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« Reply #300 on: March 10, 2020, 09:13:50 PM »
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Any other rules requiring minimum availability of planes, trains or even buses needs to be suspended while people are being asked to shelter in place.
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« Reply #301 on: March 10, 2020, 11:11:32 PM »
It seems they have, now it has been brought to their attention.
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« Reply #302 on: March 12, 2020, 01:21:19 PM »
FAA and European Commission drop ghost flight rules during the coronavirus outbreak
Airlines will stop coronavirus ‘ghost flights’—now we need to rethink the future of flying

Even without ghost flights—empty planes that help an airline hold onto flight slots—the coronavirus highlights the environmental impact of the aviation industry.
 
With the demand for flights drastically down amid the coronavirus outbreak, the airline industry is reeling. Avoiding air travel is top of mind for most of the public, and that means revenue losses—of up to $113 billion, according to the International Air Transport Association, if COVID-19 spreads broadly—but it also means that we’re in a crucial moment to reassess the industry’s impact on the environment.


https://www.fastcompany.com/90476154/airlines-will-stop-coronavirus-ghost-flights-now-we-need-to-rethink-the-future-of-flying
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« Reply #303 on: March 12, 2020, 01:26:15 PM »
And the US restricting the entry of EU citizens will mean even less flights i guess...
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« Reply #304 on: March 12, 2020, 02:08:41 PM »
Less long haul too. It will all have an impact.
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« Reply #305 on: March 17, 2020, 11:50:35 PM »
Global airlines face bankruptcy by May if governments don’t intervene, warns aviation consultant
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Airlines are flying into one of the bloodiest weeks for the industry, as they battle to survive travel restrictions and country lockdowns in the face of the coronavirus crisis

The escalating coronavirus crisis could bankrupt most of the world’s airlines by the end of May unless they get help from governments and the industry, an aviation consultant has warned.

“Demand is drying up in ways that are completely unprecedented,” Sydney-based consulting firm CAPA Centre for Aviation said in a report on Monday.

“Coordinated government and industry action is needed — now — if catastrophe is to be avoided, CAPA warned. “Otherwise, “emerging from the crisis will be like entering a brutal battlefield, littered with casualties.”

The grim prognosis comes in one of the bloodiest weeks for airlines, which are fast running out of cash as hundreds of thousands of fleets are grounded as they battle to survive travel restrictions and country lockdowns that have engulfed the industry in crisis.

On Monday, British Airways owner IAG, easyJet and Ryanair withdrew earnings guidance as they announced mass groundings of aircraft and thousands of layoffs to cope with the escalating crisis of COVID-19.

EasyJet EZJ, -6.14% said it would continue to operate rescue flights for short periods “where we can” to repatriate customers, and warned that these actions “will continue on a rolling basis for the foreseeable future and could result in the grounding of the majority of the easyJet fleet.”

Nicholas Farhi, transportation expert at global consulting firm OC&C Strategy Consultants, said most countries are anticipating about 12 weeks of travel restrictions, which we are just at the start of in Europe and the US.

“In Europe, we are really only in week 1 or 2, and planned flights (as of March 13th) were already expected to be 15-30% down this week vs prior year,” Farhi said, adding, “Some kind of government support is unavoidable.”


“Most of all, amid these announcements, in some cases it will be important not to confuse zero equity with bankruptcy,” Manduca said.

In the U.S., United Airlines UAL, -13.53% announced an approximate 50% cut in capacity for April and May. In a message to employees late on Sunday night, United Chief Executive Oscar Munoz and President Scott Kirby said “Even with those cuts, we’re expecting load factors to drop into the 20-30% range — and that is if things don’t get worse,” the executives said.

Scandinavian airline SAS SAS, +3.36% said it would halt most of its operation and temporarily lay off up to 10,000 employees, or 90% of its workforce, and apply for government help to survive the fallout from the coronavirus outbreak. Sweden has announced a $31 billion crisis package to help struggling businesses. ...
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/global-airlines-face-bankruptcy-by-may-if-governments-dont-intervene-warns-aviation-consultant-2020-03-16
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« Reply #306 on: March 22, 2020, 01:09:05 AM »
COVID-19 — airline bailout must also help our kids avoid the next climate crisis
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Aviation has shown remarkable resilience in the face of past crises. This one is vastly different in scope and depth. But once airlines recover from this one, ensuring they’re on a path to reduce emissions would be a big step in the battle against climate change. Plus, taxpayers, who are facing their own economic hardships, have the right to expect responsible behavior in exchange for bailouts. They shouldn’t have to fund private corporations only to see them create more costs for the public, in the form of climate change impacts.

That’s why any big package of assistance to the airline industry should require that in order to access funds, U.S. airlines must agree to abide by the targets they’ve already identified. They must reduce greenhouse gas emissions attributable to domestic flights by 50 percent by 2050 from 2005 levels, and meet an enforceable downward emissions trajectory with interim targets. To meet their commitments, airlines can use a combination of sustainable alternative fuels (SAF) and offsets, drawing on their own “four pillar” strategy. ...
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/488773-covid-19-airline-bailout-must-also-help-our-kids-avoid-the-next
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« Reply #307 on: March 22, 2020, 01:18:42 AM »
Lawmakers call protecting jobs the priority in any bailout for Boeing and aviation industry | The Seattle Times
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Boeing, reading the tea leaves and no doubt also anxious to preserve cash, said Friday afternoon that it will suspend dividends and share buybacks until further notice, and will not pay CEO Dave Calhoun and Board Chairman Larry Kellner for the rest of this year.
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Even the local Machinists union recognizes Boeing’s dilemma about trying to continue work while at the same time facing the growing threat from the virus that as of Thursday had infected 18 of its local workers.

In a note to union members Friday, Jon Holden, president of the International Association of Machinists (IAM) District 751, said he has received calls from members frustrated the union has not called for Boeing to shut down operations in Puget Sound.

“This union membership includes 32,000 families that depend on their paychecks to survive,” Holden told his members. “If we demand that operations be shut down, we have no way of knowing how long a shutdown will last and how much pay members will receive.”

