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Re: Wildfires
« Reply #1300 on: September 03, 2020, 07:35:39 AM »
Wildfires Hasten Another Climate Crisis: Homeowners Who Can’t Get Insurance.
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Insurers, facing huge losses, have been pulling back from fire-prone areas across California. “The marketplace has largely collapsed,” an advocate for counties in the state said.
As wildfires burn homes across California, the state is also grappling with a different kind of climate predicament: How to stop insurers from abandoning fire-prone areas, leaving countless homeowners at risk.

Years of megafires have caused huge losses for insurance companies, a problem so severe that, last year, California temporarily banned insurers from canceling policies on some 800,000 homes in or near risky parts of the state. However, that ban is about expire and can’t be renewed, and a recent plan to deal with the problem fell apart in a clash between insurers and consumer advocates.

Insurers are widely expected to continue their retreat, potentially devastating the housing market if homes become essentially uninsurable.

“The marketplace has largely collapsed” in those high-risk areas, said Graham Knaus, executive director of the California State Association of Counties, which has pushed state officials to address the problem. “It’s a very large geographic area of the state that is facing this.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/climate/wildfires-insurance.html
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« Reply #1301 on: September 06, 2020, 11:18:59 AM »
California Wildfire Traps Campers in National Forest
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/california/fires/article245524785.html

More than 60 people trapped by a fast-spreading wildfire near Central California’s Mammoth Pool Reservoir in the Sierra National Forest had been rescued by the Air National Guard as of late Saturday, fire officials confirmed.

So far, 63 people rescued by military helicopters and delivered to Fresno Yosemite International Airport, 2 severely injured patients, 10 moderately injured and 51 others with minor or no injuries. Aircraft are returning to continue rescue operations. Unknown how many more.

Fresno Community Regional Medical Center admitted six burn victims initially and was preparing for the possibility of receiving more evacuees.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FresnoFire/status/1302477057176211457

In all, rescuers were planning an air-and-ground evacuation of about 150 people stuck at the reservoir's boat launch, the Madera County Sheriff’s Office said.

As roads closed and the fire spread, Tune said, more than 1,000 were trapped near Mammoth Pool Reservoir, roughly 23 miles southeast of Oakhurst.

Forest spokesman Dan Tune said those trapped were told to shelter-in-place – even if it meant jumping in the water – after the only road out of the campground was compromised, according to the Fresno Bee.

The Creek Fire had exploded to 36,000 acres with zero containment by Saturday evening as temperatures reached into the triple digits amid a weekend heatwave that affected much of the state, according to the Bee
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« Reply #1302 on: September 06, 2020, 05:45:30 PM »
California
Andrew Freedman on Twitter: "The #CreekFire developed a massive pyrocumulonimbus cloud on Saturday, sparking lightning strikes and possible fire tornadoes. More evacuations just announced for this blaze. All-time record highs in jeopardy today across Calif."
https://mobile.twitter.com/afreedma/status/1302611936601870338

Capital Weather Gang on Twitter: "California faces "kiln-like" heat that will shatter records on Sunday, fuel rapidly growing wildfires such as the #creekfire that's caused injuries.”
Details: https://t.co/ydItyDs9fP
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« Reply #1303 on: September 06, 2020, 06:10:16 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/09/06/california-wildfires-heat-wave/



Fires this weekend are what is known as plume-dominated blazes, which occur when the environment is favorable for the upward billowing of smoke and vertical transfer of heat.

Plume-dominated fires can frequently become firestorms, taking on the structure of a thunderstorm due to their incredible vertical release of heat. Extreme fire behavior, as has been seen with the Creek Fire, is often a characteristic of plume-dominated fires.

The Creek Fire appeared to produce multiple fire tornadoes based on Doppler radar data, which revealed vortices inside the fire and smoke plume that matched the size and shape of tornadoes.

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« Reply #1304 on: September 07, 2020, 07:29:59 AM »
Video: https://mobile.twitter.com/dennisreports/status/1302635611803664386

Campers surrounded by flames at Mammoth Pool Reservoir


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« Reply #1305 on: September 07, 2020, 08:28:55 PM »
CAL FIRE: "#ElDoradoFire | SAN BERNARDINO/ INYO/ MONO UNIT | El Dorado Fire Cause”
https://mobile.twitter.com/cal_fire/status/1302806883409903617
Press release at the link.

