the from just above ground level to 1.5 km up. With above zero temperatures over near half of the CAB at this altitude and significant tpw and rh starting to get right into the centre of the basin, Atmospheric energy transport looks to really be ramping up and I suspect there is significant rainfall happening over parts of Greenland and Svalbard. And perhaps the caa.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/06/10/0900Z/wind/isobaric/850hPa/overlay=temp/winkel3=324.67,90.87,666/loc=-31.031,84.402

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Antarctica / Re: What's new in Antarctica ?
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:33:40 PM »
Folks. We have a new record 1062 Hecto-pascal's in Antarctica. And in close proximity we have two deep depressions with 942 hecto-pascal centres. Thats a 100 hpa dipole differential. About 1.4 pounds per square inch. The Antarctic polar cell is revving. And Ferrell's are grunting strongly too mr Hadley is looking tame. https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/06/10/0900Z/wind/isobaric/250hPa/overlay=mean_sea_level_pressure/winkel3=-189.41,-84.08,600/loc=93.006,-83.917

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Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: What's new in Greenland?
« on: May 31, 2017, 04:20:45 PM »
Dang! This "new mode of glacial acceleration" seems like the slushalanche effect I've been predicting from the spreading and thickening sub surface slushifer discovered in 2011. If this starts to be the new normal behaviour of glacial outflows in Greenland and WA we are looking at big trouble. If a big late summer weather system rains heavily over Greenland. say from a stuck planetary wave in the jets, and a big low in the fram vicinity lifting surfacing gulfstream heat and moisture, with a Greenland/ CAA high. its not difficult to imagine a whole lot going at once. Perhaps 40 days and nights of rain COULD cause abrubt slr.  :o

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Arctic sea ice / Re: What the Buoys are telling
« on: May 30, 2017, 10:23:48 PM »
I do think Algae growth under the floe is starting to melt it from below. antifreeze compounds etc.
Wish they had a webcam looking up.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: May 28, 2017, 07:41:06 PM »
Perhaps if they hybridise with arctic wolves and foxes we could get super poxes and woodles that would be a match for the hybrid grizzly polar super-bars

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The rest / Re: Human Stupidity (Human Mental Illness)
« on: May 28, 2017, 07:26:21 PM »
Guess its how you define mating benefits. Theres lots of studies showing women being more attracted to agresive behaviours and strongly masculine high testosterone features when fertile but the opposite the rest of the month.
And personally I think its probably the women more to blame for our predicament than the men. They are instinctively primed to be attracted to wealth that supports offspring. And generally too focused on nurturing only what is under their roof. And men tend to do only what they approve of. The divide and control game of foisting the nuclear family model and unnatural lifetime monogomy on us for the industrial devolution has had dire consequences.

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The rest / Re: Human Stupidity (Human Mental Illness)
« on: May 28, 2017, 11:43:23 AM »
The Chimpanzee story

There's two species here, separated by the river Congo. The Chimpanzee, and what used to be called bonobo chimps, now just bonobos.  Bonobos are more slender, walk more upright and are genetically closest of current apes to humans.
First the Chimps.
From the studies of primate society behavior, comparisons with corporate s, religions and politicians, all have the same social structures as humans.
The only difference being that the bigger the brains the more complex the games, we have the Chimp story:

Early in the day the junior males all go out into the jungle, to forage for food for the troop.
The Alpha male sleeps in late, then gets up and picks a trail, walks a little then he waits. Hes found a bush to hide behind, built a comfy nest, and lazes away the day in cozy bliss.
One of the junior monkeys has been clever, he's secured  a bunch of nice bananas, and doing this took quite some time. Those bananas were hanging out of reach of other chimps, but a creative chimp like him has found a way.
 Hes looked at the problem long and hard, and inspiration came, a long branch with forked end was found nearby.  Hes now got those bananas and is hurrying home, filled with pride and warm feelings,  anticipating sharing those bananas with the troop.
 When he comes around a corner, the Alpha leaps out and grabs him, drags him behind the bush and beats him to a pulp. Taking his bananas the Alpha strolls home to the troop, when he gets there he hoots look at what I've got. I've found these nice bananas, for everychimps enjoyment, and come enjoy the bounty all you lot.
 He hands out the bananas, but keeps a few for coming plot. When later junior limps in, all bloody, covered in snot, Mr Alpha makes a big and special show. Hooting in fake horror, he shows all the other chimps, what a caring sorta dude he really is.
 He makes soothing cooing noises, strokes juniors dishevelled fur, and says you poor chimp, whatever happened to you. Then he cracks a cheesy grin, staring junior in the eyes and says here, have a nice banana.
 The Betas of the troop, those syncophont primates, smirk and give each other knowing grins. Those Capos know whats up, they've had their breaking process, they know it made them the chimps they are today. They pay homage to the Alpha, congratulations for his guile, with deferential pats and hoots of pleasure.
The Capos ain't too dumb, but they try to look that way,  cause if the Alpha notices them being clever they'll be killed. Mr Alpha don't like smarties, they might knock him off his perch, and being on that perch is all he lives for.
The other junior primates, and the females of the troop, notice nothing at all of this nonsense. They want to think their leader noble, blind their ears and eyes to contrary evidence, and go on living quietly at their jobs.
Junior has a choice to make, one way is to be broken, have his empathy cross wired. He can learn to be a capo, enjoy pain and fear in others, and hate it when he see's them happy.
The other way is harder, he must be an outsider, learn to live as an Omega. These lonesome mystic chimps, spend life in isolation, perched in tallest trees and top of cliffs, they quietly meditate throughout their days.
 Excluded to the edge of troop boundries, they have the most important function, calling warnings to the troop as rival troops invade. They get no thanks for this, no food is shared with them, but about that they care not one little bit. Humble and strong of spirit, they know that when they need it, they don't need to search for food, it finds them.
We've learned that should you take away Omegas, unlike any other chimps, the troop dies from invasion and deceit.
The female chimpanzee troop members, live their lives in bondage, closely guarded by the Alpha and his capos. They're supposed to bonk only for procreation, and only with the psychos, those dominating Alpha and his Betas. But sometimes young ones slip away, find themselves an Omega, and perpetuate his genes for all chimps benefit.