This dilemma is at the heart of the debate over the economic-relief package now being negotiated in Congress.

Larsen said House Democrats will insist upon two basic principles: “It has to protect the workers. And taxpayers have to get their money back.”

He said Congress has learned from the mistakes of the relief package airlines got after the 9/11 attacks, when many of the carriers later went into bankruptcy anyway, cutting wages, handing pension liabilities to the government and outsourcing work of airplane repair and catering.

“We don’t want that to happen again,” Larsen said. He said the House bill will require that companies that take the assistance “continue to pay their workers and provide benefits and continue their obligations to people on pensions.”

And he said Democrats will also seek to insert some protection for workers in the event of a subsequent bankruptcy. ...
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/lawmakers-call-protecting-jobs-the-priority-in-any-bailout-for-boeing-and-aviation-industry/
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #308 on: March 22, 2020, 04:05:37 PM »
Yup go after Canadair like there is no tomorrow and then take a hand out. Good work boys and girls!!!

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #309 on: March 24, 2020, 03:40:21 PM »
Boeing suspends Washington production, GE Aviation lays off thousands
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Two major U.S. aviation companies on Monday announced drastic measures as the coronavirus pandemic continues to sweep the globe and hammer economic markets.

Boeing said it was suspending airplane production in the Seattle area for 14 days beginning on March 25.

The shutdown will take place at “sites across the Puget Sound area,” where roughly 70,000 employees work to build such aircraft as the Air Force’s KC-46 aerial refueling tanker and Navy’s P-8 Poseidon submarine hunters, according to a company statement.

The closures will include “additional deep cleaning activities at impacted sites,” as more than a dozen employees had confirmed coronavirus cases, Reuters reported Monday.

General Electric, meanwhile, will lay off about 2,600 employees -- or about 10 percent of the workforce -- from its aviation arm, which makes engines for military aircraft.

In addition, about half of its U.S. maintenance, repair and overhaul employees will be furloughed for three months, GE Chairman and CEO Larry Culp said in a statement Monday.

“The rapid contraction of air travel has resulted in a significant reduction in demand as commercial airlines suspend routes and ground large percentages of their fleets,” Culp said. “As a result, GE Aviation is announcing several steps that, while painful, preserve our ability to adapt as the environment continues to evolve.” ...
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/489101-boeing-suspends-washington-production-ge-aviation-lays-off-thousands
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #310 on: March 24, 2020, 08:06:50 PM »
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Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) 3/24/20, 2:17 PM
Yesterday, we tracked 95,227 flights, the lowest number of flights in a day since 25 December 2016. It's also the first time since then that we've tracked fewer than 100,000 flights in a day.

Daily tracking statistics: flightradar24.com/data/statistics 
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1242515928237121536
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #311 on: March 25, 2020, 08:57:48 PM »
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With so many canceled flights in Europe, the U.S., and Australia, there are fewer weather observations going into computer models. This could result in reduced forecast accuracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/03/25/by-grounding-flights-coronavirus-could-make-your-weather-forecast-less-accurate/
https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/1242889318630383617
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« Reply #312 on: April 04, 2020, 04:34:04 PM »
United Airlines cuts 80% of capacity, expects bigger reduction in May
Published: April 3, 2020 at 6:31 p.m. ET
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United Airlines Holdings Inc. … announced huge capacity cuts and expects more to come. …  In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, United said it has cut about 80% of its capacity in April with even larger cuts expected in May. In the meantime, United said it will evaluate and cancel flights on a rolling 90-day basis until demand recovers.

The airline said it is losing more than $100 million a day in revenue and that it expects fourth-quarter revenue to be down at least 30% from the year-ago period. Crain's Chicago Business reported late Friday that United has also filed for a federal grant in order to keep paying employees. United shares are down 74% for the year, while the S&P 500 index is down 23%.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/united-airlines-cuts-80-of-capacity-expects-bigger-reduction-in-may-2020-04-03


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London Heathrow to close runway as it scales back operations due to coronavirus pandemic
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London Heathrow will close one of its runways from next week as the coronavirus pandemic continues to take its toll on the aviation industry.  Under a new scaled-back operation the airport will only use one of its two runways, changing over on a weekly basis.

The airport said a runway would be shut down from next Monday to “increase resilience and safety for staff, passengers and cargo”.

"Under this new operation, we will alternate which runway we use on a weekly basis and publish a new alternation schedule that will continue to provide local communities with respite periods," he said.

"Although we are seeing significantly fewer flights at the moment, Heathrow will remain open so that we can continue to play a crucial role in helping to secure vital medical goods and food for the nation during this unprecedented epidemic."
 ...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/london-heathrow-to-close-runway-as-it-scales-back-operations-due-to-coronavirus-pandemic/ar-BB125U3D
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #313 on: April 12, 2020, 04:48:49 PM »
Spirit AeroSystems halts production for Boeing jets indefinitely
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Spirit AeroSystems Holdings Inc (SPR.N), Boeing’s top supplier, said on Wednesday it had stopped production for the planemaker for an indefinite period and would furlough workers supporting Boeing programs in Kansas and Oklahoma.

Spirit’s announcement comes days after Boeing suspended production of its 787 Dreamliner airplane, citing the impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

Boeing has already suspended production of its smaller 737 MAX airplanes, which await government approval to fly again following two deadly crashes.

Spirit previously announced plans to suspend production for Boeing for two weeks ending April 8.
The company said its factories in the United States will continue producing parts for Boeing rival Airbus SE (AIR.PA), its second biggest customer, which accounted for 16% of its sales last year, while also carrying on work for Spirit’s defense contracts. ... 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spirit-aerosystm-idUSKBN21Q1PT

—- Boeing’s COVID-19 response (?)
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Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) 4/10/20, 1:25 PM
Back on March 27, @Boeing offered the use of its Dreamlifter aircraft to transport critical healthcare supplies. It reiterated that again today.
None of its four aircraft have done anything of the sort yet.

https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/1248663429700816897
[Image at link lists recent flights.]

