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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1400 on: September 26, 2020, 10:03:57 PM »
PLEASE,  BAN BBR231# AGAIN.   

(Channeling my inner Buddy).    He is dragging the S/N down into the depths.   

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In the good old days this thread would have never existed and hoax science being repeated alongside political blathering would have been deleted entirely. And that's 95% of the posts here.
   

Well, if 95% is incorrect why can he not just abandon posting to it.  Trust me, I have seen some messiah complexes in the non-violent civil dis crowd.  Does he really think that he can change the posting habits or base beliefs of the posters.  It is ridiculous.  People post hard science from reputable sources and and he goes off  on his whirling dervishes of counterclaim, dismissal and changing goal posts  for the most part with no outside sources.   

An absolute total rant about a Lancet article and a huge quibble about the date, pre print versus   official posting.   It went on and on.   And then he sandags back down.   

No, not a short time out.   At least another year again.  The last time around with Canadian glaciers, it appeared clear to me that that particular monomania could not be abated or lessened.   Here we go again for another monomania with even less posts from reputable sources. 

And YES, I had his posts blanked out in his other incarnation, and I have it here also.  But the sheer volume of his screeds and the low quality of the quotes I see posted by others - please.   

Locally we have high school football and volleyball teams that are suddenly at risk of fielding a team.  My work place with the mentallly challenged and every other licensed facility in Northen Iowa is battening down the hatches.  We are going to N-95s and people are starting face shields also.   We had been using cloth masks since April.  Please, I could use a little more sane posting in the COVID section because I want to read fact based scientific posts about what is going on.   We have 3 workers in one house over 60. a fair number in other houses and then a fair number of women with small children.   50 plus hour weeks all too often. Please,   "Yush gvul".   

Yes, years ago I was told I had done wrong about posting a new thread to Other.   I did not post for a year after that.   BBR does not even know how to blush.   

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1401 on: September 26, 2020, 10:10:45 PM »
So, in conclusion: I should be banned for discrediting misinformation in a single thread in a single subforum that is irrelevant to the actual ASIF.

Thank you longwalks, you are clearly here in good faith and not a member of the Thought Police.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1402 on: September 26, 2020, 11:44:29 PM »
No, you should be put (back) in moderation because of an abusive posting style that is not commensurate with the tradition and spirit of this forum.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1403 on: September 26, 2020, 11:46:39 PM »
No, you should be put (back) in moderation because of an abusive posting style that is not commensurate with the tradition and spirit of this forum.
How is correcting misinformation abusive? Am I living in La-La Land?

Naturally the technocrats shut down the real world and rely on Little Eichmanns like Oren to do the rest on the internet. As if being isolated from almost everyone in my personal life due to manufactured hysteria wasn't enough, you see fit to deem yourself worthy to edit my posts and what should or should not appear, when all I am doing is asking for factual posting of information in a specific thread that is not related to ASIF in any meaningful way, but merely happens to be co-located in "consequences" for some unapparent reason (WTF does a virus accidentally released from a Chinese lab have to do with climate change or sea ice? Why is that a CONSEQUENCE?).

So maybe the correct path forward here would be to put an end to the COVID thread. It is being used to spread misinformation. It has alienated Neven. It is not central to the tenets of the ASIF and is indeed itself "misclassified" in its position on the ASIF.

So, is it me that needs to stop CORRECTING blatantly false headlines that are seemingly condoned by moderation, or is it moderation's job to keep the forum COHESIVE and coherent and to stop the posting of content that is NOT in the spirit of ASIF, e.g., the entirety of the COVID-19 thread in the "Consequences" Forum.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1404 on: September 27, 2020, 02:50:44 AM »
Oren:
I was being antagonistic to the position of A-Team, not the person, since he uses his expertise in the area to construct “express science” pictures of very alarmist scenarios. Many posters swallow his paintings as if it was ex cathedra truth. It is not. He complains of slow science sometimes (and of bothersome contributors, and of a thousand things more, he’s basically a “victim”) but the truth is, slow science is rigorous and true and at the end will save our skin, all the noise here will not, including his beautiful constructions.

I hoped you would have not touched my post, but it’s ok.

A-Team gives numerous references to back up his main points and to educate those of us who want to dig into the details. He is not just dazzling us with beautiful graphics. The "alarmist scenarios" are possible outcomes that are consistent with the data and models at hand. To date, scenarios once presented as most likely by the IPCC have been replaced by ones that are more "alarmist".

