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Paddy

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Top climate-friendly actions
« on: August 22, 2016, 01:49:34 PM »
If you could put together a top X list of ways to walk the walk, as a general call to arms / summary of good ideas, what would they be?  Here's mine (it worked out as Top 6, but the number is not fixed)

1) Reduce meat and dairy consumption.
2) Plan to have fewer children later
3) Reduce personal fossil fuel consumption, in particular, cycling and walking when you can
4) Reduce what you consume otherwise, reusing, recycling, etc. where possible
5) Source whatever you consume more sustainably
6) Vote, campaign, and generally speak up more for the policy changes that we need

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 02:50:37 PM »
Paddy

1) Especially avoid food derived from ruminants (cattle, sheep, goats &etc) ( See No beef)

2)That's the past for me.

3) Yes. and don't fly, don't use cars except in emergencies.

4) I'm suspicious of most recycling schemes. I'd be pleased to see a thread to explore this. My attempt on No bottles had entries

  • Plastic better than recycling glass
  • Bottles reused in Denmark
  • Burning plastic better than recycling?
and

A prayer of commitment


NoBottles has heard of a plan to dispose of bottles at sea. The authors of the plan believe (as we do) that recycling glass by grinding bottles into small particles, melting them and reforming them into new bottles creates too much carbon dioxide pollution. Their plans are currently stalled for legal reasons but they have sent us the prayer they hope to use in the burial at sea.

Dear Lord, we commit these bottles born of the fire of global
warming to the damaged deep to become homes for your
wondrous creations under the waves.

These mortal remains will be snached from the evil recyclers
who would grind them into dust before melting them in great
furnaces to repeat the evil of their birth.

Dear Lord, make us respectful of your great works and drink
our wine from Tetrapaks.


5) Yes. But we need more information -- better than The Green Ration Book

6) One policy change would be to establish research programs to create sustainable lifestyles with low carbon emissions. Attempts I have looked at have been pathetic. (See Three failed eco-towns)

Paddy, I hope this doesn't depress you as much as it depresses me.
 
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2016, 06:29:08 PM »
Fair comment, all round - although I'd read that some recycling, eg aluminium, is actually very efficient, and I've seen a number of schemes for turning bottles into other useful things (generally involving finding uses for ground glass). And the topic doesn't depress me - I work in healthcare, so I'm all too acquainted with there being limits on what I can do to fix problems.

Anything you'd add to the list?

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2016, 07:18:04 PM »
  • Vote appropriately, and advocate others do the same.
  • Lower  your carbon footprint AKA Spend as little money as you can! 
    This includes the "99 things you can do to save the planet" concept. 
    Here are 9 "R"s and 2 "S"s: reduce, reuse, recycle, repurpose, repair, refuse (do without), rot (compost), recover, rethink, share, and source locally.
  • Support organic farmers, and other small acreage farmers/gardeners (especially local ones).
  • Support (financially and volunteering/working for) climate friendly advocating organizations.
Arctic ice is healthy for children and other living things.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 05:11:57 AM »
These are U.S. specific, and may or may not be an issue elsewhere. In no particular order:

Stop putting crap (unless it was before composting, literally crap) on your lawn. It doesn't stay there, the lawn doesn't need it, and when it comes to cases, you don't need the lawn.

Use your clothes, shoes, and home furnishings until they wear out, not until they bore you or are out of fashion. You can afford it, the world cannot.

Ditto for your car, unless you truly need it, and the new one is, say, at least a third more efficient.

Don't eat beef. Eat less meat.

Raise your children to understand the meaning of having "enough." This is a pretty odd concept in our culture, but "enough" turns out to be a lot less than you think.

More learning, less believing. You can't argue with a belief, and the most closely held ones are often the most harmful and the most wrong. If you don't know, find out. Once you know, you don't need to fall back on belief.

A vacation needn't involve an aircraft, or even a car (my longest by bicycle was only 2,000km, but I hiked 3,500km a few years ago).

If you need to get in a car to go running, cycling, or to work out, you are doing something seriously wrong.

Insulate your home. Insulate it again and install decent windows.

LEDs are not your enemy

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 05:16:45 PM »
Many of us here on the forum are men past our child rearing age. Some of us never had a child and at this point  decisions on procreation are largely advice to someone else. Our chances of extensive involvement in the modern medical system however tend to increase rapidly as we approach our expiration date.
I am beginning to wonder about the energy and effort that society invests into those last 10 to 20 years . These thoughts are partly based on personal experience and what passes as good advice from my doctor. My doctor tends to think the old drugs I take ( digitalis )are dated and I should move on to modern and much pricier options. He also thinks I should consider a modern operation that "might" improve my chances of living longer. Although the odds probably support his view the  monetary costs of  jumping into the deep end of the medical system are in my opinion energy costs although nobody in the medical system seems to consider them such.
 So I will take the little ( and big ) clues my heart sends me as advice about my lifestyle ( and risk ) choices. I will try to maintain a very active life , eat better, balance advice from holistic doctors with the advice I get from the modern medical system . I get the feeling my doctor doesn't like my hardheaded adherence to what has worked for the 35 years I have been dealing with heart issues.
I will stick to digitalis as  a working and inexpensive option and when things get very bad I won't be taking on a pacemaker .
 I am only using my personal experience as an example but I think it applies to larger questions about the energy and cost of modern  medications and operative procedures. In the end I will lose this battle.
 Just thought the subject was somewhat more relevant here than procreation choices.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 05:39:39 PM »
@Bruce,

Do you have a power of attorney and advanced care plan in place? The really resource-intensive bits of healthcare can often be averted with a plan in place to say whether or not, for example, you would wish to be kept alive in ICU should things go wrong. Much costlier, on the whole, than ablations and pacemakers.