JR: Oh wow, I didn't know that Trump actually promoted this nonsense in a press conference. It's not the biggest aircraft in the world, nor can it "take everything." Hell, it can't carry anything that isn't airplane parts!
youtu.be/ekQqsL-gB2k h/t @SouthpawCapture

Jon Ostrower (@jonostrower) 4/10/20, 1:38 PM

“Offered” is different from accepted and deployed. The oversized Dreamlifter upper deck is effectively useless for cargo. There are only a few airports on Earth with the equipment to open the tail. This offer looks mighty cynical given the other aircraft they have available.
JO: The Dreamlifter is not a drop-in freighter for regular operations. It is highly specialized. This is the Hyster ground equipment required to open the tail.   
[Photo at the link.]
< Especially when you look at all the cargo flights Airbus has completed to deliver medical supplies with their aircraft.@AirbusInTheUS

Eric (@SouthpawCapture) 4/10/20, 1:28 PM
I believe I watched somewhere that those 74's may need to have their cargo holds converted to hold such supplies.
Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) 4/10/20, 1:28 PM
yea, it's a very empty promise Boeing is making. The Dreamlifters just aren't capable of this mission
E: well they need to add rollers onto the floor or something.
JR:  it's also not pressurized, AFAIK, which makes carrying most medical supplies a no go

Wikipedia:  Cargo is placed in the aircraft by the world's longest cargo loader.  It is an extensively modified Boeing 747-400 that is used exclusively for transporting Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft components to Boeing's assembly plants from suppliers around the world.
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« Reply #314 on: April 12, 2020, 05:56:06 PM »
Spirit may have to halt Airbus work too.  Both Airbus and Rolls Royce aerospace, have been lobbying the UK government to support Virgin Atlantic.  Mainly because they are at risk and also have large orders.

Aerospace is in for a tough few years.
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« Reply #315 on: April 25, 2020, 08:08:44 PM »
Boeing terminates joint venture agreement with Brazil's Embraer
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Brazilian aircraft manufacturer Embraer said Saturday that Boeing “wrongfully terminated” a deal for a $4.2 billion tie-up, an ugly turn that comes as both companies face a dismal market for commercial jets amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Boeing earlier on Saturday said it ended talks that would have given the Chicago-based aerospace giant an 80% stake in Embraer’s commercial jet unit. Boeing said Embraer did not satisfy conditions under the agreement, which expired late Friday but the Chicago-based company declined to go into specifics.

“It is deeply disappointing. But we have reached a point where continued negotiation within the framework of the [merger transaction agreement] is not going to resolve the outstanding issues,” said Marc Allen, president of the Embraer Partnership and Group Operations, in a Boeing news release earlier Saturday.

But Embraer said the deal was “wrongfully terminated” and vowed to “pursue all remedies against Boeing for the damages incurred.”

Boeing “manufactured false claims as a pretext to seek to avoid its commitments to close the transaction and pay Embraer the US$4.2 billion purchase price,′ Embraer said. “We believe Boeing has engaged in a systematic pattern of delay and repeated violations of the MTA, because of its unwillingness to complete the transaction in light of its own financial condition and 737 MAX and other business and reputational problems.” …
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/25/boeing-terminates-joint-venture-agreement-with-brazils-embraer.html

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Boeing pulls out of $4.2 billion deal for Embraer's commercial jet unit
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In July 2018, Boeing agreed to buy 80% of Embraer’s commercial jet unit to challenge Airbus directly in the market for midsize planes of up to 150 seats.

At the time Embraer defended the sale aggressively, saying it was crucial for the very existence of the company into the future.

“Given the current economic reality of the global aviation market, it can be seen that the operation with Boeing is not just beneficial to Embraer, it is fundamental to the survival of the company,” lawyers for Embraer said last year in response to a legal challenge.

Embraer had also gone to great lengths to separate its commercial jet business to have it ready for Boeing’s takeover. At the beginning of the year, it paid the expenses for all its employees to take two weeks of paid leave in order to handle the carve-out.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embraer-m-a-boeing-idUSKCN2270KN

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Coronavirus to Further Delay Boeing 737 MAX Return Date
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The Federal Aviation Administration in March said Boeing needs to modify or move wire bundles in the plane due to a short circuit risk, and earlier this month reports surfaced saying that COVID-19 pandemic-related travel restrictions and work-from-home could delay final certification testing.

The FAA still hasn't signed off on details of Boeing's 737 MAX software fixes, The Wall Street Journal reports. A combination of stay-at-home orders covering employees and travel restrictions that have made it hard to conduct required flight tests involving foreign pilots have pushed the MAX's return to August or later, says the WSJ report. …
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/24/coronavirus-to-further-delay-boeing-737-max-return.aspx
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« Reply #316 on: April 27, 2020, 06:20:41 PM »
And the European leader:

Airbus chief executive warns plane maker is ‘bleeding cash’ and says ‘survival at stake’
Published: Apr. 27, 2020, 5:29 a.m. EDT
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Guillaume Faury warned in a letter to workers, first reported by Bloomberg, that a recent plan to cut production rates by one-third didn’t reflect the worst-case scenario, and would be kept under review.

“We’re bleeding cash at an unprecedented speed, which may threaten the very existence of our company,” Faury wrote in the letter to staff sent late on Friday. “We must now act urgently to reduce our cash-out, restore our financial balance and, ultimately, to regain control of our destiny,” he added.
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Faury also told the company’s 135,000 employees to brace for potentially deeper job cuts.

Last week, Airbus said it was starting to implement government-assisted furlough schemes, beginning with 3,000 workers in France, “but we may now need to plan for more far-reaching measures,” Faury said in the letter that was also seen by Reuters.
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The plane maker said on April 3 that it will slash aircraft production of its popular A320 single-aisle jet by a third from 60 to 40 as it tries to protect the company’s balance sheet. It will also cut production of its A330 planes to two and A350s to six.

“In just a couple of weeks we have lost roughly one-third of our business. And, frankly, that’s not even the worst case scenario we could face,” Faury said. He added that Airbus has already secured credit lines to allow the company “time to adapt and resize.”

