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Re: Mauna Loa CO2
« Reply #350 on: January 14, 2015, 10:36:19 PM »
Next year in October we'll probably see the last reading below 400ppm for at least a thousand years.

Yes, indeed. I've been writing about this elsewhere: in less than a year, Mauna Loa CO2 will rise above 400 ppm for good for the first time in hundreds of thousands of years--and it will remain there for as long as dozens of generations of descendants of us living today are scurrying about the planet's surface.

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« Reply #351 on: January 14, 2015, 10:45:33 PM »
Quickly to be forgot for ppb's of methane after it hits 3000. Best way to stop worrying about CO2.
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« Reply #352 on: January 19, 2015, 04:08:47 PM »
a note that the weekly value of CO2 has passed 400ppm by a small margin: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_one_month.png

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Re: Mauna Loa CO2
« Reply #353 on: February 04, 2015, 03:10:32 PM »
Forgive me if this has been discussed...

Looking at the Mauna Loa CO2 from last year and this year, the weekly/monthly rise/decline cycle seems fairly smooth, except both years there is a kind of hiccup from January to February.  Is this just noise or is there an underlying mechanism?


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« Reply #354 on: February 04, 2015, 04:21:27 PM »
Forgive me if this has been discussed...

Looking at the Mauna Loa CO2 from last year and this year, the weekly/monthly rise/decline cycle seems fairly smooth, except both years there is a kind of hiccup from January to February.  Is this just noise or is there an underlying mechanism?

crash,

When this was discussed last year, I don't think that any one definitive underlying mechanism was identified; however, off the top of my head some combination of the following two feedback mechanisms are possible candidates:

1) Early Spring-like (mild-Winter) weather can cause a bloom of plant life (including crops like rice) that can temporarily absorb CO2 until the bloom period ends and the decay of the temporary bloomed organic material returns the CO2 back into the atmosphere to once again follow the "smooth curve".  These temporary growth spurts can also include blooms in the desert.

2) In both 2014 and 2015 there were/are borderline El Nino (or El Nino-like) conditions in the Western and Central Tropical Pacific which may (or may not) contribute to either temporary CO2 venting, or a temporary reduction in ocean absorption of CO2; which, likely would return to the "smooth curve" trend line once the non-seasonal El Nino-like period was over (i.e. while El Ninos are common in the Summer and Fall, El Nino-like conditions are less common in the late Winter or early Spring).  This mechanisms could include interaction with plankton, upwelling, and currents.

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« Reply #355 on: February 04, 2015, 04:32:50 PM »
ASLR: Interesting, thanks!

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Re: Mauna Loa CO2
« Reply #356 on: February 06, 2015, 05:26:33 PM »
January average 399.96 - closer to 400 than I expected.

February 05 - 399.69
February 04 - 400.01
February 03 - 400.11
February 02 - 400.18
February 01 - 400.26

Daily drops in Feb so far, but I doubt that will last much longer, and I expect Feb will be over 400.

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« Reply #357 on: February 06, 2015, 09:47:11 PM »
Daily drops in Feb so far, but I doubt that will last much longer, and I expect Feb will be over 400.

But it might not go up to 400.82, which would be required for the seasonally corrected monthly mean to reach 400 for the first time.

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« Reply #358 on: February 07, 2015, 05:47:05 AM »
Global CO2 increased by 2.60 ppm (+/- 0.09 ppm) in 2014, which is third only to the super-Nino influenced year of 1998 (+2.83 ppm) and the strong, long duration Nino year of 1987 (+2.71 ppm). This is impressive, especially since the ONI average was again very near 0 this year.

5-year average is now 2.32 ppm/yr, which is by far the highest 5-year moving average of any period in the record.

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« Reply #359 on: February 07, 2015, 11:57:24 AM »
Global CO2 increased by 2.60 ppm (+/- 0.09 ppm) in 2014, which is third only to the super-Nino influenced year of 1998 (+2.83 ppm) and the strong, long duration Nino year of 1987 (+2.71 ppm).

