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Thanks, SMN, that's interesting.

I don't believe there can be a universal basic income, unless Zuckerberg's income and wealth is capped. Would he agree to that? I wish I could ask him. 'Mark, how much is enough?'

Although  I agree with your idea of a cap on total wealth, there are some worthwhile projects that billionaires make possible to happen.  So perhaps personal wealth should be judged separately from "foundation" wealth.  Perhaps above a certain amount, redistribution of wealth could be directed to something other than "everyone else."  I guess there would have to be some sort of oversight board to assure such projects are beneficial and not harmful.

Absolutely, you can't just take away money from the megarich and then let it get wasted in some form of bureaucracy. In fact, I believe you would somehow have to convince the megarich that their wealth needs to be capped if they don't want to destroy everything, everyone and themselves. For that you'd have to be able to present good ideas on what happens with the money, and how.

Perhaps some sort of referendum, with the megawealthy getting something like a superdelegate vote.

I don't know, I'm still thinking a lot about the idea.

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: May 26, 2017, 10:33:40 AM »
Which is a good argument for maintaining civil behavior, rather than given the middle finger to everyone, including those who care about climate change and 'overshoot'.

I don't think that middle finger was aimed at those who care for such things (for most people), except if they identify with the establishment/elites/oligarchs/0.1%. But why would anyone want to identify with the richest of rich?

Let's put a cap on wealth, so we at least don't have to worry about being played by a dependent media from all sides.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 26, 2017, 09:30:22 AM »
But being in "dire straights" would not make any sense, and one could wonder about the demeanour and sexual preferences of the members of a band called "The Dire Straights" ...

Especially if you know that they also like to call themselves the Sultans of Swing, Brothers in Arms who like to go down Telegraph Road towards the Tunnel of Love. ;-)

But to answer your question: It's not an americanism, but a simple spelling mistake. You also often see it with extent/extend and effect/affect.

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: May 26, 2017, 08:38:35 AM »
Don't worry, he'll do everything he can to make it interesting for himself (inflating his ego even more), keeping the cameras rolling and the ratings soaring. I'm sure the media actually love him. MSNBC and Rachel Maddow are breaking all kinds of records. They never would have if Sanders or even Clinton had become president.

And don't forget that Trump is going to get massively rich off of this (especially if he wasn't as rich as he claims). It's a US presidential tradition.

If nothing comes off the Russiagate stuff, which would be a massive and embarrassing fail, even worse than Clinton's candidacy and campaign, he could even get a second term. But that would also depend on the economy, which seems to be very open to bubbles again. But most of all it depends on the groundswell of grassroots activism that will hopefully result in an overtake of the Democratic Party or the founding of a new party.

Trump could be the catharsis that the USA needs. That's the silver lining I see from a European perspective (heavily influenced by US culture, as the whole world is).

Thanks, SMN, that's interesting.

I don't believe there can be a universal basic income, unless Zuckerberg's income and wealth is capped. Would he agree to that? I wish I could ask him. 'Mark, how much is enough?'

The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« on: May 26, 2017, 12:09:10 AM »
I personally think that perceptions in the US, in a large part created by mainstream media, influence the way European media reports, and this then shapes the opinions of most people. People who lean left, are appalled that such a coarse and obvious liar can become the president of the biggest superpower in the world. People who lean more to the right, are more accepting because they've lost faith in the establishment with all its political correct policies, but do see that he's a clown.

Personally I don't care about personality, I care more about what people do and how they defend that. I'd rather have a coarse pig than a hypocrite with a pretty face and pretty words. Unfortunately Trump is a hypocrite to boot.

I don't agree that it's the fault of voters that he's in power. It's because the elites don't offer them anything better, and people decided not to settle for a hypocrite again, but to form a massive middle finger.

Meanwhile, on the other side (Secular Talk video):

Bernie Delegate Wins New York Election In Trump District!

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Here's some more on the California stuff from The Real News Network:

Nina Turner on Bitter Fight in California Democratic Party
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There are a couple of Jimmy Dore Show videos I could post (one on Feinstein, for instance, who I'm sure did wonderful things in the past, but now is a corporate stooge), but here's one on the California Democratic Party where a new (allegedly Corporate Democrat) chairman was 'voted' into office, despite progressives electing a majority of delegates a couple of months ago.

CA Dem Party Tells Progressives “Shut The F*ck Up"

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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 25, 2017, 04:16:11 PM »
If Nares does not block up, what happens?

Hard for me to imagine the Nares blocking up with GFS now calling for the next 5 days of significant winds occurring there. The GFS has been trending that way and it's only gotten stronger.

