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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2013, 01:02:00 AM »
Wow, that's hot!

Meanwhile, the first named tropical depression has hit Florida and is currently very visible (and beautiful, in its own way) on the wind map:

http://hint.fm/wind/
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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2013, 01:21:29 PM »
Wow, that's hot!

Meanwhile, the first named tropical depression has hit Florida and is currently very visible (and beautiful, in its own way) on the wind map:

http://hint.fm/wind/

Andrea put down a lot of rain here in my part of Florida. It's unusual but not unheard of for a tropical system to hit FL for this time of year.

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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2013, 11:20:03 PM »
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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/12/homes-continue-to-burn-in-black-canyon-fire/
Oouaou, that's hot !

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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2013, 06:55:23 PM »
Alaska--well, parts of it--are going to be a little toasty for a while. The official word:

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK
930 PM AKDT WED JUN 12 2013

...RECORD SETTING HEAT POSSIBLE NEXT WEEK...

WEATHER PREDICTION MODELS ARE INDICATING A MASSIVE WARM AIR SURGE
INTO NORTHERN ALASKA BEGINNING FRIDAY. A LARGE RIDGE OF HIGH
PRESSURE WILL FORM OVER MOST ALL OF MAINLAND ALASKA FRIDAY AND
THEN CONTINUE TO BUILD STRONGER THROUGH NEXT WEEK.

THE ONLY THING THAT MAY BREAK UP THE HEAT FOR THE EASTERN INTERIOR
WOULD BE A WEAK COLD FRONT MOVING SOUTHWARD FROM THE ARCTIC COAST
ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY BEFORE TEMPERATURES CLIMB BACK UP AGAIN
ON TUESDAY.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MONDAY...IT APPEARS THAT MANY LOCATIONS IN
NORTHERN ALASKA WILL CLIMB WELL INTO THE UPPER 80S AND SOME AREAS
WILL CROSS OVER INTO THE LOWER 90S THROUGH NEXT WEEK. THE MODELS SHOW
NO RELIEF IN STORE THROUGH AT LEAST THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND...BUT
LIKELY WELL BEYOND THEN GIVEN THE RIDGE IS FORECASTED TO
REMAIN OVER NORTHERN ALASKA.

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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2013, 06:58:15 PM »
Oouaou, that's hot !

The Black Forest fire is now the most destructive in Colorado history, having destroyed nearly 400 homes, with many more in peril--and the fire is still burning wildly out of control. Notable: the previous most destructive fire in Colorado history was the Waldo Canyon fire, which happened just 11 months ago.

"Oouaou" indeed...  :-\


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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2013, 05:40:27 PM »
Why NASA’s latest photo of Alaska is freaking people out.

“The same ridge of high pressure that cleared Alaska's skies also brought stifling temperatures to many areas accustomed to chilly June days. Talkeetna, a town about 100 miles north of Anchorage, saw temperatures reach 96°F on June 17. Other towns in southern Alaska set all-time record highs, including Cordova, Valez, and Seward. The high temperatures also helped fuel wildfires and hastened the breakup of sea ice in the Chukchi Sea.”

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« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2013, 04:06:52 AM »
Before and after photos of current flooding in Alberta, Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/before-after/alberta-floods/
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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2013, 11:26:44 AM »
Nadym in Siberia had snow on June14th, the day after temperatures hit 30C:

http://www.euronews.com/nocomment/2013/06/15/heavy-snow-blankets-the-siberian-town-of-nadym/

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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2013, 12:14:04 AM »
Thanks, Anonymouse, that's a great article on the bubble. I had read about this with regard to the Bakken fields some time ago.

Maybe a bit OT.
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« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2013, 01:54:24 AM »
Back-to-back damaging wind storms in the upper midwest. Many neighborhoods near me were inaccessible because there were so many trees down in the roads. Hundreds of thousands without power, many probably for many days.
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« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2013, 09:35:51 PM »
Collection of media video reports on youtube Extreme Weather Events and Earth Changes covers period 2013-01 ... 05.
Possible that will continue with June ...

More (putting aside off-topics there) on FIDOCKAVE213 channel.