“Unfortunately, the aviation industry will emerge into this new world very much weaker and more vulnerable than we went into it,” Faury wrote. ...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/airbus-chief-executive-warns-plane-maker-is-bleeding-cash-and-says-survival-at-stake-2020-04-27
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« Reply #317 on: April 28, 2020, 08:38:08 PM »
British Airways to cut up to 12,000 jobs as passenger demand will take ‘several years’ to recover
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BA parent International Consolidated Airlines Group IAG said it had launched a restructuring and redundancy program due to the impact of the pandemic and the expectation that the “recovery of passenger demand to 2019 levels will take several years.”

In a letter to staff Alex Cruz, chairman and chief executive of British Airways wrote: “In the last few weeks, the outlook for the aviation industry has worsened further and we must take action now.”

The airline suspended 22,626 employees earlier this month, making use of the U.K. government scheme offering to pay up to 80% of the wages of staff unable to work due to the virus.

But Cruz wrote on Tuesday: “There is no Government bailout standing by for BA and we cannot expect the taxpayer to offset salaries indefinitely. Any money we borrow now will only be short-term and will not address the longer-term challenges we will face.”

IAG said on Tuesday that up to 12,000 workers could now permanently lose their jobs, subject to consultations with trade unions.


The biggest U.S. airlines reached a deal with the federal government earlier this month for financial aid to prevent layoffs in the industry. The government’s $2.2 trillion economic relief package included $25 billion to allow airlines to keep paying salaries in the coming months. United Airlines UAL, Delta Air Lines DAL, American Airlines AAL, and Southwest Airlines LUV, were among those who agreed to receive aid.

Global airline losses from the pandemic climbed to an estimated $314 billion earlier this month, according to trade body the International Air Transport Association.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/british-airways-to-cut-up-to-12000-jobs-as-passenger-demand-will-take-several-years-to-recover-2020-04-28

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Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) 4/27/20, 12:02 PM
The CARES Act/DOT is forcing airlines to operate some extremely weird and rare triangle routes. Here's what I could find in the @SpiritAirlines and @FlyFrontier schedules. I'm sure there are more that I missed.
https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/1254802999098171392
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- airlines have to keep some service to most/all cities and this is easier and cheaper than having nonstop service to these small cities
<  This is also due to the fact the company is trying to not have layovers for their crews at the moment to reduce the risk of illness from a hotel, transportation to and from the layover, somewhere to eat and so forth.
JR:  Indeed. But if not for the CARES Act requirements many of these cities wouldn't have any service at all right now. This, to me, is an effort to serve the cities it must for as little cost as possible.

—- Masks:
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Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) 4/27/20, 5:53 PM
"In early May, @AmericanAir will start the process of distributing...face masks to customers. This offering will expand to all flights as supplies and...conditions allow."
"Masks will be required for flight attendants during every mainline and regional flight beginning May 1."
https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status/1254891349117210629

- "@JetBlue today announced that starting May 4 all customers will be required to wear a face covering during travel. The policy comes after the airline began requiring all crewmembers to wear face coverings while working."
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« Reply #318 on: April 28, 2020, 08:44:24 PM »
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JAL releases seat map for social distancing on domestic flights, which will apply from April 29-June 30. Black seats will be unselectable during online booking. 
https://twitter.com/avweekscho/status/1255077595462266881
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« Reply #319 on: April 28, 2020, 09:15:52 PM »
When these airline companies come back to business in Oct-Nov, this should be accompanied by a stiff fossil fuel tax in order to recover some of the expenditures compensating salaries over the summer.

At the same time, heavy subsidies to introduce non-fossil biofuels should be mandatory. Foreseeing a global reduction in CO2 emissions in the order of 5-7 percent is a golden opportunity to strive for the same ambitious target next year and the following nine years.

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« Reply #320 on: April 29, 2020, 01:21:53 PM »
When these airline companies come back to business
This seems to be more if than when.

At the moment governments are bailing out airlines. I wonder if the tap is open indefinitely. I also wonder if or when the market will re-open and how it looks after that happens

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/27/norwegian-air-says-most-of-fleet-will-stay-grounded-until-2021-due-to-coronavirus

With airlines in trouble, there will be no demand for planes either.

"Airbus says it's survival is at stake European planemaker Airbus (AIR.PA) gave its starkest assessment yet of damage from the coronavirus crisis, telling the company’s 135,000 employees to brace for potentially deeper job cuts and warning its survival is at stake without immediate action."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-airbus/airbus-survival-at-stake-without-immediate-action-ceo-memo-idUSKCN2280S3

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Re: Aviation
« Reply #321 on: April 29, 2020, 03:44:04 PM »
This seems to be more if than when.

At the moment governments are bailing out airlines. I wonder if the tap is open indefinitely.

I am pretty sure that most nations consider their domestic airlines a strategic asset for the military.  I would argue that they will be maintained in some form indefinitely.

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« Reply #322 on: May 03, 2020, 04:25:52 PM »
"I don't know that three, four years from now people will fly as many passenger miles as they did last year.  You've got too many planes."

Warren Buffett says Berkshire sold all its airline stocks because of the coronavirus
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Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and billionaire value investor Warren Buffett said that the conglomerate has sold the entirety of its equity position in the U.S. airline industry. The prior stake, worth north of $4 billion dollars in December, included positions in United, American, Southwest and Delta Airlines.

"The world has changed for the airlines. And I don't know how it's changed and I hope it corrects itself in a reasonably prompt way," he said during Berkshire's annual shareholder meeting Saturday, which was virtual this year. "I don't know if Americans have now changed their habits or will change their habits because of the extended period."

But "I think there are certain industries, and unfortunately, I think that the airline industry, among others, that are really hurt by a forced shutdown by events that are far beyond our control," he added.

Demand for air travel has plunged since March as the virus and precautions like shelter-in-place orders keep potential passengers home. Asked by CNBC's Becky Quick to clarify if Berkshire had sold all of its airline holdings, Buffett answered "yes."
...

