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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #300 on: August 10, 2019, 07:28:05 AM »
Neven, I feel so bad for your unfortunate loss this summer.  I feel equally bad that in your absence these forums have divulged into childish BS.  This forum was your creation, and is an important part of the study of AGW that is watched by many people worldwide.

My blood pressure rises every time I log on because there is almost no real science being discussed anymore.   Even on the main threads, people are pushing crazy theories that anyone who studies this stuff knows are wrong.  That makes these forums look bad when outsiders look in to see what people are saying.

Oren is probably the most knowledgeable person left who still regularly posts.  But he is so nice that people ignore him even when he tries to point out errors and put down fights. 

I know that this forum is yours and you have always managed it yourself.  However, I think if you would make Oren, or someone like him, a moderator and give them some authority it would make people listen to him and make your life easier, and make these forums better. 

I thank you very much for what you have created!   I am in no way trying to be critical, but I think if you enlisted some help it would make things easier for you and better for your audience. 

Just my thoughts.  Thank you again for all of your hard work!   

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #301 on: August 10, 2019, 10:18:40 PM »
Thanks, Rod. I guess that a forum follows certain patterns as it grows, probably following a bell curve. The forum was always meant to direct superfluous and distracting energy away from the blog. In a sense, it also drew me away from the blog. Maybe, at some point, I'll have to hand it over to people who are willing to do the work. I'm not much of a team player, so it's all or nothing for me.
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« Reply #302 on: August 10, 2019, 10:46:25 PM »
I guess that a forum follows certain patterns as it grows, probably following a bell curve.
My experience was that as it gets more popular, a helluva lot more noise gets introduced. There's no simple + 100% satisfactory way to deal with that, either. Comes down to either living with a certain noise level or cutting a lot of people loose. Either way, the boat will get rocked.
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In a sense, it also drew me away from the blog.
It pulled me away from IRL way too much. I was either working on the site, at my "real" job, or getting a couple of hours of sleep (sometimes). And that was with a crew of 4-8 moderators. (full disclosure: I ran a site for many years, which had over 300,000 active users at its height)

People don't realize how time-consuming doing something like this is, let alone how intrinsically personal it can get, as well.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #303 on: August 10, 2019, 11:29:56 PM »
Despite the idea being irrelevant, I find the need to respond to Rod.

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Oren is probably the most knowledgeable person left who still regularly posts. 
I was honestly surprised to read this, luckily for me and for the forum it's not true, there are many here who know 10 times better and deeper than me.
As for the rest, TBH I don't always see with Neven eye to eye (though I respect him immensely), with the proof being the proliferation of the political threads, and the tolerance for Lurk before he finally and thankfully left. In addition, Neven has a golden touch in moderating, which I have no chance of emulating. I'd be too biased towards my own opinions. So Neven is right to take the all or nothing approach.

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« Reply #304 on: August 11, 2019, 03:47:31 AM »
Understood Neven.  And, again, thank you for this wonderful website. It is the last thing I look at before I go to sleep and the first thing I check when I wake up in the morning. 

I am old enough to have been involved in the internet since it was born.  I know from other forums I have participated in that it is very hard for one person to moderate all of the BS.  But, if anyone can do it, you can.

Thanks again for this great website!   I will just try my best to ignore the crazy people posts. 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #305 on: August 12, 2019, 12:17:16 AM »
And what’s with the Politics? Do you think you know me?
Is that the reason why you jump?
Dark beings around it seems.
Conservatives always play the victim, as you are.

This was published in the melting season thread. It is the worst kind of off-topic that I can expect. A personal attack, based on my political affiliation about which this person doesn't know really.

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Yet, your posting history shows plenty of bullying and baseless over-conservative claims, backed by rudeness and an aversion to facts that disprove your pet theories.

And you are a good example of bullying, baseless claims, rudeness and aversion to facts! YOU DONT KNOW ME. You are like Trump, you accuse others of your worse inclinations.

Somehow I suspect you are the "bad" alter-ego of another old-time member, that is unleashed when the member receives a disgusting response or something... I would not be surprised that, if this is the case, the original member is also pretty uncapable of bringing real stuff to the table.