This seems appropriate here:
Fear & Love
Morcheeba
We always have a choice
Or at least I think we do
We can always use
our voice
I thought this to be true
We can live in fear
Extend our selves to love
We can fall below
Or lift our selves above
Fear
 can stop you loving
Love
 can stop your fear
Fear
can stop you loving
But its not always that clear
I always try so hard
To share my self around
But now I'm closing up again
Drilling through the ground
Fear
 can stop you loving
Love
can stop your fear
Fear
can stop you loving
But its not always that
clear
I'd love to give my self away
But I find it hard to
trust
I've got no map to find my way
Amongst these clouds of
dust
Fear
 can stop you loving
Love
can stop your fear
Fear
can stop you loving
Love
can stop your fear
Fear
can stop you loving
Love
can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
But
it's not always that clear
But
it's not always that clear
But
it's not always that clear
But
it's not always that clear


The Bonobo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo story is much lighter, an exception in primate societies, other than the human story of pre-patriarchal cultures that ruled the world before the recent era, they :
The Bonobos don't form their hierarchies with violence, they do it with love.
They are all bisexual, and are the only species, other than the humans, on this planet that make love whether or not they are currently fertile.
Most of their social interactions involve sex. They use sex to say hello, goodbye, I'm the boss of you, and sorry for your loss.
"Sex functions in conflict appeasement, affection, social status, excitement, and stress reduction. It occurs in virtually all partner combinations and in a variety of positions. This is a factor in the lower levels of aggression seen in the bonobo when compared to the common chimpanzee and other apes." quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo
As far as their hierarchies go, all the females rank higher than any male, and if you're a male your rank - and breeding opportunities - are set by how much respect your mother has in the troupe.





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Science / Re: Early Anthropocene
« on: May 28, 2017, 11:36:09 AM »
Certainly it was not head binding. Though that is a common claim, stemming from the practice surviving culturally in some places from times when mothers wanted their kids to look like they were the offspring of these chaps. One that must have had its head bound in the womb below. ::)

And I wouldn't be too sure we are the first with Nuclear, Space technology etc. Cultures from China to the Americas, to Scandinavia talk of artificial suns in orbit around the earth and mars and moons of the giant planets. And throwing them at their enemies on the other side of the world. Engraving of them doing that attached also.

Heres some Flood stories attached. just a small sample.
I think the Welsh one sounds like a Agassiz Event: 8)

 The lake of Llion burst, flooding all lands. Dwyfan and Dwyfach escaped eastward in a mastless ship with pairs of every sort of living creature. They landed in Prydain (Britain) and repopulated the world. [Gaster, pp. 92-93]

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Science / Re: Early Anthropocene
« on: May 28, 2017, 09:40:21 AM »
I wouldn't be so sure that humans were not in the Americas in the last interglacial. Though perhaps not homo sap. These ones have up to 2 or 3 times as big a brain as us. Though its not just in the Americas that the conehead type is found. There is also the matter of raised garden type geoglyphs of very large scale in the Altiplano with glacial period sediment fans over them. Not to mention extensive submerged Megalithic structures in the Caribbean etc.

The Mitochondrial  DNA maps show a Ice age civilisation spanning the tropical Pacific. Not so the Y chromosome ones. The men tend to invade new territories while the women stay put.

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: May 28, 2017, 04:23:47 AM »
EEK!!

CERN Researchers Apologize For Destruction Of 5 Parallel Universes In Recent Experiment

GENEVA—Expressing deep regret over the catastrophic incident that occurred within the Large Hadron Collider, officials from the European Organization for Nuclear Research, also known as CERN, held a press conference Monday to apologize for the destruction of five parallel universes in a recent experiment. “We are sorry to report that in conducting research involving high-powered proton-proton collisions, we inadvertently caused the implosion of five universes nearly identical to our own,” said CERN Director-General Fabiola Gianotti, adding that billions of people worldwide might have experienced momentary vertigo around 9:45 a.m. as a result of several of their alternate identities being wiped from existence. “I’d like to emphasize that there is no need to worry, as we were able to contain the damage before our own time stream disintegrated into oblivion like the others. Furthermore, in order to perform an investigation, the LHC will be shut down for the remainder of the afternoon.” At press time, a team of CERN researchers in a parallel universe was preparing to perform the exact same experiment.


http://www.theonion.com/article/cern-researchers-apologize-destruction-5-parallel--55780

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: May 28, 2017, 03:20:22 AM »
But I am known for being a bit elfish.
 ;)

As the old Buddhist saying goes: There are only two mistakes that one can make on the path to enlightenment.  Not getting started and stopping before one reaches the final goal.

Good luck on your path; and may all beings be happy.

