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Re: Memes to Support SpaceX's Efforts to Extend the Light of Consciousness
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2022, 09:28:02 PM »
Regarding terraforming Mars see also:

Terraforming Mars: Its Moon Phobos Can Help Us! - YouTube


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Terraforming Mars - Elon Musk's impossible pipedream or the greatest challenge for SpaceX? - YouTube

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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2022, 10:54:54 PM »
Every time I hear about terraforming Mars I wonder why not “terraforming” the Earth, or bring her back to pre-industrial state? Is that more difficult than terraforming Mars?

(For instance, it’d help if Elon reduced private jet use from several times a day to a few days a year.)

https://fortune.com/2022/07/28/teen-twitter-private-jet-kylie-jenner-elon-musk-drake-jack-sweeney-celebjets/

https://twitter.com/elonjet?s=21&t=DT_L9_JfxroU1JQxtvr04A

So your saying that Elon can easily cause a run away greenhouse gas reaction on Earth, but that it is impossible for him to do so on Mar :(
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2022, 11:47:25 PM »
I believe that it would be a good idea for SpaceX to locate its initial Martian city-state in the Melas Chasma overlapping with the Candor Chasma, (see the first image) both in the Valles Marineris for reason including:

1.   The Trace Gas Orbiter's Fine Resolution Epithermal Neutron Detector (FREND) has recently identified a near surface zone of the regolith, the size of The Netherlands, that likely is about 40% water (see the second image) centered on the Melas and Candor Chasmas.

2.   There are several low-dust areas suitable for landing Starships (see the third image) before permanent landing facilities have been constructed.

3.   This region is relatively warm and relatively shielded from lateral cosmic rays by the walls of the Valles Marineris.

4.   The Martian atmosphere is relatively thick at this location which would assist the aerobraking of landing Starships.  I note that with a depth of up to 7 km (4 mi) below Mars "sea level" Valles Marineris has atmospheric pressures at the bottom of the canyon of over 1200 Pa.  While on average, the atmospheric pressure on Mars at “sea level” is 636 Pa, which is less than 0.5% of that on Earth (101.325 kPa).

5.   The atmospheric temperature is relatively warm as this location is near the Martian equator

6.   This location is relatively near to Pavonis Mons which is the ideal site to establish the foot of a space elevation as its southern rim is on the Martian equator (see the fourth image).
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2022, 03:05:24 AM »
I believe that it would be a good idea for SpaceX to locate its initial Martian city-state in the Melas Chasma overlapping with the Candor Chasma, (see the first image) both in the Valles Marineris for reason including:

1.   The Trace Gas Orbiter's Fine Resolution Epithermal Neutron Detector (FREND) has recently identified a near surface zone of the regolith, the size of The Netherlands, that likely is about 40% water (see the second image) centered on the Melas and Candor Chasmas.

2.   There are several low-dust areas suitable for landing Starships (see the third image) before permanent landing facilities have been constructed.

3.   This region is relatively warm and relatively shielded from lateral cosmic rays by the walls of the Valles Marineris.

4.   The Martian atmosphere is relatively thick at this location which would assist the aerobraking of landing Starships.  I note that with a depth of up to 7 km (4 mi) below Mars "sea level" Valles Marineris has atmospheric pressures at the bottom of the canyon of over 1200 Pa.  While on average, the atmospheric pressure on Mars at “sea level” is 636 Pa, which is less than 0.5% of that on Earth (101.325 kPa).

5.   The atmospheric temperature is relatively warm as this location is near the Martian equator

6.   This location is relatively near to Pavonis Mons which is the ideal site to establish the foot of a space elevation as its southern rim is on the Martian equator (see the fourth image).

Sounds lush! :)  Just need to pick a location such that the valley walls don’t significantly interfere with solar energy production.  Being near the equator should help.

Thicker atmosphere should encourage the delivery of “a Starship full of Mars helicopters,” providing extensive uncrewed exploration, obtaining samples, and for transporting small cargo around the site.  (Lighter gravity will help.)
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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2022, 04:05:46 AM »
(For instance, it’d help if Elon reduced private jet use from several times a day to a few days a year.)

Musk’s time is too valuable to waste waiting around for public, or lengthy ground, transportation. Also, being Elon Musk, he has heightened security needs.

The future emissions prevented by Musk returning quickly to the factory to help increase production and improve the efficiency of Tesla products, or meeting with VIPs to arrange for new big clean energy projects, are much greater than the emissions of a private jet.

As stated in the Tesla, Inc. 2022 Annual Meeting of Stockholders, the Tesla company already produces more clean energy than is used to build and to charge all their cars, including home charging.
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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2022, 01:14:06 PM »
It has been noted that astronauts traveling to/from Mars would potentially be subjected to high levels of cosmic radiation as conventional one-way travel times range from about 160-days to 240-day.  Musk has proposed to address this issue by reducing the one-way travel time to between 60 to 80 days by burning more fuel than assumed practicable for conventional spacecraft.  However, the is another means to limit the amount of cosmic radiation that such astronauts would be exposed to by means of a Halbach Torus as discussed in the following linked article.

