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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #400 on: May 19, 2023, 11:13:04 AM »
I also presume sending CO2 underground is eventually a dead end as the holes in the ground are of a finite size?
In this video that I watched yesterday, he claims that we can store up to 25,000 billion tons of CO2. The video starts where he says we could store unlimited amounts of CO2 in basalt layers. I would recommend watching the entire video. It's pretty good!



I still need to find or make a thread that is dedicated to land-based CDR, and not ocean-based CDR, because CDR is different from CCS, as I explained on the Ocean CDR thread. What do you think, Kassy? Should I open a separate thread for land-based CDR? Discuss it here? Or rename the Ocean CDR thread one more time to Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) so that we can make a clear distinction between CDR and CCS? I'm not sure what to do... I would like to keep land-based CDR separate from ocean-based CDR and CCS. But then we have 3 treads discussing carbon removal... Maybe rename this thread "CDR and CCS"? I really don't know what's best...  :-[

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Carbon dioxide removal (CDR), also known as carbon removal, greenhouse gas removal (GGR) or negative emissions, is a process in which carbon dioxide gas (CO2) is removed from the atmosphere by deliberate human activities and durably stored in geological, terrestrial, or ocean reservoirs, or in products.

CDR can be confused with carbon capture and storage (CCS), a process in which carbon dioxide is collected from point-sources such as gas-fired power plants, whose smokestacks emit CO2 in a concentrated stream.
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #401 on: May 19, 2023, 04:07:01 PM »
Just post it here. I don´t see how it is different. We take out carbon and store it?
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #402 on: May 22, 2023, 11:29:13 AM »
Can ‘enhanced rock weathering’ help combat climate change?

In a quarry surrounded by the din of heavy machinery Jim Mann crouches down and picks up a handful of tiny black rocks.

"This is my magic dust," he says with a smile, gently rubbing them between his fingers.

He's holding pieces of basalt. It's a hard volcanic rock that is neither rare nor particularly remarkable.

But through a process known as 'enhanced rock weathering' it could help to cool our overheating planet.

UN scientists are now clear that reducing greenhouse gas emissions alone won't be enough to stop dangerous levels of warming. They say there will need to be some carbon dioxide removal - actively taking it out of the atmosphere.

Planting trees is the most natural way of doing this but has its limitations; the CO2 that's captured is released when the wood rots or burns and there are limits to how widely trees can be planted.

Direct Air Capture (DAC), meanwhile, mechanically sucks CO2 out of the atmosphere and stores it underground; it's permanent - but does it make sense to build such an energy intensive process when we're trying to wean ourselves off fossil fuels?

Enhanced rock weathering lies somewhere in between the natural and the man-made. It takes the naturally occurring but very gradual weathering process and turbo-charges it to remove the carbon faster.

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Around us the black hillside is being steadily eaten away, scraped by enormous diggers to make concrete and asphalt for roads. The vibe is more post-nuclear apocalypse than saving the planet.

But the tiny pieces of basalt rock that are left over are prized by Jim's company. They have a useful property - when they weather in the rain they remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

For millennia volcanic rocks and cliffs have been removing carbon slowly while weathering in the rain. Enhanced rock weathering uses tiny pieces to increase the amount of contact between the rain and rock and hence the amount of weathering and carbon removal.

As a cliff, or piled up in the quarry, the basalt weathers very slowly. To maximise the carbon removal it needs to be spread across a greater area.

And that's where local farmers come in, helping the planet while getting free fertilizer in return. As well as locking away carbon, the basalt has been shown in trials to improve both crop yields and the quality of grazing.

Half an hour's drive from the quarry I watch it being scattered on a field.

It requires no specialist equipment. A trailer is loaded with 20 tonnes of basalt before a tractor drags it up and down, a rotating wheel at the back scattering the tiny rocks.

"It's free of charge which is quite important to a farmer," John Logan tells me with a chuckle as the basalt is put on his field. He'd seen UNDO's trials on a neighbouring farm.

"It looks like it's going to make the grass better, so that can only be good for the cattle because they're eating better grass."

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The maths, it must be said, are daunting. UNDO's scientists calculate that four tonnes of basalt rocks are needed to capture one tonne of CO2.