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Again, you were proven wrong in the data thread which you attempted to derail, and you couldn’t care less. You think it’s your god-given right to be overly-Conservative and critical of others who are actually trying to put the puzzle pieces together.

Whatever, I was trying to contribute with something, pointing to NDSIC area data and Bremen Charts.

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So much nonsense that you post...
No apologies, no reflection, no remorse.
Probably a Baby Boomer too.

Yeah, I have also reviewed the kind of posting of you do, and I am appalled. I am appalled that a person with such bilis, obsession with what he/she thinks conservatives, attacks with the intention to bullying, has not been banned many years ago. I hope it is not because of your political inclinations give you a free pass over the years.

And I am going to go ahead and make a favor to the forum, and request Neven that you are banned from it. I am curious to know what Neven has to say about this member that

- Has little or never really contributed with something minimally interesting.
- Has dedicated all the effort over the years to insult, bully, and try to marginalise members.
- Disrupts threads with off-topic political insults and all kinds of ad-hominems.

 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #306 on: August 12, 2019, 01:18:09 AM »
pot · kettle · black

I'd ban all kitchenware from the Cryosphere sub-forum, at this point. Or just scrap the forum entirely & stick to the blog only. Seems our primal instinct of throwing feces at each other from our respective branches is far from behind us yet. All we've done is name the behaviour [ego] & make excuses for it. So sad to see it propagating on such an objective/science-oriented board such as this.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #307 on: August 12, 2019, 01:20:16 AM »
The ignore function is your friend

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« Reply #308 on: August 12, 2019, 01:34:05 AM »
The ignore function is your friend

As are you.  :]  The quotes keep popping up, though. However, I may have an old greasemokey script kicking about on one of my drives, which I used on an other board - it was a custom ignore list which also blocked quotes. I'm not too keen on re-learning scripting, though, if it's far from compatible as-is. No time now; the rain is letting up & I have tons of bucked-up firewood that is beckoning towards my axe.   :)

But I'm reminded: A rule I had on my old board regarding politics: No political threads/posts/barbs are allowed outside of the "Serious Discussion" sub-forum. Doing so will result in instant & entire post deletion. Repeat offenders will be dealt with accordingly. Yeah, we were a bit draconian - but it worked a charm & only the "pot-stirrers" complained while everyone else loved it.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #309 on: August 12, 2019, 01:46:28 AM »
I had fun once putting together an IRC bot that would kick you out everytime you would not behave with an appropriate response from a huge list spewing with sarcasm...
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« Reply #310 on: August 12, 2019, 04:02:07 AM »
haha Damn, IRC - been a while. All I ever did was make a bunch of different hotkeyed kickban messages. No scripts. Unless getting a dev to make a beer-serving bot counts.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #311 on: August 13, 2019, 01:29:40 AM »
I don’t know Neven. I see most of teaPotty’s several provocative messages (he started this) are clean of scissor action, and you snip the single one I did? I am more angry at you rather than at this element. And you know why? Because the history of this guy goes back to 2013 and you’ve not done much about him.

Sure way to eliminate unaligned members based on politics is discouraging them one way or another, like, what happened to Rob Dekker? Cause he’d be appalled of being censored in a political discussion several times by the person that is discussing with him. What kind of dialogue is that? What kind of Forum? It’s bullying. No wonder he disappeared, you surely keep a smirk when remembering it, but he was so clever. And You bullied him out, with your stupid Governor power or a digital database full of BS.

For the record I have voted socialist in Spain forever, but, oh, the kind that condemn Maduro, and of course those are too conservative, aren’t they? So let’s this TeaPotty bark...

Your blog had quite some altitude, and relevance. Enabling this kind of bullying based on politics, directly or thru others, your Forum is going to hell. Perhaps it’s what you want. Yeah, be back at the blog, you’re very good at it.