CREW HaT: Cosmic Radiation Extended Warding using the Halbach Torus | NASA
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2022/CREW_HaT/

Extract: "CREW HaT: Cosmic Radiation Extended Warding using the Halbach Torus | NASA
by Elena D’Onghia
University of Wisconsin, Madison


Since the Earth’s magnetic field is responsible for protecting us on Earth’s surface, a logical solution to the problem would be to have a spacecraft bring along its equivalent magnetic field. Here we propose CREW HaT, a new concept for a Halbach Torus (HaT), which consists of light, deployable, mechanically supported magnetic coils activated by a new generation of high-temperature superconducting tapes which have recently become available. This configuration produces an enhanced external magnetic field that diverts cosmic radiation particles, complemented by a suppressed magnetic field in the astronaut’s habitat. The HaT geometry has never been explored before in this context or studied in combination with modern superconductive tapes.  It diverts over 50% of the biology-damaging cosmic rays (protons below 1 GeV) and higher energy high-Z ions. This is sufficient to reduce the radiation dose absorbed by astronauts to a level that is <5% of the lifetime excess risk of cancer mortality levels established by NASA."

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Polarized hull plating was a defensive armored hull technology used on shuttles and starships. Before the development of deflector shielding, hull polarization was the primary defensive measure for starships against enemy weaponry.
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In 2372, Chakotay used a magnetic field to cushion the impact of proton bursts on the USS Voyager….
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Polarized_hull_plating

The cylindrical shape, and strong stainless steel structure, of a SpaceX Starship would seem to make it an excellent candidate for this technology — if implemented on deep-space transport ships that remain in space and do not experience the rigors of landing on a planet.  Would need to develop a different configuration than the side-to side positioning of ships that is currently planned for refueling, however. ;)

Also, constructing the ship with water tanks inside the exterior walls of the payload section, as has long been suggested, would add yet additional radiation protection.

⬇️ Image from the NASA article below.
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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2022, 04:45:09 PM »
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Sounds lush! :)  Just need to pick a location such that the valley walls don’t significantly interfere with solar energy production.  Being near the equator should help.
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The first two images show my concepts for the initial Starship landing site in the Melas Chasma (away from the canyon walls) and my concept for a permanent Starship landing site made from Regolight material in the Candor Chasma (near the center of the water supply).  The third image shows my envisioned extent of the initial Martian settlement circa 2050 with suspended Halbach arrays to block cosmic radiation in densely populated areas.  The fourth image shows a conceptual aerial cableway between the conceptual Candor Chasma settlement and a possible graphene space elevator anchored on the southern rim of Pavonis Mons.

If the proximity of the envisioned settlement to the canyon walls blocks too much light then I suggest that the settlers would set-up optical cables as solar pipes between parabolic mirrors at the tops of the canyon and the habits near/within the sides of the canyon walls for adjustable natural light on demand.
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« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2022, 05:22:26 PM »
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The cylindrical shape, and strong stainless steel structure, of a SpaceX Starship would seem to make it an excellent candidate for this technology — if implemented on deep-space transport ships that remain in space and do not experience the rigors of landing on a planet.  Would need to develop a different configuration than the side-to side positioning of ships that is currently planned for refueling, however. ;)

Also, constructing the ship with water tanks inside the exterior walls of the payload section, as has long been suggested, would add yet additional radiation protection.
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While D'Onghia et. al. are studying the use of externally electro-magnetic panels as you show in your image.  If SpaceX could develop strong permanently magnetized ceramic tiles (similar to their current heat shield tiles and mounted by the same method to the stainless steel Starship hulls) then they could achieve similar benefits in deflecting cosmic radiation as proposed by D'Onghia et. al. but configured as shown in the attached image used for refrigerator magnetics but for the Starship hull tiles the magnetic flux lines would be oriented towards space (away from the hull interior).  As SpaceX bakes their own heat tiles it would seem practicable for them to add some permanently magnetized particles to their tile mix (before baking) and the alignment of the particles could be controlled by electromagnetics fields in the ovens.

Edit: The second figure shows that if relatively thin Halbach Magnetic Tiles are mounted to the outer surface of Starship hulls then they would not interfere with in orbit side by side refueling operations
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« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2022, 05:51:31 PM »
ASLR, thanks for the images and info.  Much to think about!
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If the proximity of the envisioned settlement to the canyon walls blocks too much light then I suggest that the settlers would set-up optical cables as solar pipes between parabolic mirrors at the tops of the canyon and the habits near/within the sides of the canyon walls for adjustable natural light on demand.

Those nearby plateaus(?) look like tempting areas for huge arrays of solar panels.  While generating electricity for the settlement, they could also power floodlights that are tuned to match the frequency spectrum and intensity of that on Earth, which would be beneficial for the plants and animals brought from there, as well as the humans.
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« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2022, 07:05:17 PM »
ASLR, thanks for the images and info.  Much to think about!
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If the proximity of the envisioned settlement to the canyon walls blocks too much light then I suggest that the settlers would set-up optical cables as solar pipes between parabolic mirrors at the tops of the canyon and the habits near/within the sides of the canyon walls for adjustable natural light on demand.

Those nearby plateaus(?) look like tempting areas for huge arrays of solar panels.  While generating electricity for the settlement, they could also power floodlights that are tuned to match the frequency spectrum and intensity of that on Earth, which would be beneficial for the plants and animals brought from there, as well as the humans.


Sigmetnow,

Once you get use to first principle thinking you can think of many innovative ways to help SpaceX extend the light of consciousness as your post indicates (I have many such ideas myself).  However, as Musk points out thinking of innovative ideas is easy, but production/development is hard.  So, if you (or others readers of this thread) have sufficient energy after you have thought a while then you could submit a proposal (or many proposals) to the Musk Foundation (which may likely have billions of dollars of funding available) to set-up effective altruism start-up ventures (like Elon is doing now with The Boring Company) that can develop/ramp-up technologies (including the technologies that I have/will post about) on Earth that could later be modified to have use in SpaceX’s efforts to help mankind become a multi-planetary civilization.

