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« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2017, 06:25:45 AM »
Yeah, main comment threads always get diluted in online forums. No way around it. 2016/2017 freezing season thread is all too unsoecific name for detailed discussions. Heck, if I wanted to, I could report the ice situation in nearby lake on daily basis and it still would kindof be on topic. I'd say the thread keeps remarkably well on topic considering many on the net.
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« Reply #101 on: February 17, 2017, 04:11:39 AM »
Remembering the hack on Skeptical Science, I'd recommend rather regular offline-backups of the forum/site. No doubt some conspiracy theorist has unfounded doubts of the site. I'm though pretty sure you already do this, if not, then start. Easier to track back the time of disturbance that way.
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« Reply #102 on: February 17, 2017, 05:13:08 AM »
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).

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« Reply #103 on: February 17, 2017, 05:19:38 AM »
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).

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« Reply #104 on: February 17, 2017, 08:04:50 AM »
Remembering the hack on Skeptical Science, I'd recommend rather regular offline-backups of the forum/site. No doubt some conspiracy theorist has unfounded doubts of the site. I'm though pretty sure you already do this, if not, then start. Easier to track back the time of disturbance that way.

Good idea, I haven't done this in a while. Just tried it, but something goes wrong. Hmmm...
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« Reply #105 on: February 17, 2017, 03:26:33 PM »
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).

this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
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« Reply #106 on: February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 AM »
this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
I think Neven had tried to have that done, but there was some tech issues with it or whatever. I just simply deleted part of this quote to shorten it. It can't be that difficult if I can do it.

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« Reply #107 on: February 18, 2017, 12:43:52 AM »
a few weeks ao I pm'd someone who had started an off topic conversation in the freezing season thread .. his response .. to open a new thread and appreciate my motives .. this saved a conversation to stop a conversation .. and might be usefully used in moderation .. :)
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« Reply #108 on: February 18, 2017, 12:50:27 AM »
this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
I think Neven had tried to have that done, but there was some tech issues with it or whatever. I just simply deleted part of this quote to shorten it. It can't be that difficult if I can do it.

yes i thinks so too, you're right i should have mentioned :-) thanks for jumping in :D
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« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2017, 04:42:22 AM »
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"

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« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2017, 05:10:19 AM »
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"
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« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2017, 09:30:30 AM »
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"

Good idea. I squeezed in the word 'extremes' in as well.
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« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2017, 05:36:12 PM »
I would like to see a place on the forum for FAQs. The only think I have seen like it is the Glossary thread in the Arctic Sea Ice forum. It would be useful to have introductory info on a variety of topics, such as the various satellites and their sensors: what agency is responsible for them, when were they launched, what sensors are on board, what are the characteristics of the sensors (bands, etc.) and what are they useful for?

Anyone who used Usenet News back in the days before AOL and everyone joined the Internet remembers how it used to be in the technical groups (comp.unix.shell, for instance). Serious people were on those forums, and if you were a newbie and asked some question whose answer was readily available in the FAQ, etc., the only answer you would get would be "RTFM". Everyone was expected to have done that before taking part in discussions.

The trouble with the forum format for FAQs is that even in a thread like the Glossary one, useful information is buried down in the thread as additional posts are added, and those are discussed, etc. What I think would be better would be to have a certain person responsible for each FAQ thread, and the original post in the thread would be updated over time so everything would be in that first post.

Once we had a good set of FAQs, we could start telling people "RTFM" instead of wasting a lot of space in the main forums answering the same questions over and over again.

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« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2017, 07:38:43 PM »
I have been reading this forum for about 4 years now on a daily basis.  I haven't contributed a whole lot, but I have found the ASIF to be the best place to get real time insights into the Arctic and climate science in general.

Over the last few months, I feel that the ability to follow daily observations and measurements has been made much more cumbersome by a flood of commentary.  Commentary is of course interesting and keeps the forums active, but it gets in the way of the presentation of observations, which is the main reason I come here.  I think what has happened to the IJIS thread that Espen has dutifully updated since 2013 is especially discouraging.  I suspect many other lurkers may feel the same.

My suggestion is to have separate sticky threads for different kinds of observations, which ideally would be moderated to limit posts to the topic.  These could potentially include:

2017 Arctic satellite imagery
2017 Arctic buoy/ship observations
2017 NSIDC data
2017 JAXA data
2017 UBremen data
2017 PIOMAS/volume data
2017 short range (0-6 day) weather forecasts

While those threads can include comments on the data itself, posts making predictions, extrapolating data into the future, critiquing the usefulness of the metric, or otherwise discussing thoughts and feelings would be excluded.  I think the monthly polls and image of the day threads can be made unsticky, in order to reduce clutter.