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« Reply #312 on: August 13, 2019, 07:14:59 AM »
Its too bad Sterks decided to leave the Forum. Personally, I don't understand why Tea Potty was allowed to continue his ad hominem attacks on Sterks without any corrective action from you Neven.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #313 on: August 13, 2019, 08:15:22 AM »
My interpretation:
Sterks shouldn't have posted his personal fight with Neven here for all to see. I think that's disrespectful and unconsidering (We know Neven is in a difficult and stressful period because of family reasons).
Yes, Sterks had good contributions so that's too bad.
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« Reply #314 on: August 13, 2019, 11:03:06 AM »
My interpretation:
Sterks shouldn't have posted his personal fight with Neven here for all to see. I think that's disrespectful and unconsidering (We know Neven is in a difficult and stressful period because of family reasons).
Yes, Sterks had good contributions so that's too bad.
Warning: stay away from political discussions!  ;D ::)

I agree.

I don't touch any threads outside this one, the forum humour thread, and the Cryosphere sub-forum. From what I've seen of sterks & teapotty is their off-colour crud is quite similar. You know what? You shouldn't engage in such childish crap. Don't acknowledge it at all; simply report it & move along. They will be the one getting the boot, in time. That's the smart & more civil way to handle it. Don't let them drag you down to their level. Seems that's what happened here.

Personally, I post like my mom might be reading. Not like how I drive.  8)

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« Reply #315 on: August 13, 2019, 12:16:00 PM »
.. never as haphazard as your name implies ... :) b.c.
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« Reply #316 on: August 13, 2019, 01:32:44 PM »
For Greeks political argument is like argument for ones favorite team of soccer. Lots of word fight and loud arguments but in the end most is all ok. The trick is not to take it way too personally..especially over the damn internet..

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« Reply #317 on: August 13, 2019, 03:53:30 PM »
I can't follow every thread out there, not even the melting season thread, which gets I don't know how many posts every day. If there's a problem, it will eventually get to me and then I solve it.

As for this particular tempest, I didn't even read it from start to finish. My guess is that TeaPotty is of the more alarmed type and when he saw your posts about refreezing, he probably figured you were implying that the melting was over. Why otherwise would one announce that there is surface refreezing over part of the Arctic? It's like saying the sky is blue.

But maybe it didn't start that way, or something had already happened before that. If you want, I can read back, and then maybe express a better opinion.

Either way, this is what it is all about:

You know what? You shouldn't engage in such childish crap. Don't acknowledge it at all; simply report it & move along. They will be the one getting the boot, in time. That's the smart & more civil way to handle it. Don't let them drag you down to their level. Seems that's what happened here.

That's exactly what happened, and I then received moderator reports about Sterks' righteous indignation. Of course, I should have just ignored those and followed Sterks' order to ban TeaPotty.

I certainly don't need trolls on this forum, but what I need even less, is people throwing a tantrum and then walking out and banging the door shut (some of them deleting all their comments and threads). I'm willing to bend for people and cut slack, but not if they don't know how to behave on the stupid Internet.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #318 on: August 13, 2019, 04:15:09 PM »
The pattern with TeaPotty is always the same. If you don't scream and yell that everything is totally fucked up you are a denier - just like that. And then they will attack you no matter how true it is what you said.

I'm sad Sterks is gone.

I would not be sad if TeaPotty was gone.
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« Reply #319 on: August 13, 2019, 04:22:20 PM »
For Greeks political argument is like argument for ones favorite team of soccer. Lots of word fight and loud arguments but in the end most is all ok. The trick is not to take it way too personally..especially over the damn internet..

Injustice is hard to swallow, in real live and on the internet.

I understand why Sterks felt alone against the bad actor. I was in the same situation before. I'm not following the melting season thread very much because it's anarchy there. And i bet some of the most knowledgeable people on the forum don't follow it either because of the same reason. No wonder the trolls always win...
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« Reply #320 on: August 13, 2019, 05:15:18 PM »
but then again bl . Sterks was well capable of dishing (sh)it out ..

  .. and Sterks .. I'm assuming you are reading this .. I would truely miss your informative posts .

