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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #650 on: July 17, 2018, 06:53:28 AM »
Oh, I had no idea when I posted this yesterday, here:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg163390.html#msg163390

The story I read was this one:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/uk/thai-cave-rescue-british-divers-intl/index.html

Totally different background story on Vern Unsworth compared to those tweets Elon posted, looks like he has deleted them but this might not be over yet.
https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/british-cave-rescuer-considers-suing-elon-musk-over-tweet-1.750751
My oh my.  >:(
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44846945

Edit; ok, so I can't let this go... Adding the two video snippets with Vern Unsworth. First the cause (CNN) and second, the one from the BBC article (7News).
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #651 on: July 17, 2018, 01:04:19 PM »
A real documentary with real people and real heroes.

Out of the dark, ~56 minutes. Also a quick glimpse of Vern Unsworth at ~6 minutes.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/out-of-the-dark/10000580
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #653 on: July 18, 2018, 01:50:58 PM »
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #654 on: July 18, 2018, 02:58:08 PM »
What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort
Thanks for this Sig.

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« Reply #655 on: July 18, 2018, 04:24:22 PM »
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

I love how this moron concludes by begging the media for fairness and accurate reporting. But in the same article heavily implies that Unsworth actually is a pedophile because, uhhh, musk said so.

Stop defending musk for fuck sakes. We can have electric cars and batteries without men like him.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #656 on: July 18, 2018, 04:37:05 PM »
All rich people are evil. I don't like Musk because he's rich. It is a well know fact there has never been a good person that is rich.
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« Reply #657 on: July 19, 2018, 07:45:06 AM »
It seems many people rushed to criticize Musk without realizing what was happening behind the scenes (and in the open, on Twitter).  Important background on the requests for help is here:

What's the full story behind Elon Musk's involvement with the Thai cave rescue effort? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort


“And mostly nobody mentioned the letter Elon got from Richard "Rick" Stanton, who IS a very experienced RESCUE DIVER.

Stanton to Elon: "We're worried about the smallest lad please keep working on he capsule details
...”
https://twitter.com/martinengwicht/status/1019383244104568832
Text image of the email at the link.

First a quote from your article that seems to be very true when checking different sources.
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To set context, Vern Unsworth is a retired British expat who’s been living in Chiang Rai. And it so happens that he’d been exploring the particular cave system where the boys went missing for some six years prior. This let him predict with fairly close accuracy where the lost party would be found. He was also instrumental in bringing in the overseas caving/diving experts.

Then check the BBC article, check the documentary by ABC Australia (not one single word of Elon Musk or the sub, do notice the size of the pumps needed to maintain the water level...), then check the deleted tweets and their dates, then check the date on this article while reading the content and watching the images.
https://www.thairath.co.th/content/1333851
Vern Unsworth was certainly around and visible down there.
The last image of Vern Unsworth via your own link.

I know Elon Musk does good, but he's still a bonehead
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/17/elon-musk-boneheadthailand-cave-rescue
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The fact is, the heroes of the Thai cave rescue were the divers of many different nationalities, some of whom were amateurs: the Thai navy Seals; the local government; the paramedics and doctors who treated the kids afterwards; and the kids and coach themselves for staying calm. And that is something to remember in the era of the strong man, whether in politics or Silicon Valley: sometimes the little people coming together can achieve bigger and better things.

When reading the deleted tweets and watching the documetary, I wonder if Elon was down there at all?
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #658 on: July 19, 2018, 10:38:52 AM »
In the end all the heroes turn out to have feet of clay, right up to their armpits. Usually it is hubris wot gets 'em. They are still heroes, though, but just human.

Mr. Musk, eat a little crow, you are not the fount of all wisdom about everything.
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #659 on: July 30, 2018, 11:14:00 PM »
U.S.:  Younger voters are more likely than their older counterparts to say that climate change is happening and must be addressed. Polling from earlier this year released by the Alliance for Market Solutions found that more than half of young Republicans are concerned about the issue. Nearly a quarter of people under 30 who identified as Republican in 2015 have already left the party, according to the Pew Research Center.