Fire was caused by a pyrotechnic device used at a gender reveal party. ::)
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« Reply #1306 on: September 08, 2020, 02:26:35 PM »
California wildfires set record as more than 2 million acres are scorched
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The Creek Fire exploded to 78,790 acres Monday  — growing by more than 33,000 acres since Sunday — and was completely uncontained, according to Cal Fire. The fire continued to threaten 5,296 structures. The cause of the fire is under investigation.
The blaze isn’t going away anytime soon. Firefighters expect to reach full containment of the Creek Fire by Oct. 15, but the fire is still burning rapidly because of “dead and downed material,” Cal Fire said. Some 80% to 90% of the trees in the area where the fire is raging have died because of the ravages of the bark beetle.

Cal Fire said 14,800 firefighters were battling 23 major fires in the state, the Associated Press reported. California has seen 900 wildfires since Aug. 15, many of them started by an intense series of thousands of lightning strikes.  There have been eight fire deaths and more than 3,300 structures destroyed.

The previous record for acres burned was set in 2018. Fires that year burned 1.98 million acres and killed more than 100, most of them in the deadly Camp Fire that burned through the Butte County town of Paradise.

Another fire in Mendocino County was reported early Monday afternoon. The Oak Fire quickly grew from 3 acres to 25 acres in the span of 10 minutes, forcing dozens of people out of their homes as mandatory evacuations were ordered for parts of the Willits and Covelo areas and closing a section of Highway 101. Cal Fire warned that the blaze has a “rapid rate of spread.” By late Monday, the uncontained blaze had grown to 1,000 acres and damaged one structure.
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A rescue attempt by military pilots using night vision Monday evening to rescue hikers and campers trapped near China Peak and Lake Edison was unsuccessful, the Fresno Fire Department said Monday. ...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-wildfires-set-record-as-more-than-2-15548079.php
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« Reply #1307 on: September 08, 2020, 04:29:21 PM »
Dana Nuccitelli: “It's the first week of September and California has already broken its record for most acreage burned by wildfires, set a mere 2 years ago, by 10%. Lots of fires are currently burning, and the state is mired in yet another record heatwave”
https://mobile.twitter.com/dana1981/status/1302749861746364416
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« Reply #1308 on: September 08, 2020, 04:50:41 PM »
Fast-Moving Wildfire Destroys 80% Of Small Town In Eastern Washington State
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/910578980/fast-moving-wildfire-destroys-80-of-small-town-in-eastern-washington-state
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/sep/07/fire-rages-through-whitman-county-town-of-malden/

Almost every structure in the small farming town of Malden in eastern Washington state was destroyed by a fast-moving fire Monday as high winds created what officials described as a firestorm.

According to the Whitman County Sheriff's Office, 80% of the town's structures were destroyed. The town of about 200 people is 35 miles south of Spokane in an agricultural region known as the Palouse.

Officials say the fire was fueled by high winds up to 45 mph, standing timber and dry fields.

“When we got information that fire started, there were 40 or 50 mph winds,” Myers said. “By the time we had law enforcement in town to evacuate, the fire was at city limits, and within 20 minutes, it was consuming homes.”

Myers said he believed all residents in the area had safely evacuated but couldn't be sure, according to The Spokesman-Review.

"The fire was too hot and too quick to even get a count," Myers said.
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Re: Wildfires
« Reply #1309 on: September 09, 2020, 03:32:43 AM »
California
KTVU: "PG&E conducted its first power shut off of 2020, leaving 172,000 customers without power. PG&E anticipates more PSPS events this year, but the company said it's been working to make them smaller in size and shorter in length *A look at current outages.*”
https://mobile.twitter.com/ktvu/status/1303489267985866752
Outage map below.
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« Reply #1310 on: September 09, 2020, 10:18:39 AM »
CAL FIRE: "#ElDoradoFire | SAN BERNARDINO/ INYO/ MONO UNIT | El Dorado Fire Cause”
https://mobile.twitter.com/cal_fire/status/1302806883409903617
Press release at the link.