Your use of the word "alarmist" makes you sound like a right wing troll. Your abusive comments about posters do as well. Have a nice day.
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My carbon footprint is much under the medium class average in Spain, so abysmally lower than average American, probably you. It’s just that I don’t depend on private transport very much lately.
I am very environmentally conscious, but not to the point of living in a cave or a refuge. I taught my daughter to love and care for the planet.
I find (some) climate alarmists and climate denialists really really annoying.
I don’t like A-Team or you but I had dropped this weeks ago, you want to fight on this now? My plan was to stay away or not create more quarrels and avoid extra work to moderators.
What? Am I a troll for disliking your posts?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1405 on: September 27, 2020, 08:40:28 AM »
FOOW, I believe this was indeed laid to rest weeks ago.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1406 on: September 27, 2020, 10:44:20 AM »
Well that is off topic there since whatever you or A believe is not that important in the grand scheme.
Basically it´s for relevant Tesla news and not all that is posted is that but if it offends you then just skip the thread.
if belief were entirely out of threads then it would be more important to police what threads can be started since belief would be expressed there, as you know this is not the case because knowledge is partial and interpreted both here and more generally, so I don’t think what you described is off topic, unless, of course, only your interpretation of knowledge is the right one

Well that was specific for the Tesla glory/failure thread. That poster X thinks that Musk is satan or something like that has no influence on the actual world.

And in general yes we all believe something but when argueing you would state the reasons/science behind it and go from there.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1407 on: September 27, 2020, 10:55:34 AM »
Reply #1402... not so cute insult. I think you are living in lala land at least a bit and since you can´t help yourself we will.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1408 on: September 27, 2020, 01:39:10 PM »
In the  Aviation thread Kassy wrote:

There was a great article on aviation which i forgot to post luckily ASLR posted it on his thread:


regarding that AbruptSLR has "his thread", the Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE

but surely the SLR will not reach the airplanes?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1409 on: September 27, 2020, 01:52:42 PM »
ASLR's thread is more of a general blog with others' comments interspersed. At some point he decided to stop posting in most threads, and focus his posts in that one thread. Nothing wrong with that. Decisions of what is on and off topic are left for him to decide.
Besides, higher climate forcing from aviation is certainly relevant to SLR.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1410 on: September 27, 2020, 05:11:50 PM »
After being held accountable for his posts in April and May, Shared_Humanity is now spamming the COVID thread with news from random non-reputable websites that is also dated from many months ago. Why is this allowed?

I think I might need a break from this place -- the energy has become truly toxic again, I think it is because Oren is not a critical thinker. His moderation is a cloud on the Forum and has enabled the blogspam BLAHBLAHBLAH complete NON-ANALYTICAL posting style most exemplified by vox_mundi and Shared_Humanity.

Is it because it generates pageviews due to bot traffic? I don't know. But it is not a positive. The melt threads have degraded significantly this season as well, pervaded by deniers, who are not punished but rather, protected (weatherdude88). It is telling that as the melt front on the ATL side has pushed above 85N, the refreeze thread is the one pinned while "melt season" is down below. It may seem insignificant but it is indicative of the lack of critical thought that goes into moderating this Forum in Neven's absence.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1411 on: September 27, 2020, 10:13:48 PM »
oren is one of the best mods I've come across in my decades online; the team here is exemplary, if a little slow to act. But that's because they're a friendly sort. Me, I'm just blunt/curt.

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non-reputable websites
This site risks becoming one as well, if bad actors (be they purposeful or naively ignorant) keep spewing their nonsense here.

I often wish the Cryosphere section existed on its own separate domain, honestly.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1412 on: October 01, 2020, 07:53:09 AM »
It is up to us to call on bullshite.
With evidence from reputable sources preferable peer reviewed and well cited .
Oren is a good mod without question but moderation is not the only way to influence this forums direction.
Effective Moderation depends on a steady hand as Oren has proven to have... some times a good no holds bared kicking from the benches  has as much effect ....
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1413 on: October 01, 2020, 01:06:18 PM »
I agree, KG.

But - gish galloping is extremely draining to fight against. I can't be bothered to counter that, online. (not that I personally could do so here, this forum's focus is outside of my expertise)

Always remember: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is many orders of magnitude larger than the energy needed to produce it. Example: Trump.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1414 on: October 12, 2020, 02:54:21 PM »
The alt-right is an extremely important topic. It is in the appropriate politics section of the forum. It should not be removed.

Please, please moderate the thread appropriately. I find it odd I was asked to not bring up abortion with my opinion yet tom can roll into my thread and derail everything by discussing abortion ad infinitum.

I should hope that everyone who read my thread noted I never stoop to individual attacks even after being called out repeatedly. Ignore tom and move on.

