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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2018, 04:25:18 PM »
You wrote:



IMO and only IMO many if not most scientist are narrow-minded, depend on funding with all it's impact, are boxing themselves up into positions and the most reputed are not always the most skilled and not always make themselves a name with their own work but harvest the work of others because of their status etc.


I want to be clear about my response. I took offense to the fossil fuel company talking point that climate scientists' research is corrupted by the process of getting government grants. There is real corruption in corporate-funded science in the pharmaceutical business where negative results are suppressed, making some drugs look more beneficial and safer than they actually are. Corporate funded research has a tendency to be tainted by the profit motive. Government funded research does not have the profit motive for potential bias.

The process of government funding may be affected by group think on "what's hot" but strong competition of ideas and intense scientific debate prevent corruption of the basic science. The notion, promoted by fossil fuel interests and internet trolls, that there's some vast international conspiracy of scientists to misinform or defraud the public so that they can continue to get government grants to do work on climate science is beyond absurd. It's anti-intellectualism at its worst. Yet, the U.S. government is now led by a con man who actively promoted that vile lie.

I know that you did not go that far in what you wrote but that's today's political environment. Scientists have been bullied by dishonest right wing attacks such as "Climategate" for years and that has negatively affected the communication of science to the general public.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2018, 09:19:19 PM »
Just swung in following a suggestion by sidd.


This thread does indeed seem the ideal place to offer suggestions, regarding the level of civility expected here.
My only suggestion has long been to keep the political separated from the more scientific threads. "The Rest" seems adequate from my prospective.


I believe that some do their argument a disservice by allowing themselves to be drawn into flame wars, hurling imprecations, or when they're reduced to calling others names, but it's the internet, stuff happens.


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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2018, 06:29:26 AM »
A few hundred years ago, Pascal wrote:

"Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte."

Very roughly translated, "I am prolix for lack of leisure enuf to be briefer."

A long time ago, a kind professor pointed out to me the importance of brevity. For, in any communication, you consume your own time in composition, but more presumptuously, you consume the reader's time. In a public forum, there are many readers, your demands multiply.

That said, I have, more than once, regretted being too brief. Some examples exist on this forum. But it is mostly better to say too little than too much.

In time our mouths will b stopped with dust, and we shall say no more.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2018, 02:05:00 PM »
Deleted. No reason for such nastiness.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2018, 04:24:42 PM »
Hi .. Archimid .. I can assure you you are not alone in being abused by a Lurk pm .. but he certainly wasted more words on you .. b.c.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2018, 04:45:11 PM »
It's the last time as far as I am concerned. I somewhat enjoy the head-butting (not on every subject), but it has to be out in the open.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2018, 06:47:47 PM »
How long must we abide obvious bullies on this forum? It does not make me want to recommend this otherwise great place for others to visit. Name calling and other sorts of head-butting is one thing. Veiled and direct threats another.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2018, 08:53:33 PM »
Don't worry, wili. It's not such a big deal, unless we all want it to be one.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2018, 09:31:05 PM »
Yep, no biggie if it just a one time thing. I prefer to receive insults in public, not through PMs.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2018, 10:02:29 PM »
Just got this PM from Lurk:

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Who can't even spell his abuse.

I think all abusive PMs should be displayed in "Buddy Format" on a special thread all of its own. We could have a poll every so often for who gets the wooden spoon.
So far I am relatively unscathed, but certainly will ensure that such a message will be posted here and there.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2018, 10:46:15 PM »
I want to be clear about my response. I took offense to the fossil fuel company talking point that climate scientists' research is corrupted by the process of getting government grants. There is real corruption in corporate-funded science in the pharmaceutical business where negative results are suppressed, making some drugs look more beneficial and safer than they actually are. Corporate funded research has a tendency to be tainted by the profit motive. Government funded research does not have the profit motive for potential bias.