Airline executives have called the pandemic the industry's worst-ever crisis and expect the impact to take several years to recover from. Last month, American, United, Southwest and Delta reported their first losses in years. U.S. travel demand is down 95% on the year.
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« Reply #323 on: May 12, 2020, 10:58:39 AM »
Air Travel Is Going to Be Very Bad, for a Very Long Time
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« Reply #324 on: May 12, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
Coronavirus pandemic could force a major U.S. airline out of business, says Boeing CEO
"Something will happen when September comes around. Traffic levels will not be back to 100 percent. They won't even be back to 25 percent. So there will definitely be adjustments that have to be made on the part of the airlines."
May 12, 2020
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« Reply #325 on: May 12, 2020, 07:29:09 PM »
University of California-San Francisco cardiologist Dr. Ethan Weisswas was so surprised by what he saw when he boarded a United Airlines flight from New York to San Francisco on Saturday, May 9 that he decided to take a photo. Nearly every seat was filled.

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This is the last time I’ll be flying again for a very long time
https://twitter.com/ethanjweiss/status/1259166043156684800
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- Also I guess a lot has changed in 10 days
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Ethan Weiss (@ethanjweiss) 5/9/20, 6:44 PM
We are about to land & I just wanted to say a few things.
1) people on this plane are scared/ shocked.
2) I have no idea why most of them are traveling.
3) I am with a group of 25 nurses and doctors who have been working in NYC hospitals for the past 2-4 weeks. We are coming home
4) United flew us here for free. They got a lot of great PR for taking great care of us on the way out including from me. Even from me…

5) they could have avoided this by just communicating better. They literally just sent an email 10 days ago telling all of us the middle seats would be empty
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« Reply #326 on: May 20, 2020, 12:04:08 AM »
With passenger traffic down by 95%, airlines are parking their unused aircraft on desert airstrips.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/05/18/coronavirus-stricken-airlines-park-aircraft-arizona-southwest/5213346002/

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Grounded in Arizona: Flights arrive but don't leave as ailing airlines park fleets
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A week ago Friday, 10 Delta Airlines jetliners flew into a remote desert airstrip between Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. Not one flew out.

So far this past week, planes owned by Avianca Ecuador, Air Canada and its regional carrier Jazz Aviation, and a contract carrier from Bangor, Maine, have arrived at Pinal Air Park near Marana.

They carried no passengers and only a skeleton crew, usually just a pilot and a first officer, and those planes, too, never left, reports The Arizona Republic, which is part of the USA TODAY Network.

In the last 10 days more than 50 jetliners have filed final flight plans to the converted World War II training base.

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The planes will sit in storage at the airstrips as airlines deal with the economic shocks of the COVID-19 crisis. Since Feb. 20, airline passenger traffic is down an estimated 95%, and industry stocks have lost two-thirds of their value.

Rather than flying empty planes, most airlines are parking significant portions of their fleets, which even for a short term involves an intricate maintenance schedule to make sure the planes are airworthy if and when they are needed again.

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Most airlines routinely retire aircraft and place them in storage, but the pace has been dramatically accelerated because of the pandemic.

According to Airlines for America, an industry lobbying organization, U.S. air carriers have idled nearly 3,200 planes in recent months, about 52% of the nation's active fleet.

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Butler said most airlines are placing aircraft in what he called “short-term storage,”  which, depending on specifications by different aircraft manufacturers, typically means from 30 to 90 days, though some are retiring aircraft for good, which involves an extensive decommissioning process.

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« Reply #327 on: May 21, 2020, 08:14:44 PM »
Took a walk today. Saw a couple contrails. Not like the spider web it used to be, but not like 9/11 either.
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« Reply #328 on: May 28, 2020, 05:49:54 PM »
Boeing to slash more than 12,000 jobs – with further cuts to come
27 May 2020
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Boeing is cutting more than 12,000 jobs through layoffs and buyouts as the coronavirus pandemic seizes the travel industry, and more cuts are coming.

One of the nation’s biggest manufacturers will lay off 6,770 US employees this week, and an additional 5,520 workers are taking buyout offers to leave voluntarily in the coming weeks.

Air travel within the US tumbled 96% by mid-April, to fewer than 100,000 people on some days. It has recovered slightly. The Transportation Security Administration said it screened 264,843 people at airports on Tuesday, a drop of 89% compared with the same Tuesday a year ago.

The layoffs are expected to be concentrated in the Seattle area, home to Boeing’s commercial-airplanes business. The defense and space division is stable and will help blunt the impact of the decline in air travel and demand for passenger jets, the company said.

Boeing said additional job cuts will be made in international locations, but it did not specify numbers.

“The Covid-19 pandemic’s devastating impact on the airline industry means a deep cut in the number of commercial jets and services our customers will need over the next few years, which in turn means fewer jobs on our lines and in our offices,” chief executive David Calhoun said Wednesday in a memo to employees. …
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/27/boeing-coronavirus-airline-industry-travel-job-losses
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« Reply #329 on: June 24, 2020, 02:08:29 PM »
Aviation Industry Decision to Weaken Climate Plan Could Break Own Rules

Countries attending the UN’s aviation body meeting this week look set to weaken the only international policy to address the climate impact of aircraft. But the way the decision is being made could be in violation of the organisation’s own rules.

The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has for decades been responsible for addressing the rising climate impact of international aviation, and agreed the Carbon Offsetting and Reduction Scheme for International Aviation (CORSIA) in 2016.

The scheme has been widely criticised for likely delivering only “modest” emissions reduction, and could now be weakened further, as ICAO is expected by this Friday to decide on a change to the baseline of CORSIA, lowering the level of emissions reductions airlines would have to aim for.

But the ability of the ICAO’s Council to legitimately make this decision has been called into question, as the organisation continues to be criticised for its opaque practices.

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ICAO plans to change the baseline to only 2019 emissions levels, rather than an average of 2019 and 2020 levels. That means the baseline will be far higher, owing to the huge drop in aviation emissions in 2020 due to the coronavirus pandemic. Airlines will therefore be able to emit far more before the scheme’s obligations to offset emissions growth past this baseline come into practise.