  .. and Neven .. I know that with dedicated moderation ASIF would be a wonderful place to come for info only : yet I am glad that it's not , as it has become a more multi-demensional historical document than a measure of the decline of area and extent

  .. and me .. I know that there are regulars here who would help .. perhaps ask for volunteers among us who can flag up behaviour that is to the detriment of the good workings of a forum .. Neven could then look into it . In the meantime these volunteers could be sending friendly advisory pm's to those involved . This is all it would take for the Arctic-team to hold together a great forum that was still 'alive' as well as informative .  b.c.
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« Reply #321 on: August 13, 2019, 05:23:41 PM »
but then again bl . Sterks was well capable of dishing (sh)it out ..

  .. and Sterks .. I'm assuming you are reading this .. I would truely miss your informative posts .

  .. and Neven .. I know that with dedicated moderation ASIF would be a wonderful place to come for info only : yet I am glad that it's not , as it has become a more multi-demensional historical document than a measure of the decline of area and extent

  .. and me .. I know that there are regulars here who would help .. perhaps ask for volunteers among us who can flag up behaviour that is to the detriment of the good workings of a forum .. Neven could then look into it . In the meantime these volunteers could be sending friendly advisory pm's to those involved . This is all it would take for the Arctic-team to hold together a great forum that was still 'alive' as well as informative .  b.c.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #322 on: August 13, 2019, 05:39:15 PM »
For Greeks political argument is like argument for ones favorite team of soccer. Lots of word fight and loud arguments but in the end most is all ok. The trick is not to take it way too personally..especially over the damn internet..

Injustice is hard to swallow, in real live and on the internet.

I understand why Sterks felt alone against the bad actor. I was in the same situation before. I'm not following the melting season thread very much because it's anarchy there. And i bet some of the most knowledgeable people on the forum don't follow it either because of the same reason. No wonder the trolls always win...

I like your responses for two reasons: because there's an emotional component in all of us that cannot be quenched and should be more respected, and you are very empathic to that. And because there is an undeniable troll problem.

On the other hand (and I don't want to throw trash over a user that just left this morning), but Sterks should have ignored this user, or waited for moderation. Sterks himself sometimes answered in a harsh way (or that's the impression I got), and it is now clear that he felt also unhappy about broader aspects of the forum. This can be traced to going to the political threads: my opinion is to avoid them as if they were malignant snakes.

On the other hand, the trolls. Sterks showed very little patience with TeaPotty, but he had a point that there is a number of elements that do not contribute, except for trowing obstacles here and there, and usually based on strongly political stances. I would recommend those elements be put on moderation at least, especially if they simply don't contribute otherwise with time.

The emotional component is important. I used to contribute as "seaicesailor" from about 2014 to 2017, when one day I simply got so angry with everybody and with myself. Simply because I was too invested in watching 2017 melt out, which was not happening, and I got frustrated with most of the forum and myself wanting to see signs of meltout that simply did not exist. An idiotic reaction? Definitely :-| but I was a bit of a drug-addict, and I was discovering I was being given methadone when I was expecting heroine.

There is a problem of being too emotionally invested to an Internet Forum that is specialized to watch and dissect a disaster of gigantic proportions in very slow motion. But a tornado, a tsunami, is nothing like this. It is like a long-term drug, like alcohol, or whatnot. This time I am trying hard to keep the Forum under a more limited investment of time, energy and emotions, and I recommend the same to people around, also try to be kinder between each other. Something that I hope to follow myself.

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« Reply #323 on: August 13, 2019, 05:39:43 PM »
  .. and me ..

You, my friend, are going to shake hands with Rich. And this is all i'm going to say about that.  :P
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« Reply #324 on: August 13, 2019, 05:50:22 PM »
I agree. Good idea b.c. The way you describe it, it could work I think. Does the forum software have to be modified for that? Or can we contrive of an alternative way for these sub-moderators to send the flags to Neven? The danger is that some sub-moderators are too strict and overload Neven.
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« Reply #325 on: August 13, 2019, 05:56:56 PM »

Thanks for the kind words and sharing, Sailor. :)
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« Reply #326 on: August 13, 2019, 05:58:32 PM »
Neven, would it help you when we report posts we feel should be moderated?
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« Reply #327 on: August 13, 2019, 06:16:47 PM »
I wish Sterks well in his post-ASIF journey and trust that they are making the right decision for themselves.

