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Re: Aviation
« Reply #250 on: August 16, 2019, 12:58:35 AM »
Battery-Powered Plane Crashes in Norway as Country Tries to Ditch Fossil Fuels
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/15/20806776/norway-electric-plane-battery-crash-fjord-jet-fuel-avinor

An all-electric battery-powered plane has crashed into a lake in Norway, in what is a setback for the country’s attempt to move away from fossil fuel-powered flight. Reuters reports that the Alpha Electro G2 plane is owned and operated by Avinor, Norway’s state-run airport operator, and was being flown by its chief executive, Dag Falk-Petersen, when it crashed. On the day of the incident, the CEO was in the process of giving flights to members of the Norwegian government, and junior government minister Aase Marthe Horrigmo was on board at the time. Both escaped from the crash unharmed.

... it’s currently unclear exactly what caused the crash. Forbes reports that the pilot said he lost all power from the engines as he was approaching the airport to land. He estimated that the plate was travelling at around 43mph when it hit the water.

The plane was an Alpha Electro G2 manufactured by Pipstrel, and it’s the first electric two-seater aircraft to have been approved for commercial production, according to Forbes. It has a range of around 81 miles, and a maximum flight time of an hour. Reuters reported that Norway first started testing the plane last year. ...

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #251 on: August 16, 2019, 01:41:52 PM »
Intact airplane — hardly a ‘crash.’  More like an ‘off-airport forced landing mishap.’  ;)
It happens.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #252 on: August 23, 2019, 08:28:30 PM »
‘Flight shaming’ apparently sways Prince William and Kate
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Prince William and Kate opt for budget flight after Harry and Meghan slammed over private jet. Prince William, his wife Catherine and their three children took a budget airline to travel on holiday to Scotland Thursday — just days after his brother Prince Harry and wife Meghan, vocal advocates for efforts to fight the effects of climate change, faced some wrath for their use of private jets. ...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/flight-shaming-apparently-sways-prince-william-and-kate-and-bernies-electric-school-buses-2019-08-23
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #253 on: August 24, 2019, 12:00:01 AM »
‘Flight shaming’ apparently sways Prince William and Kate
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Prince William and Kate opt for budget flight after Harry and Meghan slammed over private jet. Prince William, his wife Catherine and their three children took a budget airline to travel on holiday to Scotland Thursday — just days after his brother Prince Harry and wife Meghan, vocal advocates for efforts to fight the effects of climate change, faced some wrath for their use of private jets. ...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/flight-shaming-apparently-sways-prince-william-and-kate-and-bernies-electric-school-buses-2019-08-23
Ah, what a shame that the captains of Green Transportation can't be shamed into doing likewise.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #254 on: August 26, 2019, 01:34:56 PM »
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We For News (@WeForNews) 8/26/19, 7:05 AM
#BREAKING G7 to finance fire-fighting aircraft for Amazon: French presidency-AFP

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Interesting statement. So where do we find all of these planes?
https://twitter.com/wefornews/status/1165943327037878273

There is a shortage everywhere already.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #255 on: August 26, 2019, 01:43:20 PM »
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We For News (@WeForNews) 8/26/19, 7:05 AM
#BREAKING G7 to finance fire-fighting aircraft for Amazon: French presidency-AFP

Dave Toussaint (@engineco16) 8/26/19, 7:12 AM
Interesting statement. So where do we find all of these planes?
https://twitter.com/wefornews/status/1165943327037878273

There is a shortage everywhere already.
Perhaps a few Boing products that may never be certified for carrying passengers?
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #256 on: August 26, 2019, 09:48:45 PM »
Passengers could soon be flying on planes fuelled by waste gases from steelworks.

The plan involves using the gases from Tata's Port Talbot plant, which developers believe could be used for thousands of flights a year.

Tata, along with Neath Port Talbot council and American bioengineering firm LanzaTech are working on the plan.

Virgin Atlantic worked with LanzaTech last year to fly from Orlando to London powered by recycled carbon jet fuel.

Waste gases are an unavoidable part of the industrial production of steel and it is thought it could generate 30 million gallons of biofuel for the aviation industry every year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-49449566

Looks like a good idea.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #257 on: August 27, 2019, 01:13:57 AM »
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We For News (@WeForNews) 8/26/19, 7:05 AM
#BREAKING G7 to finance fire-fighting aircraft for Amazon: French presidency-AFP

Dave Toussaint (@engineco16) 8/26/19, 7:12 AM
Interesting statement. So where do we find all of these planes?
https://twitter.com/wefornews/status/1165943327037878273

There is a shortage everywhere already.
Perhaps a few Boing products that may never be certified for carrying passengers?
Terry

Could be a smashing success!