Under most post-COVID growth scenarios, changing the baseline would delay CORSIA's start for three to five years, according to an analysis by the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), which argues this could effectively eliminate airline offsetting obligations until 2028 or later. A separate analysis by the Oeko Institute found changing the baseline could reduce the overall mitigation achieved through CORSIA by 25 to 75 percent.

etc

https://www.desmog.co.uk/2020/06/24/aviation-industry-decision-weaken-climate-plan-could-break-own-rules

We should really switch from industries making plans to the world making actual plans but not holding my breath.

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« Reply #330 on: June 28, 2020, 08:53:43 PM »
Bloomberg on Twitter: "American Airlines said it would sell flights to capacity starting July 1, abandoning caps on passenger loads designed to promote social distancing”
https://mobile.twitter.com/business/status/1276663297350217728
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« Reply #331 on: June 28, 2020, 09:32:54 PM »
Bloomberg on Twitter: "American Airlines said it would sell flights to capacity starting July 1, abandoning caps on passenger loads designed to promote social distancing”
https://mobile.twitter.com/business/status/1276663297350217728
With good luck their 'planes won't be landing in the UK or Europe any time soon.

With bad luck the people who presume to govern us over here will submit to pressure from the USA.
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« Reply #332 on: June 29, 2020, 05:48:44 PM »
Boeing can begin test flights of the 737 Max, FAA says
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Boeing has been working with the FAA to get the 737 Max back in the air following two crashes that killed 346 people. The company had initially hoped the plane would fly again before the end of 2019, but the effort hit a number of roadblocks, including a new software issue that was discovered in February.


Problems with the 737 Max have so far cost Boeing $18.7 billion, and that number is likely to continue to climb.

The company temporarily stopped building the 737 Max in January, before the Covid-19 pandemic hit most of the world's airlines. It couldn't afford to keep building the Max without being able to deliver the planes and complete sales of the jet.

Boeing restarted production of the plane in May, but airlines have moved to cancel or delay delivery of new jets in the face of the Covid-19 crisis, forcing Boeing to greatly reduce its production plans for at least the next several years.

The plane cannot return to service until it receives final approval from the FAA.

The FAA's letter to Congress said the start of test flights does not signify the agency has "completed its compliance evaluation or other work associated with return to service." The agency outlined in the letter the steps that will remain in the clearance process following the test flights, which include evaluating minimum pilot training requirements among other processes. ...
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/28/business/boeing-737-max-test-flights-approved/index.html
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« Reply #333 on: July 04, 2020, 05:56:56 PM »
US Senator blasts American Airlines for packing the middle seats on his flight
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"I will introduce a bill to ban the sale of middle seats through this pandemic. And I'll work with colleagues to include it in a package of airline accountability reforms they are crafting," he tweeted.

Delta Air Lines, Jet Blue and Southwest Airlines, meanwhile, said they would continue to limit seating to enable some social distancing.
United Airlines said Wednesday it does not believe that simply leaving middle seats empty will protect passengers from the coronavirus.
"When it comes to blocking middle seats, that's a PR strategy, that's not a safety strategy," Josh Earnest, the airline's top spokesman, told reporters.

The CDC has said that "although illness may occur as a direct result of air travel, it is uncommon." Most viruses don't spread easily on airplanes, the agency has said, because of how the air circulates and is filtered. Modern commercial jets recirculate 10-50% of the air in the cabin, mixed with outside air.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/politics/jeff-merkley-american-airlines-middle-seat-trnd/index.html
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« Reply #334 on: July 20, 2020, 07:41:47 PM »
CEO Interview: David Calhoun’s Mission To Fix Boeing
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The French government has linked its support package for Airbus to the introduction of a hydrogen-powered, carbon-neutral airliner by 2035. Do you think that’s real, and could it have an impact on Boeing’s product development strategy? 

I don’t think the time frame the government suggests is reasonable. It’s something longer than that. On the other hand, I’m all in favor, and I think Boeing will be a player. I don’t think we’ll ever allow ourselves to play second fiddle on that, amongst other alternatives.

My big hope in this COVID moment is that there’s going to be a serious [parking] of [older] airplanes that need to be taken out of the skies, and they will steadily be replaced with today’s technology, which is 20-30% more fuel-efficient and environmentally friendly. With all the growth, nobody really set down large parts of their fleets, but I think that day is on us, and I don’t think that will be lost to the political and environmental interests out there. I think they’re going to put pressure on the industry to take that step change with today’s technology.

There’s talk of a need for a 30% gain in fuel burn in the next-generation of narrowbodies. What is the most likely way to get there? Is it hybrid-electric, hydrogen, the structural concepts?  There is not any one—it’s going to be some version of hybrid in my view. There’s going to be some development with respect to the wing and weight. Our ecoDemonstrator tests small increments in environmental and efficiency gains, and each little one will add to the list. But getting to 30% from where we are today is a long way. ...
https://aviationweek.com/ad-week/video-interviews/ceo-interview-david-calhouns-mission-fix-boeing
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« Reply #335 on: July 21, 2020, 02:07:34 PM »
Global air travel demand won’t recover to pre-coronavirus levels till at least 2023 – Moody’s
https://www.rt.com/business/495013-air-travel-slump-moodys/
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Airline passenger numbers are not expected to recover to the levels before the Covid-19 pandemic, which resulted in nationwide shutdowns around the world, for at least three years, Moody’s Investors Service warns.
The drop in demand could last even longer as the recovery depends on how fast health and safety concerns are relieved, according to the agency’s recent research. Noting the rising number of infections across the US, Moody’s analysts said that passenger demand “may ultimately align with its slower recovery case, or worse,” if strict quarantine measures are reinforced.
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« Reply #336 on: July 30, 2020, 03:47:36 PM »
Blain’s Morning Porridge, July 30 2020: Where did the planes go?
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While history tells us pandemics are bad, but survivable, it may not be the same story with the environment – it’s a threat of a different order and magnitude.  While the environmental campaigners have taken second seat to the immediacy of the Pandemic – their message hasn’t changed. Many social analysts now expect the Pandemic will trigger renewed and reinvigorated demand for environmental change… and Aviation will be a major target. Smart politicians get that and will play to the Millennial and Gen Z vote.
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« Reply #337 on: July 31, 2020, 08:39:31 PM »
“There is a customer calling us every day with a desire to want to defer and to deal with the difficult environments that they are dealing with.”

