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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #400 on: September 19, 2018, 08:11:40 AM »
We’ve destroyed normal forever........If each new decade brings its own unique, ever-worsening climate disasters, there won't be any new norms for a long, long time.....
With international deaths still mounting from Super Typhoon Mangkhut, the Philippines is the death dealt punishment bullseye, marked by the ever-increasing AGW energy building in the Earth's biosphere. Sixty% to 70%(can that be possible?) of the Philippines' strongest, deadliest, costliest (or whatever adjectives you wish to use) typhoons have occurred within the 21st century. & the Earth is showing that there are many targets outside Bullseye Philippines. 
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« Reply #401 on: September 19, 2018, 09:00:12 AM »
How I Talk to My Daughter About Climate Change
As a reporter covering the environment, I'm all too aware of what the next 50 years could hold. As a 9-year-old(daughter), she's not—and for now, she wants to stay that way.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/04/raising-kids-climate-change/554969/
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My daughter is 9—9 and a half(daughter),.....doesn’t want to know about climate change. Not from me, at least. Not yet......
My own responses to climate change have, inevitably, affected my daughter.
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When I was 6 years old, playing out in the front yard, with our small town Main Street on our yard's border, I suddenly looked at some of the passing cars' exhaust pipes with little trails of exhaust emitted that disappeared into the air. I knew enough to know that what had "disappeared" was still in the air. I'd been to the smaller city fairly near to us & knew many cars with exhaust pipes puffing, also had "disappearing" stuff. I knew about big cities around the world with millions(more?) of "puffing" cars. At times, I'd stood by idling cars, that smelled bad & made my throat tickle. I didn't like it & believed that adults must be working on the problem to solve it. I grew older & found out that adults were working on........ "some of the problems". & later I discovered that adults were....... NOT "working on the whole problem".
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #402 on: October 14, 2018, 05:35:20 PM »
"If you melt those ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, the water levels will rise and come to the level of the Statue of Liberty's elbow," warns astrophysicist @neiltyson as he discusses climate change with @VanJones68 on The Van Jones Show on CNN.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cnn/status/1051243685072068608
Minute+ video clip at the link.
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« Reply #403 on: October 14, 2018, 05:42:54 PM »
"If you melt those ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, the water levels will rise and come to the level of the Statue of Liberty's elbow," warns astrophysicist @neiltyson as he discusses climate change with @VanJones68 on The Van Jones Show on CNN.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cnn/status/1051243685072068608
Minute+ video clip at the link.

This is terrible. Nonscientific fear-mongering IF'S. The Ice caps are not going anywhere soon.
These kind of things just push people away.

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #404 on: October 15, 2018, 01:51:34 PM »
"If you melt those ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, the water levels will rise and come to the level of the Statue of Liberty's elbow," warns astrophysicist @neiltyson as he discusses climate change with @VanJones68 on The Van Jones Show on CNN.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cnn/status/1051243685072068608
Minute+ video clip at the link.

This is terrible. Nonscientific fear-mongering IF'S. The Ice caps are not going anywhere soon.
These kind of things just push people away.

Since the calm, reasoned expanations of “a few feet in a few decades” has done essentially nothing to get people to act on climate change, it seems clear a more radical approach is required.  There’s a reason the “don’t text and drive” PSAs include shocking car crashes.

One interesting aspect here is that it involves a beloved scientist making the statements on CNN.  That invites a useful audience, albeit on a less-watched show.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #405 on: October 18, 2018, 12:49:29 PM »
What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action in the UK is an attempt to start "disruptive, nonviolent disobedience". Given the mood in the country, no surprise if the nonviolent bit will be difficult to maintain amongst some of the protestors.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/18/governments-no-longer-trusted-climate-change-citizens-revolt

As the fracking protesters show, a people’s rebellion is the only way to fight climate breakdown
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Our politicians, under the influence of big business, have failed us. As they take the planet to the brink, it’s time for disruptive, nonviolent disobedience

On 31 October, I will speak at the launch of Extinction Rebellion** in Parliament Square. This is a movement devoted to disruptive, nonviolent disobedience in protest against ecological collapse. The three heroes jailed for trying to stop fracking last month, whose outrageous sentences have just been overturned, are likely to be the first of hundreds. The intention is to turn this national rising into an international one.

This preparedness for sacrifice, a long history of political and religious revolt suggests, is essential to motivate and mobilise people to join an existential struggle. It is among such people that you find the public and civic sense now lacking in government. That we have to take such drastic action to defend the common realm shows how badly we have been abandoned.