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #258 on: August 27, 2019, 01:20:08 AM »
The wife wondered why I suddenly burst out laughing. :)


Thanks
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #259 on: September 04, 2019, 07:03:57 PM »
A Future Without Long-Haul Vacations
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/travel-writer-envisions-future-without-vacations/597016/
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Every time I settle down to write a travel article lately, I feel like a canary in a coal mine, whistling denial. Perhaps, if my work achieves any kind of posterity, it will be in a museum of defunct pastimes from the Extinction Age. Amid the exhibits of hamburgers and combustion engines will be a gallery of press cuttings from the era of mass tourism, fossils for future, static generations to gawp at, wondering at the excess of their deluded forebears, who continued jetting around the planet even as that planet withered and burned before their eyes.

Using Drones To Fight Climate Change
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From more intense wildfires to prolonged droughts, climate change is impacting the ecology of the American West. That’s got researchers in our region looking at a new way to fight some of these impacts: drones.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #260 on: September 09, 2019, 06:13:12 PM »
Prince Harry wants to make tourism more sustainable — is he a hypocrite?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/royal-fascinator-prince-harry-air-travel-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-1.5272019
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Goodman said focusing on individual actions is just the place to start in efforts to develop fundamental structural changes that lead to carbon-neutral economies, and suggested that people like Harry should take a close look at their own actions, too.

"Rich countries and celebrity individuals need to get their own houses in order, namely because they owe a much greater debt, based on their historical carbon emissions and extravagant lifestyles, compared to others across the globe."

Whatever Harry does, it seems unlikely his private jet travel to the south of France and Ibiza this summer will quickly be forgotten. Author and biographer Penny Junor said it will come back to haunt him.

"However many commercial flights he takes now, there will always be that little paragraph saying that he was heavily criticized for taking four jets in 11 days."
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #261 on: September 11, 2019, 09:48:03 PM »
Heathrow Airport warns climate activists against flying drones
https://www.dw.com/en/heathrow-airport-warns-climate-activists-against-flying-drones/a-50370788
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London's Heathrow Airport on Tuesday said it is working with law enforcement to ensure drones are not deployed by climate protesters to disrupt air traffic.

"We have in place the dynamic risks assessment programs which are carried out by airfield and security experts and at no time will safety be compromised," according to a statement issued by airport authorities. "Alongside drone detection capabilities, we will mitigate the impact of this illegal action and operate in a way that is safe at all times."

Protesters plan to fly toy drones near the airport in a bid to halt flights and pressure the government to do more on fighting emissions from the aviation industry.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #262 on: September 13, 2019, 10:45:08 PM »
Aviation’s black box: Non-disclosure agreements, closed doors and rising CO2
https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/09/12/non-disclosure-agreements-closed-doors-rising-co2-uns-aviation-body/
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The International Civil Aviation Organisation (Icao), headquartered in downtown Montreal, has been charged with reducing the rising carbon emissions from international flight – an enormous commercial, technical and public relations challenge for the industry.

Between 2013 and 2018, aviation sector emissions grew from 710 to 905 million tonnes of CO2, according to the latest estimates by the International Air Transport Association (Iata). Flying now generates just under 3% of global emissions, roughly the same as Germany. Icao’s own forecast anticipates emissions to increase by up to 300% by 2050 under business as usual.

Climate advocates say oversight is critical in a matter of such high public interest. But through interviews with delegates and observers, Climate Home News has found scrutiny is restricted and key information protected by non-disclosure agreements.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #263 on: September 13, 2019, 11:29:56 PM »
Is the EU about  to tax the aviation and the ferries? I am a bit sceptical that a meaningful tax is to be implemented any time  soon

https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/13/drastic-steps-needed-to-stop-climate-change-germanys-scholz-says

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #264 on: September 18, 2019, 07:12:02 PM »
Climate change: Germany's conservatives mull doubling air travel tax
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49719276?intlink_from_url=&link_location=live-reporting-story
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Germany's ruling conservatives have proposed doubling taxes on domestic flights, as part of a wider package to cut CO2 emissions.

The decision was taken by the leadership of the Christian Democrats (CDU), who form a coalition with the Christian Social Union (CSU) and the Social Democrats (SPD).

Tax of €7.38 (£6.5; $8.1) per ticket is currently levied on domestic flights.

