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« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2019, 12:48:21 PM »
gerontocrat, it has been warned for a lot more than a decade. I once read a "Golden Age" scifi story where explorers went to Venus to get antibiotics from the fungus jungles and swamps of the planet, because overuse of antibiotics had made all terrestrial ones useless.

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« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2019, 05:30:20 AM »
As a former hay fever sufferer...
Pollenpcalypse:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/us/extreme-pollen-north-carolina.html


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« Reply #153 on: June 03, 2019, 11:37:00 PM »
gerontocrat, it has been warned for a lot more than a decade. I once read a "Golden Age" scifi story where explorers went to Venus to get antibiotics from the fungus jungles and swamps of the planet, because overuse of antibiotics had made all terrestrial ones useless.

and another one you make me angry to be honest this is horrible
You're just angry you won't be able to keep your Venusian antibiotics all to yourself after this wonderful insight.


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« Reply #157 on: July 09, 2019, 02:37:15 AM »
Indoor Carbon Dioxide Levels Could Be a Health Hazard, Scientists Warn
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/08/indoor-carbon-dioxide-levels-could-be-a-health-hazard-scientists-warn

Indoor levels of carbon dioxide could be clouding our thinking and may even pose a wider danger to human health, researchers say.

Writing in the journal Nature Sustainability, Hernke and colleagues report that they considered 18 studies of the levels of CO2 humans are exposed to, as well as its health impacts on both humans and animals.

Traditionally, the team say, it had been thought that CO2 levels would need to reach a very high concentration of at least 5,000 parts per million (ppm) before they would affect human health. But a growing body of research suggests CO2 levels as low as 1,000ppm could cause health problems, even if exposure only lasts for a few hours.

The team say crowded or poorly ventilated classrooms, office environments and bedrooms have all been found to have levels of CO2 that exceed 1,000ppm, and are spaces that people often remain in for many hours at a time. Air-conditioned trains and planes have also been found to exceed 1,000ppm.

“Indoor environments are of much more concern presently and for many people that is where they spend 60-80% of their time,” said Hernke, although projections suggest by 2100 some large cities might reach outdoor CO2 levels of 1,000ppm for parts of the year.

The team found a number of studies have looked at the impact of such levels on human cognitive performance and productivity. In one study of 24 employees, cognitive scores were 50% lower when the participants were exposed to 1,400ppm of CO2 compared with 550ppm during a working day.

The team additionally looked at the impact of CO2 levels on animals, finding that a few hours’ exposure to 2,000 ppm was linked to inflammatory responses that could lead to damage to blood vessels. There is also tentative evidence suggesting that prolonged exposure to levels between 2,000 and 3,000ppm is linked to effects including stress, kidney calcification and bone demineralisation.

The team add that rising outdoor levels of CO2 will mean rising indoor levels – a situation that could be exacerbated by greater use of certain air-conditioning units, people spending more time inside, energy-saving building techniques, and increasing urbanisation.

Direct human health risks of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide 
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-019-0323-1.epdf?referrer_access_token=ZrMe7hX0pkYVeRGhRZuXONRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nmh56_6v6IG1wyUXiF6sNTHAt-0vDDZqKRyKQg__8_oxrm08uvJsMrDK8PUmvmArkegYALMahVANSDeRSyA8bTgKfjffuaO26tlP3hD6cHFJFm0RG8oSheeD0KC5mI-WlSIvZFjIL2uyZaN9KCm3_Lbdv7vGDkqNLiWzCKvPLh_8frf88zlrpECCEpeNnT6fFdkuk5mdFgJYeS6LPRWtSJ3t0qVO-l-XeqvTlXVLKdJ67nc_EcZbx81TO5U6j_0n_QhXG5MT4CK9gfI6qiTMLzee9Wjya_IDUap--7UdiybQ%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.theguardian.com
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« Reply #158 on: July 13, 2019, 04:11:28 PM »
TicToc by Bloomberg (@tictoc) 7/11/19, 5:45 PM
India's doctors are buying water for surgery as hospitals run out of clean water
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1149434471910989824