Extinction Rebellion** https://risingup.org.uk/XR/
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #406 on: October 20, 2018, 04:29:48 PM »
Climate Expert Katharine Hayhoe to Speak at Nobel Peace Prize Forum
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The panel discussion in Oslo, Norway will cover the world’s response to climate change.

Katharine Hayhoe, co-director of the Texas Tech University Climate Science Center and a professor in the Department of Political Science in the College of Arts & Sciences, has been invited to participate in one of the most distinguished forums in the world by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

Hayhoe will join other world leaders on climate science, policy and solutions as part of the 2018 Nobel Peace Prize Forum Oslo at the University of Oslo, Norway. The forum, scheduled for Dec. 11 and titled “How to Solve the Climate Crisis in Time,” will follow the keynote speech delivered by former U.S. vice president and 2007 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Al Gore.

“I'm honored to participate in this event, and I appreciate the decision of the Nobel Peace Prize Forum to use this event to highlight the urgency of a changing climate,” Hayhoe said. “Just last week, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its latest report, detailing in stark terms the future of our world if we don't take immediate action to reduce carbon emissions. A global conversation about how we can sensibly and safely accomplish this goal is exactly what we need right now.”

As the co-director of the Climate Science Center, Hayhoe engages with stakeholders in agriculture, public health, energy, infrastructure and more to communicate the relevance of a changing climate to our society today. ...
http://today.ttu.edu/posts/2018/10/nobel-peace-prize-forum
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #407 on: October 22, 2018, 02:13:53 PM »
What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action in the UK is an attempt to start "disruptive, nonviolent disobedience". Given the mood in the country, no surprise if the nonviolent bit will be difficult to maintain amongst some of the protestors.

Yep it is easy to demonstrate Fracking.  Somewhat harder to demonstrate the opening of a new North Sea gas field.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #408 on: November 07, 2018, 07:40:21 PM »
Results from U.S. mid-term elections yesterday:

Seven new Democratic Governors have solid Democratic state legislature majorities in both houses for majority (over 1/2 US population) - who proposed 50% clean energy by 2030 or better!

Ballot initiative flops mask strong election for clean energy | Utility Dive
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In each of those states, the newly elected governors will come into office with one-party rule — Democrats controlling both houses of the state legislatures — which may make it easier to enact their energy agendas. If that happens, it could mean fewer costly fights over clean energy ballot initiatives in the future, which delivered mixed results Tuesday night.
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ballot-initiative-flops-mask-strong-election-for-clean-energy/541626/
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« Reply #409 on: November 11, 2018, 09:16:04 PM »
Democrats won the majority of the U.S. Congress’ House in the mid-term elections last Tuesday, which means they will take over the leadership of House committees.  Scientists and climate-change believers are coming on board!

House Dems plan to bring back committee on climate change
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Democrats are reportedly planning to revive a House committee on climate change after winning back control of the House.

The Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming was dissolved by Republicans in 2011 after the GOP took control, but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will ask Democrats to reconstitute it, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

The special committee, which was started by Pelosi, was not authorized to advance legislation, but the panel held hearings to address concerns about climate change, extreme weather events and global warming.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/415723-house-dems-plan-to-bring-back-committee-on-climate-change

All eyes on top Democrat to bring science back to science committee
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Environmentalists are hoping that Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) will bring science back to the House science committee when she takes over as chair in the next Congress.

Johnson, if elected chair, will be the first woman with a degree in a STEM field to hold the position since 1990. She was the first registered nurse elected to Congress when she won her first term in 1993, and she’s served as ranking member on House Science, Space and Technology Committee since 2011.

The Democrat will represent a significant shift from the previous chairman, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas).

Smith introduced controversial bills including the Secret Science Reform Act and worked in tandem with the Trump administration to introduce heavily criticized policies on science transparency to the Environmental Protection Agency and Interior Department.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/415589-all-eyes-on-top-democrat-to-bring-science-back-to-science-committee

Congress gains an influx of scientists as GOP science committee head leaves
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/10/congress-gains-scientists-lawmakers-midterm-elections

Also posted in the Trump Assaults on Science on the Science board.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #410 on: November 12, 2018, 02:34:01 AM »
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The above is good news indeed. :D