The process of government funding may be affected by group think on "what's hot" but strong competition of ideas and intense scientific debate prevent corruption of the basic science. The notion, promoted by fossil fuel interests and internet trolls, that there's some vast international conspiracy of scientists to misinform or defraud the public so that they can continue to get government grants to do work on climate science is beyond absurd. It's anti-intellectualism at its worst. Yet, the U.S. government is now led by a con man who actively promoted that vile lie.

I know that you did not go that far in what you wrote but that's today's political environment. Scientists have been bullied by dishonest right wing attacks such as "Climategate" for years and that has negatively affected the communication of science to the general public.

however it sounded, no personal or specific offense was meant, but it was meant to qualify the output of science in general, and even more make people verify as much and as good as they can because statements and work of science have lead to among the worst outcomes in history, beside the fact that of course we all benefit a lot from the work of science.

i used a few terms that i hoped made it clear but i gladly repeat:

- many not all

- in my opinion, no dogma or absolutism.

further the negative example are more prominent in human minds like are accidents and
other negative headlines etc.

this does not mean that i find this ok, it just makes it a bit more understandable.

further when it comes to the main reason of that post, it is because many times, not only scientists, people with a top education and/or knowledge in some fields or group of fields, disard easily and in a condescending manner input that comes from so called laymen while in history many break through ideas came from people who know little about the topic but had phantasy and logical thinking, an analytic mind so to say.

there are quite a bit too many "holy grails" (holy cows) that whoever speaks agains is
ridiculed and/or muted. it's a kind of elite thinking and title and money worshipping and
i'm for neutral exchange of ideas and information, not for preset patterns into which
all that don't belong can hardly break in.

then there are the specialists and those with good knowledge in many fields and one can perhaps acquire several doctorates but not each of those, does not make genuine and honest thinking
less worth to listen and to consider.

now a young person might be unsure about the quality of most his/her ideas while over the years one can somehow measure the quota and even though it's hard to proof, if one has feel for things and the quote is high enough there is not much one can do to break that self-confidence, even though there is not only room but kind of a certainly that errors occur.

for someone who errs 80% it's easy to shut up and step back while for others it's one of the hardest thing, one gets used to everything ;)
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2018, 06:50:00 AM »
"It's not such a big deal, unless we all want it to be one"

Riiiight....so it's the people who make a 'big deal' about bullying that are the problem, not the bullies...

Got it.

Just needed to get clarification on that point.

I was clearly confused and deluded on that point.

Thanks so much for clarifying the general attitude prevailing here on such issues.

Good to know what we are dealing with here...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2018, 08:29:18 AM »
Is it possible to block off forum messages from another user ? As in the cases quoted above, it seems that some such messages are unwelcome.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2018, 10:17:46 AM »
A good many years ago when my daughter was very young (before WWW), a troll was a big ugly something that lived in a stream under a bridge and ate any goat foolish enough to try and cross that bridge.

Today's cyberspace trolls seem a bit feeble in comparison, except perhaps in ugliness.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2018, 12:17:51 PM »
A good many years ago when my daughter was very young (before WWW), a troll was a big ugly something that lived in a stream under a bridge and ate any goat foolish enough to try and cross that bridge.

Today's cyberspace trolls seem a bit feeble in comparison, except perhaps in ugliness.

But people have always disagreed G. Have bullied/insulted and been bullied as children and adults, been mobbed in the workplace, been coerced and dismissed out of hand, had arguments with friends and enemies, lost their tempers, swore at each other, forgiven each other apologized  and moved on, and sometimes held a grudge forever, peopl lie about each other, make false accusations of others, and the biggy is totally misconstrued or misinterpreted what another said or meant in real life -- while wives have long thrown plates and vases at their husbands. Are they all 'ugly'?