With a typical Brit's CO2 emissions estimated at about 7 tonnes a year that means each of us needs about thirty tonnes, or one and half trailer loads of basalt to be scattered annually just to break even.

UNDO has plans to rapidly scale up over the next few years and has attracted some serious supporters. Microsoft has agreed to pay for 25,000 tonnes of basalt to be scattered on UK fields. As part of the deal Microsoft will also help audit the project and verify that it is working as intended.

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"The essential chemistry of it makes sense," Dr Steve Smith, an expert in carbon removal from Oxford University, told me.

"Measuring how much CO2 would be taken out and where that ultimately goes, is one of the key challenges, and there's no standardized system at the moment."

Ultimately Dr Smith thinks the idea could end up just a standard part of the way land is farmed.

"It's something that can be folded into the way we use land at the moment and deliver a carbon removal benefit alongside other benefits in terms of the way we use land for food and crops," he says.

There are still many questions about just how scaleable it is. UNDO's projects uses by-product from the local quarry - but if this is massively expanded the energy and emissions it takes both to grind up the basalt and then transport and scatter it will need to be factored in.

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"At this point in time, there's no downside, It's a win win for everybody involved." Jim Mann tells me.

This year UNDO is scheduled to planning to spread 185,000 tonnes of basalt and hopes by 2025 to have removed a million tonnes of CO2. It's still a drop in the ocean compared to emissions. In 2022 its thought the world discharged about 37 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65648361
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #403 on: May 22, 2023, 05:20:23 PM »
Hallelujah! It's sinking in...  :)
There is no other way Kassy...
Good to have you aboard!  :)

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you change the world...

But yes, many questions still need to be answered... We're not there yet... But it is a good start!
A realization maybe?



I wonder… Is the BBC reading the ASIF? 🤔
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #404 on: May 22, 2023, 05:41:26 PM »
I also presume sending CO2 underground is eventually a dead end as the holes in the ground are of a finite size?
Just as taking fossil fuels out of holes in the ground is eventually a dead end and the CO2 requiring burial is also finite. However CO2 can be put into holes that contain brine as well as holes that used to contain fossil fuel (and if you want to be sure it stays down there, brine acquifers are the place to put it) and there's also no shortage of those.

Its a dead end because no one is going to pay the level of tax required to do it. Its a mixture of a greenwashing opportunity and a stick to make people find other ways than burning fossil fuel to power their activities. You can fly to Australia on a fossil fueled jet, but its going to cost 3x as much because you've got to pay for the CO2 to be taken out of the atmosphere and buried if you do.

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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #405 on: May 22, 2023, 06:02:30 PM »
Hallelujah! It's sinking in...  :)
There is no other way Kassy...
Good to have you aboard!  :)

You are projecting something.

I have always been a fan of these low cost measures. In the grand scheme of things they only take away small bits but at least you can use them now as shown in the article. They also can´t fail in contrast with many other measures. Our challenge is to get our output so low that these inputs can start to matter together with all the other things we do to store more carbon.
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #406 on: May 22, 2023, 06:09:27 PM »
If we could make little automated solar powered robots that chew on basalt or olivine and place them on steep rock outcroppings we could collect the ground rock where gravity piles it up. Same method might work if fed into watersheds but trace minerals that might cause harm would need to be tested for to determine least harmful source rock.

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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #407 on: May 22, 2023, 06:27:48 PM »
And again that needs building new tech. Would be nice but can we do it efficiently in a short time?

This dust is readily available from many quarries so we just need to start using that.
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #408 on: May 22, 2023, 11:44:52 PM »
That basalt dust has always been absorbing CO2.  It is what happens when the micro crystals of maphic minerals (in basalt) weather into clay minerals.  By spreading it out (on farms or on beaches) it weathers faster.
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The essence of the strategy is to mimic and accelerate natural chemical weathering, whereby minerals dissolve and react with atmospheric CO2 and water (H2CO3 carbonic acid; reaction 1) to form bicarbonate solutions stabilised by solubilised cations (e.g., Ca2+, Mg2+; reactions 2 and 3).
This is basically the 100,000+ year geological solution to climate change.  We mere humans are just impatient!  By the way, the hotter it gets, the faster it works (as long as there is some water around).

