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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #250 on: February 04, 2020, 06:12:47 PM »
Thank you very much Bruce. Beautiful to read.

Re: difficult to answer question.
I would not know how to answer that either. Do you have contact with others in a comparable situation?

How many farmed pigs get to die from old age? :)
I think you are doing more than good and wish that you appreciate and compliment yourself with how few farm animals in our western world have such a relatively good life (what a contrast, e.g. you respect the individual pigs) and wish yours and your pigs to continue to live like that for a long time. May good things fall your way.
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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #251 on: April 13, 2020, 08:27:44 PM »
"People can live without beef."
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3010.msg259659.html#msg259659

Meat packing plants across the U.S. are closing as their employees become infected with the COVID-19 virus.  Will it affect people’s diets long term?
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« Reply #252 on: April 21, 2020, 03:41:37 PM »
Starbucks teams with Beyond Meat and others to launch plant-based menu in China
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Starbucks Corp. is teaming up with Beyond Meat Inc. (BYND, +13.95%) and two other companies to launch a plant-based lunch menu in China. Starbucks announced Monday night that it will start offering plant-based proteins from Beyond Meat and Omnipork, and non-dairy beverages from Swedish oat milk brand Oatly. The new items, which include a pesto pasta, a lasagna and a Vietnamese-style noodle salad, will be available at Starbucks locations in China starting Tuesday.

"Today we mark an important milestone as Beyond Meat launches in China, advancing our goal of increasing accessibility to plant-based protein globally," Ethan Brown, Beyond Meat's founder and chief executive, said in a statement.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/starbucks-teams-with-beyond-meat-and-others-to-launch-plant-based-menu-in-china-2020-04-20
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« Reply #253 on: April 27, 2020, 05:50:12 PM »
KFC to test plant-based chicken nuggets in China
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KFC China said Monday that it will test plant-based chicken nuggets at three locations between April 28 and April 30. Sourced from Cargill, the nuggets will be finished with water chestnut after cooked. KFC Plant-Based Chicken Nuggets will be sold in a five-piece serving. Customers must have a pre-sale coupon to purchase. The participating KFCs in Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen will get a green makeover during the test period. The chicken chain already tested the item on the app from April 20 through April 23 and sold 7,000 servings.

KFC China is part of Yum China Holdings Inc. (YUMC) KFC in the U.S., part of the Yum Brands Inc. (YUM) portfolio, previously tested plant-based chicken in Atlanta. Starbucks Corp. (SBUX) recently announced that it has partnered with Beyond Meat Inc. (BYND) and others to add plant-based food to its menu. Yum China stock is down 2.4% over the last year while the S&P 500 index (^GSPC) is down 3.5% for the period.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kfc-to-test-plant-based-chicken-nuggets-in-china-2020-04-27
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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #254 on: May 09, 2020, 02:29:59 AM »
Johnson at quilette: Sinclair redux

" sheds containing tens of thousands of birds stacked on top of one another, with no room to satisfy any of their basic instincts like nest building, dustbathing, and perching, and where disease and serious injury are constant facts of life ... grow so quickly that their bones can’t cope with the weight. These conditions are so stressful that they lead to what’s known as “sudden death syndrome”—a fit of stress-driven convulsions and cardiac arrhythmia that virtually never happens outside factory farms."

"a chicken producer gets a full score if three percent or fewer of its birds have “broken or dislocated wings.” Given the number of chickens produced every year, three percent would be 270 million birds. However, producers can still get partial credit if up to four percent of their birds (360 million) have broken wings."

"some birds are scalded alive ...  described birds going alive and conscious into the scalding "

"deformities, eye damage, blindness, bacterial infections of bones, slipped vertebrae, paralysis, internal bleeding, anemia, slipped tendons, twisted lower legs and necks, respiratory diseases, and weakened immune systems are frequent and long-standing problems"

"the incomprehensible suffering we’re inflicting on these animals is putting human lives at risk"

"Of all antibiotics sold in the United States, approximately 80 percent are sold for use in animal agriculture; about 70 percent of these are ‘medically important’ (i.e., from classes important to human medicine)… There is growing evidence that antibiotic resistance in humans is promoted by the widespread use of nontherapeutic antibiotics in animals. Resistant bacteria are transmitted to humans through direct contact with animals, by exposure to animal manure, through consumption of undercooked meat, and through contact with uncooked meat or surfaces meat has touched."

