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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2016, 09:59:48 PM »
India has recognized the problems they will face with climate change and has been building a number of dams to store water.

Dams on the Ganges in India are generally bad news for the even more desperate people in Bangladesh.  It sound like policy makers are just kicking the can down the road.
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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2016, 11:22:12 PM »
More like one group of people acting in their own self interest.

Like that hasn't happened before?


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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2016, 12:35:03 AM »
More like one group of people acting in their own self interest.

Like that hasn't happened before?

Which is precisely why we are in the climate change situation that we are currently in, and why it will likely be difficult to avoid large negative climate change impacts.
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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2016, 04:41:53 AM »
Sure it will be difficult.  The road will not be smooth and some missteps will occur.

We are in the climatic fix we're in because almost no one understood the gravity of what we were doing.  To a large extent we are still in the awaking phase and only entering the "let's not let this get out of hand" phase.  But the great thing is that we have the technology we need right now to get us off fossil fuels and those technologies have become affordable.  In fact, by switching to renewable energy and electric transportation we will spend much less for both our electricity and travel.

As awareness and concern grow we'll ramp up the transition off fossil fuels and, hopefully, dodge the big bullet.

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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2016, 01:18:31 PM »
EU, India outline climate and clean energy package
The European Union vowed to help India realise its clean energy aspirations at a bilateral summit in Brussels on Wednesday.

In a joint declaration, the major economies pledged to cooperate on integrating India’s electricity grid with large solar parks, support the development of smart grids and assist in the planning of its first offshore wind array.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/30/eu-india-outline-climate-and-clean-energy-package/
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2016, 08:38:10 PM »
The linked Vox article is entitled: "The climate fight will be won or lost in India, in 8 charts", and indicates that unless the first world steps up and provides at least an addition $5.3 trillion in sustainable investments in India, Vietnam, and other SE Asian nations (well before 2040), then the Paris Pact goals are toast:

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11919610/india-decarbonization-8-graphs

Extract: "… India, not China, is becoming the key to global decarbonization.
Most of the big emitters have gotten a handle on their electricity systems, meaning that they are on track to phase out coal and (somewhat later) natural gas. They’re not doing it fast enough, but at least they are on the right trajectory. That’s even true for China, where just a few years ago analysts were saying that coal would dominate forever. Now there’s a post-2020 moratorium on new coal plants.
India, however, is a different story. Its economy is growing quickly, and with it electricity demand. That means even with the audacious renewable energy goals Modi has laid out, coal consumption is going to triple in India by 2040, with 258 GW of new coal capacity coming online.
As a result of this new coal, BNEF says, "power sector emissions will still be 5 percent higher in 2040, as progress in the EU, US and China is offset by steep emissions growth in India and SE Asia.""
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« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2016, 05:20:41 PM »
Scribbler just posted the linked article entitled: "The Increasingly Dangerous Hothouse — Local Reports Show It Felt Like 160 F (71 C) in India on June 13th, 2016".  I agree with Scribbler that the impact of climate change on the 1.2 Billion Indians is a "pretty big deal".  Policy makers who think that what happens in India will stay in India, will likely soon find out that they were sadly mistaken:

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/06/21/the-increasingly-dangerous-hothouse-local-reports-show-it-felt-like-170-f-77-c-in-bhubaneswar-on-june-13th-2016/

Extract: "The climate change induced delay of India’s monsoon is a pretty big deal. Not only does it reduce the amount of moisture — necessary for the provision of life-giving crops for this country of 1.2 billion — provided by the annual rains, it also increases the potential for life threatening heatwave conditions. And according to local reports, some of the highest heat index values ever recorded on the face of the Earth were seen in Bhubaneswar, India during a period of record heat and high humidity as the Asian Monsoon struggled to advance."
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« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2016, 05:48:01 PM »
Climate change is already leading to an abrupt increase in murder and violence in India:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-water-violence-idUSKCN0ZF0IW

Extract: "Murders, violence on rise as parched central India battles for water."

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« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2016, 07:40:38 PM »
How India's 'smart villages' are centralising solar power
India's green energy sector has a tendency to "sell and run" - high-end equipment is installed, but a lack of maintenance support for remote villages means systems often fall into disrepair, he adds.

So Mr Das decided to create a smart grid technology that allows a village's entire electrical infrastructure to be monitored remotely.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36681112
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« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2016, 02:07:14 AM »
‘Solar Zones’ policy announced by India to spur large-scale solar projects
India has been in the news, as we’ve seen, lately with their admirable efforts to speed up their country’s transition to more sustainable energy sources. We have already seen India announce its plan for all their cars to be electric by the year 2030, and more recently, we saw the country’s transport minister offer up its land for Tesla. Fast forward to today, as reported by Planetsave, India has now publicized their initiative to “identify and designate ‘solar zones'” in the country.