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« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2013, 02:35:41 AM »
Lynn,
sorrry for the late reply, I agree the article is a bit OT, and thanks for the reminder :).  I should have posted the link elsewhere.
As penance, I offer another article. The flooding in Calgary has been news for nearly a week now, but the kicker line for me was this: 
          "The provincial government says this is the worst flooding in Alberta history. There are   
            now 25 communities that have declared a local state of emergency."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Live+blog+Alberta+Floods+2013/8550481/story.html

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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2013, 03:04:05 AM »
ivica,
Regarding your first link, sad to say that it seems to me these are not signs of the end, but the beginning, but YMMV. The sooner these events are seen as global instead of just local, the better.  Terrible things have always happened, but (this tends to be my refrain) the frequency, the SPEED, of this global change and the apparently increasing number of events being reported is what interests me. 
I cannot discount that the increased reach of global communications over the past decade or so have been tremendous, and that we might now be hearing about events that may not have reached the local news in earlier times.  What is worrisome is that they all seem to be news because they are so unusual in their respective areas.
Thank you for the links, they are very welcome on this thread (if Neven allows  :-\).  Stories and narratives are how humans generally process information. And the human narrative might be useful.
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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2013, 04:10:51 AM »
"Or other stories about climate change" really does leave this thread wide open, doesn't it? Financial speculators trying to make a killing from crop failures is a story and a half!
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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2013, 04:57:48 AM »
Lynn,
Ayup.
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« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2013, 03:29:48 PM »
All this flooding in Calgary Alberta has caused damage that will take a whole decade to fix, costing Canadian taxpayers across the country billions. Is it ironic that this is the home province of the Tar Sands? Is it ironic that the footings of a rail bridge were unseated and a train derailed on it, carrying fluids that at first were reported as unknown, but now it's come out they were petrochemicals used in extracting oil from the tar sands?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/06/26/f-climate-change-flooding-weather-preparation.html]
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"Canada is currently the only G8 country where people cannot buy insurance for overland flooding. Private insurers cover sewage backup, but won't offer flood protection because the small population base of Canada means it's difficult for the companies to cover the cost of their risk. As a result, provincial and federal governments foot the bill for large-scale floods, meaning all taxpayers are on the hook.
"We all agree that there is a new reality now, which is climate change," said Canadian Federation of Municipalities president Claude Dauphin. "Unfortunately, those that have to pay the bills are taxpayers or property owners."
A 2010 report by the insurance industry’s Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction recommended that Canada adopt the United Kingdom model — where the private sector offers flood insurance on the condition that the federal government take steps to mitigate disaster."
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« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2013, 04:06:40 AM »
I live in beaver country on the Canadian Shield. Interesting that this ecologist points to global warming in his presentations to landowners and townships on managing beavers and the flooding that happens when their dams unexpectedly break down. This story was printed in our tiny independent newspaper this week:

Weather variability is increasing. There are two major causes. First, there is more heat energy in our lower atmosphere. Second, that increase in energy causes increased evaporation of water. That puts more water into the atmosphere and that water carries all the energy that caused it to evaporate. More water and more energy means more energy-filled rain storms.

The variability that we are seeing is much greater than variability in weather of the previous several decades. Engineers are beavering along with outdated handbooks and formulas based on those previous lower variability decades. At the same time, beavers have been multiplying and their engineering has not accounted for the more severe rain storms that we see now and will continue to see.

Hundred-year floodplain maps are now outdated. If you have structures on the 100-year floodplain, plan on being threatened and probably flooded much more often, possibly at 20 or even 10-year intervals rather than 100-year. If the culvert under your road is too small for the heavy rainstorms, prepare for a washout. Don't let the beavers stack up a huge volume of water above the culvert and expect increased costs to bring culverts and bridges up to higher flow capacities.

Gray Merriam, Ph.D., D.Sc., Professor Emeritus in Landscape Ecology and Environmental Science, has published over fifty scientific papers and chapters in international journals and volumes.

http://www.specialplaces.ca/discovering-natural-processes-beauty-in-natures-ways/gray-merriam/
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« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2013, 04:27:41 AM »
This happened in April, but for some reason is only now being reported in the media. "Freak Afghan hailstorm grounded scores of NATO helicopters"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/freak-afghan-hailstorm-helicopters.

And in some form of poetic justice...

The half-hour storm in late April split rotor blades, cracked windows, ruptured the choppers' metal skin and damaged other parts. The hail was so intense that after an intensive repair programme eight of the choppers were still inoperable more than three weeks later, according to a NATO spokesman.


They say that hailstorms are not unprecedented, but it seems that the only recent such incident they could cite happened some.... 1000 years ago.
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« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2013, 08:41:40 PM »
The Climate Show has a new episode up.