Moderate the thread appropriately.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1415 on: October 12, 2020, 03:27:25 PM »
  I have no plan to remove .. my moderation in such threads is and will remain minimal . As I have said before , pm me or ' report to moderator ' . b.c.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1416 on: October 12, 2020, 03:40:53 PM »
I have made sure new comments from the Alt Right thread no longer appear in the recent posts list on the front page.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1417 on: October 12, 2020, 03:49:01 PM »
Please do the same with Tom's abortion thread
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1418 on: October 12, 2020, 03:52:16 PM »
Me, I don't even pay attention to the recent posts list...at first I didn't even know what you were referring to (months ago). I look over all the threads and post in the ones that interest me. Then I click on [Show new replies to your posts].
What is the standard for excluding threads? High activity? If so, what is the limit?
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1419 on: October 12, 2020, 04:22:43 PM »
A combination of high activity and controversy.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1420 on: October 12, 2020, 08:34:13 PM »
Please do the same with Tom's abortion thread
It is really weird to have a thread entitled Abortion on an Arctic Sea ice Forum.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1421 on: October 12, 2020, 08:56:33 PM »
Think of all the Arctic expeditions that have been aborted.  :P
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1422 on: October 12, 2020, 08:58:05 PM »
Please do the same with Tom's abortion thread
It is really weird to have a thread entitled Abortion on an Arctic Sea ice Forum.
See my most recent reply on that thread for why it is on this forum.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1423 on: October 14, 2020, 10:35:45 PM »
It is inevitable that differences in language, culture and expectation will lead to some conflict on an international forum like this. For what it's worth, I am a middle of the road European style social democrat living in a rural conservative eastern North Carolina, USA. I took on the handle FishOutofWater after moving back to the mainland after living on Kauai for ten years. I missed bodysurfing Hawaiian waves and I was a political misfit in a conservative central North Carolina town.

My sincerest apologies to the world for how American politics got so bad that it's like a global infection. Our deplorable American political situation has led to many conflicts, including ones on this forum, that should have never happened.

This has been a rough year for my family. The U.S. healthcare "system" is a train wreck now and we have been harshly affected by it.

I like this forum because it does not have an American dominated perspective. I don't like echo chambers. The diverse discussions here are much more interesting.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1424 on: October 15, 2020, 09:16:38 AM »
Great personal and informative post FishOutofWater.
No need to apologise for your country's chaos because I presume that you didn't have a hand in it. So you carry no responsibility imo.

Thanks for mentioning that your familiy is harshly affected by your national health care, what ever that term means in the U.S.A.. I think sometimes about the enormous hidden suffering out-of-sight of many millions of your fellow countrypersons of all colours and legalities.
But because I'm poor and chose the difficult but correct paths, I know that as a person the best way to grow is in facing adversity. You have the advantage of having a family and so can endure the adversity together and become ever more stronger as a family. I understand that when it's about life and death and pain etc. it doesn't feel like you're growing, but the growing is about how you and your family handle the situations and especially your own emotions, morality and balance. Some families find themselves in Moria, Greece, or getting their children taken from them and enprisoned at the doorstep of their destination. In relating to all others who suffer adversity in this callous insane culture, there's much information to be found about oneself and ones personal situation.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1425 on: October 18, 2020, 09:30:00 PM »
When is an echo chamber not an echo chamber?

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1426 on: October 19, 2020, 07:42:54 AM »
Some years ago i think someone asked on this forum if there was a space for personal diaries, and i think the answer was "No."

Perhaps a "diary" could be in a new grouping (perhaps called "Diaries") where anyone could begin a thread and be, if they wished,  the only one to post to it by timely use of the "Lock Thread" mechanism ... the diarist could unlock the thread to post anew, and lock it after the post hit. Or they could have an unlocked, collective diary for all to relate their days.

If such a scheme were implemented, i suggest that posts on the putative "Diaries" grouping be absent from the "New posts" presentation on the front page.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1427 on: October 21, 2020, 08:19:17 PM »
I think that the rise of the leftist idiocy that is about to result in an apocalyptic European death toll is coincident to the moderation on this forum in the wake of Neven's absence. Both have resulted in stifling of accurate discourse, emphasizing virtue signaling instead of original thought. It is very telling that the freezing season thread is almost dead despite it being way worse than 2012's relative anomaly, and the snowfall situation, now exploding, is not being talked about because I do not feel like contributing here when my comments have to go through mandatory moderation when I have only posted truthful and factual info in the COVID thread (which is somehow now relevant to my posts on snow and sea ice).

I think that this is a subject for the "Forum Decorum" thread because the cognitive dissonance I am seeing in general on the COVID side is beyond insane and is now enabled / supported (?) by moderation here to the potential detriment to the health and life of posters on this forum in areas that will imminently experience their primary wave.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1428 on: October 21, 2020, 09:38:48 PM »
I think that the rise of the leftist idiocy that is about to result in an apocalyptic European death toll is coincident to the moderation on this forum in the wake of Neven's absence. Both have resulted in stifling of accurate discourse, emphasizing virtue signaling instead of original thought. It is very telling that the freezing season thread is almost dead despite it being way worse than 2012's relative anomaly, and the snowfall situation, now exploding, is not being talked about because I do not feel like contributing here when my comments have to go through mandatory moderation when I have only posted truthful and factual info in the COVID thread (which is somehow now relevant to my posts on snow and sea ice).