Is there a final goal? Some think its the white Aura state of whats referred to as nirvana,enlightenment,moksha..... Most people who attain it get seduced by the, admittedly extremely pleasant experience of constant serendipity and serenity. Fall into the ego trap and turn to the Dark side of the force as it were. The long dark night of the soul/death of ego/ great unselfing is a real bitch of an experience and few get through that. Worth it though. You don't have much free will in the white aura state. sort of a surrender of your capacity as a change agent. How many levels that its possible to ascend while wearing a Earthly fleshbag is a big question.
Jainist version of the multiverse:



 Personally I think that its a matter of reaching a level of understanding of wider cultural and physical processes at different scales of the single fractal universal pandimensional wavefunction. which It looks very much like it might be:

https://scitechdaily.com/reinterpretation-cold-dark-matter-bose-einstein-condensate/

The Don Hotson Papers I've attached are an interesting read that the Bose-Einstein condensate hypothesis supports. His development of the Dirac Sea hypothesis.


    With our concept-making apparatus called "the brain" we look at reality through the ideas-about-reality which our cultures give us. The ideas-about-reality are mistakenly labeled "reality" and unenlightened people are forever perplexed by the fact that other people, especially other cultures, see "reality" differently.

    It is only the ideas-about-reality which differ. Real (capital-T) True reality is a level deeper than is the level of concept. We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The order is in the grid. That is the Aneristic Principle.

    Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be true. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.

    Disorder is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the Eristic Principle.

    The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the Eristic Illusion.
    The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that (capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered.
    — Malaclypse the Younger, Principia Discordia, pages 00049–00050


Dalton Millers interferometer  work also scorched Einsteins theorys with proof of an ether, though not a rigid universal one but one that is entrained by matter. And lets just say that many have experienced the effects that our conscious will can have in warping the fabric of space time we are embedded in.

May all beings be happy? Nice thought. but in the words of talking heads:
"Heaven, is a place, where nothing ever happens!" And the wouldn't be much to learn from that.
Jainists and Most other wisdoms reckon such a time is not near yet anyway:



 
the Dragons/serpents eating each others tails of the Orobouros, Yin/ yang... all symbolise opposing forces in tension. As with the Sacred Chao of Discordianism:



That Greyface chap has a lot to answer for
Discordian Wiki

In YOLD 0, a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted the ways of Serious Order. "Look at all the order around you," he said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality was a straightjacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known it.

It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the disorder around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway, Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.

The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.
To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.
The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.

POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable. 

The Ultimate Guide to Freedom Attached is nice and accessible and makes a pleasant read. 8)


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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:41:59 AM »
Its a buddhist Koan. It means follow your own path. Any teachers path leads only to their ultimate self not yours.

In Discordianism we say let your Karma run over your Dogma. Please don't ever take me too seriously. I almost never deliberately set out to cause offence. But I am known for being a bit elfish.
 ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism


The Principia Discordia, if read literally, encourages the worship of Eris, a.k.a. Discordia, the Goddess of chaos, or archetypes and or ideals associated with her. The Principia Discordia holds three core principles: the Aneristic Principle (order), the Eristic Principle (disorder) and the notion that both are mere illusions. It is only by rejecting these principles that you can truly perceive reality.

It is difficult to estimate the number of Discordians because they are not required to hold Discordianism as their only belief system,[3] and because there is an encouragement to form schisms and cabals.[4][5]

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Siberian Arctic coast
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:32:35 AM »
Seriously. This is what the coastline, and the seafloor looks like all around that area. If its "less than ten metres deep then there is bound to be all sorts of pingos, domes caused by dissociating clathrates, rubble from eruption of said domes and the keels of old thick bergs traveling through.
 
But of course there very might well be 10m deep chunks of old multiyear ice embedded in that floe too. Or the keels of pressure ridges from its multiple crush and assemble process this winter too.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: What the Buoys are telling
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:17:24 AM »
The latest 6 days or so available of the B 2017A temperature profiles. I am showing the non-filtered data (red dashed line) and the filtered data. The result of filtering is that some spatial wiggling is removed, but also that the profiles take a 24h-averaged temperature approximately.

I think this daily-averaged temperature, for the thermistors not covered by ice or snow, is skewed to higher values frequently and I don't find another explanation that they are heated by sun or by the buoy material being heated by sun...

Is that slow slow rising at the ice water interface indicative of bottom melt?

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 27, 2017, 12:11:53 AM »
What was the volume lost by Lake Agassiz during discharge?

From what I've read in the past on the Agassiz discharges it was not one but something in the region of 25 to 100 separate events.
However. I have to wonder if the subglacial lakeburst explanation is the whole story in the light of the finding in 2011 that some 1/3 of the Greenland icecap contained a shallow "slush-aquifer" of estimated then around 70000 cubic km of water from surface melt soaking down, not refreezing but sitting in a subsurface slush layer at high altitude, from a few meters to 100m below the surface. No doubt this volume has increased substantially. I definitely consider it plausible that some earthquake, or a crossing of a threshold of liquid content or temperature could cause massive quantities of this slushifer to suddenly drain in thousands of cubic km "slushalanches". And this could cause a cascade effect of sudden isostatic adjustments producing large quakes and subglacial vulcanism.
The fact that the slushifer phenomena was a complete surprise to glacial science when it was discovered just 6 years ago likely has not given anywhere near enough time for science to reassess its assumptions regarding the Agassiz hypothesis.

if the keel of Greenlands main deep basaltic dyke connection is Iceland, the hydraulic pressure release of the 70000 cubic km estimated in 2011, could cause a hydraulic near instant subsidence of 350m of Iceland by the Calcs I did three years ago.  :(

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Antarctica / Re: What's new in Antarctica ?
« on: May 26, 2017, 02:25:07 PM »
GADZOOKS!