It seems to me that the core activity here is sharing information pertaining to the imminent collapse of civilization. It's not a community which is raging against the dying of the light, it's the chronicle of looming darkness.

For some people, they're better off not hanging out here. If you're reading this...good luck Sterks.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #328 on: August 13, 2019, 07:09:12 PM »

  .. and me .. I know that there are regulars here who would help .. perhaps ask for volunteers among us who can flag up behaviour that is to the detriment of the good workings of a forum.

Hmmm. A rare genuine post from bc.

Volunteering to be the guy who finds fault in others and be part of the virtual pitchforks and torches committee.

You missed your niche buddy. Historically, you would have been a great fit as a Salem witch prosecutor. You don't need to volunteer for the role of vigilante here, you're already playing that role.

I'm guessing that if Neven ever chooses to delegate authority here, he won't be deputizing people whose comments are 90% smart ass.

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« Reply #329 on: August 13, 2019, 07:18:09 PM »
The trick is not to take it way too personally..especially over the damn internet..

That's just it, isn't it. But a lot of folks take even the slightest non-personal disagreement as a personal attack. I just don't get it. Here's a very recent simple example I just read in the Melting Thread:



 :o  "I cannot possibly be wrong!" followed by ad hominem drivel. If you read the preceding posts, there is nothing even remotely off-colour. Only calm reasonable posting of data & thoughts.

I don't understand why many adults turn into witless children when there's a keyboard put between themselves & the rest of the world.  :-\

[post post-preview edit] Just saw the most recent post above me... I give up.  :-[

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #330 on: August 13, 2019, 07:26:07 PM »
Neven, would it help you when we report posts we feel should be moderated?

Of course, and I get reports almost every day. But I don't and won't and always act on them.

Transferring 'power' from me as sole dictator to a team of wise men/women would only work if all of politics is banned from the ASIF (which would probably be a very difficult thing to do). I'm a good team player when I don't feel like all responsibility rests on my shoulders.

Case in point: I asked Jim Pettit last year (or was it two years ago) if he could help me out a bit with moderating. And so he did. But then the Russiagate stuff put a wedge between us, even if we never debated it between ourselves. I was far more lenient with those who questioned the whole narrative, because I questioned it myself as well.

But anyway, to return to the topic at hand. I was once part of a sports forum, where different categories would have their own moderators to keep an eye on things. We could do that here as well, if there would be volunteers to try to keep discussions on-topic and report to me when things get out of hand. But again, what happens when things get out of hand in debates that I'm partaking in?  ;)

I'd also be willing to part with 'power' and hand the ASIF over to a group of people, or even a single person, who are interested in running it. Due to my father's demise, my life might change radically in months/years to come, and I could need all my energy to try to make a change on a real world/community level.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #331 on: August 13, 2019, 07:27:47 PM »
Here's a very recent simple example I just read in the Melting Thread:

Right, I'm going to go over there, see who wrote that and put him (has to be a him, right?) on moderation.

edit: Ah, it's bbr. I don't want to put him on moderation, as he's improved so much from earlier days (even though people are still on him because of that). But maybe next time.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #332 on: August 13, 2019, 07:28:46 PM »
Like if you are right you are going to get the Nobel prize or sth...

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« Reply #333 on: August 13, 2019, 07:43:01 PM »
Right, I'm going to go over there, see who wrote that and put him (has to be a him, right?) on moderation.
I learned long ago that, when online, it's safer to use "they" than "him/her". haha

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edit: Ah, it's bbr. I don't want to put him on moderation, as he's improved so much from earlier days (even though people are still on him because of that). But maybe next time.
Funny thing & full disclosure: I have only 2 people on ignore, and they both served as examples in my post. Go figure!  ;D  (I saw a post that contained the words "ice age" with a bbr reply right after it, so I just had to take a peek  ;)  )

@  DrTskoul : Indeed.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #334 on: August 13, 2019, 08:06:45 PM »
I'm not following the melting season thread very much because it's anarchy there. And i bet some of the most knowledgeable people on the forum don't follow it either because of the same reason. No wonder the trolls always win...

