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« Reply #100 on: January 15, 2021, 05:32:42 PM »
Another scary fact from history:

Hitler and the Nazi party attempted a coup in 1923, which little to no consequence.   In 1933, he rose to power.

Reminds me of "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it".


Germany was mired in prolonged economic despair.  While most of the western countries were enjoying the roaring 20s, Germany was mired in a hyperinflationary economy.  The treaty of Versailles demanded monetary reparations from Germany.  Germany started paying this debts in 1920, but by 1923 was falling behind.  To compensate for the lack of payment, a combined French-Belgium military occupied the Ruhr valley industrial region.  This lead to Germany falling further behind in its debts.  To pay these mounting debts, Germany began printing money uncontrollably.  During 1923, the price of a loaf of bread ballooned from 250 marks to 200 trillion, as the mark was not tied to any hard asset.  To curtail inflation and stabilize its currency, the government issued a new currency (the Reichsmark) in 1924, and started borrowing money from the U.S. to back the currency.  That worked well until the crash of 1929.  The U.S. began to recall the loans, and many German businesses folded, resulting in skyrocketing unemployment, reaching 40% by 1933.  The people had reached a breaking point.  More than a decade of economic despair left the people ready to try anything, and the Nazi party filled the bill. 

Perhaps a dozen from now, if the situation in the U.S. mirrors Germany in the 1920s and 30s, a similar result could happen.  However, Trump would be 86 (if he is still alive).  Hitler was half that.






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« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2021, 01:30:39 AM »
Another scary fact from history:

Hitler and the Nazi party attempted a coup in 1923, which little to no consequence.   In 1933, he rose to power.




Germany was [clipped  ;D]
Perhaps a dozen from now, if the situation in the U.S. mirrors Germany in the 1920s and 30s, a similar result could happen.  However, Trump would be 86 (if he is still alive).  Hitler was half that.




History is one of those things that echoes, maybe rhymes at times.    I think most history people would argue that Trump just showed the way to "how IT could be done."  Although, that's probably not going to 'work' the next time someone tries the same thing; especially as Trump continues to perform as expected.   There's still a bit of a chance that some demagogue will try the same thing, but if the consequences from the failed coup are severe the risk will be lower.   (according to my irrelevant opinion)

One could also compare the issues that the USA faces to the ones that existed after their Civil War.    These days the plantation owners are the owners of the large corporations that keep a lot of people as 'wage slaves'.   There's got to be room in the economy for what Lincoln called 'Free Labour' otherwise our corporate overlords could revert to some nasty old ways.   Reconstruction after the Civil War was interrupted, unlike the de-Nazification of Germany.

2021 should be much better than 2020.   
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« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2021, 07:28:43 AM »
Some good news: Sherrod Brown chairs the banking committee and Bernie Sanders the Budget committee in the senate. Wall Street dont like that one bit.

What's Elizabeth Warren up to ? I think she should remain in the senate on a committee with teeth, like the two above.

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« Reply #103 on: January 19, 2021, 04:01:28 AM »
Would it kill you guys to focus on solutions and what can be achieved rather than indulge in the US becoming a dictatorship or lamenting what could be? I don't think that's too much to ask. The rampant negativity on this thread isn't helpful

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« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2021, 06:50:51 AM »
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I thought sherrod as senate banking chair and bernie same on budget is good news. Unless, of course, i were part of the banking mafia.

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« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2021, 05:38:52 PM »
It is good news, but you guys seem to be forgetting reconciliation in the Senate. Also, the idea that conservative Dems along with Repubs in the Senate will curtail climate legislation is unfounded. The only Senate Dem who would do that is Manchin, and he'll go along with most of what Dems want as long as West Virginia gets a piece of the pie

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« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2021, 10:24:29 PM »
mitch mconnell: Capitol hill mob was 'provoked' by trump


See trump it sucks to be thrown in front of a bus by your allies. It is not like you came up with the idea but most people are more strategic about it. mconnell waited until you were no longer usefull to him instead of letting his ego make the decision. Hope to see you in prison soon.

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« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2021, 10:56:29 PM »
It is good news, but you guys seem to be forgetting reconciliation in the Senate. Also, the idea that conservative Dems along with Repubs in the Senate will curtail climate legislation is unfounded. The only Senate Dem who would do that is Manchin, and he'll go along with most of what Dems want as long as West Virginia gets a piece of the pie

During the vote on the new green deal, two other democrats voted with the Republicans, Angus King and Krysten Sinema.  The rest of the Democrats voted present to avoid an awkward confrontation.

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« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2021, 11:35:36 PM »
Joe is getting off to a good start.  The inaugural vigil was inspiring.