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CNN (@CNN) 7/12/19, 6:40 PM
A Tennessee man died Sunday after he became infected with Vibrio vulnificus, a type of flesh-eating bacteria, while vacationing in Okaloosa County, Florida, his daughter said    cnn.it/2NPxRhl
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1149810676074000384

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Dr. Rick Knabb (@DrRickKnabb) 7/12/19, 6:12 PM
How to stay alive during #Barry? Stay out of the water! Start staying off the roads tonight. It’s harder to see how high floodwaters on roads are at night, & winds will increase and trees could start coming down. Entire communities could flood this weekend. #TurnAroundDontDrown
https://twitter.com/drrickknabb/status/1149803678674690050
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« Reply #164 on: August 06, 2019, 03:35:02 PM »
5,7 million people got malaria so far this year in Burundi, on a population of 11 million people. https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/miljoenen-malariabesmettingen-in-burundi-1-800-mensen-overleden~aa46f0d59/

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« Reply #165 on: August 06, 2019, 04:56:39 PM »
 :o Wow. Half the population got infected.
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« Reply #166 on: August 06, 2019, 09:39:43 PM »
:o Wow. Half the population got infected.
Actually a bit over half.
So far.

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« Reply #167 on: August 06, 2019, 09:48:45 PM »
Why would it be so bad this year ? Insects can pop up in very large numbers in just a short time.

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Re: Health Effects of Climate Change
« Reply #168 on: August 13, 2019, 03:34:29 AM »
Greenlander's mental health is taking a hit:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/12/greenland-residents-traumatised-by-climate-emergency
We are challenging the medical profession to acknowledge the world we are inheriting. Schools and universities aren’t considering how climate change will affect people, from a medical or a psychological perspective, so we are not training a new generation of medical professionals to help people in a fast-changing planet and this is intolerable. We are moving too slowly on this

Aug 13 edit:
Global warming increases ground level ozone, which causes emphysema:
https://thinkprogress.org/epa-ozone-smog-cigarettes-lung-disease-climate-change-435540cd595d/
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« Reply #169 on: August 15, 2019, 09:19:55 PM »
Canadian Paediatric Society: Children's Health vulnerable to AGW
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/climate-change-children-canadian-paediatric-society-1.5247074
The Canadian Paediatric Society says it expects climate change to increasingly affect children's health and is encouraging health-care providers to press all levels of government for measures that curb it.
The society's new guidance paper points to emerging health issues for kids that include heat-sickness, reduced air quality and contaminated water sources.
It also says natural hazards and extreme weather can raise longer-term mental health effects for kids, especially if families are displaced or lose their homes, if relatives die, or if children's health care and schooling is interrupted.

Ugandan malaria spike caused by AGW:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/spike-in-malaria-due-to-climate-change-ugandan-government-says-1.3986428
Uganda’s health ministry has said a sharp rise in malaria is partly attributable to climate change, after more than one million people contracted the disease within the past two months.
This shows an increase of 40 per cent on this period in 2018, according to the government.

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« Reply #170 on: August 15, 2019, 10:57:08 PM »
Canadian Paediatric Society: Children's Health vulnerable to AGW
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/climate-change-children-canadian-paediatric-society-1.5247074
The Canadian Paediatric Society says it expects climate change to increasingly affect children's health and is encouraging health-care providers to press all levels of government for measures that curb it.
The society's new guidance paper points to emerging health issues for kids that include heat-sickness, reduced air quality and contaminated water sources.
It also says natural hazards and extreme weather can raise longer-term mental health effects for kids, especially if families are displaced or lose their homes, if relatives die, or if children's health care and schooling is interrupted.

Ugandan malaria spike caused by AGW:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/spike-in-malaria-due-to-climate-change-ugandan-government-says-1.3986428
Uganda’s health ministry has said a sharp rise in malaria is partly attributable to climate change, after more than one million people contracted the disease within the past two months.
This shows an increase of 40 per cent on this period in 2018, according to the government.