The Climate Show 34: Four Hiroshima bombs a second


Always a good summary of current climate news stories with a slight NZ slant with Gareth Renowden, John Cook (Skeptical Science) and Glen Williams.

Includes segments on the weird jet stream effects in the Northern Hemisphere, The Consensus project and also an interview with Bill McKibben (350.org).

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« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2013, 12:50:13 AM »
Thanks for that, RoS. Do you have a linky for that video??
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« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2013, 08:29:16 AM »
Here you go:
http://hot-topic.co.nz/the-climate-show-34-four-hiroshima-bombs-a-second/
All the links to video, audio & all the show notes are there.

Also includes a interview with Bill McKibben.

Yes only a teeeensy Australasian slant, just the accents & the sports banter.
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« Reply #74 on: July 02, 2013, 12:00:36 PM »
Thanks Clare for passing the link on.  It's on my must watch Youtube channels, The climate stories raised are usually global (and discussed well) even if the banter isnt  ;D

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« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2013, 12:46:50 AM »
And a "smoke advisory" from Weather Canada in rural southeastern Ontario – from the Arizona fires!
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« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2013, 03:14:16 PM »
Might be from all the fires in Quebec and Ontario too.

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« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2013, 03:25:43 PM »
Canada fires in the 48 hours to July 3 2013 from MODIS.

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« Reply #78 on: July 04, 2013, 02:48:46 AM »
You're both correct. Yesterday I phoned my neighbour who's on the volunteer fire department to see if he knew about the fire that was causing the weather report to say 'local smoke'. His wife said it was Arizona fires, but I think that was just her best guess. I've since found out about the fires north of us.
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« Reply #79 on: July 04, 2013, 05:35:09 PM »
Some links to wildfire maps.

The US  (click on "Open full map")

http://www.esri.com/services/disaster-response/wildlandfire/latest-news-map

another one

http://fires.globalincidentmap.com/home.php

Global maps

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/GlobalMaps/

a REALLY cool one (click anywhere for enlargement) check Siberia.  There is no one to put these fires out.

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/imagery/firemaps/firemap.2013171-2013180.4096x2048.jpg

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« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2013, 12:10:47 AM »
More than a foot of hail hits a New Mexico town, despite the heat wave:

http://www.weather.com/news/two-feet-hail-new-mexico-town-20130704




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« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2013, 01:28:19 PM »
Perhaps not that weird or extreme, but there's a chance Ireland could top 30C today, an occurrence that generally happens less the once per decade at official stations. What's interesting now, is that it seems likely to going to happen despite below average SSTs all around the country.
The last time we reached 30C+ was in July 2006, so a less than once in a decade warmth could occur twice in 8 years during the next few days.

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« Reply #82 on: July 09, 2013, 02:31:20 PM »
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dramatic-photos-show-parts-of-toronto-underwater-1.1358806

Parts of Toronto Under Water; Nearly 1 Million Without Power
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« Reply #83 on: July 09, 2013, 09:16:54 PM »
And the people of Calgary and Toronto continue to repeat "It is just the weather not climate change. Sell more tar sands"

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« Reply #84 on: July 09, 2013, 10:00:48 PM »
And the people of Calgary and Toronto continue to repeat "It is just the weather not climate change. Sell more tar sands"

Not this Canadian, thank you very much. We have a prime minister who's as much in the pocket of the oil biz as Bush II was. The trouble with this country's political system is sort of the opposite of the US's, which has only two parties to choose from that aren't even different enough. We have three more or less liberal-to-left parties that divide up the non-right-wing vote, so we wind up electing a conservative party even though they got far from half the popular vote.
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« Reply #85 on: July 09, 2013, 10:08:25 PM »
http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_976_en.html
GENEVA 3 July 2013 - The world experienced unprecedented high-impact climate extremes during the 2001-2010 decade, which was the warmest since the start of modern measurements in 1850 and continued an extended period of pronounced global warming. More national temperature records were reported broken than in any previous decade, according to a new report by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO).

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« Reply #86 on: July 09, 2013, 10:25:12 PM »
Lynn,
Unfortunately all parties with official status in parliament have policies which actively promote tar sands development and don't have policies which discourage mining and burning coal. They represent the vast majority of people who bothered to vote.

We have only our collective selves to blame.

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« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2013, 03:26:58 AM »
We have only our collective selves to blame.

