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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #500 on: December 02, 2019, 07:40:06 PM »
I emphatize with your feelings blumenkraft.
But should we stop reporting because you can't handle it?

Sorry for asking!
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #501 on: December 02, 2019, 08:01:22 PM »
RE: This!
Could we please, please stop reporting on this suicide? Or perhaps at least with a trigger warning and without such pictures?

I can't handle this shit. Seriously, just can't!
The attached image (Typhoon 29W (Kammuri)) guarantees destruction to many and probably death to quite a few, but does not generate much of an emotional response.

We respond much more when individuals are involved and we have an image of that individual.

Perhaps that is why we can debate how many millions (billions?) of humankind are facing destruction and likely early death from AGW and other environmental damage in the remainder of this century.

Stalin is credited with saying "a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”.

I really didn't expect a salin quote and whataboutism as a response to me asking politely but here we are...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #502 on: December 02, 2019, 08:42:10 PM »
A few  persons die in a stabbing on London bridge and it gets headlines for days 6,000 miles away
Hundreds die somewhere poor  and it might make a few lines buried among the adds if you are lucky.
The weather catastrophe porn is important on sites like this or we simply do not get informed about them.

The economic costs of climate change  ignores the pain and suffering we are inflicting on the poor. A few homes  in a rich place flooding is given many times more weight than a thousand being destroyed in Bangladesh. 

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #503 on: December 02, 2019, 08:49:28 PM »
I really didn't expect a salin quote and whataboutism as a response to me asking politely but here we are...
I also have problems when looking at the suffering of individuals. I have to force myself to do it. Part of the long-term therapy, but that is personal history.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #504 on: December 02, 2019, 08:52:00 PM »
I only asked for not posting potentially traumatising, graphic content.

How could this derail like that?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #505 on: December 02, 2019, 09:00:59 PM »
I only asked for not posting potentially traumatising, graphic content.

How could this derail like that?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #506 on: December 02, 2019, 09:02:24 PM »
ya...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #507 on: December 02, 2019, 09:52:54 PM »
What thread should this particular derail get posted in?

If one posts a question, posting an answer/explanation is fair game.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #508 on: December 02, 2019, 10:21:58 PM »
I suppose you can differentiate between hard science threads and social ones .

A thread on 2019 Mauna Loa CO2 levels is not an appropriate place for half a dozen members to have an involved discussion on ocean heat content.
 Not only does it clog the thread detracting from its purpose it also means any significant content on the off topic topic is lost to prosperity.

A few asides would be acceptable, to most. on any thread. When you have a page or more of chatter on a hard science  thread not so.

Propose or Answer a tangential question or add some snark or humor, OK. if it gets more involved suggest shifting to a more appropriate thread.

I am not trying to make rules just attempting to generate discussion on something  I see as important for the health of this forum. 
 
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #509 on: December 03, 2019, 11:04:27 AM »
I like that.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #510 on: December 03, 2019, 01:32:15 PM »
I don't know what you will do, but on the Furry forum they asked I call them "Reasonable Skeptics" on both fora. I will try to call them skeptics. I try to be fair in vocabulary, calling my opponents in another issue "prochoice" even as they refuse to call me "prolife" instead of "antichoice". "Denier" may be pedantically correct, but the deniers of a certain historical fact have tainted that term. So I will just call them skeptics. Even when they call us "warmmongers". Or "watermelons" (green on the outside, red on the inside).

EDIT: I've been calling us "AGWphobes" on the Furry forum (although the weather Dec-Feb here in Twinsburg sorely tempts me to be an AGWphile). Do you have a better term?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #511 on: December 03, 2019, 02:42:36 PM »
Climate risk deniers, because that's what they do: Deny that there is any risk involved with AGW. As soon as they admit that there is potential risk, they know they are in trouble. So, zero risk.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #512 on: December 03, 2019, 04:56:56 PM »
Neven, how do you feel about posting pictures of rotting bodies of people who commit suicide on camera for the likes on Instagram? Is this content the forum needs per se?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #513 on: December 03, 2019, 05:29:44 PM »
I haven't seen those pictures. Where were they posted?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #514 on: December 03, 2019, 05:39:20 PM »
One picture.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2886.msg239192.html#msg239192

I asked for a trigger warning for such content (or not to post it at all ideally). I think it's not too much to ask for. For me, it was traumatising to see this shit.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #515 on: December 03, 2019, 06:03:21 PM »
Okay, seen it now (had already seen it, but didn't know you referred to this).

The guy is still alive, not rotting, he wouldn't agree it's suicide, he has a frostbitten nose, it's on-topic...

I think very few people have a problem with it (I don't). I'm going to let it stand. I suggest you don't follow that thread and get the information elsewhere.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #516 on: December 03, 2019, 06:29:07 PM »
OK. Thanks for checking anyway.

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he wouldn't agree it's suicide

How is this not a suicide mission? Is he superman?

A superman with a gun to shoot polar bears mind you ...
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #517 on: December 03, 2019, 09:12:45 PM »
rotting bodies of people who commit suicide on camera for the likes on Instagram
blumenkraft, you are legit one of my favourite posters on this forum, but with all due respect I think you're out to lunch on this one.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #518 on: December 04, 2019, 09:44:07 AM »
The warnings for that picture included the subforum name (Arctic expeditions) and the thread name.

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