I don't believe I've ever seen a traffic jam in Nares Strait once the arches broke. And I've looked for it, right after starting the ASIB (see here).

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 24, 2017, 08:38:55 AM »
Record ratings for Rachel.......wildly improved subscriptions for both the NY Times and Washington Post.


Today my EV arrived. It has four wheels and two 18V 5Ah batteries. Yes, it's a Makita lawnmower!

Quite happy with it, although I have to get used to no longer having to think about where the 50m cord is. And just a bit more range would've been nice as well.  ;)

Oh, and I can use the batteries on my 10-year old drill! Gotta love Makita. I wish they would make cars.

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: What's new in Greenland?
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:51:19 PM »
Greenland melting quite high 18th & 19th May- especially on SW coast.

Does Greenland Melting Season deserve a thread of its own?

Good idea. We've had one every year so far, I believe. Here it is: Greenland 2017 melt season

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Greenland 2017 melt season
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:50:16 PM »

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:41:28 PM »
Here's one from 2013-2014:

Also above average, but slightly less so. As far as I can remember, the anomaly has always been positive. During autumn and winter, fine, I understand. But we are now well into spring and the anomaly should be getting smaller. I mean, how can it be so much above average when Rutgers doesn't show such extreme anomalies (see attachment)?

As said before, my guess is it's because of the unrealistic positive snow depth anomaly in South China/Himalayas on this map here:

One day I'm going to ask the people at Environment Canada what the deal is with those purple colours.

Arctic Background / Re: Interpretation of satellite images
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:22:52 PM »
What really counts is a comparison with previous years, which is why I created the Sea ice concentration maps page on the ASIG.

I used to use the LANCE-MODIS Arctic Mosaic for comparisons, ie download images from different years (or several days in a row for a comparison), crop them and add a date etc in Photoshop (I use templates/actions for that now) and then use GIF animation software.

I'm going to have to develop a method to do the same with WorldView when I resume blogging, as I'm not sure if the Arctic Mosaic will be around much longer.

I can't volunteer to organize this as a group effort, as I'm on a 'sabbatical', but I may in the future. Now, if could program and develop websites, I'd make a simple one where you can compare one particular region for different years. Maybe in a next life.  ;)

Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 21, 2017, 05:44:09 PM »
Maybe maximum receives more hits because the record was beaten a couple of times in the past three years?

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:20:07 AM »
Chomsky says it too, short video (1.43 minutes), transcript of last part below:

Noam Chomsky - Trump's Con Job
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Sooner or later, I think the con is going to collapse. And much more important than trying to talk about impeaching Trump, is trying to develop programs that will be meaningful and constructive for the people who are deceived into supporting their class' enemy. Now, the Democrats have completely failed to do this. They abandoned the working class 40 years ago. Bernie Sanders is an option and that's what ought to be pursued, I think, not worrying about impeachment. Actually, if he was impeached, the result might be worse. Mike Pence is probably worse.

I follow Dutch media and most of the US news they produce, is centered around Trump and his behaviour. He's bowing to the Saudis, his wife and Ivanka do not wear something on their head! Oh, the hypocrisy! Yes, well, I've known Trump is a liar and a hypocrite for over a year now. All this attention is exactly what he wants, as it detracts from the other stuff, so that he can keep fooling those who voted for him.

For myself, I'm going to try and not participate in these discussions concerning reactions to Trump and his stupid antics (although I will keep an eye on this thread to see if anything comes of the impeachment attempts). I want to focus on what comes after Trump and this is now making me more determined to continue reporting on the state of the Arctic, as of course, Trump is going to do everything to deny the existence of AGW. This is what the 'sabbatical' is for, I guess. So, thanks for engaging with me and all the info. See you elsewhere.

One last thing, and I repeat: please, try not to conflate Russia with what their oligarch club is doing to get more wealth and power. We, the Russians, and almost everyone in the world are just pawns in this oligarch game. Like the Frank Zappa song goes:

They just takes care
You ain't even NUMBER TWO

They want nothing more than for us to polarize and demonize each other.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 21, 2017, 08:56:08 AM »
Is there a Barrow Strait thread? I'd like to discuss heat and ice transport, and Barrow Strait more generally.

You could open a new thread, but as Barrow Strait is part of the Northwest Passage, I suggest you take it up in the dedicated thread.

Policy and solutions / Re: Becoming Vegan.
« on: May 20, 2017, 11:51:11 PM »
I couldn't find that article where they explain how much meat you 'can' eat, CO2-wise, but maybe it was based on the stuff described in this NewScientist article from 2011: Just how much meat can eco-citizens eat?