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 06:59:32 PM »
Paddy, thanks for the advice. I had to deal with DNR's for my parents so I get your point. Will do ASAP
 I was only using my example as a discussion point about the larger trends in modern healthcare , cost and energy.
The legal system is of course part and parcel of problems in the medical system. Lawyers aren't a big percentage of our followers I would guess.
 I wonder about holistic medicine and it's applicability to reducing the energy / cost issues. Are we better off or worse off in training and testing it's applicability . I would think just costs alone will crush modern medicine if and when the wheels start coming off this train. How well are we preparing our society for that eventuality?

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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 11:50:08 PM »
Bruce

Poignant thoughts my friend.


With a brother in law in his mid 60's who recently sired a new little nephew, I appreciate your not so subtle distinction between child rearing as opposed to the fathering of children by old men.


~15 years ago extreme costs were incurred to keep this old shell running, and since that time my medical upkeep has been both expensive and extensive. I'd never taken account of the carbon expended.


Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2016, 03:36:17 PM »
There are several references on this thread about staying away from beef. While I stay away from feedlot beef and beef treated with antibiotics and growth hormone, I thought "grass fed" beef was okay. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2016, 04:58:33 PM »
Grass fed beef are massive methane producers. If they only produced CO2 then they be closer to "net zero" since all the carbon would be sourced from CO2 fixed via photosynthesis. Unfortunately methane is such a potent GHG that in the short term at least  even grass fed beef is way less than optimal.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2016, 05:14:20 PM »
1)eat less meat
2)if you must eat beef, get it from a pasture raised or free range source. Preferably from a local farmer known to you. Eating feedlot meat abets animal torture.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 08:47:49 PM »
@Bruce,

I should really not have limited that advice to avoiding the most excessive treatment, but also talked about other key strategies to do with staying out of hospital as much as possible; such as to stay physically, socially, and mentally active, while also staying safe. And the whole not drinking to excess, not smoking etc.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 09:38:11 AM »
Paddy

4) I'm suspicious of most recycling schemes. I'd be pleased to see a thread to explore this. My attempt on No bottles had entries

  • Plastic better than recycling glass
  • Bottles reused in Denmark
  • Burning plastic better than recycling?
and

A prayer of commitment


NoBottles has heard of a plan to dispose of bottles at sea. The authors of the plan believe (as we do) that recycling glass by grinding bottles into small particles, melting them and reforming them into new bottles creates too much carbon dioxide pollution. Their plans are currently stalled for legal reasons but they have sent us the prayer they hope to use in the burial at sea.

Dear Lord, we commit these bottles born of the fire of global
warming to the damaged deep to become homes for your
wondrous creations under the waves.

These mortal remains will be snached from the evil recyclers
who would grind them into dust before melting them in great
furnaces to repeat the evil of their birth.

Dear Lord, make us respectful of your great works and drink
our wine from Tetrapaks.


5) Yes. But we need more information -- better than The Green Ration Book

6) One policy change would be to establish research programs to create sustainable lifestyles with low carbon emissions. Attempts I have looked at have been pathetic. (See Three failed eco-towns)

Paddy, I hope this doesn't depress you as much as it depresses me.


I refuse to believe plastic is better for the environment than glass.  I grew up on the ocean and I saw directly what plastic does to the environment.  Burning plastic is basically burning oil.  Is recycling glass better than making new glass?  Then we should do it.  Also, you can reuse glass many times before it breaks.  I reuse all kinds of glass containers.  Once upon a time, people used to turn in old bottles for a tiny deposit.  Those bottles got reused.  Why not start that again?  Even if new glass is more efficient than recycling glass, you actually can throw glass bottles in the ocean without any ill effects, and tiny sea glass will wash up on shore and get collected by kids and crafters everywhere, along with the seashells.  Plastic, on the other hand, is creating giant islands of plastic rotating in gyres in the ocean.  More plastic washes on every beach, every day, killing fish, birds, and seaturtles.  I have seen all this personally.  We used to have a big cookout once a year and the whole town would clean all the trash off the beach.  Literally, the very next day, it looked exactly as trashed as if we had never been there.  This is a virgin, undeveloped stretch of beach that you can only reach by boat or by a 40 mile offroad drive in a 4 wheel drive truck still in danger of getting stuck in the sand.  All that trash came directly from the ocean, not from beachgoers.  The weirdest stuff would wash up, syringes, tons of bottles, 10 foot long lightbulbs (unbroken???!!! still a mystery to me, years later.  I saw them all the time, far back in the dunes, probably transported during storms).  Shoes, nets, drums, fishing line, huge mats of streamers with asiatic writing on them.  All kinds of plastic bags.  Tarps.  You name it and I'm sure if it's made of plastic it's washed up on a beach somewhere. 

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 12:11:25 AM »
I'd just like to link here to a good article on the issues with and limitations of ethical consumerism: https://qz.com/920561/conscious-consumerism-is-a-lie-heres-a-better-way-to-help-save-the-world/

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2017, 11:41:00 PM »
Thanks Paddy, this is an excellent essay & made me think.
I will continue with my other efforts of reusing & buying mostly used things of course, but have to accept they alone wont make much if any difference!

But this prompted me & I have made a start with what I know is only a modest push back today by complaining (& why) to my supermarket chain for selling British pork here in NZ and at a lower price per kilo than the local NZ pork!

Clare