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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1750 on: December 04, 2018, 07:53:50 PM »
Sorry! :( 
(The good news is: Democrats will be in control of the House come January, which will help rein in the prez.)

Climate change: 'Trump effect' threatens Paris pact
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But this new report. from the Institute of International and European Affairs, suggests that President Trump's words and deeds are causing "very real damage" to the Paris agreement.  The author outlines three key areas where the Trump effect is having an impact.

Under the President, US federal environmental regulations on oil, gas and coal have been rolled back and, as a result, some of the dirtiest fossil fuel projects have become more attractive to investors.

Goodwill damaged

The author says that the US withdrawal from Paris has created the "moral and political cover for others to follow suit", citing the examples of Russia and Turkey - which have both declined to ratify the Paris deal.  The US pull-out has also "severely damaged goodwill at international negotiations", something that's crucial to progress in these talks here in Poland.

When it comes to fossil fuels, the author cites the example of investments in the coal sector by 36 US banks, which saw a decline of 38% in 2016 after the Paris agreement was signed, but which rose by 6% in 2017 after President Trump was sworn in.

"This is not a coincidence, there is something underpinning these trends and that's political signals," said Joseph Curtin, a senior fellow at the IIEA.  "The Paris agreement sent a shiver down the spine of institutional investors globally and made them question if they were exposed to stranded assets and whether these political leaders were really serious about climate change."

"There's absolutely no doubt that the Trump effect has created a sense of uncertainty in terms of the political commitment to achieve anything close to a two degree C target."
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46384828
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1751 on: December 04, 2018, 08:16:41 PM »
World Bank Commits $200 Billion Over Five Years For Climate Action
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The World Bank Group announced on Monday a new set of climate targets for 2021-25 and that it was doubling its current five-year investments to around $200 billion in support of countries taking ambitious climate action.

One of the world’s largest sources of funding for developing countries, the World Bank Group announced on Monday that it would increase its current five-year investments to around $200 billion, with a particular focus on projects for climate adaptation and resilience.

“Climate change is an existential threat to the world’s poorest and most vulnerable. These new targets demonstrate how seriously we are taking this issue, investing and mobilizing $200 billion over five years to combat climate change,” said World Bank Group President, Jim Yong Kim. “We are pushing ourselves to do more and to go faster on climate and we call on the global community to do the same. This is about putting countries and communities in charge of building a safer, more climate-resilient future.” ...
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/03/world-bank-commits-200-billion-over-five-years-for-climate-action/
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1752 on: December 05, 2018, 06:04:59 AM »
World Bank Commits $200 Billion Over Five Years For Climate Action

Sorry but $40 Billion per year amounts to next to nothing in a $80,000 Billion Economy.

0.05% in fact
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1753 on: December 05, 2018, 07:24:19 PM »
The UN is trying to get climate risks built into Government and Private Sector financial institutions. Here is a report on how each G20 country is getting along.

In theory, such a system would tend to block investments with high climate risks, and encourage investments with environmental benefits, i.e. bend capital resource allocation..

I give extracts from 2 countries, where the Federal Government is actively trying to go backwards while just about everybody else is trying to go forwards (even if at a snail's pace), namely Australia and the USA. Written in May 2018, it was before the new President of Brazil started to put a Mack Truck through everything.

When the shit really hits the fan, we will have the comfort of having known how to stop.

https://www.cisl.cam.ac.uk/resources/publication-pdfs/cisl-tcfd-report-2018.pdf
Sailing from different harbours
G20 approaches to implementing the
recommendations of the Task Force on
Climate-related Financial Disclosures


AUSTRALIA
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Political and regulatory engagement
On 17 February 2017, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority
(APRA) warned that climate change carries a material risk to the
financial system, and urged companies to start adapting. At the
Insurance Council of Australia’s Annual Forum, the Authority’s
executive board member Geoff Summerhayes said that: “While
climate risks have been broadly recognised, they have often been
seen as a future problem or a non-financial problem. […] This is no
longer the case. Some climate risks are distinctly ‘financial’ in nature.
Many of these risks are foreseeable, material and actionable now”
(Summerhayes, 2017).
In July 2017, the APRA, in a statement of the Sustainable Insurance
Forum, defined climate change as one of the most serious challenges
for the insurance sector and the wider financial system, and called for
the implementation of TCFD recommendations (SIF, 2017).
In November 2017, the Council of Financial Regulators (CFR), which
comprises the Treasury, Reserve Bank of Australia, the Australian
Prudential Regulation Authority and the Australian Securities and
Investments Commission, set up a Climate Change Working Group
to consider and co-ordinate actions to address the financial risks of
changing climate, and society’s response to such changes, for the
Australian financial system.
NOTE - As of today the Aussie Govt is trying to railroad through Parliament taxpayer subsidies for new cola-fired power stations

THE USA
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Although as of 2010 the US Securities Act and Regulation S-K –
Commission Guidance Regarding Disclosure Related to Climate
specifies how climate change should be considered and disclosed
in the context of securities disclosure, we have been unable to find
engagement with the TCFD at the federal level. However, there has
been regulatory discourse on the TCFD recommendations at the
state level.