"Are they all 'ugly'? "

No, but the behaviour is. Righteous anger is - righteous. It is how that is expressed that makes or breaks the response.

ps: Ah, I remember the joy of the 14,400 bps modem usually working at < 50%, i.e. at 1 kilobyte per second or less, if you could connect at all.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2018, 06:55:32 PM »

"Are they all 'ugly'? "

No, but the behaviour is. Righteous anger is - righteous. It is how that is expressed that makes or breaks the response.

ps: Ah, I remember the joy of the 14,400 bps modem usually working at < 50%, i.e. at 1 kilobyte per second or less, if you could connect at all.

Didn't I just say it was going to get worse G.?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2018, 06:04:38 AM »
I would like to thank Mr. Neven and Mr. Petit (and perhaps other moderators i have missed) for their patience in wading thru the muck while moderating this forum. It is easy for members like me to disregard entire threads or individual posters but they do not have that luxury.  They have to deal with every temper tantrum on every thread, i am quite impressed by their forbearance. I have run moderated lists and groups before and i would have ejected many more than they have.

I offer a lesson from Usenet: i have found the best (moderated) newsgroups are the ones most tightly focussed with draconian moderation. Some of the better newsgroups have a policy that any complaint about moderation is instantly rejected.

The next best are those where the posters and audience  know how to use killfiles (in this case, ignore lists)  and do.

Lastly, i would remind that this forum is Mr. Neven's forum. When I visit someone, i defer to his wishes as to what may or may not be discussed. If those limits displease me, i am free to go elsewhere. That is merely common courtesy. I suggest those unhappy with Mr. Neven's judgements start their own forum.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2018, 03:00:54 AM »
thanks for banning my IP addresses neven :)
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2018, 09:54:38 AM »
As far as I know, I haven't banned anything, except for a few spambots (and putting three members on moderation in the past few weeks). Could you be more specific?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2018, 11:53:31 AM »
This place is not anyone's home. You do not have a right to tell people in a public space to adopt your own personal standards or writing style. Freedom means being tolerant of others different standards and their POV.

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"Freedom means being tolerant of others different standards".
Never, no way. I just hate "mmmmmmm"s and "hmmmmm"s. I hate Huge Bold fonts.

When I am the Great Dictator of something or other I will indulge my intolerance of such abuses of the English language with righteous wrath.

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« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2018, 01:09:05 AM »
The political asymmetric polarization implies that bothsidesism does not work as the truth is not always balanced.  Bothsidesism indicates that both sides are equally wrong, which then lets the side that is more wrong off-the-hook.  Furthermore, the linked PNAS reference demonstrates that when exposed to opposing viewpoints conservatives move towards more conservative positions faster than liberal move towards more liberal positions; which compounds the already pre-existing condition of asymmetric polarization. 

Christopher A. Bail, Lisa P. Argyle, Taylor W. Brown, John P. Bumpus, Haohan Chen, M. B. Fallin Hunzaker, Jaemin Lee, Marcus Mann, Friedolin Merhout, and Alexander Volfovsky (September 11, 2018), "Exposure to opposing views on social media can increase political polarization", PNAS, 115 (37) 9216-9221; https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1804840115

http://www.pnas.org/content/115/37/9216

Abstract: "There is mounting concern that social media sites contribute to political polarization by creating “echo chambers” that insulate people from opposing views about current events. We surveyed a large sample of Democrats and Republicans who visit Twitter at least three times each week about a range of social policy issues. One week later, we randomly assigned respondents to a treatment condition in which they were offered financial incentives to follow a Twitter bot for 1 month that exposed them to messages from those with opposing political ideologies (e.g., elected officials, opinion leaders, media organizations, and nonprofit groups). Respondents were resurveyed at the end of the month to measure the effect of this treatment, and at regular intervals throughout the study period to monitor treatment compliance. We find that Republicans who followed a liberal Twitter bot became substantially more conservative post-treatment. Democrats exhibited slight increases in liberal attitudes after following a conservative Twitter bot, although these effects are not statistically significant. Notwithstanding important limitations of our study, these findings have significant implications for the interdisciplinary literature on political polarization and the emerging field of computational social science."