"these are drugs that people need, and we’re teaching pathogens how to resist them."

“Any talk of pandemic influenza today cannot ignore the fact that the most devastating disease event the world has ever known [the Spanish flu], and one of the greatest health threats before us today, has everything to do with the health of the world’s farmed animals, birds most of all.”

"The number of birds who live out their short and brutal lives in slaughterhouses is already astronomical—50 billion is an underestimate, as it excludes the number of male chicks that are “macerated” (thrown into grinders), asphyxiated, or killed in some other way."

"No animal on Earth is treated with more inhumanity than chickens, and this industrial cruelty has in turn made chickens and other birds one of the gravest threats to our health ... how we treat the creatures we eat may well determine the fate of our species."

https://quillette.com/2020/05/05/poultry-farming-covid-19-and-the-next-pandemic/

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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #255 on: May 09, 2020, 05:14:00 AM »
Thank you for a number of interesting posts today sidd.

 About the article above:
It are not just birds but also pigs and other animals that are treated this way in intensive agri-indrustry. (I reluctantly skip the fur-industry and wild animal trade in this post)

This fact alone, the extreme low morality of how we treat our fellow animals, should make people want to buy only organic produce, where the life of the animals is like a heaven compared to that described in the article above, or stop people from eating meat altogether.

Organic produce is a bit more expensive and harder to find, that's all, but it will make a heaven/hell-of-a-difference to the life and health of the animals you eat. Further positive effects are less pesticides and artificial fertilizers (less nitrogen), less antibiotics application, no growth-hormones, more biodiversity, less mono-culture, less habitat-loss, fewer transport miles (non-globalized), less deforestation and lower methane emissions (from lower antibiotics use, less growth-hormones and more varied fodder).

Note: not all countries have certified 'organic' labelling from an independent well-established institute. I understand that the U.S.A. has no such certification for organic produce. The E.U. has this for some time now: the green leaf-of-stars mark.

 R.I.P.: Love, Caring and Empathy.
Why does the majority buy these poducts? Don't they have a heart? Will they change after they've been inside such an industrial torture venue? Or are only children still sensitive enough to be influenced by that?
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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #256 on: May 18, 2020, 02:16:44 PM »
India's ''Superfood'Jackfruit Goes Global
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-india-superfood-jackfruit-global.html

Green, spiky and with a strong, sweet smell, the bulky jackfruit has morphed from a backyard nuisance in India's south coast into the meat-substitute darling of vegans and vegetarians in the West.

... The fruit, which weighs five kilogrammes (11 pounds) on average, has a waxy yellow flesh when ripe and is eaten fresh, or used to make cakes, juices, ice creams and crisps.

When unripe, it is added to curries or fried, minced and sauted. In the West, shredded jackfruit has become a popular alternative to pulled pork and is even used as a pizza topping.

"You get a hard bite like meat—that's what is gaining popularity and like meat it absorbs the spices," comments Joseph.

His firm sells jackfruit flour which can be mixed with or used as an alternative to wheat and rice flour to make anything from burger patties to local classics such as idli.

... As global warming wreaks havoc on agriculture, food researchers say jackfruit could emerge as a nutritious staple crop as it is drought-resistant and requires little maintenance.
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« Reply #257 on: May 18, 2020, 03:09:59 PM »
jackfruit could emerge as a nutritious staple crop as it is drought-resistant and requires little maintenance[/b].

jackfruit ain't no superfood, it contains very little protein and lots of sugar. just like banana. It's just a fruit.

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« Reply #258 on: May 18, 2020, 03:20:25 PM »
What makes jackfruit unique from other fruits is its protein content. It provides more than 3 grams of protein per cup, compared to 0–1 grams in other similar types of fruit, such as apples and mangoes.

