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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #700 on: September 11, 2019, 09:30:24 PM »
As important as improving AGW acceptance & action is reducing the power of the denial machine.

A significant cog in that machine has resigned from the White House - one William Happer. I, for one, will not mourn his absence.

He was the only scientist with the ear of the President in the White House.
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1061113085
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William Happer will leave his post as a senior director on the National Security Council on Friday. Happer's departure comes a day after National Security Adviser John Bolton abruptly resigned amid a dispute with President Trump over holding negotiations with the Taliban. Bolton supported Happer's effort to try to weaken the science backing the National Climate Assessment.

Happer, who is not formally trained in climate science but is an accomplished physicist at Princeton University, was one of the strongest voices against climate science within the administration. He is perhaps the only scientist to brief Trump on climate change research.

Happer has a long history of rejecting established climate science in favor of fringe research. He has claimed that the world is in a carbon dioxide "drought" and that burning more fossil fuels will help humanity by making the planet more habitable, a claim not supported by science. Happer founded the CO2 Coalition, which has sought to expand its influence on Capitol Hill by briefing members of Congress on the benefits of CO2 emissions.


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« Reply #701 on: September 13, 2019, 09:52:52 PM »
5 Things You Can Do During September's Climate Strike if You Can’t Leave Work
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/kz4z9m/5-things-you-can-do-during-septembers-climate-strike-if-you-cant-leave-work
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Ask your boss to shut everything down
Get creative with how you interpret workplace rules
Take a selfie
Go silent at work—like, literally stop speaking to people
Figure out what you’ll do after the climate strikes are over

Climate activists on trial in Paris for stealing Macron portraits
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/11/climate-change-activists-trial-paris-stealing-macron-portraits
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Eight protesters are to go on trial in Paris on Wednesday for stealing official portraits of the French president, Emmanuel Macron, from public buildings as part of a protest over climate change.

The activists, aged 23 to 36, have been charged with theft after taking down the pictures from local government offices around the capital in February.

The acts of civil disobedience were part of a movement called Take Down Macron, which was intended to highlight alleged inaction by the French government over the global crisis.

Inside Gucci’s ambitious plan to go completely carbon neutral
https://www.fastcompany.com/90402532/inside-guccis-ambitious-plan-to-go-completely-carbon-neutral
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The fashion industry has a significant role to play in accelerating or decelerating climate change. It currently makes up more than 8% of global carbon emissions, which is more than all international flights and maritime shipping combined. And yet, the industry is only just beginning to reckon with how much carbon it is spewing into the atmosphere. Only a smattering of brands have plans to tackle the problem, and even fewer are carbon neutral.

From Fires to Floods, Extreme Weather May Be Shaping Canadians’ Views on Climate Crisis
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/09/12/Fires-Floods-Canadian-Climate-Crisis/
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Our surveys show that Canadian public opinion is on the move. From 2011 to 2018, the percentage of Canadians who believe there is solid evidence of climate change rose from 80 to 90 per cent, and the belief that human activity causes climate change rose from 40 to 65 per cent. Scholars consider the latter a “gateway” belief, because those who hold it tend to support actions and policies to reduce carbon pollution.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #702 on: September 14, 2019, 01:48:09 PM »
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.@NYCSchools will excuse absences of students participating in the #ClimateStrike on Friday 9/20. Students will need parental consent. Younger students can only leave school with a parent.
https://twitter.com/nycschools/status/1172191885928095744

Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) 9/12/19, 12:35 PM
.@NYCSchools will be sharing guidance with parents, educators and students on how students will be able to participate in next Friday’s events in the next few days. #ClimateStrike

NYC Public Schools (@NYCSchools) 9/12/19, 1:51 PM
We applaud our students when they raise their voices in a safe and respectful manner on issues that matter to them. Young people around the world are joining the #ClimateStrike this week—showing that student action will lead us forward.

NYC Public Schools (@NYCSchools) 9/12/19, 1:54 PM
We will share guidance with schools, and encourage class discussions about the impact of climate change, and the importance of civic engagement. #ClimateStrike
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #703 on: September 14, 2019, 07:50:19 PM »
First report:  Greenland.  Al Roker has been covering weather since the 1970’s.

NBC launches its new Climate Unit to report on climate change
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This is the kind of research NBC’s new Climate Unit will continue to focus on. The unit will debut its work on Sunday, September 15 with an on-the-ground reporting series titled “Climate in Crisis” that will run through Friday, September 20 across NBC News, MSNBC, Telemundo, and NBC News Digital Sunday. While Roker’s trip to Greenland will highlight the many consequences of the country’s glacier melt, Lester Holt’s will travel to Alaska, his home as a child, to showcase what happens what a permafrost thaws does to cities.

