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Here is to be a animation showing the tongue separation / calving in August - September 2012:

Since I have problems uploading this animation (load-restrictions?) it is 2,3 mb only ::)

You can see it here hopefully! If not please report back ;)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_a0Tecpig0jTkFvbkpUMEI4VGs/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: Zachariae Glacier / North East Greenland
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 01:43:32 PM »
It works just fine.  Thanks!
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Re: Zachariae Glacier / North East Greenland
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 05:03:02 PM »

Zachariae Ice Stream June 17 2013 note all the late 2012 icebergs yellow dots, terminus position which has retreated since July 2012 and the rift that promises to release more icebergs as soon as the ice has cleared.

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Re: Zachariae Glacier / North East Greenland
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 05:20:32 PM »
Mauri,

It looks like we actually had a calving in July 2012, and I think it can be seen on this animation, where the calved piece is moved forth and back:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_a0Tecpig0jTkFvbkpUMEI4VGs/edit?usp=sharing
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 11:19:39 PM »
As Mauri noted above there is action to be watched this season, there was a calving event last season on August 20 2012, this is clearly seen on the 3 following image:
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Re: Zachariae Glacier / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 11:24:07 AM »
Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden update:

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Re: Zachariae Glacier / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2013, 07:34:52 PM »
As advised earlier today the break up of fast ice in North East Greenland is now in progress:

The quality of the image, is due to the fact it is a swath image. :-[

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Re: Zachariae Glacier / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2013, 08:18:59 PM »
Just from the oven:

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Re: Zachariae Glacier / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 11:11:53 PM »
Here you find some evidence that the melting season in some places is ahead of 2012:

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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 09:37:17 PM »
A composite Landsat Image of the Zachariae Calving 2012:

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 09:37:23 PM »
A composite Landsat Image of the Zachariae Calving 2012:

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2013, 11:41:18 PM »
Evening Espen,
From what I saw on r03c03 tonight, I'd say the Zachariae is losing some big calvings. Can you get a similar image on '13?

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2013, 11:53:34 PM »
Hi Werther;

Where do you this calving *)? And what do mean with on 13?

*) Are you thinking about the break up of fast ice outside Zachariae?
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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 02:13:45 PM »
Lots of calving off the front of ZIS as the large rift noted early this summer has peeled off as of July 23.

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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2013, 06:51:22 PM »
Places to be observed during the Indian Summer in the NE:

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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2013, 08:27:45 PM »
The shattering and rapid eastward flow of the chunks of ice along the north coast towards the head of the Fram has been spectacular in the last few days.

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2013, 08:34:42 PM »
Ghoti;

Yes it is a very interesting part of the Arctic, at least IMHO! ;)
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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2013, 01:40:13 PM »
Is 79 or Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden on the move a certain crack pattern in front of the glacier may indicate so? Have a look.

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2013, 03:38:31 PM »
We all know about the famous Petermann and what headlines she is creating when calving, but compared to Zacharia Glacier she a minor in that discipline, estimated loss of Glacier surface / area at Zachariae is somewhere in the region of +/- 1,850 km2 between 1976 and 2013, where as Petermann "only" calved some +/- 400 km2.
Petermann may win the sideline competition when it comes to volume?

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 05:25:47 PM »
Some fresh Zachariae calving:

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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2013, 05:37:14 PM »
How long can that aborted tongue last with warmer waters able to attack from both sides?

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2013, 07:36:01 PM »
Probably quite a few years depending of the thickness?!
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2013, 10:18:12 PM »
If melting is a "problem" elsewhere, I am pretty sure we have action in the Jøkelbugt/Zachariae area *). The delta area (between Zachariae Glacier and her aborted daughter "The tongue") there is a lot of motion not seen in the satellite era. Out in the sea we only have a little left of fast ice island,  but remember this fast ice disappearance happened before:

Todays images from Modis are too cloudy :-\

*) As reported by Yuha, one of our movement spotters, see above! ;)