Political and regulatory engagement
In July 2017, the California Department of Insurance (CDI) and
Washington State Office of the Insurance Commissioner (OIC), in
a statement of the Sustainable Insurance Forum, defined climate
change as one of the most serious challenges for the insurance
sector and the wider financial system, and welcomed the TCFD
recommendations, calling for their implementation (SIF, 2017).
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1754 on: December 07, 2018, 07:10:00 PM »
World Bank Commits $200 Billion Over Five Years For Climate Action

Sorry but $40 Billion per year amounts to next to nothing in a $80,000 Billion Economy.

0.05% in fact

$17 trillion+ to bail out the bankers, a couple of hundred billion for climate change. Shows what the real priorities are. Also tiny compared to the US "defence" budget.

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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1755 on: December 07, 2018, 07:14:07 PM »
Global carbon dioxide emissions rose almost 3% in 2018

Global emissions estimated to be up 2.7% in 2018 (after up 1.7% in 2017).
- China up 4.6% (27% of emissions)
- US up 2.5% (13% of emissions)
- EU28 down 0.7% (9% of emissions)
- India up 6.3% (6.3% of emissions)
- Rest of the world up 1.8% (44.7% of emissions)

India's coal and oil usage growing at 5% per year, at the stage of economic development that all previous countries heavily utilized coal to drive growth. At current trends, India's emissions with be greater than the EU28 by the mid-2020s at the latest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/carbon-pollution-increase-1.4934096

http://www.globalcarbonproject.org/carbonbudget/18/files/GCP_CarbonBudget_2018.pdf
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1756 on: December 08, 2018, 07:51:14 AM »
Maybe better placed here?
I think Sasja Beslik is wrong about limiting warming to 1.5°C but close to reality on sustainable finance.

The quick fix for climate change.
https://twitter.com/SasjaBeslik/status/1069717425279643648


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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1757 on: December 08, 2018, 07:52:48 AM »
Greta Thunberg at the COP24 Action Hub

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« Reply #1758 on: December 08, 2018, 08:12:37 AM »
World Bank Commits $200 Billion Over Five Years For Climate Action

Sorry but $40 Billion per year amounts to next to nothing in a $80,000 Billion Economy.

For some essential perspective on this matter. The general UNFCCC 'consensus' goal (if I can call it that) is to reduce Net GHG emissions to Zero by 2050.

According to this Oct 2018 BBC Newsnight report that will require: "investing 2.5% of world GDP into new energy infrastructure each year between now and 2035"
ref https://youtu.be/pJ1HRGA8g10?t=131

This equates to $2,000 Billion ( $2 Trillion) every year for almost 20 years.

[Explanatory Notes: It is good, no, a great thing the IMF is putting up that $ targeting impoverished/ low GDP nations such as in Africa. This goes without saying, still, I had better say it.
Hopefully next decade they can increase that substantially and I hope the $ is put to good sustainable practical use too.
By the word 'perspective' I am talking about the enormity in the scale of what is required right now going forward.
Hopefully placing the $40 billion per year from the IMF alongside the probable total amount of investment actually needed which is $2,000 billion per year is useful 'perspective' for all.
I do not know the source for the 2.5% of Global GDP for investment presented in the program. I am taking that at 'face value'.
The important point, if there is one, is the sheer scale of what is likely to be required and only a hint at the massive implication in costs that confront the world if it does implement all the massive changes that need to be done.
At a time when genuine acceptance there is a problem to be solved is not universal, and when even those nations who do accept it are still far behind in substantive action and achievement to date.
Nothing on this scale has ever been undertaken by humankind before.
While the Nov '18 MLO CO2 growth was +2.9ppm
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1759 on: December 08, 2018, 09:36:09 AM »
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/12/07/global-alignment-climate-plans-pushed-2041-un-draft/