Though NBC’s Climate Unit launched this week, Roker has been advocating for its development for a while. About a month ago, the president of NBC News, Noah Oppenheim, agreed to get it up and running. “We think it’s the most important issue affecting not just the country but the planet,” he’d told Roker, who’s now heading up the unit. With NBC’s Weather Unit already in place, creating the Climate Unit was a matter of adding more resources, producers, and correspondents. The size of the unit will continue to increase, Roker says.
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NBC’s Climate Unit will let Roker expand his climate change coverage from simply reporting on these weather events to explaining how they’re affecting everything from economics to health. The rest of this coming “Climate in Crisis” week will feature “Climate Forum 2020,” in which presidential candidates will discuss climate issues for two days in a row with moderators Chris Hayes and Ali Velshi (live-streamed on NBC News Now and Telemundo on September 19 and 20), an “All in with Chris Hayes” MSNBC hour dedicated to climate change, and Telemundo’s Vanessa Hauc leading segments on investigative environmental reporting. A number of additional NBC reporters will contribute “Climate in Crisis” segments throughout the week from all over the world, including Richard Engel from Iceland, Jacob Soboroff from Guatemala, and Anne Thompson from New Jersey.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90403895/al-roker-just-got-back-from-greenland-and-hes-horrified-by-what-he-saw-there
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #704 on: September 16, 2019, 02:27:06 PM »
TIME has devoted this week’s issue to climate change.

How to Save the Earth: Biggest Solutions for Climate Change
https://time.com/climate-change-solutions/
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« Reply #705 on: September 16, 2019, 05:24:21 PM »
Thousands of climate protesters target Frankfurt auto show
https://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-climate-protesters-target-frankfurt-auto-show/a-50435008
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Tens of thousands of climate demonstrators turned up to protest at Germany's biggest car show in Frankfurt on Saturday, using the event as a platform to demand the car industry address its role in damaging the environment.

How do Kiwis really feel about climate change?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267160
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More Kiwis are worried about climate change. What's been driving that concern? And why do some of us still refuse to accept the scientific consensus? Science reporter Jamie Morton talks to Victoria University's Associate Professor Taciano Milfont, who has been tracking attitudes over time.

Pittsburgh’s city government says it’s on track to meet climate goals in public operations. But what about the rest of the city?
https://www.publicsource.org/pittsburghs-city-government-says-its-on-track-to-meet-climate-goals-in-public-operations-but-what-about-the-rest-of-the-city/
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The next steps to meeting the emissions reduction goal is targeting the biggest buildings and energy used by people at home.

'Americans are waking up': two thirds say climate crisis must be addressed
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/sep/15/americans-climate-change-crisis-cbs-poll
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Two-thirds of Americans believe climate change is either a crisis or a serious problem, with a majority wanting immediate action to address global heating and its damaging consequences, major new polling has found.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #706 on: September 16, 2019, 06:26:23 PM »
Much 'cleaner' url's Tom, thank you! :)
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #707 on: September 16, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
I just copy and paste 'em.

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #708 on: September 17, 2019, 07:24:32 AM »
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2019/38/personenauto-s-rijden-recordaantal-kilometers-in-2018
(in Dutch)

With total disregard for the increasingly alarming warnings and advise from science.
This is an EU country that's for the most part below sealevel already.

 Part translation:

Together, cars in the Netherlands have in 2018 travelled a record total distance of 121.4 billion kilometers. Equal to travelling more than 3 million times around the Earth.

This is a country with a population of 17 million where the number of cars on the roads is still increasing (+2.2%).

This is with a government that signed up to the 2015 Paris accord, BUT, it fights all possible change to business-as-usual and lie about their intentions. Wanting to expand airports. Not helping organic farmers. Increasing foodbank use. Military active in the middle-east. Absolutely no long-term strategy. Same old same old.

I think the Dutch people are much less informed about climate change, SLR and AGW than e.g. people in the U.K. It is a far away subject.

Hey KNMI, where the hell have you been these years? Why have you not informed and warned the public via diverse media channels (e.g. car magazine ads?).
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #709 on: September 18, 2019, 04:36:49 PM »
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Bill Weld will join Democratic candidates in this forum:

MSNBC climate change forum: Ali Velshi on talking policy with 2020 candidates
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I think it’s got to do with what I often say are the two basic callings of journalism: Bearing witness and holding power to account. Putting ratings aside, we are journalists. And if we don’t do the basic things that journalism is meant to do, then we’re not taking our responsibility seriously.

So bearing witness, which is what we do when we report on the facts of climate change, but also fires and droughts and flooding and hurricanes, and embedding climate discussions into those pieces of coverage. And then holding power to account: How’d we get to where we are now and who is responsible for leading the charge to fixing it? That’s just journalistic work at this point.
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/18/20868891/msnbc-climate-town-hall-2020-president
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« Reply #710 on: September 18, 2019, 07:18:39 PM »
German bus operator offers free trips to climate protests
https://www.dw.com/en/german-bus-operator-offers-free-trips-to-climate-protests/a-50447239
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For those planning to attend climate change demonstrations this September, a German bus company is offering free travel.

Flixbus is Germany's biggest intercity bus company and on Monday they unveiled the plan as part of its goal to become carbon-neutral by 2030.