When the fruit is ripe, it’s super sweet. But the unripe fruit has not converted starch into sugar and has a more neutral, less sweet taste
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« Reply #259 on: May 18, 2020, 04:22:21 PM »
I hate it when they label anything 'super food,' but jackfruit is not exactly 'just like a banana.' It has about twice the protein per calorie than bananas do. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/jackfruit-benefits#section2

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/bananas

But of course, nothing close to meat. But few people have serious problems with lack of protein in their diet. More have the opposite problem.

I have had jackfruit prepared in such a way that it was essentially indistinguishable from pulled pork--not sweet at all. Made for a very tasty vegan cubano!
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« Reply #260 on: May 30, 2020, 08:14:50 AM »
Kill the pigs: too expensive to keep alive

"a whistleblower employed by Iowa Select has provided extensive details to The Intercept about the extraordinary methods now being employed to kill pigs — agonizingly and over the course of many hours — in increasingly large numbers."

" being “depopulated,” using the industry’s jargon, by sealing off all airways to their barns and inserting steam into them, intensifying the heat and humidity inside and leaving them to die overnight. Most pigs — though not all — die after hours of suffering from a combination of being suffocated and roasted to death. The recordings obtained by The Intercept include audio of the piercing cries of pigs as they succumb. The recordings also show that some pigs manage to survive the ordeal — but, on the morning after, Iowa Select dispatches armed workers to enter the barn to survey the mound of pig corpses for any lingering signs of life, and then use their bolt guns to extinguish any survivors."

"it first experimented on a smaller group of hogs by just shutting off the airways into their barn and turning up the heat. Other employees told similar stories to DxE investigators. After those experiments failed — the oxygen-deprived pigs survived over the course of many hours, the whistleblower said, due to a failure to increase "the heat to fatal levels — Iowa Select decided to begin injecting steam into the barns, to accelerate the accumulation of heat and humidity. "

"they are slaughtering these now “worthless” animals in vast numbers as fast as possible, using extermination methods that cause sustained suffering and agony, to avoid the costs of keeping them alive."

"The quickest and most merciful way to induce death for so many animals at once — shooting them in the head one by one — would be too emotionally traumatizing even for factory farm employees"

"the hidden audio recorders placed in the barn as part of DxE’s investigation, sustained screams of distress and agony are audible as the heat fills the building while the air supply is shut down."

"pigs are social animals at least as intelligent and emotionally complex as dogs, who experience the full range of emotions from life — joy, playfulness, love, connection, pain, loss, suffering and grief ... bred by industrial agriculture to live in extreme deprivation, which often includes being confined for years in cages so small they can never even turn around, living in festering disease, and being genetically modified to be more profitable to the point that their own distorted bodies cause constant pain "

"the pandemic, while having no effect on the inherent moral value of these sentient beings, has stripped them of their commercial worth. And that has resulted in the industry using extermination methods outside of the standard processes, producing new ethical and moral horrors in an industry that was already suffused with them."

"Iowa Select Farms brands itself as an ethical, animal-friendly company, and its website repeatedly emphasizes the company’s ethical concern for its animals. "

"Iowa Select claims, in the words of one of the industry newsletters, that “veterinarians and production well-being professionals are overseeing the process to ensure accordance with the American Association of Swine Veterinarians and American Veterinary Medical Association.” "

"The Iowa-based American Association of Swine Veterinarians (AASV) receives ample financial support from corporations with involvement in the industrial agriculture. The AASV did not respond to inquiries from The Intercept about its relationship to the pork industry or to its role in Iowa Select’s use of ventilation shutdown."

" the AASV, at exactly the time Iowa Select discovered that its mass extermination of pigs had been recorded by animal rights investigators, publicly decreed that ventilation shutdown could be justified given the exigencies of the coronavirus pandemic."

“physical methods usually require a more direct association of the operator with the animals, which can be offensive to, and upsetting for, the operator.”

“Those making the decision to depopulate must be mindful of the emotional impact of the procedure on owners of the animals, laboratory technicians, conservation managers, emergency response personnel, veterinarians, and the community at large.”