Why Some Republicans are Rethinking Climate Change
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5348333/republicans-climate-change-carbon-tax
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #660 on: August 01, 2018, 06:47:31 PM »
California:

NOBEL PEACE PRIZE LAUREATES ASK GOVERNOR BROWN TO TAKE “MORAL RESPONSIBILITY,” PURSUE BOLD ACTION TO PHASE OUT FOSSIL FUELS
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In letter from Women Nobel Laureates, Governor Brown urged “begin managed and just transition off of oil and gas production”

SACRAMENTO – Declaring that California has “a moral responsibility to act” and “climate leaders can no longer explore for and exploit new fossil fuels,” a group of Nobel Peace Laureates today urged Governor Jerry Brown to freeze new fossil fuel drilling and develop a plan to transition California “away from oil and gas production.”

In a letter to the California Governor, the Laureates emphasized the fact that, despite Governor Brown’s strong language to raise the alarm on the threat of climate change, California continues to drill wells and engage in destructive fossil fuel extraction. Over the past seven years, the Brown administration has authorized 20,000 new permits for drilling, including wells in sensitive offshore sites along the California coast.

“Climate leadership is being redefined, and we strongly believe you, Governor Brown, can be among those at the vanguard,” the letter states. “We know the vast majority of fossil fuels must be kept in the ground. Climate leaders can no longer explore for and exploit new fossil fuels, and climate leaders must have a plan to phase-out production by no later than mid-century. This transition will be challenging, but by starting now, you have the opportunity to work together with workers dependent on fossil fuel production to ensure they have the agency and support to build livelihoods for themselves in a post-carbon economy.” ...
https://nobelwomensinitiative.org/nobel-peace-prize-laureates-ask-governor-brown-to-take-moral-responsibility-pursue-bold-action-to-phase-out-fossil-fuels/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #661 on: August 03, 2018, 09:58:15 PM »
Plus one for ExxonMobil, minus one for everyone else:

Title: "SEC abandoning climate investigation of ExxonMobil"

https://www.axios.com/sec-dropping-investigation-of-exxonmobil-e8fea73c-6375-42f1-a92a-c20f6bfefa8f.html

Extract: "The Securities and Exchange Commission is dropping its two-year investigation of ExxonMobil Corp., about whether it misled its investors with regard to the risks greenhouse-gas regulations poses to the company.

Why it matters: This is a significant victory for the oil giant, which is still facing pressure from multiple attorneys general investigations and lawsuits related to its actions and climate change. The news also bodes well for the industry writ large, given any affirmative action by the SEC in this case could have had broad implications.

Between the lines: While some may see this as the Trump administration giving Exxon a pass, the SEC is an independent government agency, so the influence of politics and the White House should be much less -- nonexistent, ostensibly -- than if it were a Cabinet agency."

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #662 on: August 04, 2018, 06:18:48 PM »
The bottom line is that mankind does not focus on climate change sufficiently to stop abrupt climate change this century:

Title: "The bottom line: "We don’t focus enough" on climate change"

https://www.axios.com/climate-change-national-security-threat-f92444f4-e87f-4e4f-82aa-dc4dcf1be1f2.html

Extract: "The bottom line: "Climate change (like it or not, accept it or not) is going to have huge implications for global security. And we don’t focus enough on it.""
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #663 on: August 05, 2018, 07:41:57 AM »
Klein is right. Reagan-Thatcher blew that chance. We would have been two score years ahead in curbing fossil carbon.

But  Diamond, and perhaps Ruddiman might argue the war was lost some ten millennia ago with the invention of cereal crops for agriculture. And I might agree.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #664 on: August 11, 2018, 01:45:34 AM »
The thing that really blew it was the massive industrialization of China using their massive coal reserves (just like the UK, Germany, USA etc. did) facilitated by the neoliberal globalization driven by Reagan and Thatcher (and Clinton, Bush, Blair, Obama, and the transnational business/finance elite for whom they were simply sock puppets). David Harvey's "A history of neoliberalism" gives a good coverage.