Butler showed that if every person in the world ate 50 g of red meat and 40 g of white meat per day by 2050, greenhouse gas emissions from meat production would stabilise at 2005 levels – a target cited in national plans for agricultural emissions. That’s about one burger and one small chicken breast per person every two days (The Lancet, DOI: 10.1016/S0140- 6736(07)61256-2).

Butler’s 2007 figures didn’t take into account the fact that we throw out a lot of the animal mass produced because we consider it inedible. Western countries are the biggest offenders: while many cultures are not fazed by a meal of brains or testicles, Butler estimates that Americans and Australians throw out up to half the cow mass they produce.

At New Scientist‘s request, he updated his calculations. He estimates that globally we discard between 5 and 10 per cent of the animal. This means we can only allow ourselves 80 to 85 g of red and white meat, or one burger and one chicken fillet every three days.

That’s an upper limit. Emissions may need to be cut further.

Based on this, I probably still eat slightly too much meat. I think for the three of us we buy around 60 kg of beef per year, and around 30 kg of poultry.

I don't want to talk about the dog (75-100 kg beef per year)...  :-X

Looks like we're going to have to get rid of our CNG-powered car in the coming year and buy better bikes to compensate.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 20, 2017, 10:47:02 PM »
I like that tweet too.

Thanks for that link, wili. I remembered the name, but I had never checked it out. I'm reading a bit there now, and I already like this article because it's about strategy wrt how effed-up Trump and his policies are: Resistance in the Age of Trumpism: An Interview With Gerald Epstein

And yes, that Guardian articles touches upon what I mean. There are a lot of people who voted for Trump after being disappointed by Obama (and with good reason). These are the people the Democrats need to get back, but that won't happen if the corporate neoliberals stay in charge of the party. And much of the Russiagate-stuff is fuelled by them, as they seem to have a lot of leverage in mainstream media circles (like for instance Clinton's campaign team's strategy to elevate Trump and ignore Sanders).

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 20, 2017, 07:08:36 PM »
Thanks, guys. Like I said, this forum and YouTube are my main sources of information, so that skews my perspective.

The name of Jimmy Carter has popped up here and there. In this video he explains what caused Trump's rise to power and the young lad explains it again after that (click 'no longer available' if the video doesn't show up)):

Jimmy Carter Brilliantly Explains How The Establishment Gave Us Trump
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The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:33:21 PM »
1)  There was NEVER any "choice" of going after Donnie on RussiaGate or not. HE IS IN RUSSIA'S BACK POCKET.  THEY FINANCE HIM.  WITHOUT RUSSIA....HE IS DEAD MEAT.

Again, you say Russia. But what you mean is Oligarchs Sans Frontières. And I also thought that Trump was financed by Mercer, when the latter saw that psycho Ted Cruz was destroyed by Trump. But Mercer has probably been doing business with Russian billionaires as well (every mega-rich person can be tied to another mega-rich person) and so he can undoubtedly be fit into the GlennBeckian charts as well. 

I've just read that the Saudis like Donnie. If they hadn't liked him, he'd already been gone by now, as we all know how big Saudi and Israeli influence on US politics are. Talking about collusion. But they are not the enemy, of course, given how much weaponry they buy from American firms. They are friends.

2)  If you DON'T go after him on RussiaGate....he is just going to "mow you over."  He is a bully.  He doesn't care if you lay down.

I totally agree that this is one of the things that you can hurt Trump with, almost as much as all those policies he's implementing that go right against his promises, the way he's trying to make the rich even richer, killing people by depriving them of health care, and continuing the illegal wars.

But the way the Democrats, some Republicans and the mainstream media seem to go about this, is an all-out attack, or perhaps I should say all-or-nothing. There is hardly any attention for other stuff. Everything boils down to how horrible a person Donald Trump is, and a lot of people are not swayed by it. It makes them even more convinced that the establishment elite are trying to liquidate outsider Donnie.

That's what makes the overt push for impeachment/imprisonment so dangerous, politically speaking. If it doesn't happen, or takes too long, the tables might turn. And then what? Then you can't even sway people with a good and honest platform anymore. Then it will be your Reichstag fire.

3)   Donnie's idea of a perfect one like Russia:  Where it really ISN'T a democracy.....where journalists can be jailed at will......and where the president decides who makes big money and who doesn't.....and where you have one network:  TASS FOX

Yeah, well, it was already a lot like that. I've watched enough documentaries about American culture, politics and economics in the past decade to know that democracy and freedom are very relative terms in the US. And all American media outlets, in the end, are owned by a handful of people. CNN, MSNBC and CBS, what I've seen of them, aren't that much different from Fox. They all have to stay on message or they don't get paid (handsomely).