I understand the thought process behind trying to keep the 2017 melt season thread on topic. However, my feeling is that as the forum grows in popularity, it will have to accommodate an open thread somewhere.  The generic melt season thread has become the catch-all for various thoughts and feelings, which dilute the most interesting posts (especially weather forecasts).  So my suggestion is to split out the most relevant and interesting posts, and lessen the moderation on the melting season thread.

These are just my humble thoughts.  In any case, I appreciate Neven's efforts in maintaining this wonderful little corner of the internet.




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« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2017, 10:20:27 PM »
 I think Neven does a great job running this forum and has been more than patient with us lately. I always welcome moderation if I get too extreme in my comments. I have undertaken projects for financial gain and had less patience, much less him doing this voluntarily. I think everyone here should have respect for him or at some point move on, and without a big announcement please.

I might make one suggestion, or maybe two. Maybe start having a longer probation period on new members before their comments post automatically. Second, if someone insults you personally, let Jim Pettit or someone else deal with them. You are too gracious sometimes. Only suggestions, as you are in charge, but please don't let things go so far that you get frustrated.

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« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2017, 10:27:22 PM »
Over the last few months, I feel that the ability to follow daily observations and measurements has been made much more cumbersome by a flood of commentary.  Commentary is of course interesting and keeps the forums active, but it gets in the way of the presentation of observations, which is the main reason I come here.  I think what has happened to the IJIS thread that Espen has dutifully updated since 2013 is especially discouraging.  I suspect many other lurkers may feel the same.

I'm sorry about that, sedziobs. The Forum has grown quite a bit (almost 1300 members now) and so it gets more difficult to keep everything in check. Thankfully Jim Pettit now helps out as a moderator. Maybe we could use one more moderator.

It was never my intention to take away my focus and energy from the ASIB and direct it towards the job of policeman on the ASIF. I wanted to be lenient to überalarmists because it's always good to have people present alternate viewpoints and go out on a limb. Unfortunately, this exploratory mindset is often accompanied by a big ego and a Galileo-complex, and going out on a limb on a forum that is already quite alarmist by nature (ie what binds people here, is their worry over Arctic sea ice loss) is flirting with überalarmism at best.

I've decided to be less lenient in the future. Not when it comes to alternate viewpoints and 'going out on a limb', but towards the inability to deal with pushback and resorting to verbal conflict, flinging generalisations and strawmen and whining about being persecuted.

I've banned two persons today (accompanied by apologies and the suggestion to go to Guy McPherson's forum), and more may follow.

My suggestion is to have separate sticky threads for different kinds of observations, which ideally would be moderated to limit posts to the topic.  These could potentially include:

2017 Arctic satellite imagery
2017 Arctic buoy/ship observations
2017 NSIDC data
2017 JAXA data
2017 UBremen data
2017 PIOMAS/volume data
2017 short range (0-6 day) weather forecasts

It's a good suggestion, but I'm afraid the same problem of people posting long off-topic rants would occur eventually. It also means someone has to open all these threads, and when someone opens them, he is more or less responsible for them. I don't have time for that kind of responsibility. The unnecessary bickering of the past few weeks has cost me many precious hours already (and I'm still working like crazy and doing all kinds of physical work in and around the house, just happy I'm not sawing my fingers off or dropping a big stone on my toes  ;) ).

No, all that info/observation/analysis has to stay in the melting season threads, and off-topic rants are off-limits there. That's easiest for me to moderate.

I think the monthly polls and image of the day threads can be made unsticky, in order to reduce clutter.

That's a good idea. I'll unsticky the polls as soon as the voting period has ended. I kind of like the Image of the day thread because of its creative and esthetic appeal, and it would be a shame if it would slowly disappear.

These are just my humble thoughts.  In any case, I appreciate Neven's efforts in maintaining this wonderful little corner of the internet.

Thanks, I'll try to keep this place as pleasant and informative as possible.
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« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2017, 10:32:25 PM »
I think Neven does a great job running this forum and has been more than patient with us lately. I always welcome moderation if I get too extreme in my comments. I have undertaken projects for financial gain and had less patience, much less him doing this voluntarily. I think everyone here should have respect for him or at some point move on, and without a big announcement please.

Thanks, Tigertown. I also often say to folks: Maybe this just isn't the place for you. Why don't you go find some other forum?

I might make one suggestion, or maybe two. Maybe start having a longer probation period on new members before their comments post automatically.

Usually, those first three posts show me to what broad category someone belongs. I usually don't release profiles of deniers/skeptics right away, but I'm going to do the same if I fear someone may be überalarmist. Thanks for the tip.

Second, if someone insults you personally, let Jim Pettit or someone else deal with them. You are too gracious sometimes. Only suggestions, as you are in charge, but please don't let things go so far that you get frustrated.