The 2014 growth may still change though:

"The annual mean growth during the previous year is determined by taking the average of the most recent December and January months, corrected for the average seasonal cycle, as the trend value for January 1, and then subtracting the same December-January average measured one year earlier. Our first estimate for the annual growth rate of the previous year is produced in January of the following year, using data through November of the previous year. That estimate will then be updated in February using data though December, and again in March using data through January. "

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« Reply #360 on: February 07, 2015, 12:38:33 PM »
Global CO2 increased by 2.60 ppm (+/- 0.09 ppm) in 2014, which is third only to the super-Nino influenced year of 1998 (+2.83 ppm) and the strong, long duration Nino year of 1987 (+2.71 ppm).

The 2014 growth may still change though:

"The annual mean growth during the previous year is determined by taking the average of the most recent December and January months, corrected for the average seasonal cycle, as the trend value for January 1, and then subtracting the same December-January average measured one year earlier. Our first estimate for the annual growth rate of the previous year is produced in January of the following year, using data through November of the previous year. That estimate will then be updated in February using data though December, and again in March using data through January. "

Quite true, it may end up a bit different than that number by March. I believe last year's number ended up revised down somewhat in the end due to a relatively slow increase from Dec. through Jan. last year. We're still very likely talking something above the 5-yr moving average, which is has jumped considerably.

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« Reply #361 on: February 09, 2015, 03:26:14 PM »
Global CO2 increased by 2.60 ppm (+/- 0.09 ppm) in 2014, which is third only to the super-Nino influenced year of 1998 (+2.83 ppm) and the strong, long duration Nino year of 1987 (+2.71 ppm). This is impressive, especially since the ONI average was again very near 0 this year.

5-year average is now 2.32 ppm/yr, which is by far the highest 5-year moving average of any period in the record.

This is the kind of measures you would expect to see in a system whose behavior is being driven by positive reinforcing feedback loops. We are seeing these kinds of accelerations in most, if not all, of the measures that are being tracked. (e.g. Greenland melt, slr, surface temperature etc.) Look at any measure being taken (specific glacier speeds, rate of glacier disappearance) and I would be surprised if any do not show the characteristics of a growth system (an exponential trend with a doubling rate).

I realize this is not needed here but below is a temperature chart taken from this paper about attitudes Americans have about AGW.

http://myweb.uiowa.edu/rhorwitz/globalwarming.htm

It is obvious we are measuring a growth system whose behavior is being driven by reinforcing feedback loops. All such growth systems exhibit exponential growth. Once we accept this, the next step is to quantify the rate of doubling. I'm not sure what this doubling rate for temperature increase is but just being aware of this fact scares me. The temperature increases we are seeing will continue to accelerate and scientists everywhere will continue to be surprised by the acceleration of whatever piece of the earth system they are measuring.

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« Reply #362 on: February 09, 2015, 03:32:30 PM »
Atmospheric CO2 chart exhibiting exponential trend. (1st chart)

Atmospheric Methane chart exhibiting exponential trend. (2nd chart)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2015, 03:37:50 PM by Shared Humanity »

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« Reply #363 on: February 09, 2015, 03:58:46 PM »

This is the kind of measures you would expect to see in a system whose behavior is being driven by positive reinforcing feedback loops. We are seeing these kinds of accelerations in most, if not all, of the measures that are being tracked. (e.g. Greenland melt, slr, surface temperature etc.) Look at any measure being taken (specific glacier speeds, rate of glacier disappearance) and I would be surprised if any do not show the characteristics of a growth system (an exponential trend with a doubling rate).

It is obvious we are measuring a growth system whose behavior is being driven by reinforcing feedback loops. All such growth systems exhibit exponential growth. Once we accept this, the next step is to quantify the rate of doubling. I'm not sure what this doubling rate for temperature increase is but just being aware of this fact scares me. The temperature increases we are seeing will continue to accelerate and scientists everywhere will continue to be surprised by the acceleration of whatever piece of the earth system they are measuring.