So there was NEVER any REAL choice about going after Donnie or not (unless you wanted to get mowed over).  He broke the law...and you go after him.

You can also destroy him and the GOP during the next elections by attacking them on how they are totally failing at governing because all their lies and propaganda were totally unpragmatic to begin with, and offering a platform that offers the things that most Americans really care about: universal healthcare, free college, renewable energy, getting the troops back home, breaking up the banks, getting Wall Street under control.

And let it be offered by people that are willing to stand up for these ideas and that are trustworthy and transparent, not the Republican-Light that the Democratic Party has been turned into by corporate whores. I mean, there's a reason Bernie Sanders is currently the most popular politician in the US by far. America needs more of those.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 20, 2017, 10:24:42 AM »
High pressure and anomalously warm temperatures taking over, is very bad news with regards to preconditioning. If a lot of melting momentum is built up in coming weeks, more than we have seen last year for instance, it will bite the Arctic in the ice* in August. We can count our blessings that extent-wise 2017 is 'only' in fourth position and way behind 2016, but I don't really find comfort in that when I look at other parameters.

* I wanted to write 'ass', but got a reverse Freudian slip instead.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2017 melting season
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:15:30 AM »
Nice comparison, Comradez. Thanks.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:35:05 PM »
Before going to bed, I also wanted to add that I really like and respect all of you. Please, don't think ill of me or reproach me that I'm trying to steer your POV and re-direct your energy. I know that in the end we all want the same.

The rest / Re: Article links: drop them here!
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:31:33 PM »
Arctic stronghold of world’s seeds flooded after permafrost melts

No seeds were lost but the ability of the rock vault to provide failsafe protection against all disasters is now threatened by climate change

Thanks for this, TT. I'll re-post this on the blog this weekend.

And here's a rather long one, not necessarily about Corporate Democrats, although a lot of stuff happened under the Obama administration (which is why he is a war criminal IMO). It's about Chelsea Manning and why she was put into prison for letting the American people know what is being done in their name. I actually cried over some of that stuff, especially that video where they shoot/slaughter unsuspecting reporters, kids and paramedics from a chopper. That really broke something in me.

Chelsea Manning Free! Here Are Crimes She Revealed
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Please, my American friends, don't just try and get rid of Trump. Get rid of all of them, on all sides. Please, the whole world begs you.

I watched two other good Jimmy Dore videos today. One was from last week, has that horrible, horrible Pelosi (Steve, how can you defend someone who is failing so badly?) at the start, followed by voters who talk about what they think of the Democratic Party:

Roomful Of Regular People Proclaim Disgust At Democrats
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And here's one from today about how Democratic websites are only about Trump-Russia-Trump-Russia-Trump and how that isn't going to get anybody back to vote for the Democratic Party again:
Democratic Website Pathetically Devoid Of Substance
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Co-commentator Ron Placone nails it (and that's what I and others have been saying in the Russiagate thread many times now):

It's interesting how Democrats would rather try to prove treason and be like non-stop about it for how many months now, instead of actually putting together a platform that would give them a huge victory in 2018.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:04:42 PM »
Fox News is all-in on the Seth Rich nonsense.

So are the Russians.

So are silly, debunked, I-wish-to-hell-they'd-just-go-away conspiracy sites--Breitbart, Drudge, ZeroHedge, etc.

Meanwhile, there's a dead son, a murdered brother, brokenhearted friends, a grieving family--and a bunch of desperate folks politicizing his death to get the spotlight off of TrumpCo's treason.

Despicable. Disgusting. But par for the course.

I agree. I can only speak for myself and that is that I'm not interested in that for political reasons, as I'm against Trump, the Republicans, the Corporate Democrats, Putin, etc. I sincerely hope that Seth Rich didn't leak the DNC mails to Wikileaks, because if he did and it gets known, things will get very, very messy. I'm also surprised that there is no attention for this from mainstream media whatsoever, and I don't mean the latest BS from Fox and that silly attention-craving private investigator, but I mean, the story in general. Although surprised isn't the right word.

That's my biggest fear with this all-out war on Trump and 'Russia'. That it takes too long and backfires.

In a simplisitc, back-and-white world, certainly Democrats would have but two choices:

A) See how deeply Trump worked with a hostile foreign state to subvert our democracy, and just let everything else go to hell; or...