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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2022, 07:25:44 PM »
Conceptually, SpaceX could leverage some of the gravitational potential energy (4.84 x 1022 N-m) of Phobos (with a mass of 1.06 x 1016 kg, of which about 2.9 x 1012 kg is loose regolith in the 100-m deep surface layer) via a number of inverting-sleeve partial space elevators (see the first attached image, wherein a steel cylinder would be built inside of the foot of the inverting-sleeve to serve both as a counter weight and as a mandrel for the sleeve to invert about) in order to: a) harvest both electrical and mechanical energy, b) elevate and launch processed regolith/ISRU materials [both to partially terraform Mars and to regulate remnants of Phobos left over from mining, ISRU materials and plasma operations], and c) launch biomining material from biomining of Phobos (or Deimos).  As noted by Jim Green et. al. the minimum total energy required to provide Mars with an artificial magnetic field of sufficient strength to allow for long-term terraforming to be on the order of 1017J. This does not include the energy needed to ramp the magnetic field up, which will be affected by the inductive properties of the media in and around the magnetic field generating structure. 

Once primed, and continuous supplied (by Sandwormbots in the first attached image), with crowed mined (and/or processed [say by biomining and/or by the RegoLight process] regolith and with the inversion initiated by the Tractor Traction mechanism as shown in the first attached image by red arrows, the sleeve elevator would become self-inverting due to the friction of the crowded regolith (raw or processed) against the sleeve while it falls toward the Martian atmosphere when it exists the sleeve.  With the partial sleeve elevator self-inverting the Tractor Traction mechanism could be switched into a power generation mode (rather than the power consumption mode required to initiate the sleeve inversion), that could then provide power to industrial operations set-up on Phobos including the artificial magnetic field generating activity described by Jim Green et. al. or for say multi-kilometer space mirror fabrication. 

In this regard:

A.   The second image shows that Kevlar is both flexible enough and strong enough to serve as a self-inverting partial space elevator (is SpaceX does not use a direct material);

B.   The third image shows a prototype snake robot with internal plumbing that conceptually illustrates how a much larger Sandwormbot developed by SpaceX could operate with internal plumbing to optically mine regolith and pneumatically convey the regolith to/from biomine digesters stored with caverns optically mined in the interior of Phobos by the Sandwormbots as conceptually illustrated in the fourth image.

After sufficient Phobos regolith has been dropped on to the Martian poles to melt the ice and dry-ice there then organic material from biomining digesters on Phobos could be encapsulated within RegoLight pellets and delivered to the top of the equatorial Martian atmosphere by self-inverting partial space elevators of the appropriate lengths.  If properly engineered, such organic material distributed about the Martian equator (including near the Valles Marineris) could support micro-organisms that could break-on the toxins in perchlorate (found in the Martian soil) into safe components including gaseous oxygen.
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« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2022, 07:51:26 PM »
If anyone wanted to develop an effective altruism start-up to demonstrate the practicability of a self-inverting sleeve tether fed by Sandwormbots on Earth, then you could propose to the Musk Foundation that after SpaceX has deployed a Semisubmersible Starship Spaceport (see the first image) southeast of Hawaii (where SpaceX will likely soon land in the ocean SN24) near the Central Equatorial Pacific above the Clarion-Clipperton Zone licensed for mining polymetallic (magnesium) nodules (see the second image), then SpaceX could agree to deploy a marine version of a Kelvar self-inverting tether (using an air-lift principle to drive the self-inversion) from the underside of the semisubmersible to bring up polymetallic nodules from the sea floor carefully gathered by marine Sandwormbots (the third image is a cartoon from a commercial vendor that currently supplies snake robots to the marine oil & gas industry) with Edge AI neural network chips to allow them to gather the nodules without meaningfully disturbing the bottom marine organisms.  These polymetallic nodules could be refined to provide materials (including manganese) for Tesla BEV batteries.
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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2022, 08:41:55 PM »
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Once you get use to first principle thinking you can think of many innovative ways to help SpaceX extend the light of consciousness as your post indicates (I have many such ideas myself).  However, as Musk points out thinking of innovative ideas is easy, but production/development is hard.  So, if you (or others readers of this thread) have sufficient energy after you have thought a while then you could submit a proposal (or many proposals) to the Musk Foundation (which may likely have billions of dollars of funding available) to set-up effective altruism start-up ventures (like Elon is doing now with The Boring Company) that can develop/ramp-up technologies (including the technologies that I have/will post about) on Earth that could later be modified to have use in SpaceX’s efforts to help mankind become a multi-planetary civilization.

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Following up on my post inviting readers that care to engage in effective altruism to possible contact the Musk Foundation, I note that the X Holdings I, II and/or III could provide a holding group as an umbrella organization for such effective altruism Limited Partnership (LP)start-ups; however, if note then readers could propose to the Musk Foundation to establish a nonprofit Multiplanetary Development Group holding entity for providing oversite on for-profit MDG Limited Partnerships (MDGLPs) with the following charter.

Multiplanetary Development Group Charter:
"MDG's mission is to promote the extension of consciousness including by the creation of Cybernetic Information Theory based Organizations (CITOs) – by which we mean corporations, non-governmental and governmental, organizations - that provide efficient means to increase benefits, and reduce disbenefits, for all of humanity. We will attempt to directly develop safe and beneficial CITOs (including a CITO with direct democratic governance for a sovereign city-state on Mars) but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome. To that end, we commit to the following principles:

Broadly Distributed Benefits
›   We commit to use any influence we obtain over COTI’s deployment to ensure it is used for the benefit of all, and to avoid enabling uses of COTIs that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power.
›   Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.