That is BS.

You can just scroll to the interesting graphs and GIFs.
Or as you scroll down the first thing you see top left is avatar/poster.
You can easily filter on that.
And it is easy to spot a 7 post long metadiscussion with every third post ending in ´lets end this metadiscussion´.

It´s stuff that happens on the net. And that is why people invented the scroll wheel on the mouse.

And you should never let the trolls win so that means not playing their game.
Don´t take the bait.

In general.
Forums are a great way to discuss ideas. Apparently some people get really emotional when their theory gets get shot down while that makes no sense. Sometimes an idea is just not correct and if you know that you know more then before.

There is also sometimes too much emotional investment in the comments on the main melt thread. Or maybe other reasons why certain people accuse others of a certain bias. Just say what will be different in the time frame (usually a week or so in melt thread) and follow up on it a week after. Just talk about the mechanisms that are wrong. We readers can think about peoples motivation ourselves or not even care if the track record is really bad.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #335 on: August 13, 2019, 08:15:05 PM »
You can just scroll to the interesting graphs and GIFs.

That's what i did and that's what made me miss the conflict.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #336 on: August 13, 2019, 08:25:02 PM »
[post post-preview edit] Just saw the most recent post above me... I give up.  :-[

sigh...  :-[
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« Reply #337 on: August 13, 2019, 09:35:14 PM »
And that is why people invented the scroll wheel on the mouse.

:D

People could also help Neven without a formal process, e.g. simply by detouring off-topic conversations (including politics and ad hominem contact sports) to sub-threads. If people don't oblige, send Neven a report.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #338 on: August 14, 2019, 01:44:19 AM »


I'd also be willing to part with 'power' and hand the ASIF over to a group of people, or even a single person, who are interested in running it. Due to my father's demise, my life might change radically in months/years to come, and I could need all my energy to try to make a change on a real world/community level.
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Good that you recognize that you might not want to do this forever. Succession planning is useful.

I think this community has value and is worth maintaining. It's a place where there is no stigma attached to being a doomer and there is good knowledge sharing to go along with the crap.

I think there are a handful of people here who contribute regular content that make this a worthwhile place to visit. People like yourself, Gerontocrat, Aluminum, Wipneus', Oren, Uniquorn, Frivolous, AbruptSLR and a few others (apologies if I omitted anyone) create the core of what brings people here.

If you are going to seriously consider walking away, I would give those core contributors an outsized voice in selecting the way forward. If they leave, ASIF may go the way of Bering Sea Ice.

You are by and large a well respected leader here. Not easy to replace.

I credit you for making a prior experiment with delegating moderating responsibilities and suggest that you consider trying again if you're on the fence.

My $.02 to everyone here is that AGW and ecological collapse is upon us. If there is a battle station somewhere where you can make a difference, find it and rage against the dying of the light. Don't be a bystander.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #339 on: August 14, 2019, 06:15:51 AM »
You can just scroll to the interesting graphs and GIFs.

That's what i did and that's what made me miss the conflict.

Interesting is a highly subjective thing. And after a while it becomes boring to object people who are convinced of their interpretation of Arctic AGW and post graphs that cannot be used to support their interpretation of them. I've been out of the 'season'-thread now for almost 2 years.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #340 on: August 14, 2019, 08:50:03 AM »
<snip>
That's just it, isn't it. But a lot of folks take even the slightest non-personal disagreement as a personal attack. I just don't get it. Here's a very recent simple example I just read in the Melting Thread:
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[post post-preview edit] Just saw the most recent post above me... I give up.  :-[
I completely agree HapHazard, but too bad you 'give up'. It'll never be perfect.
Rich gave a very good example of how it should NOT be done. A personal crusade against b.c.? Bad boy!