Thank god it's just those damn kids.
We need to divert all possible resources to geriatric studies and care.
Hurry, there may not be much time left!
Terry 8)

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« Reply #171 on: August 16, 2019, 07:27:33 AM »
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Thank god it's just those damn kids.
We need to divert all possible resources to geriatric studies and care.
Hurry, there may not be much time left!
Terry 8)

Hahaha ;)

Might it be a possible way to influence the AGW train drivers? Researching and understanding the old men in power. It's almost only old rich men that are in power everywhere. Either at the forefront or behind the scenes.
Most of these bad people are sick and I suspect, apart from their moral and social dysfunctions, they have serious mental dysfunctions i.e. high levels of insanity. What has happened to them since they were small boys? What is their worldview from upbringing alone? How do they see other humans?

Make their dysfunction a focus, their disabilities.

Warning to the researchers: keep your distance, these people are prone to lash out in the nastiest of ways.
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« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2019, 12:30:19 AM »
Medications Can Raise Heat Stroke Risk. Are Doctors Prepared to Respond as the Planet Warms?
As climate change brings dangerous heat waves, too little is being done to better warn patients or physicians of the growing risk, medical experts say.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20082019/climate-change-prescription-drug-interaction-heat-stroke-risk-doctors-protocol-research

Climate change is one of the biggest threats to American health
Simply put, climate change is an existential threat to our health and continued life on the planet.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/458136-climate-change-is-one-of-the-biggest-threats-to-american-health

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Worsening extreme weather linked to climate change is creating hardships for many, from immediate deaths and injuries to increases in asthma and heat stroke. But the psychological trauma that often accompanies such losses is barely on the map.
Depression, anxiety, suicide and post-traumatic stress disorder tend to increase after floods, storms, wildfires and heatwaves, according to the American Psychological Association (APA), which represents psychologists in the United States.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190819223716-606fb/
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« Reply #173 on: August 23, 2019, 02:39:16 AM »
Rising ocean temperatures intensify paralytic shellfish poisoning levels in Southeast waters
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2019/08/21/rising-ocean-temperatures-intensify-paralytic-shellfish-poisoning-levels-in-southeast-waters/
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Over the last few months levels of paralytic shellfish poisoning in Southeast Alaskan shellfish have been very high. A coalition of tribal organizations is tracking PSP levels to make sure subsistence users can safely harvest shellfish.


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« Reply #174 on: August 23, 2019, 07:34:06 AM »
From the linked article posted by Tom:
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A surplus of sunshine and high temperatures can actually put too many nutrients into the system, resulting in an algal bloom. That imbalance is part of a recent spike in PSP levels in shellfish in Southeast Alaska.

“The general rule of thumb: if anything is doing too well, it’s probably causing the problem. The system really likes to be balanced,” Cash said.

Mussels and clams are filter feeders. So if there’s a toxin in the bloom, it ends up in their flesh. And that’s what we eat. PSP can be fatal at high levels, but just a little bit can cause vomiting, nausea, loss of coordination and other unpleasant symptoms.
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« Reply #175 on: August 23, 2019, 03:03:46 PM »
There has always been a season where harvesting and eating shellfish is ill advised. Is this due to the same reason and the season is just lengthening?

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« Reply #176 on: August 29, 2019, 11:04:35 PM »
As the climate shifts, Central America confronts a deadly dengue outbreak
http://news.trust.org/item/20190828095239-racr1/
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"We are going to see more big outbreaks and we are going to see them in new places," researchers warn

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« Reply #177 on: September 01, 2019, 01:09:18 AM »
As a former hay fever sufferer, this hits home:
'I actually had to call in sick': Why seasonal allergies are getting worse for city dwellers
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/cities-seasonal-allergies-symptoms-worsening-climate-change-1.5256496
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Research backs up Coates's suspicion that a changing climate could be a key factor in the higher concentrations of pollen and other allergens in city air, both in Canada and beyond.

One 2019 study published in the Lancet Planetary Health journal looked at 17 locations around the world, including Winnipeg and Saskatoon, and found over several decades, more than 70 per cent of the cities studied showed increases in annual pollen rates.