And if the external forcing of GHG is increasing faster than exponentially  ... would we also expect to see such measures?

"All such growth systems exhibit exponential growth" is just wrong as Michael Hauber told you on another thread but maybe you haven't seen that yet?
( http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1053.msg44943.html#msg44943 )

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« Reply #364 on: February 09, 2015, 04:24:44 PM »
I haven't seen it yet. I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

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Re: Mauna Loa CO2
« Reply #365 on: February 09, 2015, 04:54:40 PM »
Hi crandles. Looks like I made a  mess of that thread. It was not my intent. I'm going to go back to lurking on the more scientific threads.

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« Reply #366 on: February 09, 2015, 05:03:25 PM »
I hope what I wrote helped.

I would encourage you to continue posting rather than going into lurking mode.

As for making you 'more comfortable' - I think there is still plenty to be uncomfortable about.

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« Reply #367 on: February 13, 2015, 06:13:29 AM »
I took another look at 5-year moving averages, this time using CO2e. I think that the increase in CO2e from year to year going forward will be a better measure of the rate of increase in radiative forcing mostly due to the fact that aerosols should be on a flat to slowly declining trend at this time (especially since China seems to be implementing its plans for scrubbing SO2 from plant stacks).

The 5-year moving average for CO2e is currently ~2.83 ppm/yr.

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Re: Mauna Loa CO2
« Reply #368 on: February 25, 2015, 06:35:32 AM »
twitter feed states: 400.90 parts per million (ppm) CO2 in air 22-Feb-2015 http://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/

there appears to be 1,4 degree positive anomaly in SSTs (sea surface temperatures) near M.Loa. http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/primary/waves/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-151.88,13.94,794

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« Reply #369 on: February 25, 2015, 03:55:32 PM »
First three weeks of Feb were averaging barely more than January's 399.96:

2015   2   1  2015.0863    400.21  7 
2015   2   8  2015.1055    399.93  7 
2015   2  15  2015.1247    399.90  7

Last year was unusual for Jan and Feb being so similar

but eventually we are seeing higher numbers
February 24 - 400.99
February 23 - 400.82
(per ESRL )

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« Reply #370 on: February 26, 2015, 08:36:03 AM »

Last year was unusual for Jan and Feb being so similar

but eventually we are seeing higher numbers
February 24 - 400.99
February 23 - 400.82
(per ESRL )

This by the way means it'll be close if 2015 as a whole is above 400ppm. Granted there are likely 5 months above the limit but by how much, will the summer decline be large and long enough??

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« Reply #371 on: February 26, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
This by the way means it'll be close if 2015 as a whole is above 400ppm. Granted there are likely 5 months above the limit but by how much, will the summer decline be large and long enough??

2015 average will be easily above 400ppm. There will likely be 5 months below 400 (jan, aug, sep, oct, nov) and 7 above. January was 399.96 and February will be slightly above 400. If we look at last year, other months (and the full year) were either well above or well below January and February:

May  401.78
Apr  401.29
Jun  401.15
Mar  399.58
Jul  399.00
Dec  398.78
Year 398.55
Feb  397.91
Jan  397.80
Nov  397.13
Aug  397.01
Oct  395.93
Sep  395.26

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« Reply #372 on: February 26, 2015, 02:49:27 PM »
CO2now has a list of annual averages for Mauna Loa :

http://co2now.org/current-co2/co2-now/annual-co2.html

2014 CO2 averaged at 398.55. To stay under 400ppm,  2015's growth in CO2 would need to be under 1.45ppm. That would be over a 30% fall from the recent average gains of 2.1ppm. Much as I'd like to see that happen, I cant see it somehow!

The upward portion of the annual CO2 wave often has a significant pause in it, not sure of the reason though.

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« Reply #373 on: February 26, 2015, 03:26:13 PM »
2014 CO2 averaged at 398.55. To stay under 400ppm,  2015's growth in CO2 would need to be under 1.45ppm.