Nothing new then. "FU future generations", says the intergovernmental body of officials. "You're just an expense, and we wish half of you would be dead already," says the body and continues, "we want to see you fight against each other for the sports aren't good enough entertainment"
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« Reply #1760 on: December 08, 2018, 07:00:31 PM »
And some more "nothing new"

http://www.ipsnews.net/2018/12/poor-progress-no-finance-commitments-cop24-katowice/
Poor Progress and No Finance Commitments at COP24 in Katowice
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KATOWICE, Poland, Dec 8 2018 (IPS) - Implementation of the Paris Agreement on climate change is in limbo as developed countries remain noncommittal to financial obligations at the ongoing negotiations in Katowice, Poland.
Professor Seth Osafo, the Advisor to the Africa Group of Negotiators (AGN), said today, Dec. 8, that his colleagues from the developed world were shifting goals to put the burden of financing the implementation of the Paris Agreement on the private sector............

.....Augustine Njamshi, the executive director of the Bioresources Development and Conservation Programme in Cameroon, said: “We have no option, but to use all available means to make things happen.”  “A man who is drowning has no luxury of a choice. Africa is drowning and we have no choice, other than using all means to salvage the continent,” he told IPS.

Nasr said that the African negotiators have been forced to send messages through informal discussions with colleagues from the developed world to salvage the situation.“We are just telling them that if we do not have the components that we have asked for, the package will not be for Africa, and Africa will not be part of it,” he said.
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« Reply #1761 on: December 08, 2018, 07:48:55 PM »
Meanwhile tomorrow at COP 24 there will be a session on finance. Will the moolah be forthcoming to do something real? It feels very much like this conference is being held in the Last Chance Saloon.

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INFORMATION NOTE
High-Level Mandated Events
United Nations Climate Change Conference
Katowice Poland, 2 – 14 December 2018
III. 3rd Biennial Ministerial High-Level Dialogue on Climate Finance - Translating climate finance needs into action
The 3rd biennial ministerial high-level dialogue on climate finance will be convened in the afternoon of Monday, 10 December from 15:00 to 18:00 hrs.
The dialogue on climate finance aims to provide a clear vision on how to ensure further progress on the mobilization of climate finance and will focus on concrete efforts and initiatives on mobilizing finance and investments to translate climate finance needs into action and on enhancing developing countries’ access to climate finance. Against this background, initiatives that have successfully mobilized climate finance and enhanced cooperation on this issue, are expected to be presented. In line with the invitation of the COP, the dialogue will pay particular attention to the issue of enhancing access to climate finance. High-level multi-stakeholder panel discussions will take place in two distinct sessions followed by a last session consisting of an open discussion in plenary where Ministers will be invited to provide their views on the various topics to be addressed. During the dialogue the Standing Committee on Finance (SCF) will present the findings of the 2018 biennial assessment and overview of climate finance flows.


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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1762 on: December 09, 2018, 01:25:56 AM »
3 years since Paris

9 years since Copenhagan

21 years since Kyoto

29 years since Noordwijk

30 years since James Hansen presented his models to congress

50 years since the American Petroleum Institute acknowledged there would be "serious worldwide environmental changes" as a result of increased industrial scale use of fossil fuels

53 years since the President's Science Advisory Committee wrote an executive report on the
consequences of increasing atmospheric CO2

122 years since Svante Arrhenius, Swedish chemist and future nobel laureate predicted that industrial scale use of fossil fuels would warm the climate

2018: Highest global GHG emissions ever
100 billion barrels of oil per day reached for the first time
China now has higher per capita emissions than the EU
India is now increasing its use of gas and oil by 5% per year

What's going on here?
 :-\

graph courtesy of Bob Kopp @bobkopp
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« Reply #1763 on: December 09, 2018, 01:54:57 AM »

What's going on here?
 :-\

That'd be Politics
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« Reply #1764 on: December 09, 2018, 06:49:54 AM »
Minor adjustments while anticipating another decade of rising emissions.

http://www.climatechangeleadership.se/poland-cop-coal-climate/
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However to the dedicated few intimately engaged in the process, Katowice is where the fine words of Paris are translated into something more concrete. Without a rule book, or something similar, Paris remains as little more than a rhetorical aspiration. More worrying still, an anaemic rule book risks sustaining a political appetite for ongoing delay and only minor adjustments to business as usual. If the international community is to respond with purpose to the unequivocal evidence linking ongoing fossil fuel use with climate impacts, it needs a rule book informed by the science and aligned with our explicit Paris commitments.

https://twitter.com/Peters_Glen/status/1071362251381063682
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« Reply #1765 on: December 09, 2018, 08:19:11 AM »
How can scientists and policy makers still pretend like we could avoid 1.5 or 2C with a straight face?