Fire was caused by a pyrotechnic device used at a gender reveal party. ::)

Important detail... the fire was ignited by a pyrotechnic device used at a gender reveal party. The cause of the fire is climate change.
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« Reply #1311 on: September 09, 2020, 10:08:01 PM »
Wildfires Rip Through West Coast: 'I Heard Popping And Houses Blowing Up' :
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Intense wildfires are ravaging large swaths of the West Coast, prompting thousands of people to flee parts of Oregon and forcing power outages in California, where fires have already burned a record of more than 2.3 million acres this year. Fires are burning from Washington state to Southern California.
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The 2020 fire season is off to a staggering start, far outpacing last year. By the end of the first week of September 2019, California had seen fewer than 5,000 fires, which burned nearly 118,000 acres. By the same point this year, the state recorded more than 7,600 fires and roughly 2.3 million acres burned, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, or Cal Fire.

The fires have been stoked by a recent heat wave and propelled by strong winds. In many places, even a small blaze can find plentiful fuel — dry timber, grass and brush — officials said, pleading with people to avoid any activities that could create a spark or flame. ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/911058507/i-heard-popping-and-houses-blowing-up-unprecedented-wildfires-rip-through-oregon
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« Reply #1312 on: September 09, 2020, 10:13:31 PM »
They make it sound like it was a firework or something. Somebody who works with explosives used materials not available to the general public. While it probably would not have burned out of control without climate change the cause was pride. Someone wanted a dramatic display to impress others. Even without the fire what a waste.

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« Reply #1313 on: September 10, 2020, 01:35:13 AM »
They make it sound like it was a firework or something. Somebody who works with explosives used materials not available to the general public. While it probably would not have burned out of control without climate change the cause was pride. Someone wanted a dramatic display to impress others. Even without the fire what a waste.

Elaborate “gender reveal” celebrations for an unborn child have become very popular in the U.S. over the past couple years.  It’s a fun way to share the news, which of course the parents have been excited about for some time (although I’m not sure what it accomplishes other than to advise their friends on whether baby gifts should be pink or blue).  Still, a party in the age of COVID is dicey in and of itself; then adding a smoking pyrotechnic device in a drought location shows just how far out of touch these parents were.  They are cooperating with fire investigators; no word on fines or punishment yet.
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« Reply #1314 on: September 10, 2020, 01:39:37 AM »
No words needed.

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« Reply #1315 on: September 10, 2020, 12:46:43 PM »
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« Reply #1316 on: September 10, 2020, 05:23:23 PM »
California Wildfires Growing Bigger, Moving Faster Than Ever
https://phys.org/news/2020-09-california-wildfires-bigger-faster.html

... When it comes to California wildfires, it now takes days, not decades, to produce what had been seen as a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.

Last weekend, a fire burning in California's Sierra National Forest exploded in size, trapping hundreds of Labor Day holiday campers who could only be rescued by helicopters that made a series of white-knuckle flights into the smoke. Fire officials said they'd never seen a fire move so fast in forestland—15 miles (24 kilometers) in a day.

Three days later, on Wednesday, a wildfire in Plumas National Forest northeast of San Francisco spread 25 miles (40 kilometers) in a day and devoured an estimated 400 square miles (1,036 square kilometers),


... Recently "we have seen multiple fires expand by tens of thousands of acres in a matter of hours, and 30 years or more ago that just wasn't fire behavior that we saw,"

... Two California National Guard helicopters called in to rescue the trapped campers Saturday night found visibility deteriorating so swiftly that the crews opted to load their aircraft "to the absolute maximum" and well beyond normal safety limits in an unprecedented mission.

On one trip, Chief Warrant Officer 5 Joseph Rosamond and his three-member crew took on 102 desperate campers in a CH-47 Chinook twin-rotor helicopter designed for 30 passengers. A UH-60 Black Hawk ferried 22 evacuees in a helicopter with a normal operating capacity of 11 or 12 passengers.

The overloaded Chinook slowly climbed to 8,000 feet (2,440 meters) to clear surrounding mountains and dense smoke.

"It was an absolute emergency and people's lives were at stake," Rosamond recalled. "It was pretty dicey. The charts don't go that high.". ...

One of the helicopter pilots who rescued people trapped in the fire said in an interview posted at the Bee that he has been shot at while flying for the Army but, “[T]he stress and added workload of going in and out of that fire every time is by far the toughest flying I have ever done.”