Edit: For example bothsidesism is a common tool of climate change denialists.

Edit2, the attached image provides a second example of asymmetric polarization, illustrating how radical the US House of Representatives has become in recent years.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2018, 11:46:59 PM »
And if 'both sides' are actually 'one side', does this change the theory?  ;D

And what does this have to do with Forum Decorum?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2018, 12:40:58 AM »
I seem to be seeing more profanity on general interest threads.  I will block (formally, "ignore") folks whom I notice doing it more than once (even posters I generally agree with).
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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2018, 07:48:41 AM »
America's Finest News Source on polarization of american democracy:

 “The analysis we conducted indicates the growing divide in political attitudes has been entirely caused by those dipshits in the other party,”

"Pomeroy stressed that the only way to reverse the troubling effects of polarization was for the dumbfucks on the other side to disregard all their life experiences and change everything about the way they think."

https://politics.theonion.com/political-scientists-trace-american-democracy-s-severe-1830136614

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« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2018, 09:27:35 AM »
Apparently in another thread or two Neven was accused of character attacks and ad hominem. For the record, I wish to state that I read his posts and saw no such thing.

I repeat my plea to use killfiles and stay on topic.

Or, if you absolutely must tussle publicly rather than offline, use appropriate threads with titles like "Ad hominems" or "Character attacks" or "This place is cruel to me, so I say goodbye" or "XXX is exposed as a running dog of the YYY cabal" or ...

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2018, 07:40:58 PM »
... snip ...

And what does this have to do with Forum Decorum?

It is my opinion that TPTB give permission for conservative posts in this forum to be more reactionary, because they expect it.
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« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2018, 10:37:00 PM »
... snip ...

And what does this have to do with Forum Decorum?

It is my opinion that TPTB give permission for conservative posts in this forum to be more reactionary, because they expect it.

Meaning?
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« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2018, 11:50:15 PM »
... snip ...

And what does this have to do with Forum Decorum?

It is my opinion that TPTB give permission for conservative posts in this forum to be more reactionary, because they expect it.

Meaning?

Meaning that in my opinion the Forum Decorum imposed on this forum supports bothsidesism; which is scientifically indefensible; as bothsidesism resulting in delaying climate change action and promotes consumption by allowing conservatives to promote such behavior without providing adequate evidence of their positions.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2018, 12:11:02 AM »
Re: "TPTB give permission for conservative posts in this forum to be more reactionary, because they expect it."

Re: "in my opinion the Forum Decorum imposed on this forum supports bothsidesism"

Examples supporting these statements might bolster them.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2018, 12:43:31 AM »
Re: "TPTB give permission for conservative posts in this forum to be more reactionary, because they expect it."

Re: "in my opinion the Forum Decorum imposed on this forum supports bothsidesism"

Examples supporting these statements might bolster them.

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While there are more examples than I care to cite, I find it an example of bothsidesism that this forum has a thread entitled "ECS is 2.5" in the science folder (see Reply #37 in that thread).  Having a thread with this title: a) promotes inaction on climate change which promotes consumption and b) as indicated by Reply #33 in that thread it is bothsidesism to compare calculation of ECS from a spreadsheet with calculations of ECS from state of the art climate models such as those presented by Andrew Dessler.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2018, 05:37:48 AM »
Re: "it is bothsidesism to compare calculation of ECS from a spreadsheet with calculations of ECS from state of the art climate models "

How so ? It might be quite "naive," or "bold," or "brash"  to claim or represent that the 2.5C estimate is as well grounded or as well supported as more sophisticated methods. But it is an estimate.