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« Reply #409 on: May 23, 2023, 05:20:44 PM »
Do you know if that is a property of just the rock (dust) or is it related to the geologic process?
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« Reply #410 on: May 24, 2023, 03:14:21 AM »
Not exactly sure what you're asking, Kassy, but some minerals (of a certain composition) crystallized in one environment (typically characterized by pressure, temperature and hydration) will be unstable when left on the Earth's surface, and will slowly transform into new minerals.  Maphic minerals (e.g., olivine, pyroxene, hornblende, etc.) will turn into various clay minerals (while adding carbon into their formulas).  Quartz remains stable in a very wide set of conditions (P-T-wize). A rock broken into small pieces will "weather" faster than one one not broken up.  If crushed into clay-sized particles (less than 0.002 mm in diameter: a different "clay" from "clay minerals"), some will whether very quickly.


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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #411 on: May 24, 2023, 09:14:05 PM »
Well that says rock dust.

You mentioned the long term weathering and there is also this mechanism which goes warmer earth more rain so more natural rock weathering mainly in the tropics.

Anyway:

The maths, it must be said, are daunting. UNDO's scientists calculate that four tonnes of basalt rocks are needed to capture one tonne of CO2.

With a typical Brit's CO2 emissions estimated at about 7 tonnes a year that means each of us needs about thirty tonnes, or one and half trailer loads of basalt to be scattered annually just to break even.


So how much of that 7 tonnes would be left if heating for homes and all personal cars use is removed?
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Re: Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS)
« Reply #412 on: May 30, 2023, 08:11:47 AM »
In a recent field trial - involving Greenlandic glacial rock flour applied to a Danish acidic soil - it was demonstrated that yields went up by some 19-24% 1-2 years after application of 50 t of rock flour per ha. At the same time, carbon sequestration increased due to weathering by up to 700 kg per ha. Even more promising results are on their way from similar field trials's in Ghana.

See more here (in Danish): https://politiken.dk/viden/art9322732/Dansk-forskerhold-har-fundet-en-effektiv-CO2-st%C3%B8vsuger

And here: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijggc.2023.103872

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« Reply #413 on: May 30, 2023, 08:32:25 AM »
In a recent field trial - involving Greenlandic glacial rock flour applied to a Danish acidic soil - it was demonstrated that yields went up by some 19-24% 1-2 years after application of 50 t of rock flour per ha. At the same time, carbon sequestration increased due to weathering by up to 700 kg per ha. Even more promising results are on their way from similar field trials's in Ghana.

See more here (in Danish): https://politiken.dk/viden/art9322732/Dansk-forskerhold-har-fundet-en-effektiv-CO2-st%C3%B8vsuger

And here: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijggc.2023.103872

Now if we could only stop putting CO2 up there in the first place this might be a really good mechanism for getting it back out again.

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« Reply #414 on: May 30, 2023, 05:37:24 PM »
Yes but that goes for everything.

The fact that this addition improves soil is an extra bonus. This works for several rock types so those are a number of fairly low cost methods with an extra benefit. It does not need too much extra inputs.

Of course we are going to need some more expensive stuff later.



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« Reply #415 on: May 30, 2023, 05:37:34 PM »
Now also in the Guardian.

Rock ‘flour’ from Greenland can capture significant CO2, study shows

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/30/rock-flour-greenland-capture-significant-co2-study

Rock “flour” produced by the grinding under Greenland’s glaciers can trap climate-heating carbon dioxide when spread on farm fields, research has shown for the first time.

Natural chemical reactions break down the rock powder and lead to CO2 from the air being fixed in new carbonate minerals. Scientists believe measures to speed up the process, called enhanced rock weathering (ERW), have global potential and could remove billions of tonnes of CO2 from the atmosphere, helping to prevent extreme global heating.

Soil fertility naturally depends on rock weathering to provide essential nutrients, so enhancing the process delivers an extra benefit. Spreading the Greenland rock flour on fields in Denmark, including those growing barley for the Carlsberg brewery, significantly increased yields.

Greenland’s giant ice sheet produces 1bn tonnes a year of rock flour, which flows as mud from under the glaciers. This means the potential supply of rock flour is essentially unlimited, the researchers said, and removing some would have very little effect on the local environment.

The weathering process is relatively slow, taking decades to complete, but the researchers said ERW could make a meaningful difference in meeting the key target of net zero emissions by 2050. Phasing out the burning of fossil fuels remains the most critical climate action, but most scientists agree that ways of removing CO2 from the atmosphere will also be needed to avoid the worst effects of the climate crisis.