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... Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington said on Tuesday that an estimated 330,000 acres had burned across the state on Monday, more than what burned in each of the last 12 fire seasons. “The devastation is all over our state,” Mr. Inslee said in a news briefing.

https://wildfiretoday.com/

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North Complex of Fires Estimated at a Quarter of Million Acres After Explosive Growth
https://wildfiretoday.com/2020/09/09/north-complex-of-fires-estimated-at-a-quarter-of-million-acres-after-explosive-growth/

One of the fires on the North Complex of fires east of Chico, California apparently grew by about 100,000 acres Tuesday. Operations Section Chief Jake Cagle said Wednesday morning that 45 mph winds pushed the Claremont/Bear Fire to the southwest for miles until it reached Lake Oroville east of the city by the same name. But it didn’t stop there. According to the map produced by the incident management team it worked its way around the south side of the lake and may have even spotted across the lake.

... The exact location of the fire’s edge was not certain at mid-day Wednesday because an aircraft scheduled to map the fire Tuesday night became unavailable due to a maintenance issue. Without the more accurate mapping system, the incident management team used heat-sensing data collected by satellites to evaluate the size, which is far less reliable. Mr. Cagle estimated Wednesday morning that the fire at that time was about 45 miles long and 30 miles wide.

The incident management team believes the North Complex of fires has burned approximately 254,000 acres, an increase of about 104,000 acres over the figure released earlier in the day.

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« Reply #1317 on: September 10, 2020, 06:51:18 PM »
Deadly Wildfires Worsen Across California, Oregon and Washington
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/09/10/deadly-fires-worsen-across-california-oregon-and-washington.html

Wind-fanned wildfires spread further across California, Oregon and Washington, destroying hundreds of homes and killing at least seven people.

Fires have burned through at least 2.5 million acres in California and have destroyed entire communities in Oregon and Washington.

Thousands of people in the Western states have had to evacuate their homes. The death toll from the fires is expected to rise over the next few days.

State and local officials are concerned that some people were unable to flee their homes that were burned down.


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« Reply #1318 on: September 10, 2020, 08:12:46 PM »
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« Reply #1319 on: September 10, 2020, 08:51:25 PM »
U.S. Forest Service temporarily closes all National Forests in California due to wildfire danger

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https://twitter.com/forestservice/status/1304122287914979328
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« Reply #1320 on: September 10, 2020, 11:02:11 PM »
U.S. Forest Service temporarily closes all National Forests in California due to wildfire danger ...

Reminded me of the opening scene in the movie 'Silent Running' where they send what's left of the National Forests out into space because the Earth can't support them anymore...

... On this first day of a new century, we humbly beg forgiveness, and dedicate these last forests of our once-beautiful nation, in the hope that they will one day return and grace our fouled Earth. Until that day, may God bless these forests, and the brave men who care for them.



Boys, this is Anderson speaking. We have just received orders to abandon and nuclear destruct all the forests, and return our ships to commercial service. I have received no explanation. And we must begin at 0900 in the morning. May God have mercy on us all.

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The #NorthComplex Fire has explosively grown in size to 252,163 acres. #California now has four of its Top 9 largest fires in the past nearly 90 years currently active.



https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveBowenWx/status/1303895965242470401

The August Complex fire, which has been burning since last month in northern California, is now officially the largest fire on record in the state’s history, officials said.

The California department of forestry and fire protection said the fire has scorched more than 736 square miles (1,906 square kilometers), centered in vast wilderness about 130 miles (209 kilometers) north of San Francisco, the AP reported. The fire began on 17 August as a series of three dozen separate blazes in the Mendocino national forest, which were sparked by thousands of lightning strikes.

The August Complex fire has destroyed 26 structures. The fire has surpassed the damage of the 2018 Mendocino Complex fire, which burned 717 square miles in the same region.
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« Reply #1321 on: September 11, 2020, 02:12:47 AM »
Drone footage of San Francisco’s apocalyptically orange real-life landscape from Wednesday combined with music created for the 2017 movie Blade Runner 2049. It all fits together almost too perfectly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarJimenez/status/1304065750324391936



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« Reply #1322 on: September 11, 2020, 07:59:22 AM »
Oregon Fires Force 500,000 to Evacuate as Blazes Across American West Kill 15
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/10/wildfires-us-california-oregon-washington-latest-death-toll

More than 500,000 people in Oregon have been forced to evacuate as unprecedented wildfires rage across the state, amounting to more than 10% of the population, authorities said Thursday.