100's of millions of Chinese got lifted out of poverty through state capitalism (the only real reduction in global poverty in the past few decades), and now the Indians want to do the same. This is the nub of the problem, the worlds poor want to be as rich as the Western country's middle class. In the process they will burn a hell of a lot of hydrocarbons, and destroy the biosphere, in lieu of a "war effort" type industrial transformation.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #665 on: August 21, 2018, 05:14:39 PM »
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I have a suggestion. How about reporters stop asking whether or not political leaders “believe” in climate change and start asking if they understand it instead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/turnip2020/status/1031346786638548992
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #666 on: August 22, 2018, 04:46:13 PM »
Florida can’t afford for its leaders to keep ignoring climate change | Opinion - Sun Sentinel
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If the national politics on climate change is ever to shift from denial to action — in time to stop the disgorging of carbon dioxide beyond the point of no return — Florida, he says, is the key.

Why? Because no other state is under greater immediate threat from the warming planet and rise in sea levels. And no other swing state has so many electoral votes.

As Pomerance puts it: “The impacts are extreme and the politics are critical.”

“This is the largest purple state in the country,” says Pomerance, currently a consultant for the nonprofit Rethink Energy Florida. If the state takes a new attitude on climate change, the “national impact can be very powerful.”   
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/fl-op-viewpoint-sea-level-rise-goodman-20180820-story.html
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #667 on: January 29, 2019, 08:04:43 PM »
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1/29/19, 1:51 PM
Great convo today at U.S. Capitol w/ Senators @SenWhitehouse, @EdMarkey, @BenCardinforMD & (not pictured) @brianschatz & @SenStabenow.
We talked about what it will take to get #ClimateAction in the U.S.

I feel more confident than ever 2019 will be the year we turn the corner!
https://twitter.com/michaelemann/status/1090321499884523520
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« Reply #668 on: January 30, 2019, 11:50:59 AM »
Hope dies last.
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #669 on: February 07, 2019, 10:40:15 PM »
Rape of Everglades continues: first oil well in fifty years

" Florida's First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee ruled that an investment company in Broward County — Kanter Real Estate — can build an oil well in a section of the Glades just west of Miramar "

"the court ruled Kanter's stretch of land was already so polluted it would not matter if an oil rig were placed there."

This is an obscenity.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/broward-everglades-oil-drilling-plan-the-first-in-decades-is-approved-for-kanter-real-estate-11074538

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #670 on: February 08, 2019, 08:55:59 AM »
Rape of Everglades continues: first oil well in fifty years

" Florida's First District Court of Appeal in Tallahassee ruled that an investment company in Broward County — Kanter Real Estate — can build an oil well in a section of the Glades just west of Miramar "

"the court ruled Kanter's stretch of land was already so polluted it would not matter if an oil rig were placed there."

This is an obscenity.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/broward-everglades-oil-drilling-plan-the-first-in-decades-is-approved-for-kanter-real-estate-11074538

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #671 on: February 08, 2019, 07:47:23 PM »
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I have a suggestion. How about reporters stop asking whether or not political leaders “believe” in climate change and start asking if they understand it instead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/turnip2020/status/1031346786638548992

I can give you that answer already, it is "no."

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #672 on: February 12, 2019, 07:49:48 PM »
Its the Benjamins that do the talking.

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« Reply #673 on: February 13, 2019, 12:15:05 AM »
Of course politicians need money. The 2016 U.S. presidential campaign cost 2.4 billion dollars and another 4 billion for the other races.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/14/somebody-just-put-a-price-tag-on-the-2016-election-its-a-doozy/

Unfortunately we have created a system where if your not willing to be bought your not going to get elected it is as simple as that. Once a successful politician gets into office they immediately focus on fundraising for the next election. Personally I think they should ban all political television and radio advertising. Further I would like to see significant new restriction on donation amounts and sources. This would include a ban on all money funneled through parties and PAC's. While not a perfect solution I believe this would reduce the influence of money in politics and increase the influence of voters.  Hopefully during an election season politicians would have to focus more on voters and less on fundraising.
All the restrictions the discourage third party candidates need to be removed as well. As we see in business a duopoly is almost as easy to subvert as a monopoly. We need more competition in candidates. Both 2016 presidential candidates should be jailed for life, in my opinion, for corruption. That said the climate would have been much better off with hillarly.