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« Reply #1766 on: December 09, 2018, 08:52:39 AM »
Hope fades.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46496967
Climate change: COP24 fails to adopt key scientific report
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Attempts to incorporate a key scientific study into global climate talks in Poland have failed.

The IPCC report on the impacts of a temperature rise of 1.5C, had a significant impact when it was launched last October.

Scientists and many delegates in Poland were shocked as the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Kuwait objected to this meeting "welcoming" the report.
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« Reply #1767 on: December 10, 2018, 11:25:55 AM »
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« Reply #1768 on: December 10, 2018, 11:57:17 AM »
Michael Mann on that.

Makes all the stuff on the politics threads seem sort of irrelevant and immaterial?
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« Reply #1769 on: December 10, 2018, 12:09:36 PM »
I wouldn't know.
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« Reply #1770 on: December 10, 2018, 01:45:07 PM »
Even the money-men are starting to run scared. The statements below are very stark for people of that ilk.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/10/tackle-climate-or-face-financial-crash-say-worlds-biggest-investors

Tackle climate or face financial crash, say world's biggest investors
UN summit urged to end all coal burning and introduce substantial taxes on emissions

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Global investors managing $32tn issued a stark warning to governments at the UN climate summit on Monday, demanding urgent cuts in carbon emissions and the phasing out of all coal burning. Without these, the world faces a financial crash several times worse than the 2008 crisis, they said.

The investors include some of the world’s biggest pension funds, insurers and asset managers and marks the largest such intervention to date. They say fossil fuel subsidies must end and substantial taxes on carbon be introduced.

Ministers arrive at the UN climate summit in Katowice, Poland, on Monday for its crucial second week, when the negotiations on turning the vision of the Paris agreement into reality reach a critical point, with finance for fighting global warming a key area of dispute.

“The long-term nature of the challenge has, in our view, met a zombie-like response by many,” said Chris Newton, of IFM Investors which manages $80bn and is one of the 415 groups that has signed the Global Investor Statement. “This is a recipe for disaster as the impacts of climate change can be sudden, severe and catastrophic.”

Investment firm Schroders said there could be $23tn of global economic losses a year in the long term without rapid action. This permanent economic damage would be almost four times the scale of the impact of the 2008 global financial crisis. Standard and Poor’s rating agency also warned leaders: “Climate change has already started to alter the functioning of our world.”
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« Reply #1771 on: December 10, 2018, 02:45:58 PM »
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« Reply #1773 on: December 10, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
Fossil fuels are good for you and the planet!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/10/protesters-disrupt-us-panels-fossil-fuels-pitch-at-climate-talks

Protesters disrupt US panel's fossil fuels pitch at climate talks
Official event praising coal, oil and gas met with laughter and chants of ‘shame on you’
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Trump administration presentation extolling the virtues of fossil fuels at the UN climate talks in Poland has been met with guffaws of laughter and chants of “Shame on you”.

Monday’s protest came during a panel discussion by the official US delegation, which used its only public appearance to promote the “unapologetic utilisation” of coal, oil and gas. Although these industries are the main source of the carbon emissions that are causing global warming, the speakers boasted the US would expand production for the sake of global energy security and planned a new fleet of coal plants with technology it hoped to export to other countries.

The event featured prominent cheerleaders for fossil fuels and nuclear power, including Wells Griffith, Donald Trump’s adviser on global energy and climate, Steve Winberg, the assistant secretary for fossil energy at the energy department, and Rich Powell, the executive director of the ClearPath Foundation, a non-profit organisation focused on “conservative clean energy”. The only non-American was Patrick Suckling, the ambassador for the environment in Australia’s coal-enthusiast government.

None of the US participants mentioned climate change or global warming, focusing instead of “innovation and entrepreneurship” in the technological development of nuclear power, “clean coal” and carbon capture and storage.
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« Reply #1774 on: December 11, 2018, 04:52:28 AM »
from COP24 Poland 2018

Presented by UPFSI - The United Planet Faith & Science Initiative

Greta Thunberg, Nils Agger & Liam Geary Baulch join us to introduce the Extinction Rebellion that's begun in the UK this year. We appear to be past the threshold into 'runaway climate change'. If so, the release of Methane in the Arctic ocean will heat the planet unimaginably fast. The collapse of civilization might very possibly lead to our extinction within decades if the predictions of some scientists are correct.