"This study, done across multiple continents, highlights an important link between ongoing global warming and public health — one that could be exacerbated as temperatures continue to increase," the authors say.

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« Reply #178 on: September 12, 2019, 06:06:54 PM »
Global Warming Threatens Availability of Essential Brain-Building Fatty Acid
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-global-threaten-availability-essential-brain-building.html

By 2100, 96% of the global population may not have sufficient access to a naturally occurring essential brain-building omega-3 fatty acid, according to a study in the journal Ambio.

Global warming may reduce the availability of Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the most abundant fatty acid found in mammalian brains, which has a crucial role in processes such as neuroprotection, cell survival, and inflammation. Despite its requirement for neural development and health, humans are unable to produce enough of their own DHA. They rely on obtaining the nutrient through a diet of fish and seafood, and/or by taking supplements.

In the aquatic food chain, DHA is produced primarily by algae and the biochemical reactions involved in the process are sensitive to slight changes in temperature. Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an omega-3 fatty acid that is a primary structural component of the human brain, cerebral cortex, skin, and retina.

Dr. Colombo, Mr. Rodgers and colleagues said: "According to our model, global warming could result in a 10 to 58% loss of globally-available DHA in the next 80 years. A decrease in levels will have the greatest effect on vulnerable populations and periods of human development, such as foetuses and infants, and may also affect predatory mammals, especially those in Polar Regions."

Open Access: Stefanie M. Colombo et al, Projected declines in global DHA availability for human consumption as a result of global warming, Ambio (2019)



DHA deficiency is associated with changes in brain function, including learning disabilities, alterations in gene expression, and impaired vision. During pregnancy and early life, DHA is vital for the formation of structures in the brain and eyes.
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« Reply #179 on: September 16, 2019, 05:33:54 PM »
Climate change: How malaria could spiral out of control
https://www.herald.co.zw/climate-change-how-malaria-could-spiral-out-of-control/
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Climate change is having an impact on the spread of malaria in Zimbabwe, anecdotal evidence suggests.

A severe outbreak is spreading in Chimanimani on the eastern border with Mozambique, likely due to warmer temperatures and in the next 60 years could cause Malaria incidences to double.

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« Reply #180 on: September 18, 2019, 07:05:23 PM »
Climate Change Is Having Widespread Health Impacts
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-is-having-widespread-health-impacts/
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Children, pregnant people and the elderly are the most at risk from extreme weather and rising heat. But the impact of the climate crisis—for patients, doctors and researchers—is already being felt across every specialty of medicine, with worse feared to come.
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"Like a sunburn on your lungs": How does the climate crisis impact health?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-impact-on-health-like-a-sunburn-on-your-lungs/
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« Reply #181 on: September 21, 2019, 12:09:46 AM »
How Extreme Weather Threatens People with Disabilities
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-extreme-weather-threatens-people-with-disabilities/
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According to the CDC, one in four American adults, or 61 million people, live with a disability. For many, high temperatures can be a major challenge. Alex Ghenis, a policy and research specialist at the World Institute on Disability, manages New Earth Disability, a project addressing the ways that climate change affects people with disabilities.

There are physical effects for some. Ghenis, for example, has a spinal cord injury that inhibits him from sweating, the body’s primary way of minimizing overheating. Additionally, there are societal aspects, like being more likely to live in poverty, having a harder time accessing transportation, and being more likely to be socially isolated than able-bodied people.

“Climate change – and natural disasters in general – threatens the stability of the built environment, that accessible built environment that supports independent living,” Ghenis said, “Any single disastrous event can throw that out of whack and really endanger people with disabilities.”

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« Reply #182 on: September 24, 2019, 08:19:25 PM »
How climate change threatens our health in the Pacific Northwest
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/how-climate-change-threatens-our-health-in-the-pacific-northwest/?amp=1
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While smoke from wildfires might be climate change’s most obvious impact in Washington, other threats still loom. Some predicted health effects include heatstroke, dehydration, worsened pollen allergies and increased cancer risk. And while local scientists have a plan to fix it, they say they are concerned that no one is carrying it out.