Using just 400 for Feb which looks on the low side (I make average for Feb to 25th to be 400.15), 12 months to Feb 15 will average over 398.9, so already increased .35 of required 1.45 (almost a quarter) in just 2 months (1 sixth of time). Therefore latest data shows increases running about 50% faster than that required rate.

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« Reply #374 on: February 26, 2015, 04:08:47 PM »
2014 CO2 averaged at 398.55. To stay under 400ppm,  2015's growth in CO2 would need to be under 1.45ppm.

Using just 400 for Feb which looks on the low side (I make average for Feb to 25th to be 400.15), 12 months to Feb 15 will average over 398.9, so already increased .35 of required 1.45 (almost a quarter) in just 2 months (1 sixth of time). Therefore latest data shows increases running about 50% faster than that required rate.

Hmph, You don't want to capitalize by betting on this one w/ deniers?  :P But, thanks of the check.

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« Reply #375 on: February 26, 2015, 08:37:05 PM »
I'm still wondering why Jan and Feb look essentially flat for both last year and this year.
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« Reply #376 on: February 26, 2015, 10:07:08 PM »
I'm still wondering why Jan and Feb look essentially flat for both last year and this year.

wili,

You might want to look at my Reply #356.

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« Reply #377 on: February 27, 2015, 02:55:16 AM »
Thanks for the reminder, ASLR. It's definitely either the ocean doing something or photosynthetic plants (or their debris) doing (or not doing) something, as far as I can see...or some combination thereof. I can't quite see how any patterns of emissions variation would have that kind of effect on that short of a timescale.

It would be nice to see a study on it though, rather than just our guesses, intelligent thought those may be.
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« Reply #378 on: March 03, 2015, 01:48:31 AM »
Thanks for the reminder, ASLR. It's definitely either the ocean doing something or photosynthetic plants (or their debris) doing (or not doing) something, as far as I can see...or some combination thereof. I can't quite see how any patterns of emissions variation would have that kind of effect on that short of a timescale.

It would be nice to see a study on it though, rather than just our guesses, intelligent thought those may be.

wili,

First, in Reply #131 Bruce provides the following evidence linking the CO₂ variations to changes in flux/sink into/out-of the ocean:

"Global Assessment of Carbon Export Using Satellite Observations:
New Approaches and Plans for the Future"

Presented by

Professor David Siegel



Abstract:
The biological carbon pump is thought to export anywhere from 4 to >12 Peta (10^15) gC each year from the surface ocean depth in the form of settling organic particles, and its functioning is crucial for the global carbon cycle. Assessments of the global export flux have either been through the empirical extrapolation of point measurements to global scales or the results of ocean system model experimentation. Satellites resolve relevant space and time scales, providing guidance to the empirical extrapolation problem, but they do not quantify directly carbon export.  Here, I introduce a mechanistic approach for assessing global carbon export by synthesizing modeling approaches with satellite observations. The resulting export flux model does an excellent job of reproducing regional export flux observations, and it reproduces the basic patterns of export both spatially and seasonally.  The talk concludes by introducing an on-going planning project for a major NASA field campaign on the quantification of the biological pump from satellite observations.

Second, In replay #128 of the 2014 El Nino thread in the Consequence folder, Bruce Steele provides the following excellent explanation:

"The different Co2 content of the upwelled or  downwelled water is due to it's different sources. The intermediate water upwelled under normal conditions in the eastern equatorial pacific is older water that has accumulated Co2 due to bacterial decomposition of organic matter. Organic matter is
ballasted by calcium carbonate and sinks till it hits the saturation horizon which is at intermediate depths in the pacific. Once the calcium carbonate dissolves the organic surface supplied material is remineralized by bacteria.  The warm water in the graphs above are downwelled in the western pacific. These waters are much younger and haven't spent much time at depth so they don't have the high Co2 content.
 Under normal conditions the eastern equatorial pacific contributes about 72% of all oceanic Co2 ventilation. When the warm western supplied water is pushed to the surface by the Kelvin wave is suppresses the cold high Co2 water and because the cold water no longer has surface contact with the atmosphere it stops ventilating. So the immediate effects of an El Nino are a reduction in natural supplies of oceanic derived Co2 but later as drought and terrestrial  conditions increase the terrestrial supplies of Co2 dominate.

    http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/feel1868/feel1868.shtml
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Therefore, the Mauna Loa C02 readings can be seen as clear evidence that the Eastern Pacific cold water upwelling is dropping off, and that we are in the process of changing to El Nino conditions.