Join us for this program and share with others. We are in extreme danger, and our governments and media are not getting it.

"We can longer save the world by playing by the rules because the rules have to be changed."
Greta Thundberg (pictured below)



Liam Geary Baulch @ 13:30 mins talks about Grief

"We are a Rebellion and we are going to keep going. I think it's also important to talk about how we've been kind of dealing with the grief of what we're facing. We're actually talking about the loss of life. We're talking about the grief that we're experiencing from the life that's already been lost from climate change and the life that is going to be lost."

Related posts with videos on Climate Change and Grief:
Lurk
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg183512.html#msg183512
Neven
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg183625.html#msg183625
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Re: UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond
« Reply #1775 on: December 11, 2018, 06:16:54 AM »
Nordhaus is still stuck, a snippet from this:
https://www.svtplay.se/video/20274038/nobelstudion/nobelstudion-avsnitt-2-1

What do you mean by this?

He's still stuck in his 70's attitude, nothing progressive or new about that.
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Yes, 1.5°C is locked in since Paris and soon we will be locked in at 2°C. Also, 3°C was the optimum temperature according to Nordhaus in the early 70's.
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Why Economists Can't Understand Complex Systems: Not Even the Nobel Prize, William Nordhaus by Ugo Bardi, October 14, 2018:

"Nordhaus' approach to climate change mitigation highlights a general problem with how economists tend to tackle complex systems: their training makes them tend to see changes as smooth and gradual. But real-world systems, normally, do what they damn please, including crashing down in what we call the Seneca Effect."

The follow-up comment to the above contains his paper from 1975 with a couple of quotes.
No wonder he was awarded that fake prize.
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« Reply #1776 on: December 11, 2018, 06:53:52 AM »
Thank you sleepy.

I understand that following on the work of Hyman Minsky some economists like Steve Keen are (again) attempting to bring the mathematics required for modelling complex dynamic systems into economics, having rejected the static equilibrium methods of neo-classical econ.

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« Reply #1777 on: December 11, 2018, 11:56:46 AM »
Caring for the environment is like paying the rent. If you don't, you'll have no place to live.

In Stockholm, apartments are now heated with wood chips from Brazil. What a warm and cozy Christmas we'll have, filled with an abundance of presents and food. Hopefully a cold and white one outside as well. Yes, we just want it all.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/vmBmqp/sa-varmer-amazonas-regnskog-upp-stockholm-i-vinter
Phoenix Rising arrived with wood chips recently, certified by FSC so they are environmentally friendly says Ulf Wikström at Stockholm Exergi AB, large ships are also immensely energy efficient as well.

https://amazonwatch.org/assets/files/2018-complicity-in-destruction.pdf
The company selling those wood chips, is at page 18 & 19 in the pdf above.

Oh, what about COP24? I'll just add a snippet with Stuart Scott from the video Lurk posted above.
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« Reply #1778 on: December 11, 2018, 12:22:50 PM »
Caring for the environment is like paying the rent. If you don't, you'll have no place to live.

In Stockholm, apartments are now heated with wood chips from Brazil. What a warm and cozy Christmas we'll have, filled with an abundance of presents and food. Hopefully a cold and white one outside as well. Yes, we just want it all.

This Biomass thing is a giant blot on the record of environmentalists who went for it, that has given us the palm-oil plantations, wood chips from Brasil, ethanol from sugar in Brasil and from corn in the USA. It was supposed to be intelligent use of excess existing capacity but gave us wholesale environmental destruction. FSC certified is simply a fig-leaf, as my brother found out to his peril in the Philippines.
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« Reply #1779 on: December 11, 2018, 12:35:17 PM »
Caring for the environment is like paying the rent. If you don't, you'll have no place to live.

In Stockholm, apartments are now heated with wood chips from Brazil. What a warm and cozy Christmas we'll have, filled with an abundance of presents and food. Hopefully a cold and white one outside as well. Yes, we just want it all.

This Biomass thing is a giant blot on the record of environmentalists who went for it, that has given us the palm-oil plantations, wood chips from Brasil, ethanol from sugar in Brasil and from corn in the USA. It was supposed to be intelligent use of excess existing capacity but gave us wholesale environmental destruction. FSC certified is simply a fig-leaf, as my brother found out to his peril in the Philippines.

There was a mill near where I live that was shipping pellets made from trees that would otherwise not be harvested to the UK (several thousands of km away). The mill received large government subsidies to start up and operate, only to fold a few years later. But the government is still pushing biomass.