Boeing slashes aircraft production plans, warns on new job cuts as coronavirus devastates travel
• CEO Dave Calhoun announced the production cuts after the company released a $2.4 billion quarterly loss.
• Boeing’s commercial aircraft unit suffered the most, with a 65% drop in revenue from a year earlier as deliveries of new planes tumbled.
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... Boeing also said it would end production of the 747, a plane it has produced for more than five decades and is credited with spurring a boom in travel worldwide, in 2022.

Boeing has more than 470 planes sitting on the ground that haven’t been delivered to customers, most of them 737 Max jets, according to consulting firm Ascend by Cirium.

Airbus, Boeing’s main rival, is also hurt by the crisis and is set to report results on Thursday.

Calhoun said in April that air travel demand will likely take two or three years to recover. International demand has been particularly soft, hurting the outlook for Boeing’s widebody commercial planes, like the 787 Dreamliner. The International Air Transport Association, a trade group that represents most of the world’s airlines, said Tuesday it expects passenger air travel demand globally to recover to 2019 levels in 2024, a year later than it previously forecast. ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/boeing-ba-reports-second-results-as-coronavirus-hurts-demand-for-new-planes.html
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« Reply #338 on: August 08, 2020, 04:55:29 PM »
Likely they wore the mask until seated on the plane, then removed it.

Aug 1: 
Delta flight returns to gate after two travelers refuse to wear masks
https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1289703721362845696
"Delta statement to CNN: “Flight 1227 from Detroit to Atlanta returned to the gate following two customers who were non-compliant with crew instructions. After a short delay, the aircraft departed to Atlanta.” The two passengers were removed from the plane, a spokesperson said."
< Bravo to Delta!! Apparently those 2 passengers took off their shoes at TSA and gave up their luggage to have it scanned without it being a violation of their body or constitutional rights or whatever they rationalize it with.
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« Reply #339 on: August 10, 2020, 05:13:32 PM »
"You can't get on the plane without wearing your mask. But we do have some customers that don't want to keep their mask on during flight," Bastian said Friday. "We remind them several times over the course of getting ready to take off to please keep that mask on. But if they insist upon not wearing it — we insist that they're not going to travel on Delta today."

Delta CEO: 'Well over 100 people' have been banned from flying after refusing to wear masks
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New York(CNN Business) Dozens of people have been barred from flying on Delta airplanes for refusing to comply with the airline industry's mask policies, Delta CEO Ed Bastian told CNN's Julia Chatterley on Friday.

"We've had well over 100 people that have refused to keep their mask on during the flight," he added.
A spokesperson confirmed to CNN Business that those people have lost the ability to book future flights on Delta. …
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/07/business/delta-air-lines-masks-ban-passengers/index.html
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« Reply #340 on: August 10, 2020, 08:06:20 PM »
There's been a slight recovery in air traffic, but it's still down more than 40% from last year.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Aramco-Asian-Oil-Demand-Recovery-Almost-At-Pre-Crisis-Levels.html

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In another sign of optimism about demand, data from global flight tracking service Flightradar24 showed on Saturday that on Friday, August 7, there were more than 70,000 commercial flights globally for the first time since March 20. Yet, the number of commercial flights was still down 43.6 percent compared to the same Friday in August 2019.

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« Reply #341 on: August 15, 2020, 03:25:24 PM »
American Airlines prepares to drop some service to smaller cities as expiration of federal aid nears
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/american-airlines-could-cut-some-flights-required-under-federal-aid-terms-as-expiration-nears.html
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Airlines are required to maintain minimum levels of service through Sept. 30 under a $25 billion federal aid package.
The terms of the federal support prohibit airlines from laying off workers until Oct. 1.

Report Says Volume of Greek Air Traffic Plunged 74.3% in 2020
https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/08/13/report-says-volume-of-greek-air-traffic-plunged-74-3-in-2020/
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A report came out on Thursday confirming the worst fears of Greek economic experts, stating that the country had seen a drop of 74.3% in the number of passengers who had traveled through their airports so far this year.
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« Reply #342 on: August 15, 2020, 08:20:19 PM »
FAA issues Boeing 737 MAX proposed Airworthiness Directive
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The FAA has issued a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) as another step to clear the grounded Boeing 737 MAX jets for flight again.

The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes. The NPRM is open for public comments with 45 days of publication. To assist with the review of the proposed AD, the FAA also published their Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).

In short, the NPRM proposes the following steps to be taken before any 737 MAX will be allowed to operate revenue flights:
   •   Installation/Verification of Flight Control Computer (FCC) Operational Program Software (OPS)
   •   Note: Boeing updated the FCC software to eliminate MCAS* reliance on a single AOA [Angle Of Attack] sensor signal by using both AOA sensor inputs and changing flight control laws to safeguard against MCAS activation due to a failed or erroneous AOA sensor.
   •   Airplane Flight Manual (AFM) Revisions
   •   Minimum Equipment List (MEL) Provisions for Inoperative Flight Control System Functions
   •   Installation/Verification of MAX Display System (MDS) Software
   •   Note: Boeing has revised the AOA DISAGREE alert message implementation to achieve the original design intent to be standard on all 737 MAX aircraft.
   •   Horizontal Stabilizer Trim Wire Bundle Routing Change
   •   AOA Sensor System Test
   •   Operational Readiness Flight
https://news.aviation-safety.net/2020/08/04/faa-issues-boeing-737-max-proposed-airworthiness-directive/

*The Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) is a flight control law(software) first deployed on the Boeing KC-46 Air Force tanker, where it "moves the stabilizer in a wind-up turn".  MCAS adjusts the horizontal stabilizer trim to push the nose down when the aircraft is operating in manual flight, with flaps up, at an elevated angle of attack (AoA), so the pilot will not inadvertently pull the airplane up too steeply, potentially causing a stall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
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« Reply #343 on: August 22, 2020, 05:33:06 PM »
Boeing's 787 choice could gut Washington state's aircraft industry
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Hit hard by the collapse of the airplane market, Boeing will decide as early as next month whether to consolidate its two 787 Dreamliner assembly lines in Washington and South Carolina at a single site. If it does, the 30,000-employee widebody jet plant in Everett [Washington] is expected to be the loser.