I don't care about insults, it's the Internet. I've also insulted people in the past. It's only natural that it comes back to me.  ;D

Viddaloo had the best insults, by the way. Nazi this, nazi that.  ;)

PS Sorry for 'lashing out' a bit at your analogy in the melting season thread yesterday. The whole thing has been getting to me lately, and I tried to steer the thread back with a long, counterproductive rant of my own.
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« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2017, 10:48:32 PM »
Once upon a time I had a book entitled "Put Downs" that contained famous insults. E.g. Lady Astor to Winston Churchill "Winston, you are drunk!". Winston to Lady Astor "Yes, madam. And you are ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober."
Of course, someone stole the book.

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« Reply #118 on: July 27, 2017, 10:55:25 PM »
I come here daily and only lurk, as I have no expertise in this matter other than what I have picked up in the forum. I am just an interested and frightened observer of what we are doing to the world. It seems to me that Greatdying2 went a little off the rails in this past week, maybe well off the rails, but otherwise has been a valuable contributor.  These are very trying times, particularly in the U.S. right now (I don't know where GD2 is from), and people are falling apart everywhere. Neven runs a terrific forum and let me be the first to support him in his volunteer efforts to police the place, but a suggestion I would make is to maybe give a person a cooling off period before the ban. I seem to remember this happening in the past with a commenter who was quite persistent and grating.

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« Reply #119 on: July 27, 2017, 11:07:26 PM »
That works with people who go off-topic a lot (like abottisgone), but not with people who are passionate about their ideas. They will continue to hold grudges, I fear.

But on the face of it, it might be good to ban people until the melting season is over. I don't know, I'll try and think about it before banning someone.
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« Reply #120 on: July 27, 2017, 11:14:06 PM »
A temporary ban as a warning before a permanent ban can be a very useful tool, as the person in question might be finally alerted to the severity of the situation and might therefore change for the better.
And big thanks to Neven. This amazing place is my number one reading material on the Internet.

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« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2017, 11:48:12 PM »
I second Oren .. this is a precious place with some wonderful contributors . I am grateful to everyone who brings knowledge and insight to a fast changing environment and to Neven for hosting us in the midst of life's pressures .
I have been barred twice elsewhere for challenging deniers before i found my home here . It isn't fun . Second chances may be appreciated ..
 
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« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2017, 11:55:23 PM »
Okay, I've unbanned one of two persons I've banned today. We worked it out behind the scenes.  :)

That's a 50% reduction, folks.
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« Reply #123 on: July 28, 2017, 12:12:29 AM »
I say ban him. Definitely unhinged.  ;D
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« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2017, 12:31:38 AM »
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people are falling apart everywhere

You can say that again. That subject could make up a thread on its own. We can't let our anger and frustration ever get the best of us. Once you do so, it is hard to stop. I try to think what can happen as soon as I start feeling anger or resentment, and keep my composure. I bet the Switzerland chainsaw man wishes he had stopped to think for a minute.

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« Reply #125 on: July 28, 2017, 01:16:31 AM »
These are very trying times, particularly in the U.S. right now (I don't know where GD2 is from), and people are falling apart everywhere.

Indeed:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/23/new_york_times_demands_apology_from_fox_friends_for_malicious_al_baghdadi.html
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« Reply #126 on: July 28, 2017, 10:21:43 AM »
 ;) I'd suggest inserting "US", "United States" and similar phrases to the list of banned words in any posts. "Trumpistan" should still be allowed if some insist talking politics. The US is quickly becoming irrelevant on the matter of climate change, but the Trumpistan policies of destroying the arctic habitat and sinking the low lying lands are still relevant.
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« Reply #127 on: August 05, 2017, 09:13:02 PM »
I make a suggestion:
Please in the following weeks can we somehow convince those who did prophecies/projections/speculations that seemingly come to happen, in whatever direction, to please refrain from posting messages of the sort "I thusly informed you" "I knew better" or the likes.
Not only they look utterly ridiculous, or their ego-driven argumentations are painful to the eyes.
The major problem: I for one can't refute their wrong arguments because it becomes an off-topic discussion very soon.

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« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2017, 09:45:47 PM »
I (and Jim too) have made some efforts recently to put a cap on that kind of polarizing stuff. We will continue to do so, but not at every turn. It depends.
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« Reply #129 on: August 05, 2017, 11:27:51 PM »
... prophecies/projections/speculations that seemingly come to happen ...
Fortunately, I've only stumbled onto (predicted) a 'measured truth' on these threads only once.  I may have crowed, but I'm sure I did so knowing its context.   

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« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2017, 12:25:04 AM »
I (and Jim too) have made some efforts recently to put a cap on that kind of polarizing stuff. We will continue to do so, but not at every turn. It depends.
Thank you. The impossibility of responding without immediately falling off topic drove me a little bit mad, and opening a new thread felt excessive.
Well, never-mind, this forum runs nicely without unnecessary confrontation.