B) Focus solely on internal problems, and surrender our democracy to Americans who invite hostile outsiders to influence the electorate, keeping our fingers crossed that those hostile outsiders will change their minds next time and let free elections take place so progressives can attain and retain positions of power so we can deal with those issues.

I don't know about the foreign hostile state, but Trump is definitely in bed with Russian oligarch money. Like most American politicians are in one way or another. There still is very little hard evidence - at least shared with us, the people - about that meddling in the elections.

If it is so easy to sway the American elections, and you believe that, you also believe that the American people is stupid. And if the American people is that stupid apparently you can only sway their minds by employing the same tactics, right? That's a cul-de-sac. That won't solve anything and more importantly, you're not winning anyone over this way, except liberal know-it-alls.

There is so much bloodthirsty intensity in all this that I fear that to a lot of people this will look like a subversion of democracy and Trump is the victim. That's how it would look to me, if I didn't know any better. But you need those people on your side if you really want to change things! A lot of those people aren't evil or dumb, they're desperate!

Fortunately, the world is neither so simplistic nor so black-and-white. There are at this moment tens of millions of smart people fully capable of simultaneously walking and chewing gum; these people know that we can both investigate Trump's aiding and abetting of Putin AND work on the dozens of issues facing Americans today. We can look into whether and how deeply Flynn's and Manafort's criminal actions extend into the White House AND show Americans that liberals (and not conservatives) have given America most of those things it cherishes most.

But, Jim, almost all the attention goes out to this Trump-Russia-thing. To me and my limited perspective here in Europe with almost only the ASIF and Youtube as my resources, it looks as if this is all-consuming, feeding on itself, especially on Democrat websites. I've checked a few in the past few days and all they're about is Trump-Russia-Trump-Russia-Trump-Russia.

Where is the attention to all that stuff that is going to be needed to sway enough American people so that real change can come about? Does that only come into play after Trump is gone? What if it takes months and months, or even up to the next presidential election? Is there any strategy to this? Why not let Trump and the GOP f**k up some more together so that they get wiped out in the next elections, and focus all the energy on breaking the hold of Corporatist politicians on the Democratic Party? The primary reason that Trump is president, is because of the massive mistake of letting Clinton run and the way her campaign was run. The Democrats need to own that mistake and learn from it, instead of going on a witch-hunt, rightly or not.

The election simply hasn't stopped, and it won't be over until everyone has chosen the lesser evil. But it's really important there is a third choice before people get to choose again. And that's why it's so important to get priorities straightened out.

You say both can be done at the same time, but to me it looks like one thing needs to be done first and then the other can be done.  I think that's a strategic mistake. Get your own house in order while the other house destroys itself. Because it will.

Those consuming only right wing media--or at least living on a diet consisting primarily of it--can be easily misled into thinking there's nothing to see, no "there" there; Fox barely mentions Russia, and conservative talk radio is working overtime trying to fool its listeners into thinking this is all a witch hunt and an effort to delegitimize Trump. But this isn't nothing. Far from it. And if the steadily increasing drip-drip-DRIP of denial and obfuscation from Washington doesn't illustrate that, the multiple grand juries looking into things certainly should.

I agree with you, but a lot of what I see from the rest of mainstream media, isn't all that better. It seems everyone has an agenda, and we ain't in it. It's all about pushing ratings and ideologies.

On another note: there is absolutely no way that Trump gets eight years out of this. People with favorability ratings in the 30s simply don't get re-elected. In fact, people with ratings in the 30s are prone to getting primaried. And Trump has absolutely NOTHING up his sleeve that will reverse those terrible numbers. The emperor has no clothes--and very few are afraid to tell him that.

I hope you're right, and I hope this isn't done in a way that lets the GOP nutters get at the helm.

What a mess...

And what Terry says.

And here's another Jimmy Dore video (featuring Pelosi towards the end) that shows what the Democrats are doing wrong and why they seem so bent - unconsciously - on losing:

Democratic Website Pathetically Devoid Of Substance

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Many here keep saying that corporate democrats are the reason the D's did badly last time around, but I don't see actual evidence of this.  Hillary lost mostly because she's been relentlessly smeared for decades, and because she's an unappealing candidate to boot.

You are slightly contradicting yourself here. The Democrats put up an unappealing candidate that had been tainted (rightfully or not, that's irrelevant) and managed to lose to the most despicable presidential candidate of all times. That sounds like a big fail to me. And that's even without taking the content of the Podesta mails into account that showed the bias of the DNC and the mainstream media to effectively shut Bernie Sanders out.

