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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #500 on: December 02, 2019, 07:40:06 PM »
I emphatize with your feelings blumenkraft.
But should we stop reporting because you can't handle it?

Sorry for asking!
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #501 on: December 02, 2019, 08:01:22 PM »
RE: This!
Could we please, please stop reporting on this suicide? Or perhaps at least with a trigger warning and without such pictures?

I can't handle this shit. Seriously, just can't!
The attached image (Typhoon 29W (Kammuri)) guarantees destruction to many and probably death to quite a few, but does not generate much of an emotional response.

We respond much more when individuals are involved and we have an image of that individual.

Perhaps that is why we can debate how many millions (billions?) of humankind are facing destruction and likely early death from AGW and other environmental damage in the remainder of this century.

Stalin is credited with saying "a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”.

I really didn't expect a salin quote and whataboutism as a response to me asking politely but here we are...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #502 on: December 02, 2019, 08:42:10 PM »
A few  persons die in a stabbing on London bridge and it gets headlines for days 6,000 miles away
Hundreds die somewhere poor  and it might make a few lines buried among the adds if you are lucky.
The weather catastrophe porn is important on sites like this or we simply do not get informed about them.

The economic costs of climate change  ignores the pain and suffering we are inflicting on the poor. A few homes  in a rich place flooding is given many times more weight than a thousand being destroyed in Bangladesh. 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #503 on: December 02, 2019, 08:49:28 PM »
I really didn't expect a salin quote and whataboutism as a response to me asking politely but here we are...
I also have problems when looking at the suffering of individuals. I have to force myself to do it. Part of the long-term therapy, but that is personal history.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #504 on: December 02, 2019, 08:52:00 PM »
I only asked for not posting potentially traumatising, graphic content.

How could this derail like that?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #505 on: December 02, 2019, 09:00:59 PM »
I only asked for not posting potentially traumatising, graphic content.

How could this derail like that?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #506 on: December 02, 2019, 09:02:24 PM »
ya...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #507 on: December 02, 2019, 09:52:54 PM »
What thread should this particular derail get posted in?

If one posts a question, posting an answer/explanation is fair game.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #508 on: December 02, 2019, 10:21:58 PM »
I suppose you can differentiate between hard science threads and social ones .

A thread on 2019 Mauna Loa CO2 levels is not an appropriate place for half a dozen members to have an involved discussion on ocean heat content.
 Not only does it clog the thread detracting from its purpose it also means any significant content on the off topic topic is lost to prosperity.

A few asides would be acceptable, to most. on any thread. When you have a page or more of chatter on a hard science  thread not so.

Propose or Answer a tangential question or add some snark or humor, OK. if it gets more involved suggest shifting to a more appropriate thread.

I am not trying to make rules just attempting to generate discussion on something  I see as important for the health of this forum. 
 
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 12:14:30 AM by KiwiGriff »

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #509 on: December 03, 2019, 11:04:27 AM »
I like that.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #510 on: December 03, 2019, 01:32:15 PM »
I don't know what you will do, but on the Furry forum they asked I call them "Reasonable Skeptics" on both fora. I will try to call them skeptics. I try to be fair in vocabulary, calling my opponents in another issue "prochoice" even as they refuse to call me "prolife" instead of "antichoice". "Denier" may be pedantically correct, but the deniers of a certain historical fact have tainted that term. So I will just call them skeptics. Even when they call us "warmmongers". Or "watermelons" (green on the outside, red on the inside).

EDIT: I've been calling us "AGWphobes" on the Furry forum (although the weather Dec-Feb here in Twinsburg sorely tempts me to be an AGWphile). Do you have a better term?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #511 on: December 03, 2019, 02:42:36 PM »
Climate risk deniers, because that's what they do: Deny that there is any risk involved with AGW. As soon as they admit that there is potential risk, they know they are in trouble. So, zero risk.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #512 on: December 03, 2019, 04:56:56 PM »
Neven, how do you feel about posting pictures of rotting bodies of people who commit suicide on camera for the likes on Instagram? Is this content the forum needs per se?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #513 on: December 03, 2019, 05:29:44 PM »
I haven't seen those pictures. Where were they posted?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #514 on: December 03, 2019, 05:39:20 PM »
One picture.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2886.msg239192.html#msg239192

I asked for a trigger warning for such content (or not to post it at all ideally). I think it's not too much to ask for. For me, it was traumatising to see this shit.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #515 on: December 03, 2019, 06:03:21 PM »
Okay, seen it now (had already seen it, but didn't know you referred to this).

The guy is still alive, not rotting, he wouldn't agree it's suicide, he has a frostbitten nose, it's on-topic...