“If you want something to have a global impact, it has to be very simple,” said Prof Minik Rosing at the University of Copenhagen, who was part of the research team. “You can’t have very sophisticated things with all kinds of hi-tech components. So the simpler the better, and nothing is simpler than mud.”

He added: “Above all this is a scalable solution. Rock flour has been piling up in Greenland for the past 8,000 years or so. The whole Earth’s agricultural areas could be covered with this, if you wished.”

Other researchers are investigating the use of mechanically ground rock for ERW. “But unlike other sources, glacial rock flour does not need any processing,” said Dr Christiana Dietzen, also at the University of Copenhagen. The rock flour weathers extremely slowly in the cold conditions in Greenland, but the process speeds up when it is spread in warmer places.

The research on the CO2 uptake of Greenland rock flour, published in the International Journal of Greenhouse Gas Control, estimated that 250kg of CO2 can be trapped per tonne of rock flour. After three years in soil in Denmark, the researchers found about 8% of this had been achieved. The scientists also calculated that 27m tonnes of CO2 could be captured if all farmland in Denmark was spread with the rock flour, an amount similar to the country’s total annual CO2 emissions.

Another study by the same team, published in the journal Nutrient Cycling in Agroecosystems, showed increases in yields of maize and potatoes of 24% and 19% respectively after rock flour was spread in Denmark. Dietzen hopes the first commercial applications will be spread within three years.

The team is also running experiments in less fertile soils, in Ghana, where even greater increases in maize yield have been seen. “In environments like Ghana, the fertiliser benefit alone may be enough reason to import glacial rock flour,” Dietzen said, though the impact of transporting the rock flour long distances from Greenland would have to be weighed up.

Other ERW research has used mechanically ground basalt and a 2020 study estimated that treating about half of global farmland with this could capture 2bn tonnes of CO2 each year, equivalent to the combined emissions of Germany and Japan.

Prof David Beerling at the University of Sheffield, who led the 2020 work, said basalt had significant advantages. Its chemical composition absorbs CO2 faster than glacial rock flour, may increase crop yields by more and it is widely available close to many farming areas. “We need all the weapons we can muster in the fight against climate change and my sense is that glacial rock flour could be a useful one,” he said. “But it is not a gamechanger.”

However, the rock flour is much finer than the ground basalt and so exposes more surface area to weathering. The advantages and disadvantages of both types of rock dust are still being studied. The Danish group is planning trials in Australia and assessing the energy requirements of shipping. Beerling’s team expects to publish results of yield gains in corn following basalt application in the US in the near future. “I don’t think it has to be one or the other. I think there’s probably room for both,” said Rosing.

Other proposed ways of pulling CO2 from the atmosphere include using technology to capture it directly from the air, or growing energy crops, burning them to produce electricity and then burying the CO2 emissions. The 2020 study suggested ERW would be less expensive than either and, unlike energy crops, does not compete with food for land.

Greenland is usually in the news because of the huge and accelerating melting of its ice cap, which is driving up sea level. Rosing, who is originally from Greenland, said: “It would be much nicer for the nation to be part of the [climate] solution, rather than just a symptom of the problem.”
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« Reply #416 on: May 30, 2023, 05:40:15 PM »
Nice, the danish news article does not show more then the start but this will be more or less the same.
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« Reply #417 on: May 30, 2023, 11:59:40 PM »
A fear of mine of using "generic" Greenland rock flour is that the clay sized particles of quartz will cause silicosis in those who work with it the most.  I find it hard to believe ground up quartz has any benefit for most farm soils.  Ground up basalt and other mafic rocks have the benefit, I believe, of not containing any quartz. (They do contain silica, but not in the form SiO2.)

The advantage of using glacially produced rock flour is it has already been ground up.  A few decades ago, however, I read somewhere that it wasn't too expensive to crush rock, so that any place with accessible green electricity might best use a local source of mafic rock.

Loess plains (famously in China but found in many places) are covered with many meters of this rock flour that has blown in from wherever continental glaciers left their mark.  I'm curious how weathered these soils are (away from the surface).  Loess is usually referred to as having "silt sized" particles.  Sand sized particles, of course, aren't transported as easily as finer debris.  I'm guessing most clay sized particles weather into clay and carbonate minerals promptly, and aren't recognizable as "grains".