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« Reply #379 on: March 03, 2015, 03:59:43 AM »
We do have the TAO buoys back this year so we can look at surface water pCO2 from buoys spread across the equator. Last year they weren't working so year to year can't compare 2014-2015.
Most of the various buoys scattered in the worlds oceans monitoring surface water pCo2 have values less than atmospheric levels of Co2 ~ 400. Along the Eastern equatorial pacific the TAO buoys show surface water dissolved CO2 values that almost always exceed atmospheric levels resulting in the oceans ventilating CO2 in that part of the pacific.  El niño and La Nina can effect the strength of the upwelling and resultant surface water pCO2 .
 
  http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/TAO+0%C2%B0%2C+110%C2%B0W





   

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« Reply #380 on: March 08, 2015, 06:48:31 PM »
Thanks for the reminder, ASLR. It's definitely either the ocean doing something or photosynthetic plants (or their debris) doing (or not doing) something, as far as I can see...or some combination thereof. I can't quite see how any patterns of emissions variation would have that kind of effect on that short of a timescale.

It would be nice to see a study on it though, rather than just our guesses, intelligent thought those may be.


The following quote from Jeff Lewis's March 3rd keeling curve blog post, offers an alternate hypothesis for the wintertime "plateau" on the Keeling Curve:

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/2015/02/12/is-the-rate-of-co2-growth-slowing-or-speeding-up/#comment-161008

Quote: "One other hypothesis possibly worth some data analysis is whether there is a correlation in northern hemisphere Arctic weather extremes and the plateau. It seems logical that a pattern that more aggressively disperses Arctic air southward will greatly increase the land area that is frozen, and may thus be effectively ‘capped off’ (by snow, ice, or a frozen surface area) and unable to release normal gasses from soils below. Once the Arctic event ends, and the surface thaws, the accumulated gasses would be released and nudge the Keeling Curve upward, back on track."
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« Reply #381 on: March 09, 2015, 01:10:12 PM »
401.71 parts per million (ppm) CO2 in air 07-Mar-2015 http://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/

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« Reply #382 on: March 13, 2015, 03:21:26 PM »
First time global average over 400!

2015     1    2015.042      400.14
up from  397.42  in Jan 2014

On daily numbers:
March 12 - 401.26
March 11 - Unavailable
March 10 - 403.43

403.43 was rather high and with the unavailable I wondered if it would be revised but still there for the moment. Looks like highest ever daily reading but that does normally start happening around this time of year.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

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« Reply #383 on: March 15, 2015, 12:32:39 AM »
Final number for 2014: +2.51 ppm. The last two years have seen very high (near record) increases. This is a bit surprising considering the lack of any real +ENSO signal. In fact ONI over the period was slighly negative. This year looks to be shaping up similarly. Just one year would be enough to classify it as random noise, but a 3rd year is making me wonder just why the increases have been so steep, especially since 2010 had a strong nino but only managed +2.38 (about 0.7 ppm above the adjacent Nina years, which is about right).

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« Reply #384 on: March 15, 2015, 03:26:11 AM »
We are starting to see things like drought in the Amazon resulting in the area becoming more of a source of carbon rather than a sink. The tipping points all push CO2 up.

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« Reply #385 on: March 16, 2015, 06:27:55 PM »
Keeling Curve: 403.1 on March 15th

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« Reply #386 on: March 17, 2015, 04:01:55 AM »
403 would be big news, but when I just checked it, the NOAA site said that dates figure was unavailable. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

Are you getting that figure from a different site? Or did they post that figure at NOAA and then take it down?