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« Reply #674 on: February 16, 2019, 02:27:39 PM »
After totally failing to secure money from Congress for his promised US-Mexico border wall, the US president says he will declare a “national emergency” and appropriate funds for it from elsewhere.  Democrats say such a precedent would allow the next president to act aggressively on climate change. 

Dana Nuccitelli: "A president who declares climate change a national emergency can then: 1) suspend all offshore oil leases 2) take steps to support 'critical technologies' like batteries & EVs 3) potentially restrict fossil fuel transport 4) regulate fossil fuel companies”
https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/1096492679540629504

Using Emergency Powers to Fight Climate Change
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Republicans are apparently worried that if Trump could use emergency powers by declaring border security a national emergency, the next president could do the same thing for climate change. There’s no doubt that this would be far more legitimate than Trump’s wall effort.  Border crossings are much lower than they were ten years ago; he has said in the recent past that his prior efforts have vastly improved border security. In contrast, the Pentagon has classified climate change as a threat to national security, and Congress under Republican control has even endorsed this view. Furthermore, scientists have made it clear that we have a limited time to head-off a disastrous outcome. ...
http://legal-planet.org/2019/01/14/using-emergency-powers-to-fight-climate-change/
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« Reply #675 on: February 24, 2019, 01:51:45 PM »
Here, the drive against climate change action:

Revealed: How the Tobacco and Fossil Fuel Industries Fund Disinformation Campaigns Around the World | DeSmog UK
https://www.desmog.co.uk/2019/02/19/how-tobacco-and-fossil-fuel-companies-fund-disinformation-campaigns-around-world
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« Reply #676 on: March 09, 2019, 08:49:23 PM »
U.S. Senate Republicans hold rare climate hearing, and more might be coming
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It’s been some time since the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee has held a hearing on climate change, so naturally its top two lawmakers felt compelled to get a couple of things out of the way during yesterday’s roughly two-hour meeting.

Global warming is “directly impacting our way of life,” said Senator Lisa Murkowski, the Alaska Republican who leads the panel.

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, the top-ranking Democrat, added, “There’s no doubt that humans have made a tremendous impact on what we’re dealing with.”

It’s a baseline of understanding that, by now, seems obvious to most climate scientists.

But it was a milestone moment for the Senate panel. ...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/03/us-senate-republicans-hold-rare-climate-hearing-and-more-might-be-coming
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« Reply #677 on: March 21, 2019, 12:23:38 PM »
referring to money and politics in the title, worth to translate it for those who find ways:



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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #678 on: March 21, 2019, 12:56:34 PM »
Dude is talking about low interest rates are responsible for the surplus in the German gov budget and asking why it's now a deficit and wondering where the money is.

At some point, he's admitting that it was revenues due to taxes rather than low interest rates that drove the surplus (which is actually the answer to his question above).

He's FUDing about how social spending would be a ticking time bomb, a typical neoliberal talking point, easy to debunk.

Then a lot of BS buzzwords, more FUD and boring platitudes for 10 long minutes. He's calling for change without stating what that change should be, not advocating for any policy changes that should follow.

At the very end, he calls for a wealth-fund in the kind of what Norway has, but is failing to argue why that would help and how to fund it (actually Germany has no oil money as Norway does).

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« Reply #679 on: March 21, 2019, 08:59:39 PM »
Dude is talking about low interest rates are responsible for the surplus in the German gov budget and asking why it's now a deficit and wondering where the money is.

At some point, he's admitting that it was revenues due to taxes rather than low interest rates that drove the surplus (which is actually the answer to his question above).

He's FUDing about how social spending would be a ticking time bomb, a typical neoliberal talking point, easy to debunk.

Then a lot of BS buzzwords, more FUD and boring platitudes for 10 long minutes. He's calling for change without stating what that change should be, not advocating for any policy changes that should follow.