Long-Term Safety
›   We are committed to doing the research required to make COTIs safe, and to driving the broad adoption of such research across the space development community.
›   We are concerned about late-stage COTI development becoming a competitive race without time for adequate safety precautions. Therefore, if a value-aligned, safety-conscious project comes close to building a solar system spanning COTI before we do, we commit to stop competing with and start assisting this project. We will work out specifics in case-by-case agreements.

Technical Leadership
›   To be effective at addressing COTI’s impact on society, MDG must be on the cutting edge of Information Theory cybernetic capabilities (including quantum information theory applications in space), as policy and safety advocacy alone will be insufficient.
›   We believe that corporate and non-governmental COTIs will have broad societal impact before governmental COTIs, and we’ll strive to lead in those areas that are directly aligned with our mission and expertise.

Cooperative Orientation
›   We will actively cooperate with other research and policy institutions; we seek to create a global community working together to address COTI’s global challenges.
›   We are committed to providing public goods that help society navigate the path to a sustainable solar system spanning socio-economic systems. Today this includes creating more corporate and non-governmental COTIs aligned with this charter, but we expect that this will also include science and engineering education, renewable energy research, space exploration/research and the development of safe artificial general intelligence to benefit humanity."

It is proposed that MDGLP be governed by the board of the MDG nonprofit, comprised of MDLPG employees _____ (Chairman & CTO), Nick Cummings, of SpaceX (Chief Civil Development Engineer), and _____ (CEO), and non-employees Elon Musk and Gwynne Shotwell."

Herein, I note that while all Musk started effective altruism companies (Tesla, SpaceX, The Boring Company, Neuralink) have managers, the engineers play a major role in driving/achieving the mission statement by maintaining a high pace of innovation; which to my mind is critical to sustaining these Cybernetic Information Theory based Organizations.
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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2022, 09:10:20 PM »
Every time I hear about terraforming Mars I wonder why not “terraforming” the Earth, or bring her back to pre-industrial state? Is that more difficult than terraforming Mars?

(For instance, it’d help if Elon reduced private jet use from several times a day to a few days a year.)

https://fortune.com/2022/07/28/teen-twitter-private-jet-kylie-jenner-elon-musk-drake-jack-sweeney-celebjets/

https://twitter.com/elonjet?s=21&t=DT_L9_JfxroU1JQxtvr04A

So your saying that Elon can easily cause a run away greenhouse gas reaction on Earth, but that it is impossible for him to do so on Mar :(

Nah, you know very well what I mean. All this Arthur C Clarke stuff is great. But in the meantime, here in Planet Earth a bunch of us is already committed to changing our ways, our means of transport, even our diet, small contributions… while CO2 continues growing at similar rates. Do you think the thought of a person like Elon, riding his jet, burning in three months what I would burn is several lifetimes, brings me a lot of joy?

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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2022, 09:29:50 PM »
If anyone wanted to develop an effective altruism start-up to demonstrate the practicability of a self-inverting sleeve tether fed by Sandwormbots on Earth, then you could propose to the Musk Foundation that after SpaceX has deployed a Semisubmersible Starship Spaceport (see the first image) southeast of Hawaii (where SpaceX will likely soon land in the ocean SN24) near the Central Equatorial Pacific above the Clarion-Clipperton Zone licensed for mining polymetallic (magnesium) nodules (see the second image), then SpaceX could agree to deploy a marine version of a Kelvar self-inverting tether (using an air-lift principle to drive the self-inversion) from the underside of the semisubmersible to bring up polymetallic nodules from the sea floor carefully gathered by marine Sandwormbots (the third image is a cartoon from a commercial vendor that currently supplies snake robots to the marine oil & gas industry) with Edge AI neural network chips to allow them to gather the nodules without meaningfully disturbing the bottom marine organisms.  These polymetallic nodules could be refined to provide materials (including manganese) for Tesla BEV batteries.

In my quoted post I postulated that SpaceX could develop Edge AI controlled Sandwormbots for mining operations (in space and/or underwater).  This assumes that Tesla would be willing to share the Edge AI control system (using Nvidia GPUs, DOJO AI accelerator chips and possibly soon Nvidia’s up-coming QODA unified programming platform for near future hybrid quantum-classical computing) that Tesla is currently developing for the Teslabot (Optimus Prime).  For those who want to better understand Edge AI with regard to the Telsabot and Tesla FSD, please see the linked video with James Douma and John Gibbs.

Title “James Douma on TESLABOT, Tesla FSD, the Past, the Future, and WHY We DREAM!! - YouTube”


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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2022, 09:54:00 PM »
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Nah, you know very well what I mean. All this Arthur C Clarke stuff is great. But in the meantime, here in Planet Earth a bunch of us is already committed to changing our ways, our means of transport, even our diet, small contributions… while CO2 continues growing at similar rates. Do you think the thought of a person like Elon, riding his jet, burning in three months what I would burn is several lifetimes, brings me a lot of joy?