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« Reply #418 on: May 31, 2023, 05:26:53 PM »
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A fear of mine of using "generic" Greenland rock flour is that the clay sized particles of quartz will cause silicosis in those who work with it the most.

Reading the article it is a mix in once and then wait thing so there not be that much work putting humans at risk. Good to know that this is Loess.
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« Reply #419 on: June 01, 2023, 11:25:37 AM »
Here is another CCS project which is relatively cheap...

Can growing algae in the desert help undo some of our damage to the climate? Start-up Brilliant Planet thinks so

Around 650 million years ago an explosion of algae kick-started human life. Now, this broad group of aquatic organisms could hold the key to help humanity in a very different way - or so says one start-up that is growing algae in the Moroccan desert.

When microscopic algae get the right surge of nutrients from an ocean current, they can multiply exponentially, creating swirling blooms that ripple through the ocean in a range of eye-catching colours from lime green and yellow to turquoise and electric blue.

Algae aren't plants, nor animals either, but they do photosynthesise as they grow. The thousands of algae species that exist together remove more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere even than forests, pumping out oxygen in exchange.

"Algae are the unsung heroes of carbon removal," says Adam Taylor, whose UK-based company Brilliant Planet is tapping their potential to combat climate change.

Every year, countries are emitting about 37 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide by burning fossil fuels, and counting. That figure is supposed to reach almost zero in less than 30 years, to fend off further global heating.

Algae is responsible for about half of all of that carbon dioxide that gets removed.

Brilliant Planet, a start-up backed by venture capital and Innovate UK, the government’s innovation agency, wants to increase that figure by replicating those blooms on land.

It’s growing algae in its pilot site in Akhfennir, a sleepy coastal town in the desert in southwest Morocco. This reddish Saharan landscape, where not even a blade of grass grows, now hosts bright green ponds that are teeming with life.

Using wind power, they pump in seawater to feed the local algae species, which grow at pace for about 30 days, before being harvested.

“We then dry the algae and bury it in the desert, and that keeps that carbon removed from the atmosphere, locked away for thousands of years,” explains Mr Taylor, the CEO.

The dried algae flakes are so dry, salty - up to 40% salt - and acidic, they’re effectively mummified before they’re buried in a semi-sealed “tomb”.

"From a technical perspective, it's impossible for it to rot," says Mr Taylor.

The process also de-acidifies the sea-water, which is then pumped back out to sea.

much more on:

https://news.sky.com/story/can-growing-algae-in-the-desert-help-undo-some-of-our-damage-to-the-climate-start-up-brilliant-planet-thinks-so-12887480
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« Reply #420 on: June 01, 2023, 03:16:24 PM »
It is interesting because bury it deep enough and put enough pressure on it and you will get a salt dome on top of Oil in a few million years.
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« Reply #421 on: August 08, 2023, 10:41:35 PM »
Carbon Capture and Storage projects in Denmark at risk from bitumen formation


Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) is increasingly being cited to help our global warming crisis by reducing greenhouse gas emissions through capturing carbon dioxide and storing deep underground. In the Danish North Sea, chalk rocks below the sea bed hold depleted oil and gas reserves and are now being considered for storing carbon dioxide to capitalize upon the pre-established infrastructure from the fossil fuel industry.

However, new research published in Marine and Petroleum Geology has considered the potential issues arising from interaction of the stored carbon dioxide with oil and gas (hydrocarbon) residues left in the rock, which can be up to 30% in chalk and 60% in sandstones.

Rasmus Stenshøj from Aarhus University, Denmark, and colleagues at the Energy & Environmental Research Center, U.S., conducted an experiment on a chalk sample of a few centimeters dating to the Upper Cretaceous (66 to ~100 million years ago) from the Halfdan Field of the North Sea.

The researchers recreated the environmental conditions of the rock from the seabed before injecting supercritical carbon dioxide (when it has properties of both a gas and liquid above a certain temperature and pressure) into the rock over a period of nine days. They then used a series of chemical and physical techniques to analyze the hydrocarbons present in rock samples taken before and after supercritical carbon dioxide injection.