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US Wildfires Could Spark Financial Crisis, Advisory Panel Finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/10/us-wildfires-financial-crisis-markets-cftc-report

The devastating wildfires now sweeping across the western US are among the sparks from climate change that could ignite a financial crisis by damaging home values, state tourism and local government budgets, an advisory panel to a US markets regulator found.

Those effects could set off a cascade of events including defaults and market disruptions, undermining the economy and sparking a crisis, according to a report from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC).

https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8234-20

Report: https://www.cftc.gov/About/AdvisoryCommittees/MarketRiskAdvisory/MRAC_Reports.html

“As we’ve seen in the past few weeks alone, extreme weather events continue to sweep the nation, from the severe wildfires of the west to the devastating midwest derecho and damaging Gulf coast hurricanes. This trend – which is increasingly becoming our new normal – will likely continue to worsen in frequency and intensity as a result of a changing climate,” said Rostin Behnam, CFTC commissioner.

More than 85 significant fires and 900,000 acres are currently burning across the west, destroying communities in California, Oregon and Washington state

“Beyond their physical devastation and tragic loss of human life and livelihood, escalating weather events also pose significant challenges to our financial system and our ability to sustain long-term economic growth,” said Behnam.

The CFTC sees climate change impacting the US economy in several major ways.

... Climate catastrophes can make investors aware of risks not priced into markets, the report said, and this can “trigger a disorderly repricing of assets, which could have cascading effects on portfolios and balance sheets and, therefore, systemic implications for financial stability”.

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« Reply #1323 on: September 11, 2020, 05:45:02 PM »
Major wildfires tear through California, Oregon and Washington as death toll rises
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Dozens of major wildfires are burning through the U.S. West Coast, destroying hundreds of homes and wiping out entire neighborhoods in two towns in Oregon.

More than 3 million acres have burned in California, a record in state history. The August Complex that started from a series of lightning strikes last month has become the biggest wildfire in California's history.
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About 500,000 people are under evacuation orders in Oregon, about an eighth of the state's total population, as the state battles nearly three dozen fires.

The blazes have also destroyed entire communities in Oregon, including Detroit; Blue River and Vida; and Phoenix and Talent. In Washington state, fires destroyed most of the homes in the town of Malden.

Portland General Electric has received unconfirmed reports that some fires in Oregon may have been started by electrical equipment impacted by heavy winds and debris. ...

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown said more than 900,000 acres have burned in her state, well above the yearly average of 500,000 acres in the state.

"We have never seen this amount of uncontained fire across the state," Brown said at a press conference Thursday. "We are feeling the acute impacts of climate change."
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In California, about 64,000 people are under evacuation orders while firefighters battle 29 major fires. Six of the top 20 largest wildfires in state history have happened this year, according to Cal Fire, the state's fire agency. ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/11/wildfires-death-toll-rises-in-california-oregon-and-washington-.html
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« Reply #1324 on: September 12, 2020, 02:00:47 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/01/california-incarcerated-firefighters-prison

"I am proud to have served on my firefighting crew – the experience gave me a chance to grow as a person and a first responder. As a lead engineer, I earned 37 cents an hour: $56 a month. I didn’t fight fires for the money. I didn’t do it to have additional time shaved off my sentence, which I wasn’t eligible for because of my crimes. I did it because it made me feel like I was contributing to my state and a part of the community around me."

Six years before Kamala Harris became the first woman of color on a major ticket, while she served as California’s attorney general, her office repeatedly thwarted efforts to reduce overcrowding in prisons. At one point it argued that the early release of inmates “would severely impact fire camp participation — a dangerous outcome while California is in the middle of a difficult fire season and severe drought”.

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« Reply #1325 on: September 12, 2020, 09:43:09 AM »
glenn, I started reading that as if it was your personal story and started to get fired-up with all kinds of questions popping up in my mind :).
Perhaps better to put the link near the top?