Most American teens are frightened by climate change, poll finds, and about 1 in 4 are taking action
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/most-american-teens-are-frightened-by-climate-change-poll-finds-and-about-1-in-4-are-taking-action/2019/09/15/1936da1c-d639-11e9-9610-fb56c5522e1c_story.html
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In a coastal town in Washington state, climate change has a high school junior worried about the floods that keep deluging his school. A 17-year-old from Texas says global warming scares him so much he can’t even think about it.
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« Reply #711 on: September 21, 2019, 01:06:05 AM »
If it seems I am posting more links lately, here is why:
Covering Climate Now
is a global journalism initiative committed to bringing more and better coverage to the defining story of our time.
https://www.coveringclimatenow.org/
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Our initiative includes more than 300 outlets worldwide, and dozens of institutional and independent partners, with a combined audience of more than 1 billion people.
From September 15-23, our partners have committed to emphasizing climate stories. The goal is to maximize coverage of the climate crisis and its impacts in the lead up to the United Nations Climate Summit on September 23. Follow the coverage on social media, with the hashtag #coveringclimatenow.

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« Reply #712 on: September 21, 2019, 01:42:33 AM »
Rather impressive international climate protests today.

Preliminary numbers give at least 3 million protesters on all continents excluding the Americas, with 1.4 million in Germany alone.

New York City is reporting at least 250,000.

London, Berlin, and Melbourne all cracked 100,000, and likely several other German cities.

I saw footage from India, the Philippines, Pakistan, Australia, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Ireland, Scotland, England, Mexico, Uganda, Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Peru, Antigua and Barbuda, and the U.S.

Freiberg, Germany had some very impressive footage:

https://twitter.com/F4F_Freiburg/status/1174966189555998720

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« Reply #713 on: September 21, 2019, 01:53:06 AM »
+++ Fridays for Future global climate strike — live updates +++
https://www.dw.com/en/fridays-for-future-global-climate-strike-live-updates/a-50505537
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Millions of people have participated in some 5,000 events in 156 countries throughout the day Friday
The rallies are timed to come ahead of a UN climate summit and inspired by the 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg
The marches culminated in New York, where Thunberg is leading a march to the UN headquarters

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« Reply #714 on: September 21, 2019, 03:21:30 AM »
Does anyone have news about climate actions today in The Netherlands?
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« Reply #715 on: September 21, 2019, 02:25:04 PM »
I only know there were 2500 people in Maastricht and there was also an event in Amsterdam but i don´t know the numbers for that.
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« Reply #716 on: September 24, 2019, 07:49:15 PM »
Duke Energy Makes Big Pledge to Cut Carbon Pollution by 2050
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-17/duke-energy-makes-biggest-pledge-to-cut-carbon-pollution-by-2050
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Duke Energy Corp. agreed to eliminate carbon emissions from its power plants and offset those that it can’t by 2050, joining a slew of power producers taking steps to limit the effects of global warming.

Duke, one of the largest U.S. emitters of greenhouse gases, plans to shift away from burning coal and invest in solar, nuclear and other carbon-free technologies, as well as natural gas, during the transition, according to a statement Tuesday.


Isra Hirsi Is 16, Unbothered, and Saving the Planet
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a357wp/isra-hirsi-ilhan-omar-daughter-climate-strike-profile
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As the co-founder of the U.S. Youth Climate Strike and the daughter of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, Isra Hirsi is grappling with harassment, safety threats, tokenization, and privilege on a national scale years before she's even allowed to vote.

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« Reply #717 on: September 27, 2019, 04:17:49 PM »
New U.N. climate report: Monumental change already here for world’s oceans and frozen regions
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Climate change is already having staggering effects on oceans and ice-filled regions that encompass 80 percent of the Earth, and future damage from rising seas and melting glaciers is now all but certain, according to a sobering new report from the United Nations.

The warming climate is killing coral reefs, supercharging monster storms, and fueling deadly marine heat waves and record losses of sea ice. And Wednesday’s report on the world’s oceans, glaciers, polar regions and ice sheets finds that such effects foreshadow a more catastrophic future as long as greenhouse gas emissions remain unchecked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/09/25/new-un-climate-report-massive-change-already-here-worlds-oceans-frozen-regions/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1

Download IPCC report:
https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/download-report/
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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #718 on: September 27, 2019, 04:19:28 PM »
Does anyone have news about climate actions today in The Netherlands?

Maybe you were a week early. Today is the big one and it is glorious.

People would gather in ´de koekamp´ in The Hague.
Much more people turned up then expected.

The rally started at 13.00 and the field was full at 13.10! Then they headed to the malieveld which is the terrain for the really big protests.

Early reports were 25000 people but now they report 30k.

I talked to some people going there (and spied some signs, at least one person had a sign ´Wij eisen IJS´ ).

 https://www.nu.nl/binnenland/5999392/malieveld-nieuwe-bestemming-van-klimaatmars-vanwege-onverwachte-drukte.html

The pressure is on.  :)

Also because the Netherlands lost a court case about how they wanted protect nature areas from nitrogen pollution (by bookkeeping without doing anything).

At the time some already mentioned this was not in agreement with the actual EU law but now the court confirmed that and the next thing that happened is that most building and infrastructure projects had to stop. This is very very inconvenient and it probably costs lots of money so now our government is already on the move.

The whole PAS story probably needs a longish post which i will do later.
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« Reply #719 on: September 27, 2019, 04:45:19 PM »
Thanks for that update kassy :)
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« Reply #720 on: September 27, 2019, 04:51:29 PM »
Some more information on the world-wide protests today:

  Hundreds of thousands hit streets across continents to demand action on climate
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/27/fresh-wave-of-climate-strikes-take-place-around-the-world

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Organisers said they were expecting another huge turnout on Friday, with demonstrations planned from Canada to the Netherlands, Sweden to Morocco, Italy to India.