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« Reply #1780 on: December 12, 2018, 09:00:06 AM »
A bit more on Nordhaus.

The Club of Rome to William Nordhaus and the Nobel Committee: “Pursue profitability — even at the cost of the planet?!”
https://medium.com/wedonthavetime/the-club-of-rome-to-william-nordhaus-and-the-nobel-committee-pursue-profitability-even-at-the-37c544e0c03d
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Nordhaus has specifically caused damage by spreading six ideas or concepts, that all help excuse postponing strong climate action:

1. The external cost of climate change grows monotonically as the temperature rises. This has helped reduce the worry that there may be “tipping points” — points of no return — after which it is not possible to return to the world as we know it. The world appears to have passed two such points already, namely the destruction of the coral reefs, and the melting of the permafrost. The first has already partially occurred, and the second may no longer be stopped.

2. It is meaningful to try to measure the total cost of climate change in monetary terms. What is the value lost when the coral reefs will all be bleached and destroyed because of ocean warming? What is the cost of millions of people having to leave their livelihoods because of sea level rise or severe drought conditions?

3. Future damage should be discounted to current costs, using a discount rate which reflects the returns that can be obtained in investments in today’s capitalist society. In order to put a meaningful value on a human life in 2100, one needs instead to use low discount rates, for example, the rate of 1 % per year, chosen by the economist Lord Stern in his famous climate report in 2007. That ethical and realistic rational was attacked by Nordhaus and most other neoclassical macroeconomists as not being “cost-efficient”.

4. In a free market economy, with minimum government intervention, technological innovation (for example substitutes for scarce resources) will emerge fast enough to avoid loss of general wellbeing, because of rising prices for the scarce input and increasing profitability in providing alternatives. This assumption — Nordhaus´ defence when being questioned about possible “tipping points” — is extremely risky.

5. The damage arising from climate change is equally shared by people around the globe. This is clearly not the case. Experience shows us that the world’s poorest and most vulnerable in low-income countries are and will continue to be on the front lines of climate change and climate related disasters.

6. The final and ultimate misleading idea that the wellbeing of the majority is measured precisely by output (i.e. by total national GDP measured at market value), when it is fairly obvious that GDP growth in the capitalist world over the last 40 years has not benefitted the majority of working men and women and in truth has led to greater income inequality and disparity between rich and poor.
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« Reply #1781 on: December 13, 2018, 10:00:38 AM »
CAT December update:
Some progress since Paris, but not enough, as governments amble towards 3°C of warming
https://climateactiontracker.org/publications/warming-projections-global-update-dec-2018/

Meanwhile in Sweden, we will mitigate mitigation.  >:(
https://www.naturskyddsforeningen.se/nyheter/tva-miljarder-mindre-till-miljo-och-klimat
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« Reply #1782 on: December 13, 2018, 09:04:30 PM »
Former U.S. Secretary of State Kerry, in Poland for COP24:
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“Instead of tacitly accepting that inaction is preordained for the remaining two years of the Trump presidency, Congress should send Mr. Trump legislation addressing this crisis,” he wrote. “It will force him to make choices the American people will long remember: Will he say no to deploying solar technology that would turn the American West into the Saudi Arabia of solar? No to turning the Midwest into the Middle East of wind power? No to a manufacturing revolution that could put West Virginia back to work in ways that his beloved coal never will? Make him choose — and let’s find out.”
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« Reply #1783 on: December 13, 2018, 09:52:31 PM »
"High Ambition Coalition" #COP24 countries pledging to step up climate targets in 2020: EU, Canada, Costa Rica, Argentina, New Zealand, Mexico, Norway, island nations including Fiji and the Marshall Islands

Climate change talks lead to heightened pledge to cut emissions
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/12/un-chief-antonio-guterres-attempts-to-revive-flagging-climate-change-talks

Except Australia:
Australia turns back on allies as it refuses to cut emissions above Paris pledge
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/australia-turns-back-on-allies-as-it-refuses-to-cut-emissions-above-paris-pledge
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« Reply #1784 on: December 14, 2018, 12:35:45 AM »
I just crunched the numbers for the EU-28 GHG targets for a paper that I am writing. They have the following targets:

2020: 80% of 1990 levels (one fifth reduction)
2030: 60% (one quarter incremental reduction)
2040: 40% (one third incremental reduction)
2050: 20% (one half incremental reduction)

The hard work pushed well off into the future. It turns out that the EU-28 will overshoot the 2020 figure, hitting about 74% of 1990 levels. To get to 60% they need to reduce by ((74-60)/74) 18.9% in 10 years - easily done with ongoing energy efficiencies and a bit more renewable energy, given the EU-28 slow GDP growth (pretty much business as usual).