Read the thing if you have the stomach:

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-ventilation-shutdown-coronavirus/

The last two paras i quoted depict a touching concern for human killing the pigs. What about the pigs ? My opinion of the AASV is that they should try ventilation shutdown for themselves.

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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #261 on: May 30, 2020, 05:46:18 PM »
Sidd, Before I would kill pigs like that I would prefer a torturous death for myself .

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« Reply #262 on: May 30, 2020, 09:09:31 PM »
What makes jackfruit unique from other fruits is its protein content. It provides more than 3 grams of protein per cup, compared to 0–1 grams in other similar types of fruit, such as apples and mangoes.


All fruits contain negligible amounts of protein, basically nothing. Jackfruit contains 1.7 grams per 100 gram. But many other fruits contain similar amounts, eg:
Bananas contain 1.1 g. Apricots contain 1.4 g. Avocados 2 g. Guavas 4 g. Blackberries 1.4 g

So once again: nothing special about jackfruit proteinwise either - though I understand that you like them, no problem with that

(you would need to eat 4-6 kg of the above fruit to cover your protein needs. I love fruits, almost all of them. I eat cca 1 kg each day (when i get melons I eat much more). As a true fruitlover i can tell you that eating enough fruits to cover your protein needs is almost impossible.

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« Reply #263 on: May 31, 2020, 04:39:40 AM »
The lesson from sidd's post above and the contrasts with Bruce's pig farm is clear: Not all meat is the same!
Please make this distinction when talking about meat/no-meat that there are more ways to get meat than from intensive industrial agriculture.

I only buy meat from organicly raised animals because I buy meat according to this ordered list of priorities:
  • How the animals are treated, how much of a 'natural' life they got. The morality of it, or ethics if you want.
  • How the rest of living nature is treated (habitat, deforestation, biocides, water pollution, artificial nutrients run-off etc.)
  • How humans are treated working in these farms/industries.
  • The quality of the meat (what did the animal eat and application of anti-biotics, growth-hormones and pesticides)
  • Transport kilometres/miles.
  • Last on the list: The price of the meat. When it's too expensive for me I don't eat meat. I won't forgo of my principles because of money.


Edit: Two nice youtube video's of organicly raised pigs:
(1m37) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkZRGAI1y_M?t=xx
(7m11) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eydJHtc0uos?t=xx    ('Tamworth' pig)
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« Reply #264 on: May 31, 2020, 05:45:06 AM »
Nanning , Sidd understands the distinction but my horror and I think Sidd’s horror is this is sanctioned by a veterinary assoc.  I have great respect for veterinarians and I cannot understand how anyone
, especially a vet , could sanction using heat stress to kill pigs.

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« Reply #265 on: May 31, 2020, 06:51:51 AM »
Netherlands.

A victory for the ethical organisations such as 'Varkens in Nood' ('Pigs in Distress') and 'Dier & Recht' ('animal & rights') and 9 more.
This is an important step for better animal well-being and our general morality.

In Netherlandic:
  https://www.varkensinnood.nl/nieuwsartikelen/succes-cameratoezicht-in-alle-nederlandse-slachthuizen


RESULT: From now on there will be camera's in all slaughterhouses!

Now they're fighting to get the camera's' images publicly live streamed.
And to discuss and change live animal transports (international, intercontinental), especially because many borders are now closed for the pandemic and there are long lines of waiting trucks (and ships) with live animals.


P.S. Bruce I'm with you all the way and I am aware that sidd understands. There should be a Hippocratic Oath for veterinarians (without the medical confidentiality). All (independent) inspection reports should be made public.
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« Reply #266 on: May 31, 2020, 07:23:45 AM »
Making everything public is not always the solution, first of all because you can't control everything and cheaters might get better rankings than people doing the job seriously. I prefer a size limitation (number of animals) and a transport limitation (maximum time in a truck). I heard that the police doesn't like to control international pigs' transport because there is almost always a problem, and they don't know what to do with the pigs when they stop the truck.

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« Reply #267 on: May 31, 2020, 08:58:20 AM »
I think it is mostly not about how these animals die but how they lived.
The only "ethical" way to keep animals in my mind is keeping them as "naturally" as possible, ie. let them live outside, let them have as much free space as possible, let them eat the food they are intended to consume, etc. Chicken should be picking weeds and earthworms and bugs; pigs should freely roam around; cows should eat  grass on the field and not grains.