The strikes are a sign of the growing awareness and anger of the severity and scale of the climate crisis among people around the world.

The climate activist told governments: “You are still not mature enough to tell it like it is. You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal.”
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« Reply #721 on: September 27, 2019, 09:38:32 PM »
Yes, thanks kas, and nan, too! I just found out that my daughter is going with friends.
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« Reply #722 on: October 01, 2019, 09:46:06 PM »
May not seem like much now, but bringing a consumer’s environmental concerns top-of-mind, even if in a small way, is a good place to start.  Enough people choosing better alternatives makes it easier for companies to follow suit.

Shoppers will opt for slower shipping or in-store pickup during the holiday season to fight climate change
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Many consumers will take climate change into account when making their holiday purchases this year, opting for slower shipping options or in-store pickup, which have less environmental impact than expedited shipping, according to data from Accenture’s annual holiday shopping survey.

Accenture ACN, -1.14%   and Coleman Parkes Research surveyed 1,500 U.S. consumers online, finding that half of shoppers will choose slower ground transportation and have items shipped all at once rather than in separate packages for a lighter carbon footprint.

Shoppers are also taking a retailer’s stance on social issues into account when choosing where to make their purchases. ...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/shoppers-will-opt-for-slower-shipping-or-in-store-pickup-during-the-holiday-season-to-fight-climate-change-2019-10-01
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« Reply #723 on: October 03, 2019, 10:05:34 PM »
Pennsylvania will join a coalition of nine other Northeast U.S. states that cap the amount of pollution power plants can emit.
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Gov. Tom Wolf (D) signed an executive order Thursday that commits the state to the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), which requires power plants to buy credits for the carbon pollution they emit.

"Climate change is the most critical environmental threat confronting the world, and power generation is one of the biggest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions," Wolf said in a release. "Given the urgency of the climate crisis facing Pennsylvania and the entire planet, the commonwealth must continue to take concrete, economically sound and immediate steps to reduce emissions."

Utilities are the second-largest source of carbon pollution in the country. The funds raised through the cap and trade program are then invested in efforts to reduce energy consumption, like energy efficiency programs, or efforts to boost clean electricity.

Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont are the other members of RGGI.

RGGI's goals, primarily to reduce carbon pollution, could be a big undertaking for a state that is still reliant on fossil fuels.  Pennsylvania gets more than half of its electricity from natural gas and coal, both of which emit carbon when burned.

The state's economy also remains reliant on the fossil fuel sector. Pennsylvania is one of the biggest producers and consumers of natural gas and is also the nation's fourth largest producer of coal.


Growth in RGGI comes as many of the same states are considering a similar program to limit carbon pollution from transportation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-joins-coalition-requiring-utilities-to-curb-carbon-emissions/ar-AAIeReB
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« Reply #724 on: October 05, 2019, 09:05:04 AM »
^^
Too little, too late, but still an attempt that other states would do well to follow.
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« Reply #725 on: October 13, 2019, 02:47:35 PM »
Farmers in the U.S. midwest were one of the last great bastions of climate change denial.  Not anymore.

How Iowa Farmers Are Influencing Climate Policy in 2020 Presidential Race
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Voters across Iowa say the real-life effects of climate change have sparked a political awakening of sorts. Hogg, the state senator from Cedar Rapids, says record flooding in 2008 all but eliminated climate-change skepticism in the city. Recurring flooding contributed to the Iowa City council’s recent decision to declare a climate crisis. The council made a commitment in August to reduce the city’s greenhouse-gas emissions 45% by 2030. “It’s not just about climate strikers,” says Iowa City Mayor Jim Throgmorton, referring to the global movement of schoolchildren striking to call for action on climate change, and “not just about the IPCC report, but also about our own experience and own observation.”

Flooding, and the extreme precipitation that caused it, has had a range of effects across Iowa, disrupting the cycles that farmers rely on to plant, grow and harvest their crops. This spring alone, extreme rain put 100,000 acres of farmland underwater in the state, resulting in tens of millions of dollars in damage to farmers. To top it off, July was exceptionally dry, throwing another wrinkle at farmers. By 2050, climate change threatens to erase all the gains made in agricultural productivity since the 1980s in the Midwest, meaning farmers will need to spend heavily or cut production, according to the National Climate Assessment, a report from more than a dozen U.S. federal agencies on the impacts of climate change.

Surveys have historically identified farmers as skeptical of climate science, but in Iowa there are hints that this may be changing. Aaron Heley Lehman, president of the Iowa Farmers Union, says climate has become a regular topic of conversation among farmers. Greg Franck, a self-described “farm boy” who lives in the Des Moines area but has worked in agriculture, described a recent meeting he attended in southwest Iowa, where farmers gathered to hear advice from federal government scientists on how to adapt to the effects of climate change. “There’s hope there,” he says.
https://time.com/5669023/iowa-farmers-climate-policy/
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« Reply #726 on: October 29, 2019, 06:24:30 PM »
"Big Food" is training farmers to use regenerative agriculture methods.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/can-regenerative-agriculture-reverse-climate-change-big-food-banking-it-n1072941

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General Mills, the packaged food giant, is one of several Big Food corporations jumping on the regenerative agriculture bandwagon, escalating the buzz around the idea that capturing carbon in the soil could reverse climate change. The company took the lead when it announced this spring that it would apply regenerative agriculture to 1 million acres by 2030 — about a quarter of the land from which it sources ingredients in North America.