They could easily ramp up the 2030 number, just to take into account the 2020 overshoot they should reduce it to 55%. Better 50% if they had some actual ambition. So much for the EU climate leadership! And lets not even talk about using "carbon neutral" wood pellets from the USA and Brazil, and biodiesel from tropical plantations.

Canada hasn't even got the policies in place to meet its current targets, and it (and Norway) are big exporters of fossil fuels. Hypocrisy at its sweetest! Argentina also trying to quickly expand its fracking operations. Have to catch a plane now, to get to my expat place next to the Pacific Ocean in Costa Rica - every year I get more neighbours from the North.
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« Reply #1785 on: December 14, 2018, 06:06:28 AM »
The best discussion from Katowice so far, unless you're part of the high flying climate glitterati.


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« Reply #1786 on: December 16, 2018, 06:44:32 AM »
The wise in Katowice agreed to compromise. Going back to bed.

"We cannot solve a crisis without treating it as a crisis."
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« Reply #1787 on: December 16, 2018, 12:58:20 PM »
The wise in Katowice agreed to compromise. Going back to bed.

"We cannot solve a crisis without treating it as a crisis."
Greta Thunberg

Going back to bed as well. Tomorrow should be snow on the ground here  so deniers come out of their hiding places with erased memories of last summer.
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Amateur observations of Sea Ice since 2003.

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« Reply #1788 on: December 16, 2018, 01:53:17 PM »
 ;)

Leo Hickman on Twitter: "This bit of #COP24 decision text is incredible. I'm amazed it got through, to be honest...”
https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1073975024107827201
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« Reply #1789 on: December 17, 2018, 01:39:51 PM »
Did COP24 change the attached graph produced in November 2017?

Because what I read was that they will finalise the proposed rule-book about measuring CO2 emissions at a conference in 2020, and that if a country does not comply it will be subjected to an enquiry.

Ooooh, scary!
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« Reply #1790 on: December 21, 2018, 12:53:37 PM »
Message from Australia to the USA

"Anything you can do, we can do better"

Australia to miss 2030 emissions targets by vast margin, Coalition's projections reveal

Emissions projections report shows Scott Morrison’s claims Australia will meet obligations under Paris agreement are incorrect

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It projects total emissions in 2030 will be 563 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, which is an emissions reduction of 7% on 2005 levels.

Australia’s targets under the Paris agreement are for a 26% to 28% emissions reduction on 2005 levels.

The report says emissions in 2030 are projected to climb 4% above 2020 levels driven by higher levels of liquefied natural gas production, growth in agriculture, increased transport activity and a drop in the amount of carbon reduction from activities such as reforestation in the land use sector.

The report projects emissions from all sectors, except for electricity, waste and land use, will grow by 2030.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/21/australia-to-miss-2030-emissions-targets-by-vast-margin-coalitions-projections-reveal
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« Reply #1791 on: December 29, 2018, 02:56:38 PM »
The U.S. Congress is becoming noticeable greener since the Dems won the House in the November mid-term elections:

Nancy Pelosi (@NancyPelosi)
12/28/18, 11:34 AM
It is with great enthusiasm that I appoint @USRepKCastor as the Chair of our new Select Committee on the Climate Crisis. We know she will bring great experience, energy & urgency to confronting this existential threat.
https://twitter.com/nancypelosi/status/1078690755194118144

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« Reply #1792 on: December 30, 2018, 05:56:52 AM »
We Don't Have Time.

NIMTOO, or how skewed is your mental model? Should we sue our governments and corporations? Civil disobedience?

Stuart Scott "Our Global Economic Operating System", CEP 24 Nov 2018:

Posted 20181220 124 views now.

Adding screenshots, Rio 1992 and the final words.


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« Reply #1793 on: December 31, 2018, 10:40:42 PM »
The U.S. Congress is becoming noticeable greener since the Dems won the House in the November mid-term elections:

This restart of the select committee on climate change was the Democratic Party establishment's way of shutting down the proposed "Green New Deal". Simply a talking shop that will go nowhere, opposed to the Republicans who are more in your face (truthful?) with their denial.

"The Democratic leadership have selected Rep. Kathy Castor to chair a select committee on climate change they're planning to revive once the 116th Congress comes in session. The move all but ended the push by environmental activists and progressive darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to create a select committee on the Green New Deal, an ambitious reform that seeks to tackle climate change and income inequality in the next decade."