ETA: Oh, I see it's from Skripps: https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/
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« Reply #387 on: March 22, 2015, 03:45:39 PM »
A crazy week at Mauna Loa.

First there was the second day ever (according to NOAA) exceeding 403 ppm.

But then the last five days were so low that the average ended up being 400.76 ppm. Last year the corresponding week averaged 400.61 ppm.

I was already almost sure that March would the first month with a seasonally corrected average over 400 ppm. The uncorrected average needed for that is 401.49. After two weeks the average was 401.72 but now it has dropped down to 401.36. With 10 days left, reaching 401.49 is still possible and even probable, but it could be close if the anomalously low values continue a few more days.

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« Reply #388 on: March 29, 2015, 04:29:08 PM »
I was already almost sure that March would the first month with a seasonally corrected average over 400 ppm. The uncorrected average needed for that is 401.49. After two weeks the average was 401.72 but now it has dropped down to 401.36. With 10 days left, reaching 401.49 is still possible and even probable, but it could be close if the anomalously low values continue a few more days.

Well, the low values continued four more days but the week ended with three higher values bringing the weekly average up to 401.75 and the monthly average up to 401.477. With three days left in the month, it looks likely but not certain that the threshold of 401.49 will be exceeded.

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« Reply #389 on: March 29, 2015, 11:18:47 PM »
Keeling March 28 : 403.27 holly smokes

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« Reply #390 on: April 01, 2015, 07:09:48 PM »
I was already almost sure that March would the first month with a seasonally corrected average over 400 ppm. The uncorrected average needed for that is 401.49. After two weeks the average was 401.72 but now it has dropped down to 401.36. With 10 days left, reaching 401.49 is still possible and even probable, but it could be close if the anomalously low values continue a few more days.

Well, the low values continued four more days but the week ended with three higher values bringing the weekly average up to 401.75 and the monthly average up to 401.477. With three days left in the month, it looks likely but not certain that the threshold of 401.49 will be exceeded.

It was very close with 29th and 30th reported as "Unavailable" and leaving the average still below the threshold but NOAA is now reporting 403.31 for the last day of the month raising the monthly average to 401.55 and the seasonally corrected average to 400.06 ppm.

If this holds (see below), March 2015 is the first month with seasonally corrected average above 400 and most likely February 2015 will be the last month below 400 in our lifetime.

Because this is so close,  I'm not ready to declare it for certainty. There's a number of things that could still change the result:
1. I could have made a mistake.
2. NOAA might compute the average somehow differently than I do. For example, they could treat unavailable days differently (I'm simply leaving them out) or they might use higher precision numbers than the publicly reported ones.
4. The measurements are preliminary and could still change.
5. The seasonal correction can still change. NOAA says this about the seasonal correction:

"The [seasonal correction] is determined as a moving average of SEVEN adjacent seasonal cycles centered on the month to be corrected, except for the first and last THREE and one-half years of the record, where the seasonal cycle has been averaged over the first and last SEVEN years, respectively."

Thus we will have to wait three and one-half years before everything is official.

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« Reply #391 on: April 08, 2015, 02:32:36 AM »
CO2 > 404 ppm ( Keeling Curve )

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« Reply #392 on: April 08, 2015, 01:19:22 PM »
seems pretty volatile at the moment:

April 06 - 403.68
April 05 - 403.43
April 04 - 400.99
April 03 - 402.56
April 02 - 400.90

Keeling 404.35

last year all April daily numbers seem to have a range of less than 2ppm. This year over 2.5 in just two days unless they revise the above.

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« Reply #393 on: April 09, 2015, 06:48:35 AM »
It was very close with 29th and 30th reported as "Unavailable" and leaving the average still below the threshold but NOAA is now reporting 403.31 for the last day of the month raising the monthly average to 401.55 and the seasonally corrected average to 400.06 ppm.

The official (but still preliminary) March average is 401.52, slightly less than my estimate. This could be due to rounding errors (or my mistake).

