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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2018, 02:33:41 PM »
Despite this deplorable attack and its tragic outcome, I think the blame should be laid on those who decided to use such bombs for their purposes - the Saudis, and partially on those who decided to give them these bombs - US officials. Laser guided MK-82 bombs have been around for 40 years, Lockheed Martin makes the guidance kit, while General Dynamics makes the bomb itself AFAIK. Blaming Lockheed Martin "misses the mark" IMHO.

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« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2018, 06:35:34 AM »
Many may pull back from purchasing Saudi-Tesla products, even Tesla-Saudi ones.
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« Reply #102 on: August 19, 2018, 10:23:44 AM »
Blaming Lockheed Martin "misses the mark" IMHO.

Quite so. So long as the bomb doesn't miss it's mark.

Then Lockheed Martin would be out of the bomb business...

Think of all those moms and pops who would lose some of their SS savings and then couldn't retire to Florida. :( 
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« Reply #103 on: August 19, 2018, 09:16:15 PM »
Rehabilitation of war criminals proceeds apace: The new heroes of the left:

" ... the nation’s spies are enjoying a renaissance in their public standing, particularly among Democrats ..."

" ... Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden have, in the space of a couple of years’ worth of Trump criticism, seemingly erased the massive scandals that once clung to their names ... "

"Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden are not dispassionate guardians of democratic ideals and decency. They’re the former executives of what Matt Taibbi has accurately called “an authoritarian state-within-a-state,” who created and promoted illiberal programs of torture, assassination, and spying, and have brazenly, and often illegally, lied to the public and the lawmakers who are supposed to hold them to account."

" ... criticism of Trump from figures like Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden is motivated at least as much by their abiding loyalty to the intelligence apparatus he disdains, their longstanding hawkishness when it comes to Russia, and the need to distract from their own checkered histories, as it is by high-minded principles of democracy and patriotism. Every time one of these men does an interview, writes an op-ed, or goes on a talk show, we shouldn’t forget that until very recently, their names were associated with scandal and censure."

Unfortunately the author actually believes there is such a thing called "American Democracy" ...

"Ensuring the survival of American democracy will eventually require taking on this shadow government, too — a task made all the more difficult when liberals turn its architects into idols."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/john-brennan-trump-hayden-clapper

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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #105 on: August 29, 2018, 10:23:40 AM »
What kind of world is this ?

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/suspected-cia-black-site-in-thailand-to-become-tourist-destination-20180827-p5001o.html

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I have a good name: Waterboardworld!

Rehabilitation of war criminals proceeds apace: The new heroes of the left:

" ... the nation’s spies are enjoying a renaissance in their public standing, particularly among Democrats ..."

" ... Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden have, in the space of a couple of years’ worth of Trump criticism, seemingly erased the massive scandals that once clung to their names ... "

"Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden are not dispassionate guardians of democratic ideals and decency. They’re the former executives of what Matt Taibbi has accurately called “an authoritarian state-within-a-state,” who created and promoted illiberal programs of torture, assassination, and spying, and have brazenly, and often illegally, lied to the public and the lawmakers who are supposed to hold them to account."

" ... criticism of Trump from figures like Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden is motivated at least as much by their abiding loyalty to the intelligence apparatus he disdains, their longstanding hawkishness when it comes to Russia, and the need to distract from their own checkered histories, as it is by high-minded principles of democracy and patriotism. Every time one of these men does an interview, writes an op-ed, or goes on a talk show, we shouldn’t forget that until very recently, their names were associated with scandal and censure."

Unfortunately the author actually believes there is such a thing called "American Democracy" ...

"Ensuring the survival of American democracy will eventually require taking on this shadow government, too — a task made all the more difficult when liberals turn its architects into idols."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/john-brennan-trump-hayden-clapper

You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

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I watched Brennan in an interview with Bill Maher yesterday. It remains pretty mindboggling.
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« Reply #106 on: August 29, 2018, 01:51:53 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(miniseries)

https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80059446

"an investigation into a heavily reported subject that ultimately yields no new information." says the Atlantic. But that's not quite accurate. New information does arise but no one (eg Sy Hersh) can openly say what that is. It's left for the viewer to decide what that might be. Not that hard to work out either. For nothing much of anything has really changed since the 1950s, the 1970s, the 1990s to today.

The doco is tedious, the facts themselves, and how the history unfolded is fascinatingly riveting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/wormwood-errol-morris-review-netflix-cia-mkultra/548486/

Sleep well America for the "good guys" are standing at the battlements defending your liberty and democracy so you don't need to worry about it. Everything is in good order. 
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« Reply #107 on: August 29, 2018, 02:17:02 PM »
“Manufacturing consent” is Noam Chomsky's phrase, and he wrote an important book (long ago) about how the media uses five propaganda-based filters to support ruling elites. These are

    1. ownership for profit,
    2. advertising,
    3. elite complicity,
    4. attacking alternative narratives,
    5. creating diversionary boogie men

http://www.integralworld.net/dillard19.html

It's good to keep reminding myself that those in power are there by virtue of being able (via media) to control the narrative. Once that can't control the narrative, they lose.

Great thought provoking section on How we manufacture our own consent :)
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« Reply #108 on: September 11, 2018, 12:43:55 AM »
On third of psychologists in the American Psychological Association are now cool with torture:

"What makes the new vote less than completely satisfying, however, is this: the 2015 vote establishing that policy was 157-to-1. This year, a third of the council was ready to send psychologists back to Guantánamo. Like much of the rest of Donald Trump’s United States, the APA seems to be in the process of backsliding on torture."

"Obama also argued that nothing would be "gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." He couldn’t have been more mistaken. "

https://original.antiwar.com/Rebecca_Gordon/2018/09/09/psychologists-say-no-to-torture/

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« Reply #109 on: September 11, 2018, 01:27:43 AM »
"One third of psychologists in the American Psychological Association are now cool with torture:"
You don't have to read much history to realise morality is a moveable feast, these guys seem to be standing on marbles.