The Ministry of New and Renewable Energy states in the beginning of their ten-page document that they seek to have a total of 10 ‘solar zones’ with each of them having around 10,000 hectares of either government or private land. They continue on to state their main objective for the program:

The scheme aims to provide a huge impetus to solar energy generation by acting as a flagship demonstration facility to encourage project developers and investors, thereby helping the country in achieving its target of 100,000 MW by 2022. The solar zones will enable the States to bring in significant investment from project developers, meet its Solar Renewable Purchase Obligation (RPO) mandate and provide employment opportunities to local population. The State will also reduce its carbon footprint by avoiding emissions equivalent to the solar zone’s installed capacity and generation. Further, the State will also avoid procuring expensive fossil fuels to power conventional power plants.

http://electrek.co/2016/07/25/solar-zones-policy-announced-by-india-to-spur-large-scale-solar-projects/
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« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2016, 06:43:23 PM »
Railways aims to significantly reduce carbon footprints
NEW DELHI: Indian Railways, the largest energy consumer in the country, has set a target of harnessing 1,000 MW of solar energy and 15 MW of wind energy in the next four years as part of efforts to reduce its carbon footprint.

"We have undertaken steps to increase the use of clean energy to reduce emissions and in this regard we have set a target of harnessing 1,000 MW of solar and 150 MW of wind energy by 2020," said Railway Executive Director Sudhir Garg at the release of a report on 'Decarbonisation Indian Railways' here today.

The Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations and the Climate Policy Initiative in their reports have identified potential pathways to decarbonise the Railways by 2030.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Railways-aims-to-significantly-reduce-carbon-footprints/articleshow/53338488.cms
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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2016, 05:59:34 PM »
India now has an electrical energy surplus; which it has primarily achieved by building more coal-fired power plants:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/india-achieves-historical-first-ever-surplus-of-power/

Extract: "For the first time since India’s independence in 1947, the country now has a power surplus. This is a remarkable achievement as India was just a few years ago grappling with rampant power deficits and outages. The surplus comes from increased capacity (mostly coal) additions rather than energy efficiency improvements, but with Indian cities accounting for six out of the top 10 worst polluted cities in the world, progress is not without complications.

India’s progress on achieving a power surplus is movement forward by one important metric, but unless it expands electrification and reduces pollution (both local and global) it will be a pyrrhic victory."
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« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2016, 07:24:38 PM »
A "surplus of electrical power" is a terrible term to use when 300 million souls have no access to electricity in India

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« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2016, 07:19:41 PM »
India is the key to a potential timely agreement on HFC, as discussed in the linked article:

http://in.reuters.com/article/climatechange-hfcs-idINKCN1290CO

Extract: "India will face pressure to speed up its plans for cutting greenhouse gases used in refrigerators, air conditioning and aerosols when governments meet this week to hammer out what would be a third key deal to limit climate change in a month.
About 150 nations meet in Rwanda, from Oct. 10-14 to try to agree a phase down of factory-made hydrofluorocarbon (HFC) gases. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will be among those attending.
A quick phase-down of HFCs could be a big contribution to slow climate change, avoiding perhaps 0.5 degree Celsius (0.9 Fahrenheit) of a projected rise in average temperatures by 2100, scientists say.
But India wants a peak in poor nations' rising emissions only in 2031, to give industries time to adapt. More than 100 other nations including the United States, the European Union and African states, favour a peak in 2021.
"It really does matter how early the agreement kicks in," said Jake Schmidt, of the U.S. Natural Resources Defense Council, which reckons India's proposal would add the equivalent of almost a year of global carbon emissions to the atmosphere.
"We must get enough time before the phasing out period starts. We are very clear," Indian Environment Minister Anil Madhav Dave said on Oct. 1, according to the Times of India.
Use of HFCs, which can be 10,000 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as greenhouse gases, is already declining in many rich nations."
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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2016, 02:08:05 PM »
The linked article is entitled: "New Delhi Crippled by Pollution, Forcing Closure of Schools and Power Plants".  It looks like New Delhi is experiencing the air pollution problems that Beijing experienced not too long ago:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-delhi-crippled-pollution-forcing-closure-schools-power-plants-n678601

Extract: "India's capital announced a slew of measures Sunday to combat the crippling air pollution that has engulfed the city, including closing down schools, halting construction and ordering that all roads be doused with water to settle dust.

New Delhi, one of the world's dirtiest cities, saw levels of PM2.5 — tiny particulate matter that can clog lungs — soar to over 900 micrograms per cubic meter on Saturday. That's more than 90 times the level considered safe by the World Health Organization and 15 times the Indian government's norms."
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« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2016, 05:35:11 PM »
Some of the new coal plants will replace old, worse-polluting ones.

India to halt building new coal plants in 2022
Draft government plan finds no need for new coal stations beyond those already under construction, calls for massive renewable energy push
At the same time, the report aims to add 100GW of solar and wind. These renewable energy additions would more than double India’s clean energy capacity.

This would put India on course to far exceed its pledges to the Paris agreement, said Siddharth Singh, associate fellow at The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI) in New Delhi.

Narendra Modi’s government has promised to get 40% of  its electricity from non-fossil sources (renewable and nuclear) by 2030, with finance and technology sharing from wealthier countries.