Underlying the idea of effective altruism is that an entrepreneur’s (like Musk’s) altruism includes the benefits accrued to society because of his products/services that would not have occurred without his entrepreneurial activity.  For example, the attached image shows the cumulative CO2e emission savings by Tesla drivers through 2016, which probably would not have been saved without Musk’s entrepreneurial activities (see also the linked Tesla 2021 Impact Report for other benefits to society due to Tesla’s activities).  Thus, per the effective altruism concept one needs to offset Musk’s cumulative GHG emissions by the cumulative savings that would not have occurred without his entrepreneurial activities.

Title: “Tesla 2021 Impact Report”

https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2021-tesla-impact-report.pdf
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If properly engineered, such organic material distributed about the Martian equator (including near the Valles Marineris) could support micro-organisms that could break-on the toxins in perchlorate (found in the Martian soil) into safe components including gaseous oxygen.
 
Emphasis mine.  Another “humans can’t survive on Mars because…” meme is addressed!

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While D'Onghia et. al. are studying the use of externally electro-magnetic panels as you show in your image.  If SpaceX could develop strong permanently magnetized ceramic tiles (similar to their current heat shield tiles and mounted by the same method to the stainless steel Starship hulls) then they could achieve similar benefits in deflecting cosmic radiation as proposed by D'Onghia et. al. but configured as shown in the attached image used for refrigerator magnetics but for the Starship hull tiles the magnetic flux lines would be oriented towards space (away from the hull interior).  As SpaceX bakes their own heat tiles it would seem practicable for them to add some permanently magnetized particles to their tile mix (before baking) and the alignment of the particles could be controlled by electromagnetics fields in the ovens.

Edit: The second figure shows that if relatively thin Halbach Magnetic Tiles are mounted to the outer surface of Starship hulls then they would not interfere with in orbit side by side refueling operations

😲 Now that is more of a twenty-first century Starship!
 
Although such shielding might be required only over the payload section, it would mean tiles on the dorsal as well as the ventral half of the ship.  And ships built with the intention that their entire structure will be completely transformed into a habitat should be completely covered.  But if the ship will be laid horizontal (half buried) on the Martian or Lunar surface, will the effect work if only half of the circumference is thus protected?

Tesla is skilled at designing extraordinary permanent magnets for their motors, so I have no doubt SpaceX/Tesla engineers could develop this technology.  Does additional energy need to be supplied from the ship to create the protective effect?
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« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2022, 10:26:27 PM »
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After sufficient Phobos regolith has been dropped on to the Martian poles to melt the ice and dry-ice there then organic material from biomining digesters on Phobos could be encapsulated within RegoLight pellets and delivered to the top of the equatorial Martian atmosphere by self-inverting partial space elevators of the appropriate lengths.  If properly engineered, such organic material distributed about the Martian equator (including near the Valles Marineris) could support micro-organisms that could break-on the toxins in perchlorate (found in the Martian soil) into safe components including gaseous oxygen.

For those who would prefer to contemplate a more conventional partial space elevator from Phobos to the upper Martian atmosphere I provide the attached paper and associate image.
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« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2022, 10:31:07 PM »
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Tesla is skilled at designing extraordinary permanent magnets for their motors, so I have no doubt SpaceX/Tesla engineers could develop this technology.  Does additional energy need to be supplied from the ship to create the protective effect?

If Tesla/SpaceX engineers can fabricate adequately strong permanent magnetic tiles then there would be no need to provide any addition energy to the tiles to provide protection from cosmic radiation; however, I could image the engineers designing electromagnetic tiles to which electrical power could be provided for possibly more effective protection.  The engineers would need to determine which path to take.
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« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2022, 01:30:26 AM »
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Tesla is skilled at designing extraordinary permanent magnets for their motors, so I have no doubt SpaceX/Tesla engineers could develop this technology.  Does additional energy need to be supplied from the ship to create the protective effect?

If Tesla/SpaceX engineers can fabricate adequately strong permanent magnetic tiles then there would be no need to provide any addition energy to the tiles to provide protection from cosmic radiation; however, I could image the engineers designing electromagnetic tiles to which electrical power could be provided for possibly more effective protection.  The engineers would need to determine which path to take.

Insert shrug meme:  “Why not both?”  :)
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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2022, 05:38:56 PM »
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Insert shrug meme:  “Why not both?”  :)

It seems to me that practically speaking only SpaceX could fabricate permanently magnetic and/or electromagnetically charged Halbach Array tiles for the outer surface of Starships, so I will leave the answer to your question to Elon.  In the meantime, I will continue post memes about innovative technology that could improve the practicability of a Martian settlement (or global nation state).

As it will be difficult/expensive to initially have a lot of heavy industry on Mars (and/or Phobos/Deimos), I suggest that it would be good for a Cybernetic Information Theory based Organization (CITO) develop a basalt continuous fiber (BCF) company on Earth that could practicably be adapted for use on Mars, using solar heat/mirrors for energy.

The technology of production of basalt continuous fiber (BCF) is a one-stage process: melting, homogenization of basalt and extraction of fibers. Basalt is heated only once. Further processing of BCF into materials is carried out using "cold technologies" with low energy costs.
Basalt fiber is made from a single material, crushed basalt, from a carefully chosen quarry source. Basalt of high acidity (over 46% silica content) and low iron content is considered desirable for fiber production. Unlike with other composites, such as glass fiber, essentially no materials are added during its production. The basalt is simply washed and then melted.
The manufacture of basalt fiber requires the melting of the crushed and washed basalt rock at about 1,500°C (2,730°F). The molten rock is then extruded through small nozzles to produce continuous filaments of basalt fiber.  Such BCF fibers could be used for a variety of application on a Mars settlement including: cables from filaments, woven fabrics, panel boards, and chopped fibers for adding to other ISRU materials like RegoLight for added tensile strength (see the first image), while the second image compares selected material properties of basalt fiber to glass fiber.