 :o

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The rest / Re: Systemic Isolation
« on: May 26, 2017, 02:08:51 PM »
Gosh ASLR!   8) Impressed by the quantum metaphysical rarified air in which you are soaring.
May I ask. Have you ever transcended time and space?  ;) Such a fascinating multiverse we live in innit?
I like Jainism for its clear description of the progression of the soul through increasing number of dimensions. Earning our 4th dimensional wings by proving we can be responsible in our understanding and application of cause and effect in the sandpit level matrix these earthchild fleshbags are currently chained to. Learn to share your toys kids! Can't go letting those addicted to Zero or especially negative sum games lose in time, that would be capital T truble. I do like Discordianism. Bit of a natural Phool, me I'm afraid. Can be a rough ride at times when you find you've accidentally planted a bunch of Ju-Ju seeds. The free will thing heres a conundrum. Most would prefer not to believe that this is a fake reality we are living in and most are slaves being used just like batteries to feed extra-dimensional entities with psychic energy. So things like warping time and stepping into localised bubbles of parallel timestream is something you'd be violating their right to free will if you were allowed to put proof on the table. Helps to keep me sane (almost anyway ::) ) to feel reasonably sure that in the fifth dimension of possible futures the Hyperversal consciousness probably plays out all outcomes that theres something interesting to learn from. And so the Oceans won't get shortly boiled in some versions at least.
You seem very attached to buddhisim. Don't they say "if you meet the Buddha in your path, then kill him!" (following anothers path leads not to the all, but to him.) I like these quotes from the Hagakure:

"There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man's whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will be nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue." -Hagakure

"It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." -Hagakure

"It is said that what is called the Spirit of an Age is something to which one cannot return. That this spirit gradually dissipates is due to the world's coming to an end. In the same way, a single year does not have just spring or summer. A single day, too, is the same. For this reason, although one would like to change today's world back to the spirit of one hundred years or more ago, it cannot be done. Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation. "

Yamamoto Tsunetomo
the Hagakure (Hidden behind the Leaves).

 Bit tired right now. Hellova day. these ape-souls can be revolting. Keep up the good work!

Couple of pics you might enjoy:

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Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: What's new in Greenland?
« on: May 26, 2017, 12:22:47 PM »


Certainly some spectacular igneous pancaking in the Geike Area.



This seems to be the Skaergaard intrusion some 55 million years ago. Possibly ASSOCIATED with the PETM.
Wikipedia:
The Skaergaard intrusion is a layered igneous intrusion in the Kangerlussuaq area, East Greenland. It comprises various rock types including gabbro, ferro diorite, anorthosite and granophyre.

Discovered by Lawrence Wager[1] in 1931 during the British Arctic Air Route Expedition led by Gino Watkins, the intrusion has been important to the development of key concepts in igneous petrology, including magma differentiation and fractional crystallisation[2][3] and the development of layering.[4][5] The Skaergaard intrusion formed when tholeiitic magma was emplaced about 55 million years ago,[6] during the initial opening of the North Atlantic Ocean. The body represents essentially a single pulse of magma, which crystallized from the bottom upward and the top downward. The intrusion is characterized by exceptionally well-developed cumulate layering defined by variations in the abundance of crystallizing olivine, pyroxene, plagioclase and magnetite.

The Skaergaard is perhaps the simplest and smallest of a group of gabbroic complexes of similar age that occur along the central coast of East Greenland, which together with coeval flood basalts are part of the North Atlantic large igneous province.


I say associated because looking at the some 50ma glaciated alternating with some 100ma hothouse approximate periodicity of the last about 500ma. These Large Igneouse events seem very much clustered in the transition of meltdown. Quite plausibly causation is the deglaciation. rather than the result. Or more precisely a cyclic melt loading and unloading process causing the repeated addition of sills. Both under the ice sheets during mass loss cycles. And at distances where the super heated fluid basalt emerges through deep dyke conduits from the glaciated continent keels as hot spots or super-swells. Or from rift zones to allow spreading  when the rebuilding of icecaps as ice mass starts to destabilize and oscillate.

Heres a list from wikipedia. And a picture of the Longest seamount chain in the world left by the hotspot thats thought to have caused the biggest eruption we know of. The Ontong-Java event. The Louisville hotspot probably connects with central West Antarctica. And whats left of WAs bum is the Hikurangi,  Manihiki, Ontong Java Plateaus, and Sth Pacific Superswells. Whether Greenlands bum is going to keep feeding Iceland, or Nth Canada and Iceland feed Greenlands bum in the near future, who can say.




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All predictions are stabs in the dark. The extremely complex system of geobioatmophysic feedback dynamics we enjoy, is well beyond our current level of scientific understanding. Due to no precedents, for tens of millions of years at least, of such explosively growing greenhouse burden added to cataclysmic biosphere degradation as we have tested this system with, we can expect no less than emphatic and unpleasant rebound behaviour. Though in saying that, I should point out that the chronological period for the response is, from what we do know, anything from days to megayears.
At present however. Large effects are in the house. FE. the meeting of warm salty tropical waters and fresher arctic is no longer a extra arctic basin phenomena. This is now a prime driver of AMOC. as the interface is well established beyond the edge of the continental shelf now, and certainly of far larger and growing length, frictional forces of cooled deep return currents on the shelfs are gone. but  the cooling of high salinity atlantic incoming waters enhanced along the extended front. Creating a subduction sheetcurrent thousands of km long that is only enhanced by extreme weather and other perturbations. And thus we are stuck now with seemingly unavoidable NAD acceleration and consequences for what future is pertinent to the lifespan of the flesh bags we inhabit.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 15, 2017, 10:30:22 AM »
Silly Lad!  Common misconception that overpopulation is the problem.