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2013, 10:37:35 PM »
Notice on the image above from Jøkelbugt 2003, the Delta Area (click on the image to enlarge) is not that developed, and Spaltegletscher north of 79 is reaching much further north, than today.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2013, 04:59:44 PM »
More action from Zachariae, the glacier retreated substantially since 2012, I will make an animation later. Notice how little is left of the fast ice of the coast compared to 2102. I may be the first year in about 10 years Belgica Bank will be without it.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2013, 10:40:00 AM »
Further retreat of Zachariae Isstrøm in August seen from this Landsat image animation:

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013, 11:37:01 AM »
Spaltegletscher part of Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden ( 79 ) Gletscher could soon calve a major part of what is left of that gletscher, a large crack is observed across the glacier (+/- 6 km) and there is only 1.7 km to go before it reach an opposite crack. The images below show the glacier and below that a close up of the crack.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2013, 04:14:07 PM »
More evidence of retreat at Zachariae Glacier, this time the southern part of the glacier:

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2013, 01:05:13 PM »
Interesting action is seen at Zachariae Glacier, the ice in front of the new established calving front is now being cleared, this has not been seen since satellite image were available, this is where the Red Arrow is located.

Further south at Sanddal (Sand Valley) a heavy flow of silt (sandy alluvium) is clearly seen (Green Arrow).

Opposite most other places in the arctic, big changes are seen in this area.

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2013, 05:52:52 PM »
Would this heavy flow of silt be evidence of a large volume of basal melt water flowing out from under the land ice? What has the melt season looked like in this region of Greenland?

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« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2013, 06:08:20 PM »
If someone asked me, whats up in Grenland? My answer would definitely be Zachariae Isstrøm / Glacier. For the first time in satellite and recent history there will be open sea in front of this glacier, last year the main glacier was separated from its original tongue to the ocean.
Why did this happen? My answer would be, I know some will disagree, it is due to lack of surface flow from GIS in this area, none of the glaciers in this relative large area from L. Ibstrup Bræ / Storstrømmen in the south to Kofoed-Hansen, Blæsebræ, Gammel Hellerup Gletscher, Zachariae Isstrøm, Nioghalvfjerdfjorden and Spaltegletscher in the north are showing signs of movements seen from above (landsat), all actions, in my opinion is coming from below, but what is the reason for this? 

In the image below I want you to study the area marked with GREEN until the real sea freeze begins, later this month.
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2013, 06:13:24 PM »
Would this heavy flow of silt be evidence of a large volume of basal melt water flowing out from under the land ice? What has the melt season looked like in this region of Greenland?

Hope I answered some of your ?s
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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2013, 06:32:08 PM »
I am sorry to bother you again but I find this is very important (the latest image):
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2013, 07:17:53 PM »
Aprox. Zachariae before 1980 green area:
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2013, 01:59:46 AM »
Would this heavy flow of silt be evidence of a large volume of basal melt water flowing out from under the land ice? What has the melt season looked like in this region of Greenland?

Hope I answered some of your ?s

Actually raised more than you answered but I think my questions should be on the "Stupid Questions" thread.

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2013, 08:35:37 AM »
Although the melting seems to be over, action is still taking place in the Arctic Area, at Zachariae Glacier, a new bay " Zachariae Bay" is born in front of the Glacier, as you can see from this animation from September 5 to 16, the debris and ice  (Sep 5) from the glacier is now flushed out, that can be seen under the light clouds on the September 16 image.
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2013, 10:35:12 AM »
Another Landsat animation showing the action between Aug. 21 2013 and Sept. 9 2013.

Apart from the retreat / calving south of Kap Zachariae, a surge movement at the glacier is also seen:

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2013, 10:52:20 AM »
Another closer look around Kap Zachariae:
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2013, 08:10:27 PM »
First clear image from Modis in a long time, and the creation of a new bay "Zachariea Bugt" is in progress:

 
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2013, 11:32:25 AM »
Aug 24 - Sep 9 2013
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 07:20:46 PM »
Zachariae Bay development in progress:
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2013, 07:59:12 PM »
Is the tongue disintegrating right before our eyes?