When the western USA fires are over, a seemless take-over by eastern Australia fires is on the boards. Imagine living there and knowing that it will be coming again and again and with an ever increasing likelyhood of more extreme fires and new phenomena. Until the trees are all dead and burned up. The damage of all the GHG released will only temporarily be offset by the released aerosols imo.
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« Reply #1326 on: September 12, 2020, 11:33:25 AM »
glenn, I started reading that as if it was your personal story and started to get fired-up with all kinds of questions popping up in my mind :).
Perhaps better to put the link near the top?

When the western USA fires are over, a seemless take-over by eastern Australia fires is on the boards. Imagine living there and knowing that it will be coming again and again and with an ever increasing likelyhood of more extreme fires and new phenomena. Until the trees are all dead and burned up. The damage of all the GHG released will only temporarily be offset by the released aerosols imo.

I live in Eastern Australia.
And it is a situation where the fire season starts and ends earlier every year.
It also involves, on average, bigger and harder to control fires that keep burning more and more. Last summer was the worst ever and it was the worst ever not all that many years ago.
Thankfully, this year might be a normal year (whatever that means).

BUT.... the worst part of it all is the Govt ignoring climate change. They keep talking about better funding for the fire services but it isn't enough.
Last year they ignored ex fire cheifs and scientists who predicted and told them that the coming summer had strong potential to be the worst ever.... and the Govt wouldn't even have a meeting with them.
Volunteer fire fighters are giving up because it takes up too much time with no income and no true support from the Govt. And as volunteer fire fighters reduce in numbers, there is a refusal to bring in more professionals to do the job.

It makes me sick just thinking about it.

This year we have had plenty of rain, which would normally be a good thing, but here, it means heaps fo grass growth and vegetation will grow, even in the fire affected areas from last summer. The problem is it all dries out and provides fuel for the fires.
Those burnt out areas that people say wont burn again this year are wrong..... those regions will have grass growing like crazy and grass burns fast and moves faster than bush fires.

There is no good news here... it is just going to keep getting worse with no reason to see any improvement in the near future.

And I look at California and from what I see there, they are not exactly taking the right action either.

I keep thinking that at some point the public will demand action.... but I think what is happening it the public are used to the events and live with it until their town or, eventually, parts of cities begin to burn down.... maybe then something will happen.

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« Reply #1327 on: September 12, 2020, 06:50:12 PM »
Thanks for that Rodius.
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« Reply #1328 on: September 12, 2020, 08:47:20 PM »
Map: Two Big Oregon Fires Merge, and a Third Is Close
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/11/map-two-big-oregon-fires-merge-and-a-third-is-close/amp/


That's an hour drive from Salem to Portland. Just sayin'

The two largest fires burning in Oregon have merged, and a third is  less than three miles away. [... Once they merge, they will present a 40×60 mile fire front!]

The Lionshead Fire — which had already joined boundaries with the smaller P515 — and the Beachie Creek Fire have touched, north of Detroit Lake. The joined fire was initially renamed Santiam, but then was returned to its original names.

The Riverside Fire is expected to soon merge with Beachie Creek.

All three fires merged would be more than 450,000 acres. The heat could send embers flying long distances, potentially igniting new fires.

The mandatory evacuation zone for the three fires covered almost 2,000 square miles on Friday and extended to Portland’s southeast suburbs. It is shown in orange on the map above.

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Smoke forecast 5 a.m. PDT Sept. 12, 2020.


Satellite photo, 4:30 p.m. Sept 11, 2020. GOES 17, NASA.


Drought Index September 1, 2020.

Time-lapse Video: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G17&sector=pnw&band=GEOCOLOR&length=240

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« Reply #1329 on: September 12, 2020, 09:46:08 PM »
... shape of things to come ...

America’s Worst Wildfire: The Big Burn of 1910
https://www.historynet.com/americas-worst-wildfire-the-big-burn-of-1910.htm

... On August 20 the winds came. “[That] Saturday afternoon,” historian Tim Egan wrote in his 2009 book The Big Burn, “atmospheric conditions gave birth to a Palouser [down slope wind/dust storm?] that lifted the red dirt of the hills and slammed into the forests—not as a gust or an episodic blow, but as a battering ram of forced air.”

When the wind hit the downslopes, it accelerated, flattening out the flames and incinerating everything in its path. Hydrocarbons in the resinous sap of the predominant Western white pines boiled out of the trees, releasing highly flammable gas that spread across hundreds of square miles and detonated spontaneously as it heated.

