One underlying theme I'm noticing in these discussions is that the main motivation seems to be a fear of dying. Is that a good or a bad motivator? Is survivalism a smart form of selfishness? Or does it stand in the way of working at solutions?
I think you're quite correct to identify the question of selfishness in survivalism. I wouldn't agree I'm motivated by a fear of dying, if my assumption that death is an absolute ending is correct - death is the solution to all one's problems. What else can one worry about afterwards? That said it's also irreversible so I've always stuck to living (out of stubbornness if nothing else - I can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind at times).
At first glance, one might mistake me for a survivalist - one necessarily must survive in the first place to do anything further. Really though I am trying to push a whole different outlook and philosophy - one that ultimately implements a civilisation that can advance without the failure points we tripped up on.
The question of selfishness I find concerning is a lot of people are still only thinking short term. They are failing to consider future generations adequately and it is this thinking that got us into this mess to start with.
I don't care how many bullets and baked beans you have (while granting some may be prudent), or how many tonnes of gear you hoarded. This is not a short duration crisis. Nobody is going to magically put things back as they were even after years pass.
Tools will break, rust, and wear. Finite supplies will be consumed. What will your children and grandchildren do? Don't you care about this? Isn't this the problem that caused all this to start with - a failure to look into the future and selflessly care about future generations?
Accordingly this is why I started looking at "how do you build a civilisation out of nothing". It is difficult and complex. One key is to try to set a sustainable course. A sustainable course that will lead to a better future - and that is very unlikely to come to anything resembling fruition in my lifetime, or even that of any children and grandchildren (given my extremely limited resources especially).
Far too many people, I am afraid to say, removed from the struggle to survive for some generations as they are - are a little naive about it.
Also if I'm going to dump in another pet peeve, if I had a local currency unit every time I heard someone say "we can scavenge metals from the wreckage of the old civilisation". To predicate a civilisation upon finite supplies of chemically active (mostly) metals is stupid. It is essentially the same as relying upon finite supplies of fossil fuel!
I am trying to combine elements of:
- survivalism, to meet the immediate requirement to survive to do more
- transition, how to predicate a civilisation upon sustainability
- long term ism, to consider generations far into the future, as some native american tribes did
- progress, to recognise that we ought to try to realise our potential as a species