When you take a honest rational look. The worlds richest 50 people own 50% of the resources and are responsible for over 90% of the environmental destruction. The poorest 50% of the worlds population have a net positive effect on the Biodiversity and total Biomass around them. As do any species acting as a responsible member of Gaia's community of species.

If you want to cull population. 50 individuals is plenty. The world actually needs a lot more POOR people if we gonna save it.

Hopefully Trumps wall will be built in time for it to trap the rich under a new ice sheet. We don't want them to get to mexico and ruin the interspecies ecological harmony there and further south.


With respect Hyperion, this comment is nonsense.  Even readers of the Stupid Questions topic deserve better.  Can you offer any rational support for the assertions above (bold added), all of which register as false.

Creativity and technology, driven by wealth, power, and possibly greed on one hand.  7 or 70 billion subsistence farmers on the other hand.  Which one portends a better outcome?

Here's an interesting look at how the 'poor' people of Easter Island may have managed their ecology.  No such alternate views afaik for how the Anasazi used up their critical Juniper supply, and other ecological disasters of pre-modern societies as detailed in the referenced Jared Diamond book.

http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2013/12/09/249728994/what-happened-on-easter-island-a-new-even-scarier-scenario

What happened on easter island is well known. The Island was a lush subtropical food forest in the mid 1700s. Then the invading cultural group known as the "short ears", an invasion originating in mongolia, burnt it to the ground in the process of exterminating the " long ears" the megalithic culture. Tall red haired green eyed chaps. Same thing happened in New Zealand.
If you want an example of large scale results from intelligent gardening by dense populations. Look at the Amazon. Lined by cities of fifty plus thousand people. Until the European explorers decimated the Americas with disease in the early 1500s. Consider also those highly intelligent oceanic farmers the whales. Their loss has reduced the life in Antarctic waters alone by 90%. And without their migratory fertiliser spreading, and the return of nutrients to the surface by toothed whales. Probably 90% of the life in the rest of the oceans too. "Subsistence farming" is a derogatory slur. The rise of monocultural factory farming has turned 90% of terrestrial life into co2. From 1000 tons per hectare to ten. Its ecocide. And boots on the ground are needed to fix it.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Glossary ... for newbies and others
« on: May 14, 2017, 08:50:58 PM »
For more terms you can refer to NSIDC's Glossary. Or peruse the Global Croysphere ???
::)

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 13, 2017, 11:48:48 PM »

Lately I've been thinking that the best way to avoid cataclysmic global warming would be to cull a majority of the human population.

Now, the best way to do that would be a nuclear war.

Maybe Trump does care about Global Warming after all!
And that, is what we used to call, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Silly Lad!  Common misconception that overpopulation is the problem.

When you take a honest rational look. The worlds richest 50 people own 50% of the resources and are responsible for over 90% of the environmental destruction. The poorest 50% of the worlds population have a net positive effect on the Biodiversity and total Biomass around them. As do any species acting as a responsible member of Gaia's community of species.

If you want to cull population. 50 individuals is plenty. The world actually needs a lot more POOR people if we gonna save it.

Hopefully Trumps wall will be built in time for it to trap the rich under a new ice sheet. We don't want them to get to mexico and ruin the interspecies ecological harmony there and further south.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 12, 2017, 02:20:29 AM »
An attempt to track the incoming atmospheric moisture and energy transport in the Pacific quadrant by animating 36hrs to date while climbing through the altitude layers.
- We see the sea level pressure and surface level winds to start.
 - Then climb up through 1000,850,700,500,250 in three hour increments, with relative humidity and wind.
- Then close with only winds at 250 and 70 hpa 12 and 18km altitudes to better observe the interconnection of wind flows across the historic tropopause.
- And a couple of temperature at 70hpa, showing that the hottest place in the world is the nth pole, and the warmest the equator. The molecules up there are moving pretty fast compared to the ones you are breathing. Lots of downwelling longwave.

pity it seems too big. trying edited down version...
nope. Ok smaller. With MSLP and temps at 18km separate.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 10, 2017, 07:51:58 PM »
Algal growth on and in underside of floes is a very large effect that will very likely kick like a mule this year. They bloom and grow through the porous ice when its under 2.5m and in adition to absorbing more heat through albedo their metabolic heat and antifreeze compounds they produce can cause bottom melt at -10c air temps. The fragmented pack and mobility will have given them a big head start. May be  significantly more nutrient spread into the cab too.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 09, 2017, 10:23:33 PM »
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/04/07/0000Z/wind/isobaric/10hPa/overlay=total_precipitable_water/stereographic=49.67,76.71,198/loc=-19.495,63.053

....Folks. Full tropospheric mixing is in the house. .