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« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2021, 01:45:54 AM »
As do I

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« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2021, 02:43:17 PM »
Despair, depression, and the inevitable rise of Trump 2.0: Glenn Greenwald tells RT his Biden administration predictions
https://www.rt.com/usa/512749-greenwald-biden-elections-prediction/
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“It’s not a coincidence that after eight years of Obama and Biden, we got Donald Trump,” he said. “Obviously, if you go back and do exactly the same thing that the ‘Obiden’ administration did for 8 years, which is what Biden’s preparing to do, any rational person has to expect the same outcome.”

On the other hand, if Joe learns from the last dozen years...
Four rules that should guide Bidenomics
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Rule No. 1: Don’t doubt the power of government to help.
Rule No. 2: Don’t obsess about debt.
Rule No. 3: Don’t worry about inflation.
Rule No. 4: Don’t count on Republicans to help govern.
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« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2021, 02:44:15 PM »
A view from AussieLand

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/we-made-it-happy-united-states-presidential-inauguration-day-everyone
We made it! Happy United States presidential inauguration day everyone!
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« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2021, 02:52:56 PM »
A really dumb comic strip. Biden isn't a tool of the so-called military-industrial complex, and he actually does give a damn about climate change. Whoever wrote this junk would know that if they bothered to look at his climate plan.

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« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2021, 06:27:24 PM »
Amanda Gorman was AWESOME!!!! 🙂

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« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2021, 06:29:00 PM »
what a joy to listen to America's poet laurate , Amanda Gorman . b.c.
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« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2021, 10:27:51 PM »
A really dumb comic strip. Biden isn't a tool of the so-called military-industrial complex, and he actually does give a damn about climate change. Whoever wrote this junk would know that if they bothered to look at his climate plan.
It is cerainly true that the term "military-industrial complex" is somewhat last century (warning by Eisenhower at the end of his Presidency).

The military-industrial complex is very much a junior partner these days.
It has been replaced mostly by Wall Street / Financial Institutions and now also by Big-Tech (though they may have blown it).

It is also certainly true that Biden is a Corporate Democrat to the core. I was interested to note that Amazon was one of the corporate donors invited to the inauguration. (Were any ordinary members of the public invited?)

The smart Wall Street money has clocked that the real money is to be made in the new industries linked to climate change. Fossil fuel companies and legacy automakers are already feeling the chill. Hence a bold climate change plan is pushing at an open door. Though will that just be promoting renewables + EVs, or will it include actively erecting obstacles to fossil fuel investments?

The smart Wall Street money also knows it needs internationalism - including smart immigrants. Though that internationalism is likely to be limited as it seems many Democrats and Republicans share various shades of protectionism.

The real test will be doing something about economic / education / housing etc etc inequality. Infrastructure spending - no problem $$$.

A more progressive taxation regime? Now we are talking hardball.

I hope Biden gets much of his agenda through. Though if he does I will be jealous as our idiot Boris leads us into permanent decline on this side of the pond.
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« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2021, 10:31:26 PM »
A really dumb comic strip. Biden isn't a tool of the so-called military-industrial complex, and he actually does give a damn about climate change. Whoever wrote this junk would know that if they bothered to look at his climate plan.
It is cerainly true that the term "military-industrial complex" is somewhat last century (warning by Eisenhower at the end of his Presidency).

The military-industrial complex is very much a junior partner these days.
It has been replaced mostly by Wall Street / Financial Institutions and now also by Big-Tech (though they may have blown it).

It is also certainly true that Biden is a Corporate Democrat to the core. I was interested to note that Amazon was one of the corporate donors invited to the inauguration. (Were any ordinary members of the public invited?)

The smart Wall Street money has clocked that the real money is to be made in the new industries linked to climate change. Fossil fuel companies and legacy automakers are already feeling the chill. Hence a bold climate change plan is pushing at an open door. Though will that just be promoting renewables + EVs, or will it include actively erecting obstacles to fossil fuel investments?

The smart Wall Street money also knows it needs internationalism - including smart immigrants. Though that internationalism is likely to be limited as it seems many Democrats and Republicans share various shades of protectionism.

The real test will be doing something about economic / education / housing etc etc inequality. Infrastructure spending - no problem $$$.

A more progressive taxation regime? Now we are talking hardball.

I hope Biden gets much of his agenda through. Though if he does I will be jealous as our idiot Boris leads us into permanent decline on this side of the pond.

An excellent analysis

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« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2021, 11:20:36 PM »
His comments on not banning fracking answer that question. IMO oil dies mostly from a reduction in demand not from a drop in supply. The US needs a regulatory frame work that punishes legacy automakers for not selling an increasing fraction of fully electric cars. 10% this year 20% next year etc.