I think very few people have a problem with it (I don't). I'm going to let it stand. I suggest you don't follow that thread and get the information elsewhere.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #516 on: December 03, 2019, 06:29:07 PM »
OK. Thanks for checking anyway.

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he wouldn't agree it's suicide

How is this not a suicide mission? Is he superman?

A superman with a gun to shoot polar bears mind you ...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #517 on: December 03, 2019, 09:12:45 PM »
rotting bodies of people who commit suicide on camera for the likes on Instagram
blumenkraft, you are legit one of my favourite posters on this forum, but with all due respect I think you're out to lunch on this one.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #518 on: December 04, 2019, 09:44:07 AM »
The warnings for that picture included the subforum name (Arctic expeditions) and the thread name.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #519 on: December 13, 2019, 02:50:23 PM »
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #520 on: December 27, 2019, 07:34:16 AM »
I tried to make an adjustment to a post in "Population: Public Enemy No.1" but was unable to modify a post from 21 Dec.
I see the same thing in "2019 CO2 emissions".
These posts are more than 48 hours old.

Can I get permission to please modify a post of mine from the 21th?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #521 on: December 27, 2019, 07:56:56 AM »
Perhaps send Neven a PM?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #522 on: December 27, 2019, 08:21:08 AM »
nanning
Why don't you cut and paste your post  edit it and re post it with a note of explanation.
Anyone reading the thread will see the change .

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nanning tried to make an adjustment to a post in "Population: Public Enemy No.1" but was unable to modify a post from 21 Dec.
nanning see the same thing in "2019 CO2 emissions".
These posts are more than 48 hours old.
Edited for effect ....


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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #523 on: January 09, 2020, 08:13:37 PM »
We have a lot of cool stats, but do we know something about the age structure of this forum?

I would think we are all rather beyond 40 and younger folks are the minority?

Would a poll on the topic be appropriate?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #524 on: January 09, 2020, 08:33:31 PM »
OK boomer.
 ;D
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I would expect the average age on here to  be around 50.
The same goes for those who comment on the climate blogs I follow like ATTP, hot whopper, open mind, climate crocks, skeptical science  and real climate. 
Don't know why its mostly us oldies on such blogs .

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #525 on: January 09, 2020, 09:02:06 PM »
Yeah, that was what i was wondering about, Kiwiboomer. ;)  ;D
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #526 on: January 09, 2020, 09:07:45 PM »
Yeah, that was what i was wondering about, Kiwiboomer. ;)  ;D
The young mostly use social media - written short messages + talking to each other.

Us oldies are more likely to write stuff. I can't even be bothered to let the computer talk to me, though every so often it, and my mobile especially, try to drag me into the 21st century.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #527 on: January 10, 2020, 02:27:12 PM »
Well, a forum is also social media in the broad sense, but i get your point, Gerontocrat.

This is very not mainstreamy, and the network effect is nothing to be concerned about.

Anyway, it would be nice to have a pied piper piping some young folks in here. Imagine Greta was a member.  8)

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #528 on: January 25, 2020, 03:29:57 PM »
I wish that fellow members will stop quoting the whole previous discussion in their post.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #529 on: January 25, 2020, 04:01:58 PM »
Yeah, 100% agree.

Sometimes you could get the impression quoting correctly is only for the gifted...

So here are the golden rules for quoting:

1) Use the quote button so that you get the quote tag with link to the post. Others might want to click on them to get the entire context
1a) Point one is even more important if you reply in another thread. Use the quote header the forum gives you when you click the quote button and copy it over to the new thread
2) Delete all text you are not responding to
3) Delete Youtube and other embedded media links
4) If you screwed up your markup, go back and edit your post. Use the preview button when in doubt
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #530 on: February 28, 2020, 09:38:19 PM »
ASIF returns from the dead - or was it just me?

I was wondering if we all just pretend the forum wasn't down.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #531 on: February 28, 2020, 11:48:01 PM »
I had withdrawal symptoms  :D and could not think of any way to find out if it was just me or every one.

 
 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #532 on: Today at 12:02:20 AM »
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #533 on: Today at 05:04:18 AM »
Neven, you owe me a new F5 key, goddammit.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #534 on: Today at 07:26:15 AM »
Great that Neven and Dungeonmaster managed to get the site up and running again. Thank you guys for the successful effort.
I wonder what has happened. A DDOS?

KiwiGriff, I would have emailed blumenkraft and asked him if he's experiencing the same. Do you have email addresses of forum members?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #535 on: Today at 07:46:46 AM »
Great that Neven and Dungeonmaster managed to get the site up and running again. Thank you guys for the successful effort.
I wonder what has happened. A DDOS?
I just assumed it was unannounced maintenance of the forum, that has happened before.

'Database error' might even be a result of a single digit copied wrong during regular backups.
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