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General Mills has since rolled out a pilot project for oat farmers, as well an open-source self-assessment app available to anyone interested in implementing regenerative practices. Soil health academies and individualized coaching for farmers are in the works, as is the conversion of thousands of conventional acres into organic production.

"We've been looking at these farmers as the examples of what is possible in terms of soil health, diversity and farmer resilience," Mary Jane Melendez, General Mills' chief sustainability and social impact officer, said. "Imagine what you could get if ... more farmers were implementing these practices. It could be revolutionary."

Danone, Kellogg, Nestlé, and a dozen other companies are not far behind. At the recent United Nations Climate Action Summit in New York City, they announced the One Planet Business for Biodiversity (OP2B) coalition to advance regenerative agriculture, rebuild biodiversity and eliminate deforestation. And Land O'Lakes, the dairy and animal feed behemoth, is also touting its soil conservation efforts, including a new initiative to help bolster sustainability on 1.5 million acres of U.S.-grown corn.

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David Montgomery, a geologist at the University of Washington and author of “Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations” and “Growing a Revolution: Bringing Our Soil Back to Life,” said there’s no question that regenerative agriculture can sequester carbon, but the amount of carbon that can be added to the soil is finite. Therefore, it’s not a panacea.

One much-cited estimate of potential soil sequestration published to date suggests that if regenerative practices were used on all of the world’s croplands and pastures forever — a huge assumption — the soil may be able to sequester up to 322 billion tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. That’s a far cry from the 1 trillion ton sequestration some claim possible.

“The claims that you can reverse climate change with regenerative agriculture, that’s a real stretch. The more credible estimates are a good down payment on reducing atmospheric carbon dioxide,” Montgomery said. But he also stresses that the effort can easily be undone.

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« Reply #728 on: November 03, 2019, 06:13:16 PM »
^^
It says that it is a "vpro" documentary. In the styie of our Dutch channel of the same name.
So it is very likely a Dutch documentary, from a public broadcaster.

I live in the Netherlands and I get a "The uploader has not made this video available in your country".
It is what it is.
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« Reply #729 on: November 05, 2019, 07:48:29 PM »
  Climate crisis: 11,000 scientists warn of ‘untold suffering’

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/05/climate-crisis-11000-scientists-warn-of-untold-suffering
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The world’s people face “untold suffering due to the climate crisis” unless there are major transformations to global society, according to a stark warning from more than 11,000 scientists.

“We declare clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency,” it states. “To secure a sustainable future, we must change how we live. [This] entails major transformations in the ways our global society functions and interacts with natural ecosystems.”

There is no time to lose, the scientists say: “The climate crisis has arrived and is accelerating faster than most scientists expected. It is more severe than anticipated, threatening natural ecosystems and the fate of humanity.”


The statement is published in the journal BioScience on the 40th anniversary of the first world climate conference, which was held in Geneva in 1979. The statement was a collaboration of dozens of scientists and endorsed by further 11,000 from 153 nations.

Other “profoundly troubling signs from human activities” selected by the scientists include booming air passenger numbers and world GDP growth. “The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle,” they said.

“Despite 40 years of global climate negotiations, with few exceptions, we have have largely failed to address this predicament. Especially worrisome are potential irreversible climate tipping points. These climate chain reactions could cause significant disruptions to ecosystems, society, and economies, potentially making large areas of Earth uninhabitable.”

Ripple said scientists have a moral obligation to issue warnings of catastrophic threats: “It is more important than ever that we speak out, based on evidence. It is time to go beyond just research and publishing, and to go directly to the citizens and policymakers.”
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« Reply #730 on: November 06, 2019, 01:09:41 AM »
Great choice!  Look out, cah-bon emitters!  ;)  8)
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Big news! Excited to announce @NRDC’s new president: Gina McCarthy!
https://twitter.com/nrdc/status/1191770120407986178
Brief video statement from McCarthy at the link.

In her role as U.S. EPA Administrator, McCarthy oversaw some of the most consequential work in the agency’s history, including strengthening safeguards for clean water and air, setting the first-ever limits on carbon pollution from power plants and advancing the U.S. environmental diplomacy that helped produce the landmark 2015 Paris climate agreement.
NRDC Announces Gina McCarthy as President & CEO
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« Reply #731 on: November 09, 2019, 09:55:05 PM »
Michael E Mann warning of new strategy from climate denialists, eg fossil fuel lobby


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/nov/09/doomism-new-tactic-fossil-fuel-lobby


"The battle between climate change deniers and the environment movement has entered a new, pernicious phase. That is the stark warning of one of the world’s leading climate experts, Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University.
Mann told the Observer that although flat rejection of global warming was becoming increasingly hard to maintain in the face of mounting evidence, this did not mean climate change deniers were giving up the fight.
“First of all, there is an attempt being made by them to deflect attention away from finding policy solutions to global warming towards promoting individual behaviour changes that affect people’s diets, travel choices and other personal behaviour,” said Mann. “This is a deflection campaign and a lot of well-meaning people have been taken in by it.”