I take it then you would not object to a title like "Attempted calculation of ECS comes in on the low side"

For example, I might claim that ECS is 1, or 10,  based on my entirely imaginary numerology. Why would either of these be bothsideism ? Indeed, those claims would be more properly characterized as "fantasy" and the proper title for such a thread might be "Sidd's fantasies about ECS"

But to suggest that Neven's policies encourage or discourage  post like those is quite farfetched. A far as I can see he leaves the reins very, very loose but does restrain the more spirited horses. He steers a fine line and I commend his restraint. Apparently you want him to keep a tighter rein.

But there is really no problem that I can see. Tighten the reins yourself. Use the excellent killfile.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2018, 06:25:41 AM »
But there is really no problem that I can see. Tighten the reins yourself. Use the excellent killfile.
Excellent?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2413.msg179677.html#msg179677

Forum=debate, discuss. Preferably somewhat open minded.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2018, 06:34:45 AM »
Re: killfiles "Excellent?"

Well it could be better. Real threading as in usenet and ability to kill responses to killfiled posters and regexps and ...

A man can dream ...

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« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2018, 06:57:11 AM »
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I take it then you would not object to a title like "Attempted calculation of ECS comes in on the low side"
This would have been an excellent choice of a header and in the spirit of citizen science.  Now, I'm not sure if he's a snake oil man or genuinely attempting to get it.

But there is really no problem that I can see. Tighten the reins yourself. Use the excellent killfile.
Excellent?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2413.msg179677.html#msg179677

Forum=debate, discuss. Preferably somewhat open minded.

I still keep him uningored for the entertainment value in anticipation of a complete reversal.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2018, 07:19:09 AM »
The ultimate scenario is 1478 members ignoring each other. ;) I managed to ignore the comment I posted and the thread ASLR mentioned above, without killfiles.

But I do think that threads that start with a clear condescending intent of shutting down discussions, should be moderated. AGW is no joke.

Edit; howto ignore myself; read my follow up comment below.
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« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2018, 08:01:03 AM »
I just tried to ignore myself, but that didn't work ...

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2018, 10:36:07 AM »
I don't ignore anyone .. but I wonder are the posters that post voluminous crap kept going so that the forum dies .. I begin to think Neven wants this forum to die by driving away the likes of A-team while defending the right of others to fill page after page with pet theories . No ? What use a forum filled with the thoughts of the mad and the bad ?
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« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2018, 11:55:12 AM »
I don't ignore anyone .. but I wonder are the posters that post voluminous crap kept going so that the forum dies .. I begin to think Neven wants this forum to die by driving away the likes of A-team while defending the right of others to fill page after page with pet theories . No ? What use a forum filled with the thoughts of the mad and the bad ?
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Yea, it's the volume.
For long I kept the same policy of not ignoring anyone, but have slipped. I guess my first ignored member was none other than ASLR. This I did for I did want to follow discussion on ENSO, without scrolling through his daily updates... Still checked many other posts by him. Political threads here are the same as elsewhere, nowadays I won't read responses though I still post on them. Plenty of those who peruse those threads are on my ignore list. I indeed looks like Neven likes those threads on occasion but I don't have to go there.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2018, 03:54:58 PM »
...
But I do think that threads that start with a clear condescending intent of shutting down discussions, should be moderated. AGW is no joke.

...

I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2018, 04:31:38 PM »
Re: killfiles "Excellent?"

A man can dream ...
... and never know what he's missing in the real world with real people talking about real things that really matter.

It's valid choice to only talk to yourself and no one sidd and to shit down inputs. Which is why you're in my ignore/killfile. Equanimity means returning the favor. :)

You ignore sidd? How brave!  ;D
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« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2018, 05:00:49 PM »
Re: "it is bothsidesism to compare calculation of ECS from a spreadsheet with calculations of ECS from state of the art climate models "

How so ? It might be quite "naive," or "bold," or "brash"  to claim or represent that the 2.5C estimate is as well grounded or as well supported as more sophisticated methods. But it is an estimate.