If the Dems can concentrate on good governance for the next two years, their long heralded Blue Wave will become a reality in 2020.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #411 on: November 12, 2018, 05:03:25 AM »
Some folks are trying to organize a planet-wide general strike on Jan. 15th:

https://np.reddit.com/r/EarthStrike/

https://twitter.com/StrikeEarth


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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #412 on: November 12, 2018, 08:13:48 AM »
EIB climate survey
Assessing citizens’ sentiments towards climate change
http://www.eib.org/en/surveys/citizens-climate-change-survey
About Swedes (I'm a minority here, in more ways than this...):
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Below the EU average with 63% of Swedes describing themselves as concerned or alarmed when thinking about climate change, Swedes are less concerned about the impacts of climate change than their fellow Europeans. The survey also reveals that they are less aware of the dangers of climate change than the average EU citizen, with only 51% of Swedes considering that climate change has already become a threat to humanity, against 59% for the EU average.

Furthermore, the survey highlights some generational gaps, with 59% of the millennial generation (18 to 34 year-olds) believing global warming is due to human activity and only 37% of the ageing population (55+) sharing this view.
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #413 on: November 12, 2018, 05:19:22 PM »
With Democratic Majority, Climate Change Is Back on U.S. House Agenda
Fossil fuel supporters will still control the Senate, but the House will soon be able to turn a spotlight on climate change and Trump's retreat from responsibility.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07112018/election-2018-climate-change-democratic-majority-house-congress-energy-senate-governors-initiatives



The number (and state origin) of Democratic votes in last week’s U.S. mid-term elections, if applied to presidential voting and the electoral college (that archaic system that made a winner of the loser of the 2016 popular vote) — would be more than sufficient to provide a Democrat victory in 2020.

Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) 11/11/18, 11:30 AM
So here's an updated map showing House popular vote winners, mapped onto the Electoral College. Dark blue/dark red means the party won by >= 5 points, light blue/pink means it was close.
https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1061657448719749120

ג'סיקה מונטל - جسيكا مونتل (@JessicaMontell) 11/11/18, 12:18 PM
@NateSilver538 Consider switching to a map of population rather than land. All that empty space painted red is very misleading. See @nytimes map
https://twitter.com/jessicamontell/status/1061669472266792961

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #414 on: November 12, 2018, 07:38:02 PM »
Sig
The above is good news indeed. :D


If the Dems can concentrate on good governance for the next two years, their long heralded Blue Wave will become a reality in 2020.
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hope dies last while a trump supporter is like a priest to whom you want to proof that there is no god, even though they perhaps sooner or later get it, they would never admit it because their previous life would have been a waste.

as a result they're starting to abuse kids an fuck around until they get caught or fail.

in short, trump voters will not abandon the man in masses because they would admit their own stupidity when looking at themselves in the mirror, hence they gonna stick to their "hero" to the last man standing or until the man lost his power, his life or both.

the elect that man in millions takes so much inferiority that i'm not even sorry for them, only solution is to disconnect as much as possible from sick animalic humanity and live a humble life under the radar. biggest chance to survive anyways sifting through all documented history ;)
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #415 on: November 13, 2018, 08:46:12 PM »
U.S. Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Joins Environmental Activists in Protest at Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi’s Office
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The proposed committee would, among other things, establish a 10-year plan to transition the U.S. economy to become carbon neutral, according to draft legislation that the activists presented to Pelosi’s office. The activists are also pushing Democratic leaders to reject campaign contributions from fossil fuel industry groups. “We need every person who is going to claim the mantle of Democratic leadership to take the no fossil fuel money pledge,” Prakash said at the sit-in outside Pelosi’s office.

Ocasio-Cortez’s decision to join the protesters and march on her own House leader sets a tone of urgency and combativeness that is rare on Capitol Hill. Walking into the Cannon House Office Building, she told The Intercept something new had to be tried. “The way things are done has not been getting results. We have to try new methods,” she said. ...
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/13/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sunrise-activists-nancy-pelosi/
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« Reply #416 on: November 14, 2018, 04:02:36 AM »
Science show

Robyn Williams: And so to those questions of technology and risk, the wind turbines, coal mines and choice. Our PhD this week already has a doctorate but has just finished another one on risk and choice. Dr Kate Hughes of the University of Technology in Sydney.

Kate Hughes: Well, that was really interesting, doing this research, because one has to look at theoretical models and theories, and so I looked at these models, one is called the deficit model, in other words they haven't got enough science, let's give the non-experts more and more science, listen to us, we're exciting, we're sexy, listen to what we say and you will understand the science. That's the deficit model.