Mann stressed that individual actions – eating less meat or avoiding air travel – were important in the battle against global warming. However, they should be seen as additional ways to combat global warming rather than as a substitute for policy reform.

 
 


 Climate scientist Michael Mann has warned of ‘dangerous’ deflection campaign.
“We should also be aware how the forces of denial are exploiting the lifestyle change movement to get their supporters to argue with each other. It takes pressure off attempts to regulate the fossil fuel industry. This approach is a softer form of denial and in many ways it is more pernicious.”
Over the past 25 years Mann has played a key role in establishing that rising fossil fuel emissions and increasing levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide are heating the planet at a worrying rate. He was also involved in the 2009 Climategate affair in which thousands of emails – many to and from Mann – were hacked from the University of East Anglia’s [UEA] Climate Research Unit. Climategate marks its 10th anniversary this month. At the time, deniers on both sides of the Atlantic claimed the emails from UEA showed climate scientists had been fiddling their data, claims that may have contributed towards delay in the implementation of measures to tackle climate change over the next decade, say observers.
Subsequent inquiries found no evidence of any misbehaviour by researchers, however. The denial machine lost a lot of its credibility as a result, added Mann, and there has been a gradual rise in public acceptance of the idea of global warming.


However, deniers have not given up their opposition to plans to curtail fossil fuel use and among their new tactics they have also tried to encourage “doomism”, as Mann put it. “This is the idea that we are now so late in the game [in tackling global warming] that there is nothing that we can do about the problem,” he added. “By promoting this doom and gloom attitude this leads people down a path of despair and hopelessness and finally inaction, which actually leads us to the same place as outright climate-change denialism.”
This is the new climate war, said Mann, and it is just as dangerous as the old one which focused on outright denial of the science. This new approach has a veneer of credibility, he added. It seems reasonable to many people. And that makes it, to some extent, even more dangerous, Mann concluded.
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« Reply #732 on: November 09, 2019, 11:33:09 PM »
Stage 1: Deny the Problem Exists.

Stage 2: Deny We're the Cause.

Stage 3: Deny It's a Problem.

Stage 4: Deny We can Solve It.

Stage 5: It's too Late.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/16/climate-change-contrarians-5-stages-denial
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« Reply #733 on: November 10, 2019, 11:50:30 AM »
I believe that deniers are now on stage 3. And I feel they arw quite efficient.

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« Reply #734 on: November 10, 2019, 12:55:12 PM »
The forum I debated on was at stage 2.

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« Reply #735 on: November 16, 2019, 04:34:14 PM »
Venice council: We have already made big investments to fight flooding and climate change. 
Earth:  Pffffffft.

Veneto regional council, which is located on Venice's Grand Canal, was flooded for the first time in its history on Tuesday night -- just after it rejected measures to combat climate change.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/europe/veneto-council-climate-change-floods-trnd-intl-scli/index.html

Edit:  the second photo below appears to be the actual room in question.
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« Reply #736 on: November 16, 2019, 05:29:57 PM »
As far as I can see WUWT is still firmly pegged on 1...  I haven't been there in years, seems denial is profitable!
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« Reply #737 on: November 16, 2019, 05:54:46 PM »
Microsoft is Storing Source Code in an Arctic Cave
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a29811351/microsoft-secret-code-vault/

In case, you know, the apocalypse happens.



Microsoft, which acquired GitHub for $7.5 billion in 2018, is preparing both companies for the apocalypse. No, not by storing cases of water bottles or Kombucha taps, but by locking down copies of original source code for projects stored on the GitHub code library.

The Arctic World Archive, as it's called, is tucked inside an old coal mine in Svalbard, an archipelago between mainland Norway and the North Pole.

Data is stored on specialized ultra-durable film, which is coated in iron oxide powder to add extra durability. According to the company that makes them, Piql, the reels should last for up to 750 years in normal conditions. It's possible that they could even remain intact for 2,000 years if stored in a cold, dry and low-oxygen cave.

GitHub intends to become the largest tenant of the cave. It will leave 200 platters of data, each carrying 120 gigabytes of open source software code. The first reel, for example, holds both the Linux and Android operating systems' code, plus that of 6,000 other important open source applications.

According to Piql's website, the data is all stored offline, where hackers can't tamper with it. The vault it's all inside is "disaster-proof," and "in one of the most geopolitically secure places in the world." It shares a home with Vatican archives, Brazilian land registry records, Italian movies, and the recipe for McDonald's "Special Sauce."

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« Reply #738 on: November 16, 2019, 06:27:20 PM »
California says it won’t buy cars from GM, Toyota, others opposing tough tailpipe standards
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Starting immediately, California state agencies will no longer buy gas-powered sedans, officials said Friday. And starting in January, the state will stop purchasing vehicles from carmakers that haven’t agreed to follow California’s clean car rules.

The decision affects General Motors, Fiat Chrysler, Toyota and multiple other automakers that sided with the Trump administration in the ongoing battle over tailpipe pollution rules. The policy will hit General Motors particularly hard; California spent more than $27 million on passenger vehicles from GM-owned Chevrolet in 2018.