“In a matter of hours,” the Forest Service noted, “fires became firestorms, and trees by the millions became exploding candles. Millions more trees—sucked from the ground, roots and all—became flying blowtorches. It was dark by 4 in the afternoon, save for wind-powered fireballs that rolled from ridgetop to ridgetop at 70 miles an hour. They leaped canyons a half-mile wide in one fluid motion. Entire mountainsides ignited in an instant.”

By noon on August 21 roiling clouds of smoke had blacked out the sky as far south as Denver and as far north as the town of Saskatoon in Saskatchewan, Canada. People claimed to have seen night-flying bats at midday. Smoke from the fire, the Forest Service reported, “turned the sun an eerie copper color in Boston. Soot fell on the ice in Greenland.” As the fire grew, people in upstate New York, some 2,000 miles east of Wallace, could smell smoke on the wind, and ships in the Pacific Ocean to the west had trouble navigating by the stars due to the smoke obscuring the night sky.

The windblown firestorm persisted a full 48 hours. “For pure physical force,” Egan says, “we haven’t seen anything like it since.” Ranger Edward G. Stahl recalled flames hundreds of feet high, “swooping to earth in great darting curves, truly a veritable red demon from hell.”


... At its height the Big Burn had covered an area the size of Connecticut. - 4700 sq.mi.

The current Oregon fire is half that size 2000 sq.mi , 0% contained, and growing




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_1910
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« Reply #1330 on: September 13, 2020, 02:11:26 AM »

Smoke forecast for 6 a.m. PDT Sept 13, 2020.
https://hwp-viz.gsd.esrl.noaa.gov/smoke/index.html#

Air quality from AirNow at 3 p.m. PDT September 12, 2020 is below. Most of Oregon, Washington, and northern California are in the categories of Unhealthy, Very Unhealthy, or Hazardous. If you’re in those areas and are lucky enough to have an N95 mask, this is a good time to use it. Being indoors does not help much.


Air quality at 3 p.m. PDT Sept. 12, 2020. AirNow.




Pyrocumulus cloud from Claremont-Bear Fire, Sept. 8 ,2020

The video shot by Jackson County authorities on September 8 is below. It begins near Ashland, then continues up the Interstate 5 corridor through Talent and Phoenix.


Start at ~ 8:20

https://wildfiretoday.com/
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« Reply #1331 on: September 13, 2020, 04:09:34 AM »
The Air Quality Index in Oroville is between 800 and 1000 - well above where the government’s AQI chart cuts off at 500.





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« Reply #1332 on: September 13, 2020, 08:53:47 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/sep/12/california-governor-we-are-in-the-midst-of-a-climate-emergency-video

"The California governor, Gavin Newsom, said ‘this is not a world that anyone should be experiencing’ as he surveyed charred mountain terrain devastated by wildfires. ‘If you do not believe in science, I hope you believe in observed evidence,’ he added. More than 68,000 people are under evacuation orders in California where the largest fire in state history has burned over 740,000 acres in the Mendocino National forest"

(1m40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=gFanSRYGvpk
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« Reply #1333 on: September 13, 2020, 09:06:23 PM »
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I just filed a sad story about a hemp farm that burned to the ground in Jamul last weekend. BUT its owner sent me a picture of its stubborn pig, Bruce, who refused to evacuate and survived
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« Reply #1334 on: September 13, 2020, 10:41:13 PM »
Good boy Bruce !

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« Reply #1335 on: September 13, 2020, 11:15:38 PM »
Good boy Bruce !

I kind of pictured you looking different.   ;)

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« Reply #1336 on: September 14, 2020, 12:15:27 AM »
Big pot party in the wallow down by the barn !
Where is everybody ?

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« Reply #1337 on: September 14, 2020, 01:32:28 AM »
You write things like that, Bruce - no wonder you have received so many 'likes'!
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« Reply #1338 on: September 14, 2020, 08:05:08 AM »
A video posted Saturday by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shows smoke from the fires in California, Oregon and Washington being pulled into a low pressure system over the Pacific.