As for Pelosi:

No, Pelosi is clearly in favor of single-payer health care.  She just doesn't believe that such legislation can currently be enacted, and she's right:

But is she right? Recently I saw polls that show that a majority of the population wants single payer health care, I believe even among Republican voters who make less than 30K per year. people are getting more informed and now that the GOP is in power (and screwing up badly wrt health reform), the propaganda is starting to wear off. Now would be the perfect moment to actually really stand up for your 'values' (a word Corporate Democrats love to use) and get those disappointed voters to come back to the Democratic Party, go out and vote, etc.

I don't know if you are one of those commenters here who refuse to watch Jimmy Dore videos out of principle, but here he and his co-commentators really explain it well why Pelosi is so wrong on this and why she most probably does so (donor money), aside from the fact that the argument that single payer health care isn't politically feasible is becoming more and more passé (click 'no longer available' if the video window doesn't show up):

Bernie Schools Pelosi On How To Talk Healthcare

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Arctic sea ice / Re: Stupid Questions :o
« on: May 18, 2017, 11:18:32 PM »
Because it's thick ice that will melt out in Baffin Bay, whereas it probably won't if it stays in the Central Arctic Basin. So, the earlier Nares Strait opens up, the more MYI will be transported to lower latitudes.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 18, 2017, 10:15:52 PM »
Almost everything looks like propaganda to me, and I can't think of a way to solve it.
Don't waste your time. It is a Faux News red herring with an utterly ridiculous source. See my response to your previous question on this.[/quote]

FWIW, Jimmy Dore also says that there is no evidence, even though there are some strange things wrt this case (nothing stolen, Wikileaks offering a reward). As I thought, that private investigator is totally unreliable, retracting what he had said earlier about there being evidence that Seth Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks.

But there's one more thing you said that I want to reply to:

I still dearly remember the DVD Neven gave me with documentary films. One was about Edward L. Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, father of c20th "public relations". Psychology and technology have advanced meanwhile. And now methinks Russia has advanced "information warfare" to a new niveau.

Ha, I had forgotten I had given you that DVD! That Century of the Self is one hell of a documentary series that totally blew my mind 10 years ago.

But what it shows, is how corporations and elites have refined these techniques to make people buy the stuff they want to sell them. Not necessarily nations or nation states, just groups with vested interests. When push comes to shove, these groups do not care about the nations or nation states they may reside in. Call them Oligarchs Sans Frontières, if you like.

If you want to rail against Trump, fine, but be careful not to couch it in language - like the mainstream media does relentlessly and irresponsibly - that takes us back to this Cold War mind set. Or worse, real warfare.

The 'Russian' oligarchs haven't advanced 'information warfare' to a new level. It's not like we now suddenly are being f**ed. This has been going on for a long time. And that 'USA not USSR' meme will not stop it. It only makes it worse.

Of course, earlier on this thread, others have said that 'Russiagate' is really the wrong name to use. As so often with this kind of labelling (death tax, Obamacare, Axis of Evil), it's to instil fear in people, make them afraid of some invisible enemy. So that they don't think or actively engage in positive change.

This isn't about Russia. This is about people of good will against bad people. And we need to get the bad people out, on all sides, if we want to have a chance at solving anything.

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: May 18, 2017, 09:45:35 PM »
Anyone read Drawdown?

"Project Drawdown is the most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse global warming."

worth a read?

Looks very interesting. I just read this interview with the author on Vox. I like how they went about it. It seems like worth a read to me, but I don't have time to read.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: May 18, 2017, 06:51:41 PM »
I'm saddened that the topic name changed. This thread was not just about renewables but the technological, economic and social breakthroughs that will lead to mass adoption of renewables.

I'd rather have all that in one thread, and not one thread for falling costs of renewables, one for renewables reaching a tipping point, one for the technological breakthroughs, one for the economic breakthroughs, and one for the social breakthroughs. And as this was the most popular thread on renewables, I decided to give it a generic name where all of those sub-themes can be discussed.

And otherwise, I'm sure there's a Renewable Energy Forum somewhere where the distinctions are expressed in a variety of detailed threads.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 18, 2017, 06:17:44 PM »
... I don't know. I'm just suspicious of everybody. ...
Yeah, who is this "Neven" guy who shows up everywhere on this forum and the ASIB? ;D

I don't know, but whatever you do, don't trust anything he says.  ;D

I watch Rachel Maddow and read Fox News (on the internet), then scratch my head and go back to reading about Arctic ice.

That's a good advice. That's what I'm going to do soon. But I'm glad I took the time to read up a bit on what is happening in the leader of the world, even though it depresses me to no end.