Now I note that the type of high acidity basalt (over 46% silica content) required to produce BCF almost always comes from stratovolcanoes and while the existence of stratovolcanoes on other bodies of the Solar System has not been conclusively demonstrated. One possible exception is the existence of some isolated massifs on Mars, for example the Zephyria Tholus (see the third image).  Finally, for this post I note that Socorro Island, Mexico (see image 4) has acidity basalt suitable for producing BCF and it is located close to the Clarion-Clipperton Polymetallic nodule zone that I previously mentioned that could be mined for metals for Tesla car batteries.  Thus a CITO could mine basalt and produce BCF on Socorro Island for producing tethers/cables/inverting-sleeves to help mine the polymetallic nodules.

See also:

Wang, L.; Zhao, J.; Huang, J.; Xiao, L. New Evidence to Support Zephyria Tholus as a Composite Volcano on Mars. Remote Sens. 2021, 13, 3891. https://doi.org/10.3390/ rs13193891


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« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2022, 10:27:12 PM »

As it will be difficult/expensive to initially have a lot of heavy industry on Mars (and/or Phobos/Deimos), I suggest that it would be good for a Cybernetic Information Theory based Organization (CITO) develop a basalt continuous fiber (BCF) company on Earth that could practicably be adapted for use on Mars, using solar heat/mirrors for energy.

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« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2022, 03:57:53 PM »

As it will be difficult/expensive to initially have a lot of heavy industry on Mars (and/or Phobos/Deimos), I suggest that it would be good for a Cybernetic Information Theory based Organization (CITO) develop a basalt continuous fiber (BCF) company on Earth that could practicably be adapted for use on Mars, using solar heat/mirrors for energy.

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The Boring Company’s development of a practicable hyperloop system (see the first linked article) on Earth is an example of technology being developed by a CITO that could be transfer to use in a Martian settlement not only to provide transportation but also to provide Earth-like gravity by providing the appropriate combination of track curvature a velocity.  For example, the second linked article indicates that Musk has envisioned (in 2016) the use of geodesic domes (see the attached image) working together with bored tunnels beneath the domes.  Thus, I point out that if a hyperloop system were to installed into a circumferentially prestressed (possibly using BCF tendons) RegoLight ring beam with a cylindrical cross-section (with a vacuum within the cross-section) acting as the foundation for the geodesic dome then this configuration would facilitate the construction of relatively large geodesic domes (by allowing the dome to thrust into the ring beam foundation) while providing high-speed transportation around the perimeter of the settlement, while also providing temporary Earth-like levels of acceleration (to slow or stop the physical degradation of the settlers) for the periods of time that the settlers are riding in the curve track for the hyperloop (say for a couple of hours per day to maintain bone density).

Title: "Musk’s Boring Company to begin ‘full-scale’ hyperloop testing this year | TechCrunch"

https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/25/musks-boring-company-to-begin-full-scale-hyperloop-testing-this-year/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAILAzpKx-71YwD0uYiOhSAj6-u0caalgMJZFZ636tMcBfsiEoUcp-ElhIF_XkfSD859GQojBAuDPZ7ZbRgXXSCGhglruKcuwoJjGIUFYcpypx9IFZlOTcSgRPBhFdm5MIjNSnE7NbrS18DoN2LOpAYaxNP-5atLD9Sh_1_xDMKKM

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Title: “Elon Musk envisons Mars colony with Geodesic domes and big underground which may be strikingly similar to Babylon 5 TV show | NextBigFuture.com”

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10/elon-musk-envisons-mars-colony-with.html

Extract: “Initially, glass panes with carbon fiber frames to build geodesic domes on the surface, plus a lot of miner/tunneling droids. With the latter, you can build out a huge amount of pressurized space for industrial operations and leave the glass domes for green living space.”
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« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2022, 04:18:40 PM »
As the title of this thread indicates that posts here are envisioned as supporting efforts (by SpaceX and by other cybernetic information theory-based organizations, CITOs) to extend the “Light of Consciousness” it is worthwhile considering what consciousness as the two linked YouTube interviews of Donald Hoffmann (and the linked article entitled: “The Case Against Reality”) indicate that consciousness (and even reality) is not what most people believe that it is.  In my opinion Hoffmann’s insights into the nature of consciousness (resulting from evolution) has a lot of relevance to the role that AI (and quantum artificial general intelligence) will play in extending the “Light of Consciousness”.

Title: “Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion - How Evolution Hid the Truth | Lex Fridman Podcast #293 - YouTube”



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Title: “Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality | The Tim Ferriss Show - YouTube”



Extract: “Donald Hoffman ( @donalddhoffman) received a PhD in computational psychology from MIT and is a Professor Emeritus of Cognitive Sciences at the University of California, Irvine. He is an author of over 120 scientific papers and three books, including The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes. He is the recipient of the Distinguished Scientific Award of the American Psychological Association and the Troland Research Award of the US National Academy of Sciences.”

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Title: “The Case Against Reality - The Atlantic”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-illusion-of-reality/479559/
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« Reply #74 on: August 22, 2022, 04:36:19 PM »
I speculate that after Ashok Elluswamy has finished developing both Autopilot and FSD software (see the linked YouTube video) that he will then move on to work on the Teslabot (Optimus Prime) operating software, and that if indeed SpaceX develops a quantum internet using a constellation of Starlink 2.0 (or 3.0) satellites around Mars, then Ashok may utilize the resulting quantum artificial intelligence software to give robots on Mars a form of hive consciousness of the Martian reality around the robots (and/or Martian settlers using Neuralink chips).