California’s Department of General Services, the state’s business manager that oversees vehicle purchases for California’s fleet, announced the bans on Friday afternoon. The immediate ban on state purchases of cars powered only by gas will include exceptions for public safety vehicles.

“The state is finally making the smart move away from internal combustion engine sedans,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom said in a statement emailed to CalMatters. The new policies align with Newsom’s September executive order urging the state government to reduce greenhouse gases. “Carmakers that have chosen to be on the wrong side of history will be on the losing end of California’s buying power,” Newsom said. ...
https://calmatters.org/environment/2019/11/california-says-it-wont-buy-cars-from-gm-toyota-others-opposing-tough-fuel-standards/

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« Reply #739 on: December 02, 2019, 08:54:08 AM »
(This is a month old. Has anyone watched the other episodes? Are they as confronting?)

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a29677980/david-attenborough-bbc-seven-worlds-one-planet-walrus-scene-reaction/
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David Attenborough's Seven Worlds, One Planet viewers left "traumatised" by walrus scene
"I'm never going to get that vision out of my mind."



Last week, Sir David Attenborough's new docu-series Seven Worlds, One Planet set a new record, as it left viewers in floods of tears before even hitting the 10-minute mark.

And while it may not have been as quick to kickstart the waterworks in its second episode tonight (November 3), its scenes still left viewers equally devastated.

This time, it was thanks to some rather distressing footage of walruses trampling on top of each other, being attacked by polar bears, and falling to their deaths from the top of a cliff.

And as the extent of their struggle, and the damning impact climate change has had on their natural habitat, became increasingly apparent, viewers took to Twitter to reveal their distress.

Once again, Attenborough's latest series is not for the faint-hearted.
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« Reply #740 on: December 03, 2019, 12:48:03 PM »
Choose Your Own Climate and Energy Policies
https://www.axios.com/choose-your-own-climate-and-energy-adventure-9020127b-727c-451d-bbc9-f340655f599f.html

A new simulator out today empowers readers to choose their own path when it comes to tackling climate change.

https://www.climateinteractive.org/tools/en-roads/

Why it matters: The tool, created by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and think tank Climate Interactive, underscores the grand challenge of employing technologies and policies to tackle climate change.

What’s new: This simulator is the first of its kind designed for politicians and others who care about climate change and energy, but aren’t researchers accustomed to arcane models.

  • From this simulator, which is still quite detailed, we curated an even more simplified interactive (see below) presenting nine questions on everything from carbon dioxide prices to land management.
  • At the end, it shows how your choices affect annual greenhouse gas emissions, global temperature rise and energy costs over the next 80 years.

... The bottom line: The biggest upshot of the simulator shows that cutting emissions needs to be first about reducing the world’s use of fossil fuels, instead of merely ramping up cleaner forms of energy. Global energy demand keeps increasing, so wind and solar are being added on top of fossil fuels in most places around the world.
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... “It takes a long time for clean energy to displace the coal, oil and gas that is being planned. We need policies that more directly keep those fuels in the ground."

— Andrew Jones, co-founder, Climate Interactive
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« Reply #741 on: December 11, 2019, 06:10:20 PM »
Nearly every major aspect of the European economy is to be re-evaluated in light of the imperatives of the climate and ecological emergency, according to sweeping new plans set out by the European Commission on Wednesday.

"As well as bidding to lead the world on climate action, with a proposed target of net-zero carbon by 2050 and halving emissions by 2030, the EU will delve far more deeply into the root problems that contribute to carbon emissions and pollution. For instance, in manufacturing: in previous decades, the EU was content to set targets for recycling rates; under the European Green Deal, regulators would set specific standards on the manufacturing of goods to create a circular economy and phase out unnecessary plastic and other waste before it is created."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/11/european-green-deal-will-change-economy-to-solve-climate-crisis-says-eu

Ursula van der Leyen:
"Our goal is to become the first climate-neutral continent by 2050, slowing down global heating and mitigating its effects. This is a task for our generation and the next, but change must begin right now – and we know we can do it."

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« Reply #742 on: December 15, 2019, 05:18:46 PM »
Climate change: Longest talks end with compromise deal
By Matt McGrath

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What was agreed?
After two extra days and nights of negotiations, delegates finally agreed a deal that will see new, improved carbon cutting plans on the table by the time of the Glasgow conference next year.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50799905

Lots of blah blah and of course they kick the can down the road once more.

Lets see what the EU comes up with in the meantime.
And who gets elected in the US. The worlds number 1 historical polluter not doing anything is a rather big problem.
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« Reply #743 on: December 17, 2019, 02:25:45 PM »
Goldman Sachs is first big US bank to rule out loans for Arctic drilling
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London(CNN Business) Goldman Sachs (GS) is the first big US bank to say it won't finance new oil projects in the Arctic.

On Sunday, the bank announced a raft of changes to its environmental policies, including a pledge not to finance drilling in the Arctic. The restrictions also rule out projects in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which President Donald Trump has sought to open to development.

The funding freeze extends to new thermal coal mine and power plant development around the world, as well as projects that "significantly convert or degrade a natural habitat," Goldman Sachs said on its website.

The bank also announced a commitment to invest $750 billion over the next 10 years into areas that focus on climate transition and inclusive growth.