In general, I heartily agree. Some of us are a bit touchy on the subject of the tar sands.
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« Reply #88 on: July 10, 2013, 04:06:21 AM »
We have only our collective selves to blame.


In general, I heartily agree. Some of us are a bit touchy on the subject of the tar sands.

Uh, no. Unless you have forgotten this: (there are actual culprits. Ones you did not elect)

Senate vote to kill Climate Act disrespects Canadians and democracy from the David Suzuki Foundation, November 19, 2010.

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« Reply #89 on: July 10, 2013, 03:13:30 PM »
Thanks Lodger. I cave too easily when up against the wall.
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« Reply #90 on: July 10, 2013, 04:01:07 PM »
Thanks Lodger. I cave too easily when up against the wall.

de nada, Lynn.

Never forget, it's the fossil fools that run this scam. Toronto is a clean, progressive City. Now if there was just some way to clean up Bay Street...

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« Reply #92 on: July 10, 2013, 05:23:43 PM »
Slightly encouraging, after my depressed post yesterday, several media outlets included coverage of how the extreme rain events are expected to be more frequent because of climate change. First step to recovery is to stop denying.

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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2013, 06:58:05 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wildfire-warning-heatwave-death-toll-as-high-as-760--and-farms-at-risk-8716639.html

760 people thought to have been killed after six straight days of 30C heat in UK

People (not on this forum) keep commenting that 30C is nothing compared to some parts of the world, and indeed it isn't. But it's not what we are used to here in the UK. Our houses aren't built to screen the sun; most people don't have air conditioning. Nor are their bodies accustomed to such constant high temperature. So it takes its toll on human physiology - and indeed on infrastructure. (Emergency treatment to melting tarmacadam, railway misery.)

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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2013, 08:50:18 PM »
Anne,

Those temperatures are quite dangerous, if humidity is high! Activity needs to be limited. Here is a link to a Navy publication on heat stress.

http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Pages/acquisition/heat_stress.aspx

Here, you can find the actual protocol and limits  for activity it is in chapter B2(about 60% of the way down):

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/Directives/05000%20General%20Management%20Security%20and%20Safety%20Services/05-100%20Safety%20and%20Occupational%20Health%20Services/5100.19E%20-%20Volume%20I%20Part%20I.pdf


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« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2013, 01:05:10 AM »
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/grass-fires-break-out-in-london-as-heat-wave-bakes-britain-394575

Grass fires breaking out, as epic heat wave rages on in England. I read that the death toll is up to 900 now. A lot of the articles are describing the heat wave as unexpected and surprising, I wonder if the deniers don't bear some of the blame for these deaths. They have been harassing the Met Office for years over its BBQ summer forecasts when climate-change caused unexpected heavy downpours and flooding in each of the past few summers. Now England is getting another true BBQ summer, like 2003 and 2006, and people are once again dieing!

These deniers don't seem to understand that rain and flooding does not equal cold. Call me when a summer is in the bottom 10% of the CET temperature, and then we'll start talking about AGW being false.

Wunderground shows no relief in sight, with temperatures between 27 and 32C for the next ten days in London!

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Re: Weird Weather or other stories about climate change
« Reply #97 on: July 20, 2013, 07:47:21 PM »
Vergent,

Yes, absolutely humidity is a big aggravating factor. It's too facile to quote temperature tout court, but that's the media for you. It's always humid here in the UK. Today at home, where it hasn't rained for over three weeks, it is 60% according to our gimcrack home weather station.

BTW, your tagline made me laugh when I checked the translation. It's what they call dark humour.  Are you really from Iceland?

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Re: Weird Weather or other stories about climate change
« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2013, 03:45:55 PM »
Unusual Siberian heat.  I note from the article that Norilsk has had a record high of 90 F (and also a record low of minus 90 F).  Yikes! 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/siberia-heat_n_3660212.html
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Re: Weird Weather or other stories about climate change
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2013, 05:23:20 PM »
Weather Underground’s weather historian Christopher Burt’s blog entry on July 22 about the current Russian heat wave:

The extraordinary and perhaps unprecedented heat wave continues in the central arctic region of Russia. Some locations have now endured 10 consecutive days above 30°C (86°F). Wildfires are erupting in the taiga forests (see more about this in the comments section following this blog). Norilsk maximum daily temperatures have cooled down a little, but yesterday (July 23rd) it enjoyed its warmest night so far with a low of 20.2°C (68.4°F).


http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=177
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