Also, looking down at the Pole at the 10 hpa level a large hexagonal shaped pattern is forming. Is that something to concerned about?
Man. The infinite hypothesis theorem is in control. The more you know the more you know you don't know. At 10hpa we have a solidly established pattern for several months now of a spiral of air peeling back off the faster than planetry rotation equatorial belt and spiraling into the nth pole where it it descendes to fuel these uberpressure high pressure systems that keep emerging. But there is a tendancy towards increasing complexity. And reducing relative humidity at equatorial lattitudes and increasing polar in recent years. And that potentiates accelerated polar gw amplification.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 09, 2017, 07:49:15 PM »
The 250hpa jet activity has been looking interesting to put it mildly. There's a mutant wave 8ish. Tangled from Pole to pole with about fifty mixing vortexes embedded like the knots in Birdseye maple.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/overlay=off/patterson=-119.27,0.42,105/loc=-92.752,-10.117
 Folks. Full tropospheric mixing is in the house. We've even had cyclone Donna team up with the seas of New Calidonia and Columbia to put 100% humidity over Greenland at 6 to twelve km altitude. And the stratosphere is looking interesting with several weather systems extending to over 20 km altitude, eg low in the nth Atlantic.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Fram Export
« on: May 07, 2017, 03:52:19 AM »
If I am reading the model chart you linked correctly it is showing salinity in the Beaufort at 5 meters between 32 and 34.7  The 50 meter chart also seems far too saline.
This is again a case of choosing between a well tested and calibrated data base built with years of temperature and salinity readings from buoys and a model based upon I do not know what.

ps  This should be posted on another thread because Fram Export isn't where it belongs.

Agreed Bruce. My experience of Austrians is if you suggest anything outside the neat boxes they are packaging everything in, a glazed look, stare into space, and "THIS IS NOT CORRECT!" response ensues  ::) . So bottom up reduction-ism is the order of the day. A holistic systems approach might deserve its own thread also.  ;)



https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2021.0.html

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This is known to be of utmost importance. If the lower salinity lens on the surface is mixed away or exported, then there is much too much thermal energy in the Atlantic and Pacific warmer, saltier layers beneath for the central Arctic Basin to refreeze in winter. Data is scarce due to only one drift buoy still active this year.

Woods ITP97 has for nearly 500 days been transiting from near Bering towards the CAA across some of the deepest parts of the basin.



The Temperature and Salinity plots show some interesting incontinuities that seem to suggest to me areas of surface/depth mixing, where the Halocline has ruptured.



Perhaps even better illustrated by the Dissolved Oxygen plot.



The Copernicus salinity models are obviously not as fine a resolution as what the Buoys are measuring. The 5m Salinity fronts actually do not appear to have changed much 2012-2017. But the Thickness of the surface mixed zone appears to be increasing throughout the basin.
hope these animate if you click them. 1 colour bar is 25m on the Thickness plot so we have the CAB gone from less than 25m surface mixed layer to up around 75m in five years it seems:



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Arctic sea ice / Re: Fram Export
« on: May 05, 2017, 11:38:51 PM »
Gosh. Thanks for hauling this up Romett. That salinity product is interesting. Seems the halocline has advanced significantly in 11 months. Well past the continental shelf edge at 5m depth. Almost to Bering strait at 50m. That long front where its flaming the ice will be cooling the incoming salty stuff. Subducting it. Imho this could be accelerating the amoc and setting up big incoming current momentum. Preparing it to flood the whole basin come sept. The Halocline looks in serious danger.


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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 05, 2017, 07:44:59 PM »
<snip; Enough too long comments about CH4, Hadley cells and Sahara. Think about the other readers, please, and go to the appropriate threads; N.>

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: May 05, 2017, 07:09:24 PM »
Looks like a fog bank. Is it disintegrating on that side and producing fog as the melting rubble cools the air? Lets keep an eye on it.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Latest PIOMAS update (May)
« on: May 05, 2017, 04:35:06 PM »
I am curious as gk whether these export figures include stuff melting along the extensive Atlantic front. Not technically "exported" but killed before exiting the basin. This seems high this year.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: May 05, 2017, 04:27:53 PM »
I think he means wide.  ::) if its 25m thick its a dang big piece of shelf. Not good either.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 05, 2017, 04:22:54 PM »
Just to clarify the dynamics of esas and other shelf methane releases in the arctic while we are going there. Release to air is maximum in Autumn and winter because oxygen levels in the water become depleted. The prolific Algae blooms produce enough to break a lot of it down late spring and summer before riverine doc influx and die offs of biota combine in Autumn along with the methane to deplete dissolved oxygen again. These fluxes do not have to rise much at all for the whole basin to anoxify within a couple of decades and this to start spreading to nth Atlantic and pacific. The majority of esas release is happening over 1000 km offshore all along the deep end of the slope and is poorly quantified. Shaks could not get either permission or funding to get out there in her earlier studies. So they were mainly on the inshore hotspots eg lena delta where warm river water and extensive submerged thermokarst lake fields have uncorked the beast. Noone should pay attention to fossil funded slowists like Archer. His infinate unperforated slab layercake one dimensional thermal conduction analysis is infamous as an absurdity of unreality and misdirection. That beast is dangerous.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 04, 2017, 10:27:16 PM »
Not sure which thread to post this in, but is this unusual? Is it relevant to Arctic?
Today's jet stream:
https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGcoh39ZKjSAlIju/giphy.gif




(from: https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-62.81,40.95,555 )
Unusual? Seems less and less so all the time. That equatorial east to west flow is symptomatic of strong pile to equator flows at high altitude. What seems to be happening of late is big low level flows going from one hemisphere to another. A few weeks ago when cyclone cook was in the house the big high in th arctic coupled up and from Alaska to Antarctica the whole Pacific basin lower level airmass got drawn. Some seemed to return at the top of the troposphere, but massive deep southern ocean lows seem to be punching a hole in the roof of the night and returning it via the stratosphere. Generating a massive trade winds belt at 10 hpa 30+ km altitude. The flows reversed about a week ago with up to 1056hpa in a massive high over Antarctica and low pressure predominant in the Arctic. Now with a few cyclones popping up in the sth pacific and pressure buildin Gain in the arctic the pendulum appears to be swinging. With the absolute ratsnest the jets have become perhaps we shouldnt be surprised that cyclones at 20 degrees sthe like the central pacific one get captured by mr ferell so quickly as a jet flow whips up and arond them from the pole. Making them into the dreaded hybrids. Still feeding on tropic moisture dragged in at low level. And polar cold. But I am mouth wide open a this active planetry dual hemisphere single cell pan-atmospheric single cell behaviour. If this becomes more usual my questions are... Will it prove to be an oscillation sloshing one way and the other on a period of a couple of weeks as lately or some other. Potentially setting up big ocean pumping. Or be predominant as a seasonal flow from one hemisphere pole to the other. Sharing heat from the summer with the pole in  the dark. https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/overlay=temp/winkel3=-166.96,15.64,226/loc=-162.898,-8.084     