Title: “Don’t Crash, EVER!! TESLA Occupancy Networks, FSD Beta, and COLLISION AVOIDANCE! - YouTube”



Extract: “In his CVPR 2022 keynote address, Ashok Elluswamy, Tesla Director of Autopilot Software, gives us the first insight into what Tesla has been doing in the past year--and it's a lot! Tesla's new Occupancy Network is a method to determine if any location in 3D space around the car is available (drivable) or not (undrivable). This has profound implications for Tesla FSD Beta but also for collision avoidance--something that will come standard with every Tesla and make them safer than any other car!”
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« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2022, 05:32:30 PM »
In my last post I suggested that SpaceX may create a quantum internet via a Starlink 2 (or 3) constellation in orbit around Mars.  Here I note that Varda already has contract with SpaceX to deploy their relatively small commercial space stations/modules for manufacturing in microgravity in 2023 (see the two links below).  Also, previously I mentioned that SpaceX units configured with two tethered Starships rotating around a hub microgravity manufacturing module (see the first image) could not only provide gravity to settlers in transit to Mars but that the hub microgravity manufacturing module could produce a variety of components in transit like multi-kilometer long graphene tethers (suitable for making partial space elevators for Phobos and/or Deimos) or high quality fiber optical strands (say for RegoLight production, optical mining and for light tubes) and in this regard I provide the second attached image of a Starship microgravity module with facilities for methane, oxygen and other resource storage units that could be utilized to provide resources for the hub microgravity manufacturing module (ala a future version of what Varda is currently developing for deployment around Earth, see the third image) and that after arriving at Mars the unit shown in the second image could be utilized as a fuel transfer module for refueling Starships preparing to depart Mars for locations such as the Earth, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and/or the moons of Jupiter and/or Saturn.


Title: “Manufacturing in Microgravity - Varda Space Industries”

https://varda.com/

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Title: “Varda Space Industries will send its first space factory to orbit on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket | TechCrunch”

https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/11/varda-space-industries-will-send-its-first-space-factory-to-orbit-on-a-spacex-falcon-9-rocket/

Extract: “Varda Space Industries, a startup that wants to build in-space manufacturing facilities, will be sending its first spacecraft to orbit aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket in 2023.

The actual spacecraft — the startup’s first to go to orbit — will be made by SpaceX’s rival launch company, Rocket Lab, which will also make two subsequent space vehicles for Varda. The three vehicles will be outfitted with two Varda-made modules: a microgravity manufacturing module and a reentry capsule.

The aim is for each spacecraft to spend approximately three months in orbit, with the reentry module bringing back around 40-60 kilograms of manufactured materials.”
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« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2022, 06:47:53 PM »
The Boring Company’s development of a practicable hyperloop system (see the first linked article) on Earth is an example of technology being developed by a CITO that could be transfer to use in a Martian settlement not only to provide transportation but also to provide Earth-like gravity by providing the appropriate combination of track curvature a velocity. …

Thanks for the links!

Musk brought up the Hyperloop technology again today:
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Would be cool to do a (much simplified) Hyperloop demo tunnel between maybe Austin & San Antonio?*
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It is the fastest way to get between one downtown and another with known physics (and the Standard Model is proving quiet resilient)!
8/22/22 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1561604589962625025
* Austin, Texas is the location of the newest Tesla gigafactory.

Microgravity is indeed a human health risk factor.  Astronauts exercise two hours a day on the International Space Station (there is exercise equipment on the Chinese Space Station, as well), using simulated gravity (treadmill) and resistance, as this has been shown to help.  Colonists on Mars or the Moon will have the benefit of constant gravity after they land, although it is significantly less than 1 g.  Early explorers will help study the degree of intervention — the strength of increased gravity sessions, and/or the duration — that is needed for optimal health.
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« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2022, 09:02:34 PM »
The linked article & the linked YouTube video indicate that silica aerogel (which could be manufactures from insitu material that have been identified in Valles Marineras) could provide a greenhouse effect for local areas on Mars.

Title: “A material way to make Mars habitable (harvard.edu)”

https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2019/07/material-way-make-mars-habitable

Extract: “Now, researchers from the Harvard University, NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab, and the University of Edinburgh, have a new idea. Rather than trying to change the whole planet, what if you took a more regional approach?

The researchers suggest that regions of the Martian surface could be made habitable with a material — silica aerogel — that mimics Earth’s atmospheric greenhouse effect. Through modeling and experiments, the researchers show that a two to three-centimeter-thick shield of silica aerogel could transmit enough visible light for photosynthesis, block hazardous ultraviolet radiation, and raise temperatures underneath permanently above the melting point of water, all without the need for any internal heat source.”