The CEA proposal would mean the non-fossil share would increase to 53% as early as 2027, up from 31% today, without relying on international support.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/12/16/india-to-halt-building-new-coal-plants-in-2022/
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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2017, 03:35:10 PM »
In Rural India, Solar-Powered Microgrids Show Mixed Success
As India looks to bring electricity to the quarter of its population still without it, nonprofit groups are increasingly turning to solar microgrids to provide power to the nation’s villages. But the initiatives so far have faced major challenges.
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/in_rural_india_solar-powered_microgrids_show_mixed_success/2948/
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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2017, 09:51:34 PM »
India’s solar capacity to double in 2017
In 2017, India’s solar capacity is projected to double to 18 GW, with 14.2 GW of solar projects currently under development and tenders for approximately 6.3 GW are yet to be auctioned.

India’s solar capacity is set to double as large projects are commissioned, despite the short-term challenges of power limitation and weak tendering in certain states, according to sector expert and power producers.
http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/news/indias_solar_capacity_to_double_in_2017
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« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2017, 12:22:44 AM »
India’s polluted air now kills 1.1 million people per year
...India has also set a lofty goal for its transition to renewable energy, with plans to obtain around 60 percent of the country’s electricity from non-fossil fuel sources by 2027. That would put the country on track to beat its commitments made during the Paris climate conference in 2015 years ahead of schedule. As the world’s fourth-largest emitter of greenhouse gases, that would be a big win for climate — but it would also help cut down on the air pollution and particulate matter plaguing Indian cities. Over the past year, India has received over $20 million in investments aimed at building out the country’s solar capacity in order to meet the country’s growing demand for electricity; currently, some 240 million people in India lack access to electricity, meaning they often turn to polluting sources like wood and animal dung. A Delhi-based research group also suggested earlier this week that if the cost of renewable energy continues to decline at its current rate, India could be completely coal-free by 2050....
https://thinkprogress.org/air-pollution-deaths-china-india-report-7b50ca86c3b2
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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2017, 06:19:02 PM »
The linked article is entitled: "Modi's BJP Party Wins Heart of India Voters".  It is my opinion that the win by Modi's BJP party can be seen as an extension of the worldwide alt-right populist movement to 'purportedly" provide more jobs/wealth to the people; even at the expense of the environment.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/12/519897399/modi-s-bjp-party-wins-heart-of-india-voters

Extract: "Young Indians want a more prosperous country in their lifetime and appear to have seized on Prime Minister Narendra Modi to deliver it."

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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2017, 05:29:08 PM »
Modi may have some characteristics of the alt-right, but he isn't a captive of ff like some.

His development goals include installing 175 GW of renewables by 2022, and past policies included providing LEDs to the people.

Some of his views may be problematic, and I hope that those aren't implemented.  But though he may not be a green warrior, he is agressively pushing clean energy.


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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2017, 09:42:27 PM »
India has massively overbuilt its coal-fired electricity generating capacity in the past five years, and together with the 50GW additions from 2017-2022 will have doubled its coal-fired capacity in 10 years - to 249GW (plus 30GW natural gas capacity). This is a huge amount of brand-new capacity that can have very high utilization rates (much higher than wind and solar), and financial pressure for higher utilization levels.

Increases in renewables will be more than offset by increases in electricity demand, with the result that India's emissions will continue to rise through 2027. The capacity mix will be substantially altered by then, down to 44% from fossil fuels, plus 11% from hydro and 43% from other renewables, plus 2% from nuclear. Capacity * Utilization = output, and with the fossil fuel plants capable of much higher levels of utilization quite possibly 60%+ of output could still be from fossil fuels.

India's commitment to a huge buildout of renewables is commendable, but the logic of continued rapid economic growth driving rapid growth in electricity demand that more than offsets renewable growth is the reality that faces all the optimistic prognostications.

I gave up a long time ago relying on a lot of the climate change sites to not positively spin everything, so ended actually reading the underlying policy documents.

Government of India (2016), Draft National Energy Plan, Government of India. Accessible at http://www.cea.nic.in/reports/committee/nep/nep_dec.pdf

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« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2017, 03:41:34 PM »
750 Megawatt Solar Project In India Will Receive Loan At 0.25% From World Bank
The solar power project that has taken the Indian market by storm is set to receive debt funding at perhaps the cheapest possible rates.

Rewa solar power park will receive debt finance at just 0.25% from the World Bank. A few weeks back, a competitive auction for the 750 megawatt (MW) solar power park in Rewa, Madhya Pradesh, yielded the lowest-ever tariff for a solar power project in India. The contract for development of the solar park has been awarded to three companies that will set up 250 megawatts of capacity each....
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/03/22/750-megawatt-solar-project-india-will-receive-loan-0-25-world-bank/


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This is just below the going rate for banks that borrow directly from the United States (or really rich people who have hard collateral). The World Bank does have political reasons for giving a loan like this and the loan is probably backed by India. Nonetheless, big names like this giving big money like this are important – for one, that one group is doing it means others will soon follow. And that means 1GW solar power plants will get built a lot more often.
https://electrek.co/2017/03/23/electrek-green-energy-brief-worldbank-loan-at-0-25-for-750mw-trump-says-no-to-carbon-tax-more/
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