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Last year. The Arctic may have made more ice than any year in the past few decades this winter. And it obviously has exported more. Vicious cycle of latent heat release, exporting cold that might have otherwise been chilling a shrinking surface layer.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 02, 2017, 06:33:36 PM »
Hey Hyperion. Don't you mean pedantic? ;)

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 02, 2017, 06:31:31 PM »
That and it has more total exposed surface area for heat to attack it.

No.

To see why, try the following calculation.  The Earthwatch MODIS data source has a resolution of 250m, and so the smallest detectable ice floe from this data source is around that size.

Please estimate for me the total exposed surface area for a 250m x 250m floe. Let's assume it's thick first year ice of ~2m average thickness. Then, identify what proportion of the total surface areas is:

1)  Top face (exposed to Sun)
2)  Bottom face (exposed to water)
3)  Side faces (exposed to a mix of both)

Fragmentation is not relevant to the total exposed surface area of sea ice until the floes are too small to be seen by MODIS. The dynamics we so avidly watch - whether fragmented or not - do not appreciably alter the total surface area of the ice.


Just to be clear, fragmentation does increase the surface area, but because height(1-2m) is so small relative to length and width (thousands of kilometers) the increase in surface area is extremely small for all but the smallest floes.

That is not to say that fragmented ice behaves the same as solid ice, specially regarding waves. Smaller floes are more susceptible to waves and currents.
Yes as I draw attention to in the last animation I posted. Of the laptev. As soon as the pack loosened and jostled a little all the floes quickly lost their corners and rounded off. The debris from this may be too small to see but it is definately increazing melt surface. And It may be paedantic to risk another round of chants about the holy melting enthalpy figures but if litre of salty ice took the same energy to melt as a litre of fresh blue it would melt at zero C. And perhaps more important is that the water temp of the surface layer need not rise for it to melt. And Any briny slime exlosed to the air will take up energy and trnsfer it more effectively into the floe. I also stand by my assertion that wind assisted sublimation can hold temperatures well below zero in the central basin. And salty ice a little below in the periphery. But this does NOT mean melt is not occuring. It means it is. Some of these may only be a percentage point or two. But to be Significant one percent now could be the momentum that makes the difference between 2.5 and blue ocean.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The Fast Transition
« on: April 30, 2017, 04:09:11 PM »
There was a paper linked and a very good graphic of the latest and best atmospheric modelling, back in January I think, perhaps on the freezing season thread, that showed the different atmospheric mechanisms and one scenario, possible even this year - a couple of months Ice free in summer they predicted Atmospheric heat transport to be ten times what we are used to, if memory serves. What it might get to if there is a full blown cyclone canon as Hansen suggests existed at the end of the last interglacial, that produced regular 60+m swells crossing the Atlantic to the Bahamas.

Doing a few numbers on the effect on water heat transport of the atmosphere dynamics we are seeing right now suggests that might be capable of being highly significant in increasing heat input and cold extraction also.

Eg/ I suggested on the melting season thread last week that the Average basin seal level pressure may have dropped by some 20hpa in less than a week causing an average rise in basin sea level of around 20cm. That equates to 2800 cubic km of water incoming from the Pacific and Atlantic.
For this to happen in four days say:
2800 billion cubic m / 96hrs =29166666667 cubic m / hr
/ 3600 seconds per hr = 8.1 million cubic metres per second = 8.1 sverdrups

the AMOC is supposed to be around 15 sverdrups at present.

We saw a big inrush at that time through Bering Strait, but the channel cross sectional area through there is about 40km wide x 0.03 km deep = 1.2 square km = 1.2 million sqm

So for 8.1 million cubic km to have passed through there it would have had to have flowed at 8.1 million/ 1.2m = 6.75 m/s = 24kmph.

clearly it wasn't. And there was persistent high winds sending water and ice out the Atlantic exits at the time also. So quite on the cards that at depth (limited by the Europe-Faroe-Iceland-Greenland rise to not more than 500m depth of course, so warm Atlantic tidal mixed zone water, not bottom water) there was big incoming flows from the Atlantic, and the total inflow could well have been similar in volume to the AMOC, as it was replacing not just the 20cm but the windblown surface outflow additionally.

Now at present in Antarctica we have a high of over 1050hpa in the interior, and nearby large depressions with 940 hpa pressure.
If a scenario should develop with oscillation between basin pressures like those, and VERY powerful winds occurring also, as a result of over 20 C water temperatures flooding into the Basin, and Greenland and large melt-pool in the Nth Atlantic adjacent. Perhaps pressure changes of five times what we are currently seeing, or more, on the time scale of a few days, and very big storm surges, could set up a pumping mechanism with hot in and cold out ocean current transportation capability in the order of 10x what we are used to.  :o :P

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 30, 2017, 03:28:45 PM »
Thanks for pointing out my mistake in the nomenclature Andreas. Not many bergs or floes here in NZ. We may be fresh faced plebs from the colonies here in NZ but I'd hate to be thought as a "berger".
 We did have some giant Bergs visit about ten years ago. Larsen remnants I believe they were believed to be. They actually helicoptered Shrek the rogue merino ram out to be shorn of his ten year 12kg fleece on one as a publicity stunt, would you believe.