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« Reply #268 on: May 31, 2020, 09:34:45 AM »
That veteraniarian postition was indeed shocking. But I am also horrified by mass production of meat as is practised today. The animals live a horrible life, and as we see die a horrible death. The average meat eater is never exposed to the brutality.

I love the idea of cameras in animal barns and slaughterhouses with live stream. Perhaps that will expose more people to exactly what happens before they get to eat the thing.

I sometimes think that all meat eaters should at least witness how the animals they eat are actually raised and killed and dressed, if not participate.

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« Reply #269 on: July 21, 2020, 07:21:01 PM »
KFC has teamed up with a Russian biotech company to 3D-print chicken nuggets
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According to a recent press release, KFC wants to become a "restaurant of the future" by "crafting the 'meat of the future,'" with help from a Russian company called 3D Bioprinting Solutions. This initiative, "arose among partners in response to the growing popularity of a healthy lifestyle and nutrition, the annual increase in demand for alternatives to traditional meat and the need to develop more environmentally friendly methods of food production."

If all goes to plan — which is definitely a thing that happens in the Hell Year 2020 — KFC will begin to sell the world's first lab-grown chicken nuggets in Moscow in the fall.

These lab-grown nuggies will of course still feature the same blend of 11 spices and herbs that made them famous, while combining chicken cells with plant material, "allowing it to reproduce the taste and texture of chicken meat almost without involving animals in the process." It's not clear if they'll be vegan friendly, or if they're meant to vaguely compete with fully plant-based meats like the Beyond or Impossible Burger.

The press releases — shared verbatim across companies — includes some thoughts on the project's environmental sustainability as well:

Biomeat has exactly the same microelements as the original product, while excluding various additives that are used in traditional farming and animal husbandry, creating a cleaner final product. Cell-based meat products are also more ethical – the production process does not cause any harm to animals. Along with that, KFC remains committed to continuous improvement in animal welfare from the farm and through all aspects of our supply chain, including raising, handling, transportation and processing.

Also, according to a study by the American Environmental Science & Technology Journal, the technology of growing meat from cells has minimal negative impact on the environment, allowing energy consumption to be cut by more than half, greenhouse gas emissions to be reduced 25 fold and 100 times less land to be used than traditional farm-based meat production. ...
https://boingboing.net/2020/07/20/kfc-has-teamed-up-with-a-russi.html
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« Reply #270 on: July 22, 2020, 02:02:43 PM »
I think the chicken cells make it of limits for vegans. Any vegan around to comment?
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« Reply #271 on: July 22, 2020, 06:34:51 PM »
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kassy,
Would the FOOD thread be a better fit for this?  That’s where I used to put new/artificial food items, but I seem to recall getting pushback because it “wasn’t a consequence” or some such.
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« Reply #272 on: July 22, 2020, 10:02:48 PM »
Of the two this is the better fit.

The other is for consequences, this is more of a solution.

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« Reply #273 on: October 20, 2020, 04:45:38 PM »
July: Reporter so confident @nzlabour party won’t win enough votes to govern alone, he pledges to go vegan for a year if they do.
October: Reporter goes vegan.
Duncan Garner: I'm going vegan and it's a terrifying ordeal
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“I'm not doing it because I believe farmers are the devil.  I'm not doing it to save animals. And I do reserve the right to become a fully annoying member of the vegan society and become a judgemental tosser.

Now, for the record you have mostly been encouraging and kind, but when my son heard he said three words to me. The first two were 'what the' and the last one indicates I need to work on my parenting.
He just asked me to cook him a t-bone steak. I think I'm going to struggle to avoid cross-contamination through all of this.

But back to the nice people. Nadia Lim's giving me a sample of her 'My Food Bag' plant-based menu for a week, thank you.

My neighbour Louise woke me up from a nap to gift me a litre of Almond Milk, which I tried immediately with Weetbix. That was dinner.

They've offered to help me should I run out of ideas, so see you tonight Lou.