I think that this is a subject for the "Forum Decorum" thread because the cognitive dissonance I am seeing in general on the COVID side is beyond insane and is now enabled / supported (?) by moderation here to the potential detriment to the health and life of posters on this forum in areas that will imminently experience their primary wave.

For the record, I enjoyed your posts on the permafrost section and I have recently noticed the positive snow anomaly as well. I understand the moderation is frustrating but please post again when you feel like it.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1429 on: October 21, 2020, 09:43:53 PM »
Some years ago i think someone asked on this forum if there was a space for personal diaries, and i think the answer was "No."

Perhaps a "diary" could be in a new grouping (perhaps called "Diaries") where anyone could begin a thread and be, if they wished,  the only one to post to it by timely use of the "Lock Thread" mechanism ... the diarist could unlock the thread to post anew, and lock it after the post hit. Or they could have an unlocked, collective diary for all to relate their days.

If such a scheme were implemented, i suggest that posts on the putative "Diaries" grouping be absent from the "New posts" presentation on the front page.

sidd


.. I support this suggestion and only wish blumenkraft were here to implement it .
 
 I would also ask if the entire ' off topic ' section be removed from the 'front page' .. to prevent any further ' accidents' dominating the 'recent posts' .. Neven ???   b.c.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1430 on: October 21, 2020, 10:14:33 PM »
I don´t really see the point of diaries.

I think that this is a subject for the "Forum Decorum" thread because the cognitive dissonance I am seeing in general on the COVID side is beyond insane and is now enabled / supported (?) by moderation here to the potential detriment to the health and life of posters on this forum in areas that will imminently experience their primary wave.

People are responsible for their own posts on Covid and all other stuff. Attack the numbers or their analysis not the posters.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1431 on: October 21, 2020, 10:19:25 PM »
The "right" accuses the "left" of what they themselves are guilty of. It's their favourite attack method. Always a decent source of personal amusement.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1432 on: October 22, 2020, 12:39:28 AM »
 'I don´t really see the point of diaries.' .. thank goodness the early explorers and others thought otherwise . This forum is little more than a modern diary . And I'm sure you won't be forced to write one or read anyone else's ..   :) b.c.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1433 on: October 22, 2020, 01:19:13 PM »
'I don´t really see the point of diaries.' .. thank goodness the early explorers and others thought otherwise . This forum is little more than a modern diary . And I'm sure you won't be forced to write one or read anyone else's ..   :) b.c.
"Dear Diary,
Today I woke up and got up out of bed earlier than usual. Not only did I have a shower but also had a shave. This lunchtime I am going to. the local town to have a coffee with a friend

etc... etc...."

Most diaries are bloody boring.
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« Reply #1434 on: October 22, 2020, 04:10:04 PM »
Hi gero .. your diary is the first thing that gets my attention daily , with it's preamble by Juan C .. :)  . b.c.
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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1435 on: October 24, 2020, 01:09:18 AM »
So Trump, Bolsonaro and Modi are insane leftists. Now I get it. I was confused and thought that right wing populists were managing covid the worst. And Jacinda Ardern is a conservative.

As for the higher than normal snowfall, I have commented on it in the freezing season thread. It's a known consequence of warm water in the Barents and Kara seas. The WACC pattern is well described in research reports. However, it does not mean that a new ice age is coming.

Explorers diaries are often interesting. There's no doubt that people who do and say boring things are likely to write boring diaries, but we don't have to be boring.

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Re: Forum Decorum
« Reply #1436 on: October 24, 2020, 09:07:21 AM »
Thanks FishOutofWater for picking that up.
Just to be clear to some readers, you were sarcasticly joking in your first paragraph.
"It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly" - Bertrand Russell
"It is preoccupation with what other people from your groups think of you, that prevents you from living freely and nobly" - Nanning
Why do you keep accumulating stuff?

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« Reply #1437 on: Today at 09:23:20 AM »
Lots of chit chat emerging again in the  ASI data thread.....

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« Reply #1438 on: Today at 02:37:37 PM »
My snow thread is now an election thread and instead of moderating oren has only added another election post.



  save the croc tears .. election day was used as a ref point , not a topic .. even Oren's objection was beyond the necessary .. b.c.
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« Reply #1439 on: Today at 04:22:25 PM »
I can't move posts from Cryosphere to The Rest, or else I would move them. But bear in mind that over-dramatizing is not helpful.