Based upon temperature, different forms of hydrocarbons are present: light oil at 0–100°C, mobile oil at 100–200°C, semi-mobile oil at 200–300°C, immobile oil at 300–375°C and bitumen at 375–650°C.

Initial results revealed that the supercritical carbon dioxide caused lighter hydrocarbons to move through the rock, while heavier forms, such as bitumen and asphaltene-rich immobile oil, were left behind. This can cause blockages in the mobilization of the carbon dioxide through the rock and hamper the efficiency of the Carbon Capture and Storage system.

Importantly, the researchers found that the change in pressure at the exit point of the system resulted in more of the bitumen and other heavy hydrocarbon deposits, comprising up to 10.5% of the total rock volume here, whereas before the experiment this was just 4.17%. There is overall a distinct trend in increasing heavy hydrocarbon deposition through the system up to the exit point, thought to result from absorption of hydrocarbons by the supercritical carbon dioxide changing its solubility. Stenshøj and collaborators term this increasing bitumen from inlet to outlet the Avalanche Effect.

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https://phys.org/news/2023-08-carbon-capture-storage-denmark-bitumen.html
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« Reply #422 on: August 09, 2023, 08:37:46 AM »
Nice find, Kassy

This may put an end to the wishful thinking of an extended oil, gas and CCS exploration in the North sea.

Knowing all to well the affinity of old gas and oil folks towards high pressure and heavy equipment, one may revert to the old saying: 'Gentle does it'.

At least this info is out in the open now. Just need some responsible decision-makers to fathom the consequences.

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Just need some responsible decision-makers to fathom the consequences.

Going on the historic record we don´t have any. Most plans thrown around don´t have that much merit and the one that does costs them (not us) too much money.
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« Reply #424 on: October 10, 2023, 06:11:19 PM »
Capturing CO2 with electricity: A microbial enzyme inspires electrochemistry

Humanity continuously emits greenhouse gases and thereby worsens global warming. Increasing research efforts go into developing strategies to convert these gases, such as carbon dioxide (CO2), into valuable products. CO2 accumulates dramatically over the years and is chemically very stable, thus challenging to transform. Yet, for billions of years, some microbes have actively captured CO2 using highly efficient enzymes. Scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Marine Microbiology in Bremen together with the Universities of Geneva and Radboud isolated one of these enzymes. When the enzyme was electronically branched on an electrode, they observed the conversion of CO2 to formate with perfect efficiency. This phenomenon will inspire new CO2-fixation systems because of its remarkable directionality and rates. The results have now been published in the journal Angewandte Chemie.

Seeking microorganisms that efficiently capture the greenhouse gas CO2

"The enzymes employed by the microorganisms represent a fantastic playground for scientists as they allow highly specific reactions at fast rates," says Tristan Wagner, head of the Max Planck Research Group Microbial Metabolism at the Max Planck Institute for Marine Microbiology (MPIMM). Some of these enzymes have an interesting way of capturing CO2: They transform it into formate, a stable and safe compound that can be used to store energy or to synthesize various molecules for industrial or pharmaceutical purposes. One example is Methermicoccus shengliensis, a methanogen (a microbe producing methane) isolated from an oilfield and growing at 50 °C. It has been cultivated and studied over the past years by Julia Kurth and Cornelia Welte at Radboud University in the Netherlands. At the Max Planck Institute for Marine Microbiology, Olivier Lemaire, Mélissa Belhamri and Tristan Wagner dissected the microbe to find its CO2-capturing enzyme and measure how fast and efficiently it can transform CO2.

A CO2-converting enzyme with great potential

The Max Planck-scientists undertook the challenging task to isolate the microbial enzyme. "Since we knew that such enzymes are sensitive to oxygen, we had to work inside an anaerobic tent devoid of ambient air to separate it from the other proteins -- quite complicated, but we succeeded," says Olivier Lemaire. Once isolated, the scientists characterized the enzyme's properties. They showed that it efficiently generates formate from CO2 but performs the reverse reaction at very slow rates and poor yield. "Similar enzymes belonging to the family of formate dehydrogenases are well known to operate in both directions, but we showed that the enzyme from Methermicoccus shengliensis is nearly unidirectional and could not efficiently convert the formate back into CO2," reports Mélissa Belhamri. "We were quite thrilled by this phenomenon, occurring only in the absence of oxygen," she adds. "Since the formate generated from CO2-fixation cannot be transformed back and therefore accumulates, such a system would be a highly interesting candidate for CO2-capture, especially if we could branch it on an electrode," Tristan Wagner points out. The advantage of that: With the enzyme naturally or chemically attached to an electrode, the "energy" required to capture the CO2 will be directly delivered by the electrode, without electric current loss or the need for expensive or toxic chemical compounds as relays. Consequently, the enzyme-bound electrodes are efficient and attractive systems for gas conversion procedures. Thus, the purified enzyme was sent to the University of Geneva to set up an electrode-based CO2-capture system.