That decision would have dire consequences for Boeing's local workforce, and the regional supplier network that directly employs as many as 10,000 others.

Such a scenario has haunted employees and community leaders since Boeing shocked the region in 2009 by announcing it would  build its second 787 assembly line in North Charleston, S.C.  -- its first jetliner plant outside Washington state. ...
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Industry veteran Adam Pilarski of consulting firm Avitas thinks Boeing needs to go all out now to research and develop not a new conventional airplane but a new environmentally “green” design that could be launched around 2030.

He believes the engineering work to design such a radically new plane and develop the advanced manufacturing methods needed to mass produce it should be begun during the downturn, ideally in the emptied out space in Everett.

Such work will not require as many mechanics as does building the current jets, but it would employ a cadre of highly skilled engineers and technical manufacturing people.

“These are jobs that you can have around Seattle, less likely in South Carolina,” Pilarski said.
He thinks that’s the way Boeing can secure its future, “if it wants to stay in aviation.” ...
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeings-787-choice-could-gut-washington-states-aircraft-industry/
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« Reply #344 on: August 22, 2020, 07:45:41 PM »
Here is one reason not to fly:
 
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« Reply #345 on: August 26, 2020, 11:38:52 PM »
The Potentially Revolutionary Celera 500L Aircraft Officially Breaks Cover
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36016/the-potentially-revolutionary-celera-500l-officially-breaks-cover



Otto Aviation says the Celera 500L had a maximum cruising speed of at least 450 miles per hour and a range of over 4,500 miles. It also has impressive fuel economy, achieving 18 and 25 miles per gallon, according to Otto Aviation. A traditional business jet with similar capabilities to the Celera 500L, including its six-passenger capacity, typically burn a gallon of fuel for every two to three miles of flight, making Otto's design dramatically more economical, as well as more environmentally friendly. The company says that the Celera 500L will have an unbelievably low per-hour flight cost of just $328.

Otto notes that a range of 4,500 miles, together with a typical takeoff run of around 3,300 feet, means that the Celera 500L will be able to fly between virtually any airports in the United States without need to stop to refuel.



https://www.ottoaviation.com/
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« Reply #346 on: August 27, 2020, 06:48:51 PM »
Airlines, Trying to Dodge Bankruptcy with Air Travel Still Down 70%, Threaten Oct. Jobs Massacre Unless they Get 2nd Bailout
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/08/26/clamoring-for-2nd-bailout-airlines-trying-to-dodge-bankruptcy-with-air-travel-still-down-70-threaten-october-jobs-massacre/
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Barring new bailouts, the risk of bankruptcy hovers over the industry. If airlines get through this period without a bankruptcy filing, they will emerge on the other side with a lot more debt that will make them precarious structures for years to come.

Despite the huge rally in stocks since March 23, airlines stocks have not recovered anywhere near the levels of the Good Times. The WOLF STREET index of the seven largest US airlines – Alaska, American, Delta, JetBlue, Southwest, Spirit, and United – is still down 45% from the already beaten-down level at the end of the Good Times in mid-January 2020, and down more from prior years (market cap data via YCharts):
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« Reply #347 on: September 03, 2020, 12:11:42 PM »
Air Travel Bust Worsens As Carriers Need More Cash
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/air-travel-bust-continues-carriers-need-more-cash-through-summer-2021
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To shed more color on where airlines are headed, John Grant, chief analyst at OAG, and Scott McCartney, an aviation expert and travel editor at The Wall Street Journal, discussed Tuesday, during a webinar, the dire situation airlines face through 2021.
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Re: Aviation
« Reply #348 on: September 16, 2020, 05:58:59 PM »
'Disturbing Revelations' About Boeing 737 Max Crashes Made Public in New Report
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“The MAX crashes were not the result of a singular failure, technical mistake, or mismanaged event,” the new report, which was posted online Wednesday morning, reads.

“They were the horrific culmination of a series of faulty technical assumptions by Boeing’s engineers, a lack of transparency on the part of Boeing’s management, and grossly insufficient oversight by the FAA—the pernicious result of regulatory capture on the part of the FAA with respect to its responsibilities to perform robust oversight of Boeing and to ensure the safety of the flying public.”
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Back in 2019, there may have been skepticism from the U.S. public about getting on an airplane associated with two back-to-back crashes. Travel booking websites like Kayak even started to allow passengers to filter out specific planes, including the 737 Max, after the second Max crash in March 2019. But here in 2020, covid might make consumers more hesitant than anything to get on a passenger aircraft.
https://gizmodo.com/disturbing-revelations-about-boeing-737-max-crashes-mad-1845073655
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« Reply #349 on: September 18, 2020, 06:16:14 AM »
Slutsken at cnn: fuel savings from flying in formation

" avian scientists began to understand that birds were increasing aerodynamic efficiencies by flying in close formation, taking advantage of the changed airflow in each bird's wake."

"the Airbus fello'fly flight demonstration project will fly two large commercial aircraft in formation, looking to mimic the energy savings of our feathered friends."

" test flights in 2016 with an Airbus A380 megajet and A350-900 wide-body jetliner"

"Initial flight testing with two A350s began in March 2020. The program will be expanded next year to include the involvement of Frenchbee and SAS airlines, along with air traffic control and air navigation service providers from France, the UK, and Europe"

"  It's really nothing to do with close formationIt's really nothing to do with close formation"

"They will be 1 1/2 to 2 nautical miles away from the leading aircraft, and slightly offset, which means they are on the side of the vortex. It's no longer the vortex, it's the smooth current of rotating air which is next to the vortex, and we use the updraft of this air."

"on long-haul flights, fuel savings of between 5% and 10% may be achieved"

"Once in the upwash, autoflight systems will be required to maintain the correct position"

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/airbus-formation-flight/index.html

There's a reference to a paper from 2001 about pelicans which is quite nice. doi: 10.1038/35099670

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