"Michael Flynn appears"

"speculates that Comey"


This stuff feeds on itself.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 18, 2017, 04:17:34 PM »

Because of the nature of the allegations and suspicions, the relevant evidence would be from classified information.  A *named source* would be on an express train to a prison term.  The sort of leaks springing up now can *only* come via un-named sources. 

Any un-named source should be viewed with some skepticism, but not dismissal.  A whole raft of un-named sources, with un-named corroboration, reported by generally reliable media (Washington Post, NYTimes, etc.) should be considered reasonably reliable in overall thrust.

I don't know. I'm just suspicious of everybody. I've seen a lot of BS in the WaPo and NYT as well, and this un-named source thing just opens a portal to so much ideology-driven and ends-justify-means stuff. I mean there are lots of people who want to get rid of Trump asap, at all costs.

I agree about the 'getting rid of' part. I'm not sure whether 'asap' is best strategically, and the costs could be higher than we think.

And I'm still not sure this Russiagate thing might blow up the wrong way. I wish all that fervour, energy and aggression was directed more towards the general problem, rather than to the symptom. All this foreplay is sucking up so much attention that the ejaculation may prove disappointing, making it very difficult to get turned again on in the future.

I think Trump and Schiller *are* stupid enough to do this, however.  The Russians would be happy to cooperate, because regardless of any value of the data, they'd hold proof of Trump's impeachable conduct.

Every time something seems far-fetched, illogical or contradictory, it is countered with the argument that Trump is actually that stupid. It's just too epistemically closed for me.

I'm not going to apologize for "Patriotbots"...or whatever that site was that Martin linked. ALL SOURCES...whether direct (via people you know) or through the mainstream media or the "blog media" PalmerReport....they ALL should looked at with a SKEPTICAL EYE.

That is the true meaning of skeptic:  Someone who is skeptical of EVERYTHING.   Not just one side or the other.  Just as...I am sure....that you view Jimmy Dore with a skeptical eye. ;)

I absolutely agree with you on this. And I don't take what Jimmy Dore says as gospel truth. I don't see him as a news source, but rather as a commentator and activist. And I happen to like what he says and the way he says it.

Take for instance that Seth Rich thing. I'm just looking into it today and there's some bombshell potential there (if the guy did leak the Podesta stuff to Wikileaks and then got killed...), but here too there's very little hard evidence. There's this PI - that doesn't look reliable to me - on Fox News saying he has a source within the police department yadda yadda yadda.

Almost everything looks like propaganda to me, and I can't think of a way to solve it.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 18, 2017, 01:59:12 PM »
I'm also getting tired of the house of cards built upon 'sources close to the intelligence community report'. Why are there so few hard facts from known, tangible sources? It all reads like a John le Carré novel, where a handful of characters are all-powerful and determine the fate of the world.

I'm sure ratings are soaring, as everyone seems to be in a permanent frenzy. But maybe that's just my impression, because I don't have the time to venture far outside the ASIF.

Buddy, this thread is about how you get rid of those Democrats who are against all the things you describe, when it's not in the interest of their donors.

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 18, 2017, 01:44:08 PM »
Before I grab the popcorn, here's the play's book:

I'm amazed at how someone can write in such an omniscient way (even knowing people's thoughts and motivations) and with such relish. This person must really pine for the Cold War with all its spy heroics and paranoia.  :D

I'm used to reading this kind of stuff on extreme right-wing conspiracy sites, but it seems the left is catching up. Where's the scepticism?

The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 17, 2017, 10:00:12 PM »
Can anyone explain to me what that Seth Rich thing is about? Is there any evidence that he did or didn't leak those DNC mails?

I was so busy last year looking at Arctic sea ice that all this stuff went past me (given that I don't own a TV and only keep an eye on a handful of (mostly Dutch and Austrian) news sources).

Policy and solutions / Re: Nuclear power
« on: May 17, 2017, 08:00:25 PM »
Good idea (even though I like those quirky titles). Thread title changed to 'Nuclear power' now.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: May 17, 2017, 06:40:13 PM »
Neven. now I know you are deranged. Don't you know? Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolyte.  ;)j/k

I know that quote! Idiocracy!  ;D

The linked article is entitled: "Nancy Pelosi: I would have retired ‘if Hillary had won’".  If you want to get rid of Pelosi, you might consider resisting Trump a little harder.

Extract: "House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Friday that she would have retired if former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had defeated President Donald Trump in the November election.

According to CNN, Pelosi told reporters after her interview Friday at The Monitor Breakfast — hosted by The Christian Science Monitor — that “if Hillary had won, I was ready to go home.”"