Meanwhile, climate scientists predict more smoky summers. On Wednesday, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) released a study that found that during one year, wildfire smoke in Washington state caused 245 deaths, directly and indirectly. The study pegged the costs of those “premature deaths” at $2.2 billion, and $55 million spent dealing with associated illnesses.

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« Reply #183 on: November 08, 2019, 11:39:46 AM »
First native Zika cases in Europe confirmed as experts warn climate change could bring more

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/07/health/zika-europe-cases-scn-intl/index.html

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While Europe dealt with hundreds of imported cases during the outbreak of the virus three years ago, it never had a native case -- where local mosquitoes developed and spread the virus -- before now.
All three patients developed symptoms within a few days of each other, the ECDC said, meaning they were likely part of the same transmission cycle. They have recovered, and the risk to residents and travelers to the region is low, the organization added
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« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2019, 05:47:21 PM »
Exposure to PM 2.5 Pollution Linked to Brain Atrophy, Memory Decline
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-exposure-pm-pollution-linked-brain.html

... Previous research has suggested that fine particle pollution exposure increases the risk for Alzheimer's disease and related dementias. What scientists haven't known is whether PM2.5 alters brain structure and accelerates memory decline.

For this study, researchers used data from 998 women, aged 73 to 87, who had up to two brain scans five years apart as part of the landmark Women's Health Initiative. The Women's Health Initiative was launched in 1993 by the National Institutes of Health and enrolled more than 160,000 women to address questions about heart disease, cancer and osteoporosis.

Those brain scans were scored on the basis of their similarity to Alzheimer's disease patterns by a machine learning tool that had been "trained" via brain scans of people with Alzheimer's disease. The researchers also gathered information about where the 998 women lived, as well as environmental data from those locations to estimate their exposure to fine particle pollution.

When all that information was combined, researchers could see the association between higher pollution exposure, brain changes and memory problems—even after adjusting to take into account differences in income, education, race, geographic region, cigarette smoking and other factors.

Diana Younan et al. Particulate matter and episodic memory decline mediated by early neuroanatomic biomarkers of Alzheimer's disease, Brain (2019)
https://academic.oup.com/brain/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/brain/awz348/5628036?redirectedFrom=fulltext
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« Reply #185 on: November 22, 2019, 08:13:42 AM »
"It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell
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« Reply #186 on: November 29, 2019, 06:26:34 PM »
The Climate Change Health Risks Facing a Child Born Today: A Tale of Two Futures
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A child born today faces two possible futures. In one, the world continues to burn fossil fuels, making the child more likely to develop asthma from air pollution, at greater risk of vector-borne diseases, and more vulnerable to anxiety as extreme weather events threaten his community.

In the other, those risks are diminished because the world has responded quickly and adequately to climate change, with a large-scale shift away from fossil fuels.

These two, starkly different paths are the focus of a report published Wednesday by the medical journal The Lancet that shows how the future health of a child born today will be intrinsically linked to climate change, from the womb to adulthood. ...
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/13112019/health-children-infants-climate-change-impact-pollution-heat-lancet-countdown-study
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« Reply #187 on: November 29, 2019, 11:09:56 PM »
^^
A link to a good Climate Insider News article with an embedded link to the Lancet Report. There is also a  link to a related article exploring Vermont's increasing reliance on burning wood (pelletized & cord wood) for heating, and the effect this could have on health & on atmospheric levels of GHG.


I don't hold out much hope of the world swerving rapidly away from fossil fuels, but avoiding the pitfalls of reliance on wood burning for heat will have a positive effect not only on health, but on the accumulation of GHG in the atmosphere.


I'll post a link to that article in the proper thread.
Meanwhile a direct link to the Lancet Report can be found at
http://www.lancetcountdown.org/2019-report/


Lancet believes that it's still possible to hold global temperature increase to "well below 2C", and that doing so will have a positive effect on the health of a child born today. I've no doubt that their prognosis is correct, but I don't see the path to achieving that very ambitious goal.


Thanks sig, I haven't checked in at Climate Insider News for some time.
Terry