Connecting flights that are part of long-haul journey will be exempt.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #265 on: September 21, 2019, 12:43:54 AM »
OPINION: INSTEAD OF FLIGHT SHAMING, LET’S BE THOUGHTFUL AND SELECTIVE ABOUT ALL TRAVEL
https://ensia.com/voices/flight-shaming-flying-travel-carbon-co2-emissions-flyless-aviation-cars-trains/
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In early June 2019, the three of us were having a conversation at the University of British Columbia when Lior expressed some dissatisfaction about an activity at his kids’ school that suggested airplane travel is bad for the climate. In fact, he said, per passenger mile, air travel carbon emissions are of the same order of magnitude as other modes of transportation, so it doesn’t matter covering climate nowmuch whether you drive or fly. However, he further explained, since larger planes are more carbon-efficient and since takeoff and landing are particularly costly, the carbon efficiency of air travel significantly depends on distance. In other words, short-haul flights tend to be inefficient relative to driving, while transcontinental flights are very efficient.

The other two of us looked at each other, bewildered. We had both calculated our carbon budgets and seen that a single transatlantic flight would blow our annual carbon budget. Many prominent climate scientists were touting #flyingless. But was Lior right? Had we been drinking flight-shaming Kool-Aid?

That evening, we looked up the numbers on Wikipedia and found, to our surprise, that Lior seemed right! At least to some extent. We tweeted about it to let the experts weigh in.

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #266 on: September 21, 2019, 11:03:51 AM »
The key point about air travel is just how easy it makes emitting lots of CO2.  How many people are going to hop in a car and drive from Vancouver to Toronto for a conference or holiday?  Google Maps puts that at 40 hours of driving, then another 40 hours to get back home again.  The per capita per km emissions flying and driving may be similar but that's beside the point when almost no one is going to consider driving a journey that is easy in a plane.

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #267 on: September 21, 2019, 11:36:29 AM »
And of course CO2 is not the only factor to be taken into account when comparing the climate effect of different modes of transportation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_aviation#Total_climate_effects

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #268 on: September 23, 2019, 11:53:12 AM »
The venerable travel agency Thomas Cooks Tours went under this morning leaving ~300K tourists stranded around the world.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thomas-cook-airlines-british-tour-operator-stops-trading-cancels-bookings-no-funding-2019-09-22/


British tourists are covered by an insurance plan assuring that they will be returned to their homes, but these are only about 1/2 of the total number.


Brexit uncertainty is being blamed, heat waves that have kept tourists home have been blamed, no one has mentioned Piss Poor Management yet.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #269 on: September 23, 2019, 09:25:47 PM »
The venerable travel agency Thomas Cooks Tours went under this morning leaving ~300K tourists stranded around the world.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thomas-cook-airlines-british-tour-operator-stops-trading-cancels-bookings-no-funding-2019-09-22/


British tourists are covered by an insurance plan assuring that they will be returned to their homes, but these are only about 1/2 of the total number.


Brexit uncertainty is being blamed, heat waves that have kept tourists home have been blamed, no one has mentioned Piss Poor Management yet.
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Well, these days you also have many airplane companies going bankrupt. I guess it's only the beginning. 2 in France, maybe one in Germany...

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« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2019, 09:48:04 PM »
It's a good thing that Boeing has all of those juicy MIC contracts to keep them afloat. 8)
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #271 on: September 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM »
Europe’s Airports Step Up To Climate Change Challenge
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2019/09/23/europes-airports-step-up-to-climate-change-challenge/#42ba82317d52
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This past June, ACI EUROPE announced a resolution for its 500 members to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050, for the carbon emissions under their control. That commitment has been undersigned by 203 airports to date run by more than 47 airport operators across 42 European countries, representing 64.3% of European air passenger traffic. Nine airports have signed the commitment over the past 3 months: Aberdeen, Glasgow, Liege, Luxembourg, Malta, Salzburg, Southampton, Turin and Toulouse-Blagnac. More are expected to join the pledge in the coming months.

There are already three net zero airports in Europe: Luleå, Ronneby and Visby - operated by the Swedish airport operator, Swedavia. Swedavia aims to achieve zero emissions for all its airports by 2020, including the hub at Stockholm-Arlanda.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #272 on: September 25, 2019, 06:29:50 PM »
  1% of English residents take one-fifth of overseas flights, survey shows

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows

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The figures, published in a Department for Transport survey, also reveal that the 10% most frequent flyers in England took more than half of all international flights in 2018. However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year.