At the very end, he calls for a wealth-fund in the kind of what Norway has, but is failing to argue why that would help and how to fund it (actually Germany has no oil money as Norway does).

if what you say is true than you did just the exact same thing you blame him for only with the difference that it's not true, your resume is wrong, does not even touch the point, his point was that the german government made a huge profit of the last few years and burned it for stuff thas can hardly be seen while not much much went into infrastructure or other investements and that he's wondering how they are going go manage once the numbers turn into negative.

problem with leftists is that their ideas sound just and sound while once they are in charge nothing is going to change in the fields they mapped but the treasury is depleted.

that you have your own views is ok and your good right but to resume a video that contains so much truth and discredit it is a "crime" and part of the spectrum of reasons why things go down the river.

naive opportunistic "gutmenschentum" does not solve one single problem but it's creating new ones,
i.e. it's causing disputes between the illusionary dreamers and the knowledgeable realists and therefore is binding everyones energy that lacks in the process to find real solutions.


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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #680 on: March 21, 2019, 09:08:28 PM »
LOL

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #682 on: June 12, 2019, 06:26:47 PM »
Well, both parties just agreed that Earth is warming and it's our fault:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-11/new-bipartisan-agreement-on-climate-change-only-goes-so-far
while advocates swarm the Capitol:
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Climate-change-advocates-swarm-the-Capitol-13969049.php
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #684 on: July 16, 2019, 08:21:45 PM »
"If you think we can do nothing about climate change, and let all these floods and hurricanes and wildfires get worse without having an economic disaster, then you're not looking reality in the face."

Could Climate Change Spark a Financial Crisis? Candidates Warn Fed It’s a Risk | InsideClimate News
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...If you think the housing crisis was bad, wait until you see how the climate crisis plays out for financial markets.

The candidates are urging the Federal Reserve—the United States' central bank—to work with financial institutions around the world to confront climate risks that could trigger cascading collapses.

They also want regulators to ensure that America's financial system is resilient to the impacts of climate change.

It's not just that fossil fuel projects, like other infrastructure investments, are at risk from severe weather events, a risk that lenders and insurance companies must shoulder. It's also that when the world finally weans itself away from the fossil fuels whose use is driving global warming, the business models of some of the most heavily capitalized world industries could crumble along with demand for their products.

Investors call the problem "stranded assets," and they've been warning about it for years. ...
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15072019/climate-change-financial-crisis-fed-powell-presidential-candidates-stranded-assets
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #685 on: August 19, 2019, 05:56:20 PM »
 A pre-election chill has descended over some environment charities after Elections Canada warned them that discussing the dangers of climate change during the upcoming federal campaign could be deemed partisan activity.
An Elections Canada official warned groups in a training session earlier this summer that because Maxime Bernier, the leader of the People's Party of Canada, has expressed doubts about the legitimacy of climate change, any group that promotes it as real or an emergency could be considered partisan, said Tim Gray, executive director of the advocacy group Environmental Defence. 
Any partisan activity — including advertising, surveys, or any kind of campaign costing at least $500 — would require a charity to register as a third party for the election, an onerous requirement that could jeopardize a group's charitable tax status, Gray said.
https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2019/08/18/environment-groups-warned-saying-climate-is-real-could-be-seen-as-partisan-2/#.XVrGNZNKiiv
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #686 on: August 20, 2019, 05:39:01 AM »
A pre-election chill has descended over some environment charities after Elections Canada warned them that discussing the dangers of climate change during the upcoming federal campaign could be deemed partisan activity.
 the leader of the People's Party of Canada, has expressed doubts about the legitimacy of climate change, any group that promotes it as real or an emergency could be considered partisan
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This is in Canada!  :o Wow, just wow. I am curious what Canadian forummembers think of this.
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« Reply #687 on: August 20, 2019, 06:21:47 AM »
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #688 on: August 20, 2019, 09:28:21 AM »
Human stupidity knows no bounds.
Next a party leader will deny the existence of the sun, and it will be considered partisan to say "good day" or "good night".