When posting, if people don't see the nastiness of their personal attacks and wordings, perhaps they need to learn some
empathy
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« Reply #341 on: August 14, 2019, 11:04:35 AM »
<snip>
That's just it, isn't it. But a lot of folks take even the slightest non-personal disagreement as a personal attack. I just don't get it. Here's a very recent simple example I just read in the Melting Thread:
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[post post-preview edit] Just saw the most recent post above me... I give up.  :-[
I completely agree HapHazard, but too bad you 'give up'. It'll never be perfect.
Rich gave a very good example of how it should NOT be done. A personal crusade against b.c.? Bad boy!

When posting, if people don't see the nastiness of their personal attacks and wordings, perhaps they need to learn some
empathy

b.c. put himself out there by publicly asking for a position of power here at ASIF. I'm just attempting to treat him / her in the manner they've treated me. If b.c. is going to stand by his assertion that I'm a troll, then they can expect criticism in return. (Hint: I would welcome a retraction)

blumenkraft and sterks left because they wanted to be protected from certain bully behavior that they felt was out of bounds. bl came back. The message at ASIF is you need to fight your own battles.

If you or anyone else want to endorse b.c.'s application for moderator responsibilities, feel free.


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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #342 on: August 14, 2019, 11:49:09 AM »
Rich .. I made no application .. I shared a thought , a way forward to lessen disruptive arrivals in the forum and all the collateral damage they cause .

 If you read the meaning of troll on wiki you would find all the traits have been exhibited by you . Ok .. you apologised for your earlier behaviour but did little to moderate it . If you did I might find fewer folk letting me know they have blocked you . Why do people block you ? ? ?

All I've ever asked for was a little forum decorum . b.c.


 
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« Reply #343 on: August 14, 2019, 12:06:44 PM »
Rich, I don't think it is about "a position of 'power'". That interpretation and why you feel the need to "treat him / her in the manner they've treated me" are wrong. This is a sure recipe for battles and fighting. Some people are over-sensitive, have low self-esteem and are bellicose.
This is what we on this forum must try to change.
To all culprits: Try to be a better human, to have emotional control (be rational and reasonable) and think about respecting the other and not using language that may infuriate others or use personal attacks/denigration.
If there is a smothering potential fire, don't add oil to the fire!
Practice empathy, open welcoming communication and respect, awareness of different interpretations, self-reflection and the will to improve. Be kind and nice.
Theses idea about 'power', 'status', fighting and battles are damaging to yourself and others.

If b.c. thinks you are a troll, ... wait for it ....  LET HIM BE, WHAT DO YOU CARE. you can ask for arguments, preferably via PM, but if there's no agreement, leave it that.

This is not all meant just for you Rich. More of a general, well-meant explanation of how I see it.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #344 on: August 14, 2019, 01:10:13 PM »
<snip, I'm getting really tired of the tone and the righteous indignation people are exhibiting. This comment is yet another example of that. I think I'm going to put everyone who exhibits a tone I don't like on moderation for the time being. Of course, having to approve their comments is even more work, so if they just keep going with the tone, I'll ban them; N.>
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #345 on: August 14, 2019, 01:27:39 PM »
The message at ASIF is you need to fight your own battles.

You really don't get it. If there is a message, it would be: Don't fight.
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« Reply #346 on: August 14, 2019, 01:39:20 PM »
all I'm saying Rich is that it should be that you would prefer to behave in a manner that did not encourage people to block you . A forum operates better when everyone is reading everyone's posts . I don't block people .. you were one of the few who made me wish I did .
  The post I relayed was from you to everyone . I only ensured it reached your target audience .

You can call me the 'class clown' or the 'village idiot' ad nauseum .. it only makes me smile .. I have other concerns  .. as you should have too .. b.c.

p.s. .. wot Neven said .. ^^ ..
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« Reply #347 on: August 14, 2019, 03:27:05 PM »
Simple rule of thumb which has served me well.   I still mess up sometimes, but try to read my post after it is written and ask myself "Would I say this to my children or spouse?"   If I wouldn't, I try to change it to something I would say to them...

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #348 on: August 14, 2019, 03:44:55 PM »
The Golden Rule

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #349 on: August 14, 2019, 06:23:23 PM »
Rich too has deleted his account... :-\
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