And then there's the dialogue model which is let's chat, chat, chat and just to go on and on, maybe two years' worth of chatting. It's called the dialogue model, and that's favoured by the left of course, and also by a very sort of touchy-feely…and it's important, the inclusive wanting to acknowledge power relations in a dialogue about risk, really important.

But it just lacks what it takes because it doesn't take into account the mind of the person, and that's the third model which is really fantastic to study, it's called the mental model and it's drawn from neuropsychiatry and psychology, and it says that some people, no matter what information they receive about phenomena, let's say climate change or a power station, no matter what information they receive they are unable to process it, and that's because they have a perception of risk that fits with their ideological position.

So this is the mental model, but it really does…I keep putting up little tags in my office saying 'mental model needed' because it does accept that there is a gap between empirical uncertainty and empirical risk, which scientists can calculate using probabilities, and then there's perceived risk which has a real foundation.

You might be looking at multinational corporation number three and they've already got a really bad history, they are still doing bad things, you're going to be naturally suspicious of them and for good reason. You will have an emotional reaction, for good reason. So this is Descartes' era actually, you can't separate the intellect from the emotion, they are always…

Robyn Williams: Oh sure, but, you see, I am more convinced in daily life that a lot of people who are powerful people are actually playing ideological games. Let me give you an example…

Kate Hughes: Oh they are.

Robyn Williams: I remember attending a one-hour brilliant extraordinary lecture by someone, an Australian, who happened to be the chief scientist in Britain, as well as the president of the Royal Society of London. This is only one step away from being God…

Kate Hughes: I heard that interview…

Robyn Williams: And he was the most incredibly informed person who gave slides, graphs, the weight of evidence was staggering about climate change. And then the leader of a bank, a very famous bank, simply said at the end when we were talking, 'I'm not convinced.' That's all he had to say and the whole thing was dismissed like that. It is an argument which gets you through having to bother.

Kate Hughes:
Well, that's right, and we always default to Trump, but he is symptomatic of a cultural malaise that we have about our inability to think as an overall group. I mean, society was much simpler before, you know, people went to church, there was only two sorts of blue, and now it's just the diaspora. And I think that there is so much chatter.

But going back to those power people, let's go back to the public and the public who no matter what won't be convinced. You see, middle-class people, we're very fortunate, we embrace change and we can take risks. We can take risks because we can handle the risk, we have the position in life, we have the finances, and we have the education, and we might have the mental stamina.

People that are in a less fortunate situation in life, and there's many of them, they are just not in a position to take a risk
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But the other thing in Australia that's working I think is an attitude to elites and an attitude to education. I call it the Ned Kelly factor, and it's that define yourself as an underdog, define yourself actually as a victim, or define yourself as a defiant survivor. And now the divide, even in Australia, the divide between…it's not the haves and have nots but it's different groups of people, I think that is the background and I'd call that part of the mental landscape of why you can't explain these things to people, that you are asking them to take risks, spend more money, change the way they do things…

Robyn Williams: Without having perhaps a union, the usual defender of your situation, for instance, who made such a difference about asbestos and the use of that because very few people will defend asbestos at the moment. Well, quite recently looking at the Panglossian, you know, Dr Pangloss who says this is the best of all possible worlds and things are getting better, Steve Pinker in the tradition of people like Matt Ridley and so on, the optimistic view of how we are progressing so that we have more and more bodies who are doing as you just said, checking out pesticides, herbicides, other chemicals and so on.

And the overall theory that came from Steve Pinker's latest book is overall we are doing better and better and things are improving overall, but it's fashionable to be negative and it's fashionable to wag a finger, and the left does this a huge amount. But there's also various people who are willing to be radically different, and they are anti-vaccines, they are anti-GM and so on. How would you see the overall picture of the world we are living in now?

Kate Hughes:
Because I'm interested in environmental pollution and at the global level, and during this research, because I did transdisciplinary research I looked at a lot of the scientific publications on persistent organic pollutants. The old ones—the DDTs, the PCBs, the dioxins et cetera—and then this new generation of POPs, your fluorinated compounds, and the situation is very, very serious.

Every child has a mixture in their urine…now, this is babies or placental blood, and that's where you measure it because the placenta is the richest in fat, so you will pick up the most fat-soluble chemicals, all contain a cocktail of chemicals. And they keep saying the jury is all out, but being a bit long in the tooth as I am, I sort of think, hmm, I seem to have heard this before, and it resonates and you think, no, wrong answer, we have to deal with the chemical pollution mixture.