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« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2021, 12:30:04 AM »
Two good things: Biden extends eviction moratorium unti March, pause on (federal) student loan payments until September.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/joe-biden-executive-action-blitz-day-one-460587

buncha other stuff in there too. Those caught my eye because i really hate to see people getting thrown out midwinter. And student loan terms are obscene to begin with.

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« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2021, 04:25:03 AM »
His comments on not banning fracking answer that question. IMO oil dies mostly from a reduction in demand not from a drop in supply. The US needs a regulatory frame work that punishes legacy automakers for not selling an increasing fraction of fully electric cars. 10% this year 20% next year etc.

In order for automakers to sell more electric vehicles, there needs to be more buyers.  Similar to your supply and demand for oil.

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« Reply #120 on: January 21, 2021, 04:26:37 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55744470
Tom Hanks hosts star-studded concert for Joe Biden's inauguration
Others suggested a prediction previously made on The Simpsons, that Hanks would address the nation during a moment of "national chaos", had now come true.


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« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2021, 11:17:46 AM »
looks like Joe has done more work in 2 days than donald did in 2 years . To restore some balance he needs to go golfing for the next 9 months ... b.c.
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« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2021, 03:02:28 PM »
Our First Anti-Catholic “Catholic” President
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Cupich’s criticisms of his fellow bishops are themselves also quite unprecedented. Then again, the thing that’s most “unprecedented” – that’s given rise to these recent in-house Catholic squabbles – is the election of a self-described “Catholic” president, who not only believes personally that abortion, gay “marriage” (he performed one as vice-president), transgenderism (“the civil rights issue of our time”), and much more are matters of overriding political urgency, despite the long teachings of the Church and American history. He’s determined – actually seems to be going out of his way – to impose those views. On all of us.
Biden is perfectly free to advocate his views. But since they contradicy Catholic doctrine he should not call himself Catholic. If you don't believe what the Church teaches, just be honest and leave the Church! That's perfectly legal.
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« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2021, 04:22:53 PM »
Tom , are you really so stuck on dogma that you preferred a mad dog to a Christian and now complain that you have a catholic President who puts his Christianity first ?
  'Love one-another ' is the over-riding direction of Jesus . He also said 'judge not .. ' . To find fault in those seeking to express their lives differently to you is simply un-Christian , no matter how 'catholic' your tastes . b.c.
 
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« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2021, 04:49:06 PM »
Biden is perfectly free to advocate his views. But since they contradicy Catholic doctrine he should not call himself Catholic. If you don't believe what the Church teaches, just be honest and leave the Church! That's perfectly legal.
Not at all.  There is no contradiction with any religion to expect government to be secular.  No need to deprive, e.g., transgender people of their rights, or deny women their reproductive rights, just because some religions would see their conduct as "sinful."  A secular government is the best way to protect religious freedom of individuals.

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« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2021, 06:53:35 PM »
Biden is perfectly free to deny Catholic Dogma. But then he should not call himself Catholic. If you wear the mantle of Catholicism, believe and practice what the RCC teaches. You can't have it both ways.

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.. Tom .. I cannot allow you to argue the case for Catholic dogma against Christianity here . We can leave it to the pope to take up the mantle of your argument . I'm sure they will be meeting in the next year or two ; (although the pope has certainly indicated he believes you can 'have it both ways'). As 'thecatholicthing' describes it , it is an 'in-house catholic squabble' .  b.c.
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« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2021, 10:16:42 PM »
Biden has taken an oath to defemd to the best of his ability the US Constitution.

The US Constitution has embedded within it the separation of Church and State and the rejection of rule by Kings. Much of that came from political thought influenced by events in France where the people were oppressed by the Monarchy and nobility with the total support of the Catholic Church (until 1789)

Biden is bound by his oath of office to refuse to limit by decree the rights of the people or impose laws demanded by the evangelical christians amongst many others. It is a great pity that the following is now embedded in the US psyche.

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" In God We Trust " is the official motto of the United States of America and of the U.S. state of Florida. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, supplanting E pluribus unum, which had been in use since the initial 1776 design of the Great Seal of the United States.

It seems to me that Biden is right to be trying a bit more of "E pluribus unum" as opposed to Trump's totally hypocritical "In God We Trust".


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« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2021, 10:59:53 PM »
Biden...ah, a Christian who actually goes to Church! And hasn't had multiple divorces. Hmmm

geront, that 'God' language came in at about the same time as 'under God' was introduced into the pledge of allegiance that all kids were forced to say every day at school. They were both part of the red scare hysteria, seen as a way to weed out 'godless commies.'

We would be a much better (and frankly more truly Christian) nation if we had allowed more Communists and Socialist into policy making decisions and into the national dialogue during these years.
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