Are you sure that the roughness factor is not significant? The constant mobility, pulverisation, slushy mixing in magnitudes more lead area thats been going on all winter suggests to me that a lot of it is barely solid or frozen, loosely bound, waxy rubble, only weeks old. Perhaps more akin to a slushy that's been half-melted, drained, then refrozen. I guess surface area aside, the energy per volume required to melt it is a question.
 I suppose that the question could be answered by getting some sea water, freezing it with some partial thaw, mix and and drain cycles at intervals, and comparing melt energy with a sample prepared by undisturbed deep freeze.

Have plenty of seawater myself but no freezer. Refuse to part with any of the solar electrickeries I net for that. Tri-generation system with wind powered refrigeration pumps and a heavy brine cold store, solar thermal heavy brine hot store, with organic Kalina cycle turbine is on the ship to do list and most of the parts and materials are aboard, but there are other priorities right now.

Thanks Jim.  ;D I assumed it was my use of the Suomi imageset on worldview, not the Gods treating us to a snapshot of a parallel time-stream in the multiverse. ;D

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 30, 2017, 05:56:32 AM »
Funny thing with your animation Romitt, is that that berg disintergrating did not show on my worldview animations of the same days on the last page. Mysterious. Even more so its still there on the 29th imagery today when I check worldview. Below.

Heres a crack at cheeting the 700px wide rule by turning laptev 21-29 on its side. I am sick of the fiddly biz of selecting and cropping exact frames out of each image to get the best image.

Yep. that worked but you gotta click it. And zoom in with your browzer. (mine anyway)

Some speculation....
even assuming the ice density figures are correct and the free-board estimates calculate the volume are therefore near accurate and Piomass etc are not over-estimating Ice thickness due to that factor. Isn't the extreme youth and lack of deep freeze seasoning with the big FDD anomaly going to mean that a significant fraction of the berg volume is actually brine, and the percentage of crystalline ice lower than usual? Could this mean less ice to melt essentially? And perhaps it would melt at a lower temp than usual, delaying the onset of initial melt advance a little, until suddenly ... FWOOSH! it all goes very quick?

The way the bergs in the laptev animation quickly round off all their corners with a little jostling is suggestive they are very structurally unsound.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 30, 2017, 05:45:54 AM »
I know it's only a small part of the Arctic involved :) , but North of 80'N temperatures are nearly normal ! 

IMHO that is a sign of the melt process beginning in earnest everywhere the winds approaching the area are coming from. And the porosity of the ice and above normal snow, ice crystals in the air, making for more surface area for the moving air to get at than ever before.
The sublimation and melt and evaporation are sucking the heat out of the air before it gets to the 80+ Nth area?

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 29, 2017, 03:41:45 AM »
 Three Animations for the eight days 21 april to 28th.

The Beaufort butter-churn,

The Chukchi Icecream maker,

And the East Siberian Sea Berg-Grinder.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 26, 2017, 07:24:58 AM »
Bering Strait is like washing machine, Apr 22 - Apr 24, Worldview.
Yes. Absolutely.
I noticed last night the motion of the bergs there had re ersed on suomi 24th imge compared to 23rd. It appears to have gone into flush mode again. Motion is still westward on the coast near wrangel. I wish someone with the image analysis tools and skills like Ateam could graph the mean basin sea level atmospheric pressure so we can map the correlation with the current behaviour. The wind in the Atlantic Quadrant has ceased its pernicious outward surge Assistance and a tidal back wash wave is probably capable of traversing the span to Bering in 6-8 hours. I'll try and research that later. The admiral is on a shore excursion at present to purchase equipment an vitals and only has hiz phone for egossipin.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:41:31 AM »
A year on year look at the Beaufort. Far less cracks. Give it time though I suppose.




How Strange. I guess everyone's eyes are different, and its often easy to see what you want to see. But when I look at these comparisons I see significantly more cracks than 2016. And of course the results of a strong four day compaction event that's just occurred. I hope it doesn't mean I want to see everything crack up. ::)

Yes but the area of open water was completely crazy. This year it looks more normal and its been really cold.
"Give it time", well indeed according to the forecasts a high over Beaufort is back on day 4 from today and somehow warmer temps too. First weeks of May we see what happens with the cracks. They look really solid now!

Methinks there's circumstantial illusions created by a chrono-illogical snapshot. The shadow effect NW of the big Bergs and off the coast exaggerates the appearance of open water in the 2016 shot. Obviously due to a strong offshore DISPERSAL and polynia creation event with warm incoming air for a number of days coming in off Canada. This cherry pick of an inverse snapshot appears to show a crunch where all the fragments and slush are shoved first along the fringe of the CAA, then rammed into the armpit of the Alaskan/Canada border, the CAA catching like a strainer, and the persistent freezing winds off the Pole and CAA for the period, No doubt with wind blown snow to dust on top of the slush assisting, creating a greasy slick of Nilas.
 If you have a lot of slush and rubble dispersed well in the gaps between the bergs, like this year. Then refreeze in the cracks is obviously easier. But if a slight increase in contrast and simultaneous downward tweak of brightness takes most of the stuff between the large chunks out of those images, as I confess I did above, I doubt there's much insolation difference between the grease and the open water of last year.

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