Video: https://mobile.twitter.com/NOAASatellitePA/status/1304804151378038785

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https://scitechdaily.com/historic-fires-devastate-the-u-s-pacific-coast-scientists-at-a-loss-for-words-to-describe-the-scope-and-intensity/amp/

Throughout the outbreak, sensors like the Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite (VIIRS) and the Ozone Mapping and Profiler Suite (OMPS) on the NOAA-NASA Suomi NPP satellite have collected daily images showing expansive, thick plumes of aerosol particles blowing throughout the U.S. West on a scale that satellites and scientists rarely see.



On September 9, OMPS measured a smoke cloud (top of this page) over the western U.S. with higher aerosol index values than anything Colin Seftor, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, says he has ever seen with OMPS. On that day, a frontal boundary moved into the Great Basin and produced very high downslope winds along the mountains of Washington, Oregon, and California. The winds whipped up the fires, while a pyrocumulus cloud from the Bear fire in California injected smoke high into the atmosphere. The sum of these events was an extremely think blanket of smoke along the West Coast.

A few days earlier, the joint NASA-CNES CALIPSO satellite observed an unprecedented pyrocumulus cloud that emerged from the Creek fire in California. The cloud lofted smoke 17 kilometers (10 miles) into the atmosphere, a record for a fire in North America and enough to carry smoke into the stratosphere.



“The pyrocumulonimbus cloud created aerosol index values indicate that this is one of the largest (if not the largest) pyroCb events seen in the United States,” according to Dr. Colin Seftor, Atmospheric Scientist at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, MD.

https://scitechdaily.com/scorching-heat-from-californias-creek-fire-creates-a-pyrocumulonimbus-cloud/

All of that smoke translates into significant carbon emissions. “By our estimates, 2020 is the highest year of fire carbon emissions for California in our Global Fire Emissions Database, which has data for 1997 to the present,” said Douglas Morton, chief of the biospheric sciences laboratory at NASA Goddard. “Fire emissions this year far outpace the annual totals for all other years, and it is only September 11.”

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« Reply #1339 on: September 16, 2020, 03:37:43 PM »
Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US
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Thousands of migrating birds have inexplicably died in south-western US in what ornithologists have described as a national tragedy that is likely to be related to the climate crisis.
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Long-distance migrants flying south from tundra landscapes in Alaska and Canada pass over America’s south-west to reach winter grounds in Central and South America. During this migration it is crucial they land every few days to refuel before continuing their journey.

Unprecedented wildfires across the western states of the US could mean they had to re-route their migration away from resource-rich coastal areas and move inland over the Chihuahuan desert, where food and water are scarce, essentially meaning they starved to death. “They’re literally just feathers and bones,” Allison Salas, a graduate student at NMSU who has been collecting carcasses, wrote in a Twitter thread about the die-off. “Almost as if they have been flying until they just couldn’t fly any more.”

The south-western states of the US have experienced extremely dry conditions – believed to be related to the climate crisis – meaning there could be fewer insects, the main food source for migrating birds. A cold snap locally between 9 and 10 September could have also worsened conditions for the birds.

Any of these weather events may have triggered birds to start their migration early, having not built up sufficient fat reserves. Another theory is that the smoke from the wildfires may have damaged their lungs. “It could be a combination of things. It could be something that’s still completely unknown to us,” said Salas. ...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/16/birds-falling-out-of-the-sky-in-mass-die-off-in-south-western-us-aoe
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« Reply #1340 on: September 17, 2020, 02:51:08 PM »
The cause of the Camp Fire that destroyed Paradise, California in 2018.
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this electrical transmission tower has a little problem. can you spot it? actually, it's not a small problem--it cost us 16.65 *billion* dollars and caused the deaths of 85 people. 
https://twitter.com/tubetimeus/status/1306359385656946688
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« Reply #1341 on: Today at 01:59:25 AM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/ivb9ns/there_is_now_documentable_evidence_that_the_west/


Smoke from fires in California and Oregon rose into the atmosphere, where it was swept into the jet stream and blown across the continent. The plumes of smoke acted as high clouds, reflecting back into space the heating energy of the sun, known as solar radiation.

On a typical sunny afternoon in mid-September in Upstate New York, that energy would be about 800 watts per square meter, Brotzge said. This week, it was closer to 600.

“It looks like solar radiation was decreased by as much as 20 to 25 percent compared to what we would normally expect,” he said. “That’s going to reduce your temperatures at the surface by that 3 to 5 degrees that we saw.”