I take it then you would not object to a title like "Attempted calculation of ECS comes in on the low side"

For example, I might claim that ECS is 1, or 10,  based on my entirely imaginary numerology. Why would either of these be bothsideism ? Indeed, those claims would be more properly characterized as "fantasy" and the proper title for such a thread might be "Sidd's fantasies about ECS"

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I would not take comfort in the uncertainties in estimating climate sensitivity, and it is not wise to treat real climate science like it is a toy to play with:

Title: "Climate sensitivity uncertainties leading to more concern"

https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivity-uncertainties-concern.html

Extract: "Dessler said his “best guess” currently, based on the evidence he’s seen, calls for an increase of 3 to 4 degrees C from a doubling of CO2 concentrations over pre-industrial levels.

“The idea that climate sensitivity from observations is a lot lower than the models, that the models are ‘running hot'” and showing more warming and not less … “that idea is headed for the junkyard,” Dessler concludes."
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« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2018, 08:56:15 PM »
I seem to use killfiles more in ennui these days.  Predominantly those whose missives are drearily predictable, in fact, i sometimes feel that i could almost (perish the thought!) compose their posts myself ...

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2018, 03:19:01 PM »
I don't ignore anyone .. but I wonder are the posters that post voluminous crap kept going so that the forum dies .. I begin to think Neven wants this forum to die by driving away the likes of A-team while defending the right of others to fill page after page with pet theories . No ? What use a forum filled with the thoughts of the mad and the bad ?
please igmore :)
b.c.
Yea, it's the volume.
For long I kept the same policy of not ignoring anyone, but have slipped. I guess my first ignored member was none other than ASLR. This I did for I did want to follow discussion on ENSO, without scrolling through his daily updates... Still checked many other posts by him. Political threads here are the same as elsewhere, nowadays I won't read responses though I still post on them. Plenty of those who peruse those threads are on my ignore list. I indeed looks like Neven likes those threads on occasion but I don't have to go there.
I like ASLR's work very much. Plenty of quotes with links I can take seriously.

On the polit threads: I also enjoy the head banging. Would be more fun live at the beer table - but I only have one serious buddy for this, here in the Barvarian hinterland.
Still, I ignore everybody who seriously quotes Russia Today or western wingnut sites like the Daily Caller. Luckily no Breitbart infestation yet.
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« Reply #93 on: November 08, 2018, 05:07:24 PM »
Luckily no Breitbart infestation yet.

Just read Lurk's Reply #100.

Edit: It appears that the posters who link to alt-right sources, just love Neven's 'bothsidesism' decorum approach.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #94 on: November 10, 2018, 10:18:24 AM »
Feeling depressed, lonely, disconnected? A new study from the University of Pennsylvania suggests prolonged exposure to social media might be the cause – which for some will come as little surprise, even though it seems to be the exact opposite of what social networks are supposed to do.

People keep telling me that this forum is social media too, so maybe that's why I often feel that way?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #95 on: November 10, 2018, 11:27:28 AM »
I don't know .. but if you are happy with Lurk's post on wildfires this am then you may need some siort of help .. b.c.

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« Reply #96 on: November 10, 2018, 11:50:01 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: November 10, 2018, 01:02:29 PM »
I don't know .. but if you are happy with Lurk's post on wildfires this am then you may need some siort of help .. b.c.

I'm neither happy or unhappy. I respect the position, and I understand where it's coming from. I'd be happier if we can start mitigating AGW for real without having had to wait for extreme AGW-fuelled events to do serious damage (except to Mar-a-lago, of course, that would be okay, right?).

It's out of our hands anyway, and of course, it's already happening.

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I've stated repeatedly that I don't mind the occasional curse word or insult. But others do, and then they start complaining, and that means more work for Neven. And as Neven already has plenty of work online and offline, he gets unhappy.
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2018, 07:44:05 AM »
Posted elsewhere, to lazy to find it right now. Why We suck.
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« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2018, 02:39:20 PM »
Yesterday was an all time "Most Online" record if this is correct?
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