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The company said it will "phase out" financing of thermal coal mining companies that do not have plans to diversify away from coal. ...
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/16/business/goldman-sachs-arctic/index.html
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Study Shows What Factors Lead to 'Resilient Collaboration' in Community Improvement Efforts
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-factors-resilient-collaboration-efforts.html

A University of Kansas researcher has published a new study that details what keeps community partnerships strong over time. ... She found successful efforts had a number of factors in common.

"Collaborative resilience is a product of such features as social capital, community, buy-in, leadership, structure and resource diversity," Getha-Taylor said. "Collaborative inertia, by contrast, can result from stress, internal changes, resource issues or natural decline over time.

Resilient partnerships were found to have "narrative polyphony," or agreement on the collaborative's critical moments, as expressed by multiple partners. This finding may be linked to the partners' broader agreement on mission as well as goals and values that sustain these experiences over time. That finding is especially notable, as collaboratives are frequently formed by mission, or shared goal, rather than mandate from governments or other officials. ...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/partnerships-that-last/72261A6496C5421627EAF71FBE5599D3

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How Can We Make Residential Neighborhoods More Sustainable by 2050?
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-residential-neighborhoods-sustainable.html

If the aim of a 2,000 Watt Society is to be achieved, peri-urban residential neighborhoods—where the average single-family home consumes 6.5 times more power than that target—must adapt. An EPFL thesis, which has just been awarded a scholarly distinction, explores ways of hitting the target in Vaud canton, but which could also be applied to the whole of Switzerland.

... After the initial fact-finding phase and after formulating several possible scenarios, Drouilles concluded that a wide range of solutions and awareness-raising initiatives are needed to make these neighborhoods more sustainable, for example through car-pooling and car-sharing, community gardens and shared services. If smaller homes were built for retired people, they would not have the burden of maintaining a plot of land and would be able to maintain their social contacts, while single-family houses would become more densely populated as new families move in.

... If these neighborhoods are to become more sustainable, we must therefore stop thinking about them as individual plots of land and start viewing them as interdependent systems interacting within the municipal territory. Also, attracting more people to live in these regions in the next few years is not necessarily the answer, because that would lead to an increase in individual transportation.

Drouilles found that the crux of the matter is the slow turnover of single-family houses, which is hindering progress towards a more sustainable situation. "In Switzerland, half of all single-family houses are currently occupied by retired couples, who don't have the money or inclination to refurbish their homes and install more sustainable energy systems. ...

https://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/269159?ln=en

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Mowing Urban Lawns Less Intensely Increases Biodiversity, Saves Money and Reduces Pests
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-urban-lawns-intensely-biodiversity-money.html

The researchers combined data across North America and Europe using a meta-analysis, a way of aggregating results from multiple studies to increase statistical strength. They found strong evidence that increased mowing intensity of urban lawns—which included parks, roundabouts and road verges—had negative ecological effects, particularly on invertebrate and plant diversity. Pest species, on the other hand, benefitted from intense lawn management.

"Even a modest reduction in lawn mowing frequency can bring a host of environmental benefits: increased pollinators, increased plant diversity and reduced greenhouse gas emissions. At the same time, a longer, healthier lawn makes it more resistant to pests, weeds, and drought events." said Dr. Chris Watson, lead author of the study.

https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1365-2664.13542
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« Reply #745 on: December 19, 2019, 08:17:21 PM »
^^
I would start with putting all non-farming people in apartments. That'll make an enormous difference. So much spaaace for local food production. Extremely efficient land- and energy use ;)
"It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell
"It is preoccupation with what other people from your groups think of you, that prevents you from living freely and nobly" - Nanning
Why do you keep accumulating stuff?

Tom_Mazanec

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #746 on: December 19, 2019, 08:23:44 PM »
I live in an apartment style condo and it's not so bad (better than when I lived in a ranch house with a huge lawn, both of which I had to maintain).
Might need a bigger one for couples with kids, but I'm sure it can be worked out.

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #747 on: December 20, 2019, 08:12:16 AM »
Thanks Tom. Just a disclaimer: With "I" in my previous post, I don't mean me, but a figure of speech to point out the bloody obvious :)
I would never start with forcing people out of their homes. But..  extreme global problems require extreme measures.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #748 on: December 20, 2019, 07:56:52 PM »
Landmark Dutch climate case
AP News (today)
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THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — In a ruling hailed as an “immense victory for climate justice,” the Netherlands’ top court ruled Friday in favor of activists who have for years been seeking legal orders to force the Dutch government into cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

Activists in a packed chamber of the Supreme Court in The Hague erupted into applause and cheers as Presiding Judge Kees Streefkerk rejected the government’s appeal against earlier rulings ordering the government to cut emissions by at least 25% by the end of 2020 from benchmark 1990 levels.

The Supreme Court upheld lower courts’ rulings that protection from the potentially devastating effects of climate change was a human right and that the government has a duty to protect its citizens.
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Yeah!  :-*
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #749 on: December 28, 2019, 01:59:30 PM »
TOP 10 CLIMATE DENIERS

Link >> https://www.beforetheflood.com/explore/the-deniers/top-10-climate-deniers/

Shame the fucking hell out of them!