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Title: “Aerogel Could Be the Key to Colonizing Mars, Here's How - YouTube”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCPNauRhkLM&list=RDLVE8A9r2AqZvA&index=12

Thus, it could be possible to ISRU fabricate a double-shelled spaceframe dome (see that attached image of a double-shelled/skinned timber module for reference, which is about twenty times smaller than what I am envisioning for use on Mars) for human habitation where the outer shell/skin is made of several centimeter thick panels of silica aerogel, with diaphragms connecting the outer shell/skin to the inner shell/skin made of say RegoLight with a layer of soil on top of the inner shell/skin for growing crops.  Such a double-shelled spaceframe could then safely have humans/animals living beneath the double-shell protected from micrometeor strikes and a significant portion of the cosmic radiation.
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« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2022, 11:00:10 PM »
I note that if a significant number of bioreactors were to be set-up within caverns (optically mined) within Phobos (and/or Deimos) then selected asteroids from the main asteroid belt (between Mars and Jupiter) could be moved into parallel orbits as Phobos (and/or Deimos) with the regolith mined from the selected asteroids processed by the bioreactors on Phobos/Deimos.  Then the resulting bio-mined resources (including both minerals and organics from the bioreactors) could be shielded by RegoLight and dropped through the Martian atmosphere by a partial space elevator (see the attached image).

Regarding biomining see:

Title: "Humans have big plans for mining in space, but there are many things holding us back (phys.org)"

https://phys.org/news/2022-05-humans-big-space.html

Extract: “Researchers from the University of New South Wales Sydney and the Australian National University propose using biomining. In this, bacteria introduced to an asteroid would consume certain minerals and produces a gas, which could then be harvested and collected by a probe.

Although collecting resources in space might mean not having to launch them from Earth, more launches may inevitably take place as the space economy grows.

While it's still early days, a number of companies are currently developing technologies for off-Earth mining, space resource exploration, and for other uses in space.

The Canadian Space Mining Corporation is developing infrastructure required to support life in space, including oxygen generators and other machinery.

U.S.-based company OffWorld is developing industrial robots for operations on Earth, the moon, asteroids and Mars. And the Asteroid Mining Corporation is also working to establish a market for space resources.”

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Elisse Magnuson et al, Active lithoautotrophic and methane-oxidizing microbial community in an anoxic, sub-zero, and hypersaline High Arctic spring, The ISME Journal (2022)

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« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2023, 01:20:41 AM »
The attached images are from the linked Youtube video that discusses a recently discovered relict glacier (see the first image) near the Noctis Landing site (see the second image from Lee et al 2015) that is near Valles Marineris where I have recommended that Musk position his main cities on Mars and this newly discovered relict glacier could readily provide water for such a city.

NEW DISCOVERY! Huge water source found on Mars in a perfect place for a SpaceX Colony!! - YouTube

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« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2023, 08:57:04 PM »
The attached images are from the linked Youtube video that discusses a recently discovered relict glacier (see the first image) near the Noctis Landing site (see the second image from Lee et al 2015) that is near Valles Marineris where I have recommended that Musk position his main cities on Mars and this newly discovered relict glacier could readily provide water for such a city.

NEW DISCOVERY! Huge water source found on Mars in a perfect place for a SpaceX Colony!! - YouTube …

I was rather surprised to see the specific reference to a “SpaceX colony” — until I looked around NASA’s Mars website and could find no mention of any “boots on Mars” targets.  Even NASA’s “Orion crewed Mars fly-by in the late 2030’s” has disappeared.  But NASA will be eager to support rovers, helicopters and science experiments to fly on SpaceX’s early uncrewed Starship Mars landings, and no doubt will “get on board” with humans later.
 
I’m relieved to see I’m not the only one suggesting those high plateaus would be a great location for solar panels. ;)

Possible lava tubes with water ice — they would be a great help for long term habitats.  Noctis Landing looks to be a treasure trove for exploration and habitation. 
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Nerd out with two NASA astrobiologists as they discuss how they design spacecraft to search our solar system for non-Earth life.
Last ten minutes includes a brief discussion of bio-ethics and law regarding life off earth.

Developing Scientific Instruments in the Search for Life with Drs. Stephanie Getty & Richard Quinn!
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Tech Strikes Back

“Accelerationism” is an overdue corrective to years of doom and gloom in Silicon Valley.


A new tech ideology is ascendant online. “Introducing effective accelerationism,” the pseudonymous user Beff Jezos tweeted, rather grandly, in May 2022. “E/acc” — pronounced ee-ack — “is a direct product [of the] tech Twitter schizosphere,” he wrote. “We hope you join us in this new endeavour.”

The reaction from Jezos’s peers was a mix of positive, critical, and perplexed. “What the f*** is e/acc,” posted multiple users. “Accelerationism is unfortunately now just a buzzword,” sighed political scientist Samo Burja, referring to a related concept popularized around 2017. “I guess unavoidable for Twitter subcultures?” “These [people] are absolutely bonkers,” grumbled Timnit Gebru, an artificial intelligence researcher and activist who frequently criticizes the tech industry. “Their fanaticism + god complex is exhausting.”

Despite the criticism, e/acc persists, and is growing, in the tech hive mind. E/acc’s founders believe that the tech world has become captive to a monoculture. If it becomes paralyzed by a fear of the future, it will never produce meaningful benefits. Instead, e/acc encourages more ideas, more growth, more competition, more action. “Whether you’re building a family, a startup, a spaceship, a robot, or better energy policy, just build,” writes one anonymous poster. “Do something hard. Do it for everyone who comes next. That’s it. Existence will take care of the rest.”

Jezos admits that his initial announcement was a bit of a “shitpost.” And e/acc’s perceived lack of clarity — what, exactly, are they advocating for? — makes it tempting to dismiss it. Nevertheless, it has since caught the attention of a growing number of tech figures: venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, Y Combinator president Garry Tan, Notion co-founder Chris Prucha, Intercom co-founder Ciaran Lee, and science investor and former U.S. state official Jim O’Neill, some of whom add “e/acc” to their online display names and bios as a sign of solidarity.

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