Let's remember that Obama was recently boasting about being behind the recent US oil boom.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/12/220126/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-house-democrats-committee

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/barack-obama-claims-credit-for-boom-in-us-oil-production-praises-paris-climate-accords/

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« Reply #1794 on: January 10, 2019, 06:22:33 PM »
UN Climate Agreement - Paris 2015 and beyond belief, but horribly true

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46801108

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Report: US 2018 CO2 emissions saw biggest spike in years

A new report has found that US carbon dioxide emissions rose by 3.4% in 2018 after three years of decline. The spike is the largest in eight years, according to Rhodium Group, an independent economic research firm.

The data shows the US is unlikely to meet its pledge to reduce emissions by 2025 under the Paris climate agreement. Under President Donald Trump, the US is set to leave the Paris accord in 2020 while his administration has ended many existing environmental protections.

While the Rhodium report notes these figures - pulled from US Energy Information Administration data and other sources - are estimates, The Global Carbon Project, another research group, also reported a similar increase in US emissions for 2018. And last year's spike comes despite a decline in coal-fired power plants; a record number were retired last year, according to the report.

The researchers note that 2019 will probably not repeat such an increase, but the findings underscore the country's challenges in reducing greenhouse gas output.

Many had hoped that carbon cutting actions at state or city level could in some way keep the US on track to meet its commitments made under the Paris climate agreement. The latest emissions data indicate that this is unlikely to happen.
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« Reply #1795 on: January 10, 2019, 09:53:35 PM »
U.S. Electricity Generation By Source

As you can see from the graph below, the big change in the US electricity production in the past few years was between gas and coal, with gas growing from 25% to 40%, an coal declining from 40% to about 28%.. This is for electricity OUTPUT, not electricity CAPACITY, and therefore properly reflects the lower capacity utilization of wind and solar (and the variability).

If the US state properly accounted for fugitive methane emissions in their greenhouse gas reporting there would have been no reporting of a reduction in US emissions in previous years - as it was mostly driven by the move from coal to fracked gas. The 2018 numbers would also be even worse than reported.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Coal-Use-Rises-As-Renewables-Fall-In-US-Electricity-Generation.html
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« Reply #1796 on: January 10, 2019, 10:33:16 PM »
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That's a rather dismal 5 yr. chart.


If demand should increase substantially over the next 5 to 7 years I don't see nuclear or hydro filling the gap. Wind and solar would increase numerically, but probably not as a percentage. Cutting back coal and gas would be out of the question.


I share your concerns about fracked gas, and believe that exported LNG produced from fracked NG is particularly dirty.
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« Reply #1797 on: January 10, 2019, 10:51:12 PM »
More than agree on fracked gas for LNG, all the fugitive emissions then spending 40% of the embedded energy to freeze/unfreeze and transport. If the lack of climate dimming sulphate emissions, with respect to coal, is added in its even worse for the climate (although perhaps not for the lungs). A bridge fuel to nowhere.

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« Reply #1798 on: January 15, 2019, 09:03:15 PM »
On the one hand.....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/15/immediate-fossil-fuel-phaseout-could-arrest-climate-change-study
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Immediate fossil fuel phaseout could arrest climate change – study
Scientists say it may still technically be possible to limit warming

Climate change could be kept in check if a phaseout of all fossil fuel infrastructure were to begin immediately, according to research.

It shows that meeting the internationally agreed aspiration of keeping global warming to less than 1.5C above pre-industrial levels is still possible. The scientists say it is therefore the choices being made by global society, not physics, which is the obstacle to meeting the goal.

The study found that if all fossil fuel infrastructure – power plants, factories, vehicles, ships and planes – from now on are replaced by zero-carbon alternatives at the end of their useful lives, there is a 64% chance of staying under 1.5C.

and on the other hand....
Brexit - UK government defeated in the House of Commons by 434 votes to 202,
USA- The federal government's partial shutdown became the longest in American history on Jan. 12, stretching into its 22nd day to surpass a 21-day record set in 1995. And it's still going. (USA today)
Brazil, no hope,
EU in turmoil - Poland, Hungary etc etc

BAU ?
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« Reply #1799 on: January 15, 2019, 10:25:24 PM »
BAU ?

Its more like "we have way more important things to deal with so don't bother me with climate change". If the global economy goes into recession this year or next, which is looking more and more likely, the emergency of the day will be how to reignite growth - immaterial of the energy sources to be used.