Environmental activists said the new figures showed the UK could cut air traffic and emissions without affecting ordinary holidaymakers.

Leo Murray, director of innovation at 10:10 Climate Action
What we need to do is target a minority of problem flyers and stop them from taking so many flights,” he added.

The findings are based on responses from more than 15,000 English residents who participated in the 2018 National Transport Survey and were revealed to the Guardian following a Freedom of Information request.

There is currently no country in which travellers pay an escalating levy on each flight they take in a year.

Chris Stark, the CCC’s chief executive
He argued that the UK should take a leading role in cutting emissions from the sector, rather than wait for more comprehensive international agreements to be struck.

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« Reply #273 on: September 25, 2019, 07:55:49 PM »
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… However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year.
This suggests 52% of the residents of England did fly abroad during a 12-month period.  Frankly, I don't believe it; most people don't hardly every fly.  Maybe 52% of those who flew even once during the year traveled abroad.  The end of my speculations.

From the internet:
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“An estimated 70 per cent of all flights in 2013 were taken by just 15 per cent of the [English] population, with 57 per cent of the [English] population taking no flights abroad”

In March 2014 the survey asked a random selection of 1,000 adults in Great Britain how many trips by plane they’d taken in the last 12 months. 52% hadn’t flown at all.

We asked the Department for Transport, which designed the survey, about this claim. It said a more precise estimate is that the 15% of adults in Great Britain who made 3 or more flights (our frequent fliers) made 71% of flights from March 2013 to March 2014.

The same survey asked about what types of flights people had taken. 7% had flown domestically, …
Now, with some more data: boy, more people fly then I expected.  (I all but stopped 30 years ago - about 6 within-the-US flights [all but one round-trips] since then, none in 5 years.  I guess I presumed others stopped too.  :'()  And, most English flyers leave England.  (Duh, I think: England is, after all, the size of Mississippi.)
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #274 on: September 25, 2019, 08:07:43 PM »
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boy, more people fly then I expected.

That seems to be the case. Do you have things like Easyjet or RyanAir in the U.S.? (you expect us to know your culture ;))

The Guardian article was about the U.K. population I think.
English <> U.K.
U.K. = also Scotland and Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands etc.


Searching for a scientific link I found this:

  CO2 emissions from commercial aviation, 2018
Authors: Brandon Graver, Ph.D., Kevin Zhang, Dan Rutherford, Ph.D.
September 2019. Keywords: aviation; aircraft; fuel efficiency; carbon dioxide


https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT_CO2-commercl-aviation-2018_20190918.pdf
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #275 on: October 15, 2019, 06:15:24 PM »
Ban air miles to combat climate crisis, recommends UK research
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Air miles programs should be banned and a levy on frequent flyers implemented in order to reduce carbon emissions from aviation, according to new research.
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"Flying is a uniquely high-impact activity and is the quickest and cheapest way for a consumer to increase their carbon footprint," the report says.

Air miles programs encourage people to take extra flights to keep up their "privileged traveler status" and should be banned, according to the report.

So-called "mileage runs" are a common way for travelers to top up their points in order to maintain access to perks such as priority boarding.
An air miles levy would be based on the number of miles flown by each passenger, penalizing those who fly the most while leaving the majority of people unaffected.

Research shows that 15% of the UK population take 70% of flights, and these travelers -- who tend to be wealthier and less price-sensitive -- would shoulder most of the burden. By way of comparison, 50% of Britons don't fly at all in any one year.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/air-miles-ban-report-scli-intl/index.html
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #276 on: October 30, 2019, 08:03:42 PM »
I posted about a new development in light aircraft automation over in the “Robots and AI” thread:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1392.msg234899.html#msg234899
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #277 on: October 31, 2019, 01:52:17 PM »
I posted about a new development in light aircraft automation over in the “Robots and AI” thread:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1392.msg234899.html#msg234899

Landing (and emergency diversions) are the most difficult parts of a flight regime.  Automating these tasks, and introducing the technology as a rarely-used safety enhancement, makes it a desirable feature that is likely to be more widely adopted in small aircraft.

Garmin mentions their Autoland software can enter a holding pattern, if needed to reduce speed.  Add takeoff and flight commands — and the ability for Air Traffic Control to interact with the plane — and fully autonomous flights are a given.  ATC today assigns flight routes and altitudes for aircraft on instrument flight plans, and establishes published airport approach and departure patterns.  Now envision a computer-controlled ATC system, which is certainly in our future....
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