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #689 on: August 20, 2019, 03:15:50 PM »
Why are we surprised that yet another conservative party once again has its head up its @$$ wrt gw?

But yeah, its pretty damn pathetic.
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #690 on: August 20, 2019, 07:49:00 PM »
Perhaps next they will try to ban discussions of the weather....
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #691 on: August 21, 2019, 12:18:38 AM »
Maybe they should ban jokes:
WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. John Cornyn made a joke online over the weekend that landed him in hot water — and gave his political opponents an early opening to hit him on what will likely be a major issue in his re-election campaign: Climate change.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/It-s-summer-Chuck-Cornyn-climate-change-14353200.php
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #692 on: August 22, 2019, 01:32:28 PM »
A new tone from some Republicans on climate change — mostly behind closed doors
”It is a decidedly different tone than we’ve heard in recent years.”
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Blumenauer pointed to effects of climate change on vulnerable states — including melting snowpack in Alaska and disappearing glaciers. “These are things that are seeping into the public consciousness, and I think that [in light of] the sort of the full-throated denial that we heard on the part of so many of my Republican colleagues — that tone is significant, and I think it is reflecting at least in some cases the fact that their citizens that they represent are not going to abide by an approach like that.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/22/climate-change-global-translations-1675710
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #693 on: August 22, 2019, 07:46:55 PM »
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate drop-outs:

Inslee can do more for the climate as governor of the state of Washington.  Hickenlooper can replace the incumbent Republican senator from Colorado, helping to reach a Democrat majority in the US Senate.

Democratic Voters Care About Climate Change, But Not Enough To Support Jay Inslee | FiveThirtyEight
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democratic-voters-care-about-climate-change-but-not-enough-to-support-jay-inslee/

John Hickenlooper running for Senate in Colorado - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/politics/hickenlooper-senate-colorado/index.html
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #694 on: August 23, 2019, 01:24:45 PM »
Just do it:  Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders wants to spend the trillions necessary to transition the U.S. off fossil fuels, including setting a 2030 deadline for both electricity and transportation to be run entirely on renewable energy.

Sanders Unveils $16 Trillion Green New Deal Plan, and Ideas to Pay for It
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Sanders' Green New Deal lays out a rapid transition away from fossil fuels in line with the goal of the Paris climate agreement to limit warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius from pre-industrial times.

Much of that would come from eliminating fossil fuels from both the electricity and transportation sectors over a decade. Sanders proposes investing nearly $2.5 trillion in new renewable energy and energy storage—all of which would be publicly owned—$500 billion on upgrading the electricity grid, and more than $2 trillion in grants for energy efficiency and weatherization. To convert the nation's vehicle fleet, he would spend some $3 trillion to help people and businesses buy new electric cars and trucks, and $900 billion on public transport and high-speed rail.

The most controversial element is that this would rely entirely on renewable energy sources and not "on any false solutions like nuclear, geoengineering, carbon capture and sequestration, or trash incinerators." ...
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/22082019/sanders-green-new-deal-climate-change-plan-fossil-fuels-transition-16-trillion
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #695 on: August 23, 2019, 03:15:26 PM »
One down, one to go ?? Am I too dark?? Or good riddance is in order?

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #696 on: August 23, 2019, 06:15:07 PM »
Several decades too late to take any solace. He has just escaped the consequences of his actions, which we and our children will have to face.

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« Reply #697 on: August 23, 2019, 09:12:23 PM »
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #698 on: August 24, 2019, 01:34:11 PM »
David Koch, billionaire conservative and New York philanthropist, dies at 79
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-david-koch-brothers-20190823-xdz455t6ifaozmgpeth3ptylta-story.html

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #699 on: August 24, 2019, 02:08:08 PM »
David Koch, billionaire conservative and New York philanthropist, dies at 79

Commondreams had a better fitting headline.

After Life of Incalculable Harm, Billionaire Climate Denialist and Right-Wing Villain David Koch Dead at 79
"Death is an escape hatch for David Koch while the rest of us are left scrambling for the emergency brake before we go over the cliff."


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