And so when people say it's all getting better and they are making simple measures like more people are living longer, the silent thinkers in Australia, and there is a hell of a lot of people who don't get time to listen to radio, they are out there doing everything, everybody says, well, shouldn't we challenge possibly medical science…this is the humanist perspective and I think the humanist perspective is the only one that is really going to help people see their commonality and how they are connected.

These days people like to define themselves by why they are different from others, you know, identity politics. Values are really, really important. I'd love to work on the Western civilisation project because we need to bring the risks and the benefits up. And of course my work is about the risk, it's about chemical risk, chemical risks to the current generation, chemical risk to all animals, but interestingly the benefit side of how to clean it up, that's why I'm so interested in these experts, I mean, they really are interesting people.

Robyn Williams: Dr Kate Hughes doing her PhD on risk at the University of Technology in Sydney.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/explaining-risk/10482822#transcript
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #417 on: November 15, 2018, 10:50:30 AM »
Solheim and Branson are <I'll sensor myself here because this is so <I'll sensor myself here...> <I'll sensor myself here again...> <I'll sensor myself here again, too...>>:
https://twitter.com/ErikSolheim/status/1061923168162582528
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #418 on: November 15, 2018, 12:31:59 PM »
There is an increasing movement among brave young people, children aged 10 years:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gretathunberg
https://mobile.twitter.com/lillyspickup
https://mobile.twitter.com/elsie__luna

https://www.schoolstrike4climate.com/

Impressive speech of Greta Thunberg:



I try to support them by sharing their posts, leaving word to encourage them to do their walk and telling my children about them.

Maybe some of you here could support them too?  ;D



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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2018, 02:03:36 PM »
I agree:

Another from the "We Don't Have Time" series (posted earlier in this thread).

A message to all adults out there who are busy defending an obsolete lifestyle.





Also this, with the same video (content) as yours above but attached, nicibiene:
More on Greta Thunberg. Over 10.000 people in Helsinki this Saturday.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/20/teen-climate-activist-crowd-thousands-we-cant-save-world-playing-rules-because-rules

And this:
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Our present system started in the early 70's and one thing (maybe the only thing?) that might change it, is ordinary people and kids like Greta above. When enough people realize what must change, corporations and governments must change.
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« Reply #420 on: November 17, 2018, 10:43:05 AM »
Veteran Democrats wary of climate push by Ocasio-Cortez and her allies

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/16/veteran-democrats-wary-leftward-push-climate-977988

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Veteran Democratic lawmakers are closing ranks against new members pushing the party to the left on climate change.

Incoming chairmen say they want to address climate change, but they are bristling at the tactics of Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and other newly elected Democrats who say the party needs to come up with a "Green New Deal" that would decarbonize the economy within a decade.

“The idea that in five years or 10 years we’re not going to consume any more fossil fuels is technologically impossible,” Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), whose in line to lead the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, told POLITICO. “We can have grand goals but let’s be realistic about how we get there.”

It is impossible only because people like these cowards say it is impossible.

I am an energy reservoir seemingly intent on lowering entropy for self preservation.

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #421 on: November 17, 2018, 11:14:03 AM »
Veteran Democrats wary of climate push by Ocasio-Cortez and her allies

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Veteran Democratic lawmakers are closing ranks against new members pushing the party to the left on climate change.

Incoming chairmen say they want to address climate change, but they are bristling at the tactics of Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and other newly elected Democrats who say the party needs to come up with a "Green New Deal" that would decarbonize the economy within a decade.

“The idea that in five years or 10 years we’re not going to consume any more fossil fuels is technologically impossible,” Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), whose in line to lead the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, told POLITICO. “We can have grand goals but let’s be realistic about how we get there.”

It is impossible only because people like these cowards say it is impossible.
Corporate Democrats rule, OK?

ps Schoolchildren are going on strike in Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/15/the-children-are-rioting-in-the-streets-they-are-deadly-serious-and-perhaps-our-last-hope
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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #422 on: November 17, 2018, 04:44:41 PM »
Several arrested as thousands block London bridges in climate rebellion

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/17/thousands-gather-to-block-london-bridges-in-climate-rebellion

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More than 50 people have been arrested as thousands of demonstrators occupied five bridges in central London to voice their concern over the looming climate crisis.

The demonstration will move from eastern bridges to congregate at the end of the day at Westminster, where there will be speeches and opportunities for members of the public to speak about environmental destruction.