Electricity-based gas conversion

Selmihan Sahin and Ross Milton from the University of Geneva are specialists in electrochemistry. They use electrodes connected to electric current to perform chemical reactions. The electrode-based formate generation from CO2 often requires polluting and rare metals, and that is why they tried to replace these metals with the enzyme extracted in the group of Tristan Wagner at the MPIMM. The procedure of enzyme binding on an electrode is not always as efficient as expected, but the enzyme from Wagner's research group has specific characteristics that could facilitate the process. The scientists from Switzerland managed to fix the enzyme on a graphite electrode, where it performed the gas conversion. The measured rates were comparable to those obtained with classic formate dehydrogenases. "The strength of this biological system coupled to the electrode lies in its efficiency in transferring the electrons from the electricity towards CO2 transformation," highlights Lemaire. Sahin and Milton also confirmed that the system performs the reverse reaction poorly, as previously observed in the reaction tube. Consequently, the modified electrode continuously converted the greenhouse gas to formate without any detectable side-products generated or electric current loss.

Towards a new solution for atmospheric CO2 utilization

The collaborative work provides a new molecular tool to the scientific community: An enzyme converting CO2 by transferring electricity with high efficiency. Renewable green energy (e.g., wind or solar) could provide electricity to the electrode-based system that would turn CO2 into formate, a molecule directly usable for applications or to store energy. "Before us, no one ever tried to study an enzyme from such a methanogen for an electrode-based gas conversion," says Tristan Wagner. "Yet, methanogens are natural outstanding gas converters." As powerful as they could be, employing enzymes for large-scale processes would also require similar-scale enzyme production systems, a considerable investment. Therefore, while the discovered strategy could, in theory, significantly improve CO2 transformation, a deep knowledge of the enzyme mechanism is necessary before its application, and the team of researchers will now have to dissect in depth the molecular secrets of the reaction.

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« Reply #425 on: October 19, 2023, 11:46:15 AM »
Lakers legend Rick Fox built a house that can suck CO2 out of the atmosphere

A new house in the Bahamas is built with an alternative concrete that sucks CO2 out of the air. It’s a home that’s supposed to help in the fight against climate change, and the plan is to build 999 more like it.

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Concrete just happens to be a major source of the greenhouse gas emissions causing more intense storms, wildfires, and other catastrophes through climate change. The culprit is actually cement, a key ingredient in concrete that alone is responsible for more than 8 percent of carbon dioxide emissions globally.

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Soon after, he met California-based architect Sam Marshall, whose home had sustained damage in the 2018 Woolsey fire, one of the most destructive blazes in the state’s history. Marshall had already “caught lightning in a bottle,” according to Fox. Working with material scientists, they’d developed a way to make concrete without using carbon-intensive cement. Together, they co-founded Partanna.

The pair are pretty tight-lipped around the process, but the main ingredients are brine from desalination plants and a byproduct of steel production called slag. By getting rid of cement as an ingredient, Partanna can avoid the carbon dioxide emissions that come with it. Making cement produces a lot of climate pollution because it has to be heated to high temperatures in a kiln and because it triggers a chemical reaction that releases additional CO2 from limestone.

Partanna says its mixture can cure at ambient temperatures, so it doesn’t have to use as much energy. It also says binder ingredients in the mixture absorb CO2 from the air and trap it in the material. In a home or building, the material continues to pull in CO2. Even if that structure is demolished, the material holds onto the CO2 and can be reused as an aggregate to make more of the alternative concrete.

