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Coastal ice separation and thickness
« on: August 26, 2015, 09:38:43 PM »
Hello all:)

I responded to a post on reddit here (https://www.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/3iguao/um_has_anyone_ever_seen_this_much_red_between/)

ViperOrel23 posted that the ice looked like it was almost completely separating from the northern coast of greenland and the islands to the west.  I responded that I had also noticed the thickness levels for that area go down tremendously.

Comparison of this year and last year August 25th and 26th respectively:
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn/nowcast/ictn2015082518_2015082300_041_arcticictn.001.gif
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn/nowcast/ictn2014082618_2014082400_039_arcticictn.001.gif
Also 2012:
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn/nowcast/ictn2012082618_2012082400_035_arcticictn.001.gif

I have only been reading along with the blogs and looking at the images for a few years now so I was wondering if that was something completely new or I hadn't noticed it before.  What could the cause be (intense melt, change in arctic ocean currents or wind currents, both/other)?  Also, what kind of impacts might this have?

It seems like it might let the ice cap be 'unanchored' from the coast of greenland and islands to the west during next year's melt (or maybe later).  Would that make the ice cap much more susceptible to break up from weather and waves on all sides as well as more affected by currents.

I'm guessing this occurrence is inevitable at this point but how much will the accelerate/impact/influence future melt seasons?
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Re: Coastal ice seperation and thickness
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 10:09:52 PM »
Hi, Burnrate, and welcome to the ASIF.

First of all, those ACNFS sea ice thickness images you link to aren't entirely reliable because the model has been experiencing problems this melting season.

Nevertheless, what has been happening to the ice north of the western part of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (no detachment of the ice pack off Greenland, I'd say) is interesting, but not unprecedented. It's comparable to 2008 and 2011 (see this comparison of sea ice concentration maps). Still, the ice is very, very dispersed just east of M'Clure Strait (the western entrance/exit of the Northwest Passage), although it's hard to tell because of all the clouds:



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What could the cause be (intense melt, change in arctic ocean currents or wind currents, both/other)?  Also, what kind of impacts might this have?
The causes in my opinion are heavy melting because of persistent high temperatures in this region, but also a lack of compaction because winds have hardly been blowing towards the coast
for weeks on end now. And there are now even heavy winds blowing the ice further away from the coast. We'll have to wait and see how things are going to end up.

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It seems like it might let the ice cap be 'unanchored' from the coast of greenland and islands to the west during next year's melt (or maybe later).  Would that make the ice cap much more susceptible to break up from weather and waves on all sides as well as more affected by currents.
I don't think the entire ice pack will be 'unanchored' (something I also speculated about frequently when first starting to watch the ice). And even if it is, it will be pushed back again during winter, crushing the thin ice that will form over the open waters.

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I'm guessing this occurrence is inevitable at this point but how much will the accelerate/impact/influence future melt seasons?
Good question. The multi-year ice that is in this 'safe heaven' or 'oldest ice region' could be heavily damaged. If it is then transported into the Beaufort Sea over winter, it will easily melt out next melting season, even under average weather conditions. On the other hand a lot of heat in the water might be released, making the water colder, and as said the ice that forms will be crushed by the ice pack getting pushed back again, causing ridging, etc.

It's difficult to tell what the effect will be.
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Re: Coastal ice separation and thickness
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 10:48:03 PM »
Thank you for the great answer and all the detailed links!

It's good to know about the ACNFS images and I the information about the winds which affect the compaction filled in the blanks I had in my head (as well as where the multi-year ice will be transported to).

Another interesting interesting piece of the puzzle to watch :) and :(

(I feel like this when I see new things happen in the arctic ice melt: http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/snu_snu.gif)

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Re: Coastal ice separation and thickness
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 09:34:34 AM »
Thanks for the image, I'll be using it at some point as I struggle with the same mix of emotions.  :)
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