The move is part of a campaign of mass civil disobedience organised by a new group, Extinction Rebellion, which wants to force governments to treat the threats of climate breakdown and extinction as a crisis.

“The ‘social contract’ has been broken … [and] it is therefore not only our right but our moral duty to bypass the government’s inaction and flagrant dereliction of duty and to rebel to defend life itself,” said Gail Bradbrook, one of the organisers.

The social contract has been broken; the public trust has been violated. Time for a new deal.

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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #423 on: November 18, 2018, 11:35:20 AM »
This seems reactive as opposed to proactive. I have to ask if these sorts of policy changes are very well thought out or not. It puts the cost of walking away from FF squarely on the shoulders of the poorest without giving them an alternative. i.e. you still have to get to work every day or we take your car/house/food away.
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In just a few weeks, the yellow hi-vis vest has become such a potent political symbol that one risks being mistaken for a supporter of the rebellious gilets jaunes when cycling in Paris.
The gilets jaunes are a grass-roots revolt against high fuel prices, and they threaten to paralyse France on Saturday.
The cause of the price hikes are “eco taxes” meant to dissuade the French from using cars. “We choose to tax pollution and harmful products rather than workers,” budget minister Gérald Darmanin explains. Yet the fuel taxes penalize the poor disproportionately.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/revolt-over-high-fuel-prices-threatens-to-paralyse-france-1.3699287

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« Reply #424 on: November 18, 2018, 02:34:56 PM »
This is just one part of a whole range of measures and they are spreading the pain around:

As of January 1st 2019, SUV's (Sport utility vehicles), big sedans and other large cars will be slapped with penalties of between €50 to €10,500 depending on their polluting level, fines that in fact already exist.

The difference is that the emission threshold for cars will be lowered by 3 grams, from 120 to 117 grams of CO2 released per kilometer.

That means the number of cars penalized is likely to rise from the current 16.5 percent to 27.6 percent in 2019, unless there’s a considerable switchover to less polluting cars by the French public.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20180720/france-tightens-grip-on-polluting-cars-with-stricter-eco-tax


I went to look what the actual tax is. Of course there are some other issues with the price as well:



Why have fuel prices increased in France?
The hike in fuel prices is due to three things (two of which were decided by the government), said Chassignet.

A rise in crude oil prices in 2018 is the first reason why fuel prices have been high this year. The cost surged to a bit more than €80 per barrel in October although it has since dropped to the low 50s, high 40s in November. With a weak euro in regards to the dollar, this increase has been strongly felt by motorists.

“The price of crude oil increased a lot from July to October this year, it only started going down this month,” said Chassignet.

The second thing is an increase in the carbon tax, which is meant to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

Introduced in 2014 under the Francois Hollande government, the carbon tax falls under the domestic consumption taxes (TIC) umbrella. The government has the objective to keep increasing this tax for the next few years (going from €39 in 2018 to €47,5 in 2019).

Since the beginning of this year, the diesel tax went up by 7.60 cents per litre, while the tax on petrol went up by 3.90 cents per litre

https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/16/what-s-all-the-fuss-about-the-french-fuel-tax-hikes-euronews-answers

The french government also put money aside for compensation so you can get a credit for changing to a less polluting car.

So they are not just putting the cost of walking away from FF squarely on the shoulders of the
poorest.


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Re: What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action
« Reply #425 on: November 19, 2018, 02:47:31 PM »
The likely 2020 U.S. presidential candidate is daring TV networks to finally cover climate change.

Bernie Sanders, Stoking Democratic Uproar Over Global Warming, Sets A Climate Town Hall
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”The fact that [climate change] is that high among the base of one of our two major political parties is remarkable, because that was not the case even five years ago,” said Anthony Leiserowitz, a senior research scientist and Yale’s climate program director. “If you think of Bernie, you’d think he’d be talking about inequality or civil rights. There’s a whole host of progressive issues, yet this is the one he’s leading with. It may suggest there’s been an alignment of the stars.”

Last week, youth activists with the grassroots climate group Sunrise Movement staged sit-ins in the offices of House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), the likely next chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, who opposed the creation of a select committee on a Green New Deal.

At least three sitting members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus agreed to back a resolution Ocasio-Cortez proposed to establish a 15-member Green New Deal panel. Activists are hoping Sanders’ event will add the 2016 presidential contender’s star power to their movement. ...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-climate-change_us_5bf20e9ce4b0f32bd58aae6e
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