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/16/23916106/nba-lakers-rick-fox-concrete-alternative-house-partanna-climate-change

This seems an excellent way to utilize the two waste streams where they are available.
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« Reply #426 on: October 21, 2023, 03:49:46 PM »
A company backed by BlackRock has abandoned plans to build a 1,300-mile pipeline across the US Midwest to collect and store carbon emissions from the corn ethanol industry following opposition from landowners and some environmental campaigners.
 
Carbon capture pipeline nixed after widespread opposition
Navigator CO₂ says regulatory hurdles are too much to overcome.
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Navigator CO₂ on Friday said developing its carbon capture and storage (CCS) project called Heartland Greenway had been “challenging” because of the unpredictable nature of regulatory and government processes in South Dakota and Iowa.

Navigator’s decision to scrap its flagship $3.1 billion project—one of the biggest of its kind in the US—is a blow for a fledgling industry that is an important part of President Joe Biden’s climate strategy. CCS projects attempt to lock carbon underground for decades, preventing it from adding to heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.

It also represents a setback for the carbon-intensive corn ethanol refining industry, a pillar of the rural Midwestern economy which is targeting industry-scale CCS as a way to reduce emissions.

Navigator’s project would have laid pipelines across five US states—South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois—to collect CO₂ from ethanol and fertilizer plants and pipe the gas to an underground storage site in Illinois.

It was backed by several deep-pocketed investors, including BlackRock, US oil refiner Valero Energy and Poet, a top US biofuel refiner.

Matt Vining, Navigator’s chief executive, said: “As good stewards of capital and responsible managers of people, we have made the difficult decision to cancel the Heartland Greenway project.”

Heartland Greenway is part of a wave of CCS projects aiming to tap into billions of dollars in tax breaks available under the Inflation Reduction Act, the landmark climate law signed by Biden last year. The incentives aim to help companies build carbon capture infrastructure, which has not yet proven it is commercially viable on a large scale.

The project faced opposition from local landowners, who expressed concerns about safety and property seizures, and some environmentalists who describe CO₂ pipelines as dangerous and a way to prop up the fossil fuels industry, which already has a network of such infrastructure. …
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/carbon-capture-pipeline-nixed-after-widespread-opposition/
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« Reply #427 on: November 21, 2023, 10:12:17 AM »
Climate Plans That Rely Too Much on Carbon Removal Could Breach International Law


Countries that rely too heavily on carbon removal in their climate plans could violate international law, warns a new paper.

To keep warming to 1.5 degrees C, the world must cut emissions nearly in half by the end of this decade and zero out emissions by mid-century, but given the extraordinary challenge of overhauling the global energy system in such short order, experts say that it will be necessary to draw down emissions by planting trees, for instance, or deploying machines that soak up carbon dioxide.

“There is no way to meet the Paris Agreement target of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees without removing some carbon dioxide from the atmosphere,” said Rupert Stuart-Smith, a professor of climate law at the University of Oxford and lead author of the paper. But, he said, climate plans that do too little to cut emissions in the short term and lean too heavily on carbon removal over the long term could breach international law.

Such plans may allow warming to surpass 1.5 degrees C, necessitating the use of carbon removal to bring temperatures back down. Today’s leaders would burden future generations both with more intense warming and with the difficult task of cleaning up excess emissions, in violation of the Paris Agreement, which calls for “fair” and “ambitious” climate commitments “in line with the best available science.”

Even climate commitments that are consistent with 1.5 degrees of warming “may still be inconsistent with international law norms,” owing to their heavy reliance on carbon removal, said the paper, published in Science. Carbon removal remains largely unproven at scale and over the long term. Countries may fail to drawn down emissions if, for instance, carbon capture technology remains too costly. Or they may see their efforts undone if, say, newly planted forests succumb to worsening drought and fire.

Without legal guidance on the use of carbon removal, said study coauthor Joeri Rogelj, of Imperial College London, governments may face court challenges for their overreliance.

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/carbon-removal-international-law
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« Reply #428 on: November 22, 2023, 12:50:30 PM »
The required guidance is easy - if your plan includes carbon removal as a major item, it's not a plan, just kicking the can down the road and playing pretend with magical thinking.

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« Reply #429 on: January 17, 2024, 03:30:48 AM »
Excellent video on CCS this week from just have a think.

90% of the world is religious, but somehow "love thy neighbour" became "fuck thy neighbours", if they don't agree with your point of view.

WTF happened?