At the same time, the seasonal correction for March has changed from -1.49 to -1.46 making the seasonally corrected average 400.06 ppm.

The change in the seasonal correction is probably due to adding March 2015 to and leaving out March 2008 from the last seven year period on which the correction is based. The seasonal correction may continue to change for the next three and a half years:

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"The [seasonal correction] is determined as a moving average of SEVEN adjacent seasonal cycles centered on the month to be corrected, except for the first and last THREE and one-half years of the record, where the seasonal cycle has been averaged over the first and last SEVEN years, respectively."

Still I think the changes are good that March 2015 will remain as the first month with a seasonally corrected average above 400 ppm and we will never again see a corrected average below 400 ppm.

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« Reply #394 on: April 15, 2015, 01:21:21 AM »
Maybe it is just me, but the 404.84ppm weekly average for the week ending April 13 2015 and the CO2 trend for the past few months, does not make me feel good ???
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« Reply #395 on: April 15, 2015, 08:29:43 AM »
It's not just you, ASLR. And almost certainly not just us two, too. This is one of the defining data series in the light of life on this planet. The series has been rather volatile since the start of March. The last two weeks data seem progressively upticking above the monthly smoothed mean. After much speculation on the relation to ENSO, the suggestion that this behaviour is related is getting stronger.


SST 7-day ano change (from tropical tidbits).

Just look at that. PDO for March +2.0 (Jisao), not seen since March 1998. Hawaii right in the middle of a large swath of warming ocean. This is important, though I can not predict much out of my concern. It just doesn't look good for Phillipines, Californians, Peruvians etc.

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« Reply #396 on: April 15, 2015, 09:33:23 AM »
For the record ASLR the 404.84 reading was the latest daily figure, not a weekly average but it doesn't make me feel any better - especially as April 13 is my birthday!

Not the present I was looking for.

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« Reply #397 on: April 15, 2015, 04:25:39 PM »
For the record ASLR the 404.84 reading was the latest daily figure, not a weekly average but it doesn't make me feel any better - especially as April 13 is my birthday!

Not the present I was looking for.

silkman,
Thanks for the correction (sometimes I get too lazy to back-check), but by eyeball the last weeks average looks clearly to be over 404ppm; while according to MIT the forecasted CO₂-eq for April 1, 2015 was 485.48ppm.

werther,

While I concur that the current El Nino & positive PDO probably have a significant role in the variability of the CO2 concentration measured at Mauna Loa, I suspect that this variability is coming from variations in rain & temperature on land & its impact on vegetation like rainforests & desert blooms (& I think wildfires are starting early this year).

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« Reply #398 on: April 16, 2015, 09:44:20 AM »
NOAA-ESRL data shows 403.42ppm for the latest week (ending April 11) up 2.2ppm from last year and there's no indication of any change in the upward trajectory of this iconic and single most important indicator of the irreversible impact we're inflicting on our planet:

http://co2now.org/Current-CO2/CO2-Now/weekly-data-atmospheric-co2.html

Meanwhile, a review of the party manifestos just launched ahead of the UK General Election indicates luke warm commitment at best to addressing the problem. Climate Change isn't an election non-issue, it's a no go area. Even the Green Party is standing on an anti-austerity platform. I despair!

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« Reply #399 on: May 06, 2015, 06:47:50 PM »
The NOAA April average is 403.26 ppm and the seasonally corrected average is 400.57 ppm. I think it is safe to say that the seasonally corrected average has now permanently crossed 400 ppm.

At the same time, the seasonally corrected average for March 2015 has dropped from 400.06 to 400.05, which shows that March's position as the first month to cross 400 ppm is not yet safe, see the following earlier posts:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,66.msg49252.html#msg49252
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,66.msg49725.html#msg49725

The NOAA global CO2 level for March 2015 was 400.83 ppm, crossing 400 ppm for the first time (though February was very close at 399.99). The seasonally corrected value is still below 400 at 399.18, but it will almost certainly pass 400 some time this year.