I'll miss cheese, meat, dairy products and I'll take medical advice to make sure I don't die in a ditch for veganism. …”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/duncan-garner-i-m-going-vegan-and-it-s-a-terrifying-ordeal.amp.html
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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #274 on: October 21, 2020, 06:18:45 AM »
I'm curious, do 'vegans' eat scallops and mussels? Squid? Insects?
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« Reply #275 on: October 21, 2020, 07:46:54 AM »
I'm curious, do 'vegans' eat scallops and mussels? Squid? Insects?

Nope. Never heard of anyone who did.

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As for the previous post: any change in dietary habits is hard and frightening but then you get used to it, and it becomes normal for you.

When I became a vegetarian 30 years ago, it was very hard at first. My diet went from almost totally baked, cooked, "predigested" (meatandpotatoes, bread, etc) to cca 50% raw (mostly fruits partly vegetables). It was both socially almost unheard of (and scorned at) here and difficult to do. I lost weight. 10 kgs. That is a lot. Now, on the same diet I am strong, have no health problems to talk of, do a lot of sports (basically every day) and almost never get tired. I sleep like a baby and enjoy life.

I think what most vegans do wrong nowadays that they still eat manufactured, cooked, steamed, whatever, artificial foods instead of eating fresh, raw, natural foods, like raw-pressed vegetable juices, raw nuts and fruits. You don't get healthy from these unnatural vegan foods, actually you will fell tired and weak. You need to aim for at least 30 but rather 50-60% raw

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Re: Becoming Vegan
« Reply #276 on: October 24, 2020, 03:10:53 AM »
Beyond Meat Rival Impossible Foods Is Developing Plant-Based Milk
The company has doubled its R&D spend and is researching a "crackable egg."
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Impossible Foods, the privately held chief rival to plant-based meat manufacturer Beyond Meat (NASDAQ:BYND), said on Tuesday it's working on developing plant-based milk for its animal-free product lineup. According to press conference statements quoted by Engadget, the company's Impossible Milk has culinary properties close to or identical with cow's milk, rather than simply being a standard nut or soy milk.

Among the milk-like characteristics Impossible Milk is said to duplicate, it is doesn't curdle in hot liquids such as coffee, tea, or cocoa; can be frothed for cappuccino-making and other purposes; and has a creamy texture similar to the genuine, animal-sourced substance. In a statement quoted by The Washington Post, CEO Pat Brown said the "plant-based milks out there are inadequate" and that the company's research is aiming "to make something that for a dairy milk lover is better than anything that comes from a cow.”

In a comment to The Food Institute, the National Milk Producers Federation senior vice president for communications, Alan Bjerga, said the move "could cause some concerns for people who are currently grinding up almonds, soy, or oats or whatever else they can mix with sugar water and artificial coloring so they can sell it for twice the price of real milk," rather than strongly threatening dairy producers.

Impossible Foods also issued a press release earlier this week declaring it is doubling the size of its research and development department, with the goal of helping "eliminate animal agriculture." According to Engadget, Impossible Foods is also working on the development of a "crackable egg" made out of plant materials, unlike the pourable vegan eggs currently made from flavored canola oil or similar ingredients.

Impossible is one of several companies currently jockeying for market share in the booming plant-based meat market. 
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« Reply #277 on: October 24, 2020, 07:53:03 AM »
Beyond meat and impossible foods create monsterfoods that are totally unnatural, made up of so many ingredients from so many countries and are heated, cooled, compressed, mixed, turned upside down, inside out, etc that I bet they are definitely not good for your body and if anyone counted their carbon footprint (palmoil grown in terrible monocultures and shipped from Malaysia, exotic seed cultivated in Africa, soyextract from Brazil, etc) I think it might be above that of meat.

If you want to go vegan for either health or environmental reasons, you need to concentrate on locally, organically grown fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains. Consume as much of them raw as you can. If you worry about protein, tofu has been around for centuries, it is good.

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« Reply #278 on: October 24, 2020, 01:00:20 PM »
And cook your own stuff. Lot´s of ready made food has too much salt, sugar and other additives.

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