Okay, so she has actually said it. That's pretty amazing. It's like a goal keeper, who, after making so many mistakes that his team got relegated, says that he would have retired had they become champions. It seems Trump isn't the only stupid one.

Like I said, she's 1) a liability, the exact reason why voters don't trust Democrats, because they sell out to big donors, with that plastic face of hers and the hollow rhetoric, and 2) someone who fails so bad shouldn't be in that position any longer. The only reason Pelosi is where she is, is that she raises so much money (that other Corporate Democrat Dean Howard literally said it).

Would you replace her with a more progressive person if you could?

The linked article is entitled: "Nancy Pelosi: I would have retired ‘if Hillary had won’".  If you want to get rid of Pelosi, you might consider resisting Trump a little harder.

If I were American, I would want to be rid of both her and Trump, of both evils that engender each other. Don't tell me this is an either/or choice. That's just gaslighting. Get rid of both, or keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Jimmy Dore just posted a really good video, showing a right-wing ideologue explaining how Obamacare was actually a Republican idea, and how single-payer healthcare is now inevitable.
I have explained Obamacare in one of these threads with references to wikipedia etc. To get anything done Obama had to hijack "Romneycare", which actually was a Democrats idea first vetoed by Republican Mass. governor Romney. This was one of the great achievements of the Obama administration, but just the first step. Now that people have learned to like it, something better can one day be implemented. The Republican/Koch Tea Party enmity to 1st-world healthcare principles (understood since Bismarck, 19th century) is now dead in the water. Thanks to Obama. Haha, now it even seems possible that Hillary's work on healthcare 20y ago wasn't in vain...

Sure, Martin, but what do you think about Dore's argument in the second part of the video that the Trump/GOP fiasco is offering an opportunity to the Democratic Party (if taken over by progressives) that wouldn't have been there if Clinton had been elected president? I find it convincing, and inspiring even.

I have difficulties believing that, ASLR, based on my limited perspective from Europe. Maybe you have a quote, but it sounds like that's your interpretation. My interpretation is that's she's interested in two things: Keeping progressives in the Democratic Party out of power, raking in more money by doing the donor's bidding.

You know she's against single payer, right? That's a losing strategy. People are no longer buying into the corporatist propaganda and that makes Pelosi a liability that is adding even more damage to what Trump is doing (in fact, Corporate Democrats like Pelosi are one of the reasons the US now has Trump as president).

Jimmy Dore just posted a really good video, showing a right-wing ideologue explaining how Obamacare was actually a Republican idea, and how single-payer healthcare is now inevitable. From a strategic point of view, I find that what Jimmy Dore says really makes a lot of sense as an argument. I hope people can set aside their dislike of him because of other issues (like Russiagate and the Hillary/Obama/Corporate Democrat bashing) and actually listen to the content of what he's saying.

In fact I'm going to watch it a second time now (even though I should work), because it's one of the best videos I've seen of him lately. Edit: the first part will probably turn some of you off, so watch from minute 9:55 onwards.

Ex Bush Official Acknowledges Medicare For All Is Inevitable:
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The rest / Re: Russiagate
« on: May 17, 2017, 02:58:33 PM »
Donnie Tiny Hands is definitely as stupid as he seems if he thought he could ride out the storm, after increasing it tenfold by firing Comey.

If it isn't old age mental illness, then it is an abyss of corruption that makes him and his advisers so nervous and hysterical that they can't even grasp basic tactics anymore.

Yes, that's what surprises me. They ran a pretty smart/good* campaign, tactically speaking, even though HRC was probably the biggest gift the DNC could have given them.

* And evil, of course. I'm looking at it from a US election perspective, where everything goes.


I just hope this forest fire doesn't take years to extinguish, because all those other important issues are enormously urgent. There's also a high likelihood that trust in the US political system sinks to an even lower point, especially if Trump doesn't exit because of his policies, but rather because of his personality and the 'collusion'. It's possible that to a lot of people this means that no matter who you vote in, if the elites don't approve, that person won't even finish one term. Either he/she gets shouted out, or he/she is liquidated. I don't know how you get that trust back (and thus inspire people to do something for their country and fellow men), especially given the state of both duopoly parties.

And I also hope that this president sets a precedent for other presidents. If Trump and his collusion becomes the standard, there will be no more financing and training of terrorists, no more illegal wars, no more meddling in the elections of other nations (no matter their resources) and no more receiving of millions of dollars in donations by banks, oligarchs and foreign governments.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: May 17, 2017, 02:53:59 PM »
No, that goes into the 'how we kill our children' thread. Or the 'Big Pharma/Sugar' tread.

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