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« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2013, 10:43:41 PM »
It is not over yet!
Exiting stuff is happening right now, "Zachariae Bay" in front of Zachariae Isstrøm is cleared from ice and other "hard" water debris, this never happened before in modern history, at least not in the satellite age and probably much longer back.
It will be interesting to see if this retreat action will accelerate as I suspect or it will result in a surge which I doubt.
I also expect the X-Zachariae Tongue to get beaten up from both sides in the next few seasons.
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2013, 06:12:15 PM »
You thought it was over? No Wipneus came up with some really amazing stuff, now we can retrieve images from Landsat you didn't know existed , and they look like you clicked them from a low flying Cesna, I my self believe these images are game changer when it comes to observe glaciers, GIS etc.
What is your opinion. And on top of the above fact, this image below proof Zachariae is now divided into 2 pieces: The Glacier and its X-tongue:

Look at the details they are just out this world.
Thanks again to Wipneus for this new tool.


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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2013, 01:22:21 PM »
New images are coming in from our Lab in the Netherlands:

Kap Zachariae / Lambert Land / North East Greenland

Notice the huge difference between 2000 and 2013, 1600 km2 of Glacier ice disappeared or almost 20 times the size of Manhattan or 8 times what Jakobshavn (the big star) lost and almost 3 times as much as the other darling Petermann lost in the same period.
But Zachariae did that with almost no notice.
Some experts even say it is business as usual?

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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2013, 03:11:56 PM »
These images are great, I think I can see the edge of the ice shelf and the icebergs illuminated by the low sun giving an indication of freebord, or is that an artifact of imageprocessing?
Also interesting is the small ice cap seen, in the light of the Miller at al paper discussed elsewhere on the forum.
Could you comment on what can be seen on more recent IR images, which of course have much lower resolution, but might give an idea how things are changed by less landfast ice. There are plenty of cracks in the ice which is forming in the cold darkness.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/201311160720.NOAA.jpg
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/201311100647.NOAA.jpg
looking for older images for comparison I came acros this: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/200911222149.ASAR.jpg
I have to admit I don't understand what sensor was used and how to interpret this image, but it looks a lot clearer than AVHRR. Can anybody explain?

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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2013, 04:38:58 PM »
Judging by the cumulative meltdays map from here...

http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

NE Greenland has been hotter than most of the rest of the island.

2 questions;

1. Am I misreading that map?

2. If not, isn't it both very odd, and potentially very closely related to the events described above in this thread?

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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2013, 02:30:44 AM »

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/201311160720.NOAA.jpg
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/201311100647.NOAA.jpg
looking for older images for comparison I came acros this: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/images/MODIS/Joekelbugt/200911222149.ASAR.jpg
I have to admit I don't understand what sensor was used and how to interpret this image, but it looks a lot clearer than AVHRR. Can anybody explain?

ASAR was a micro-wave radar sensor system with a resolution of perhaps 150-m;
AVHHR is an infra-red (=thermal) sensor system with spatial resolution of 1000-m at best;
MODIS is an optical/thermal sensor system with a resolution of 250-m at best;
LandSat is an optical/thermal sensor system with a resolution of 15-m at best.
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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2013, 10:12:08 AM »
And to add to Andreas list:

Sentinel-2 from late 2014:
visible, near infrared and shortwave infrared sensors comprising 13 spectral bands: 4 bands at 10 m, 6 bands at 20 m and 3 bands at 60 m spatial resolution , with a swath width of 290 km.
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Re: Zachariae Isstrøm / Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden / North East Greenland
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2013, 02:16:35 PM »
Further firn / glacier retreat.

As can be watched on the animation below, climate and weather changes are not taken its toll only in the sea around Zachariae Isstrøm and Kap Zachariae / Lambert Land *).
A little north of Kap Zachariae a firn (glacier) is found in Misanthropen Fjelde **), the area of this firn has been reduced considerably since 2000, the same happened to several other firns in the area surrounding Zachariae Isstrøm.

*) The name Land van Lambert is found on charts from 1718, and named after ? Lambert, a Dutch whale hunter.

**) Named after the sled dog Misanthropen

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