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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4950 on: September 10, 2018, 11:47:24 PM »
Hilarious. Trump "sowing dysfunctional chaos. Again I say Hilarious.

Its possible that we should be grateful that Trump is as incompetent as he clearly is, but I doubt it.
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« Reply #4951 on: September 11, 2018, 12:20:48 AM »
"Judges and prosecutors with the International Criminal Court (ICC) would be barred from entering the US and their funds in the US would be sanctioned.

"We will prosecute them in the US criminal system. We will do the same for any company or state that assists an ICC investigation of Americans.""

They're our rapists and killers and torturers. Don't you dare prosecute them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45474864

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4952 on: September 11, 2018, 05:10:57 PM »
Heard there's a Trump rally somewhere on North Carolina east coast in a couple of days. The location for the rally has been specially selected, for the verminious democracy-supporters and their spies heed to fake news about some tropical storm. "No there is no Climate, it's all weather so there can't be climate change", one of the organizer said, and added "Sad fake news!"
Cooling the outside by heat pump.

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« Reply #4953 on: September 11, 2018, 10:48:04 PM »
Woodward keeps the pressure on the Trump Administration:

Title: "Bob Woodward Says ‘Key’ Trump Official Told Him New Book Is ‘1,000-Percent Correct’"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bob-woodward-new-book-1000-percent-correct_us_5b97f398e4b0162f47317288

Extract: "“One key person who’s in office called me and said, ‘Everyone knows what you said here is true. It’s 1,000-percent correct.’ And then this person has said some public things that contradict that,” Woodward, who did not name the official, told the Times’ Michael S. Schmidt."
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4954 on: September 12, 2018, 08:10:16 AM »
Woodward keeps the pressure on the Trump Administration:

Title: "Bob Woodward Says ‘Key’ Trump Official Told Him New Book Is ‘1,000-Percent Correct’"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bob-woodward-new-book-1000-percent-correct_us_5b97f398e4b0162f47317288

Extract: "“One key person who’s in office called me and said, ‘Everyone knows what you said here is true. It’s 1,000-percent correct.’ And then this person has said some public things that contradict that,” Woodward, who did not name the official, told the Times’ Michael S. Schmidt."


And maybe Woodward has his "reasons"
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/19174#efmAMfANh


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« Reply #4955 on: September 12, 2018, 08:44:44 PM »
Bacevich points out that Trump is a symptom. Ridding the nation of Trump will not cure the disease, which took root a long time ago.

"nothing of substance has changed."

"Post-Trump America, just now beginning to come into view, is shaping up to look remarkably like pre-Trump America. "

"If you spend your days watching CNN or MSNBC or reading columnists employed by the New York Times and the Washington Post, you might conclude otherwise. But those are among the institutions that, on November 8, 2016, suffered a nervous breakdown from which they have yet to recover. Nor, it now seems clear, do they wish to recover as long as Donald Trump remains president. To live in a perpetual state of high dudgeon, denouncing his latest inanity and predicting the onset of fascism, is to enjoy the equivalent of a protracted psychic orgasm, one induced by mutual masturbation. "

"Donald Trump played no role in creating this America or consigning the America of 1946 to oblivion. "

"In 1946, it goes without saying, he would never have been taken seriously as a would-be presidential candidate. By 2016, his narcissism, bombast, vulgarity, and talent for self-promotion nicely expressed the underside of the prevailing zeitgeist. His candidacy was simultaneously preposterous, yet strangely fitting."

"Trump’s critics may see him as an abomination. But he is also one of us."

"Trump is not the problem. Think of him instead as a summons to address the real problem"

https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/irrelevance-plutocratic-security.html

Bacevich is always worth reading.

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« Reply #4956 on: September 12, 2018, 09:15:28 PM »
Seven of ten people in the USA don't think that Trump broke the law during 2016 campaign.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/241970/three-say-trump-acted-illegally-during-2016-campaign.aspx

All Russian puppets, Putin stooges, no doubt.

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« Reply #4957 on: September 12, 2018, 09:26:26 PM »
Looks like the Russian Trolls are busy today.  I figured that as the polls began to worsen for Traitor Trump, the trolling would amp up.

I think that Donnie should go ahead and sit down with Mueller (as he said he would) and tell him the truth.  Why wouldn’t Donnie do that if he had nothing to hide?  Just tell the truth.... very simple.

1). Why didn’t Donnie fire Flynn early on when he KNEW that Flynn had been compromised?

2). Why did so many in Trumps camp lie about meeting with Russians?

3). What really happened to all the money in the inauguration fund?

4). Why did Mike Pence lie about his knowledge of Flynn being compromised?

If the Republicans lose the House, get ready for a healthy dose of the truth via public hearings.

Donnie is now sweating bullets, and so are his trolls. 😱


« Last Edit: September 12, 2018, 09:37:22 PM by Buddy »
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« Reply #4958 on: September 12, 2018, 09:33:44 PM »
Probably well over 70% of Americans don't think water vapor is a greenhouse gas. Should that be determinative for whether it is or not?

On Basevich, yes, great writer with many good insights, plus some blind spots (which we all have, obviously). The only part from what you quoted that I would have much problem with is the claim that Trump 'played no role in creating this America.'

Sure, it was a minor role up till his presidential run, but from his call for executing the Central Park Five to his birther conspiracies, he definitely played some role in augmenting and legitimizing the hate and racism that has always lain deep (and sometimes not so deep) in the American underbelly. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html

But then these are quotes out of context, so hard to judge whether he actually acknowledges these facts elsewhere.

Buddy--yeah, the polling is looking worse and worse for the Trumpster and his merry Rethugs. But I do wish we could have more confidence in polls. They missed not only the original Trump victory, but many of the 'upsets' recently by non-corporate Dems. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646816285/poll-midwest-abandons-trump-fueling-democratic-advantage-for-control-of-congress

« Last Edit: September 12, 2018, 09:39:18 PM by wili »
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4959 on: September 12, 2018, 11:16:51 PM »
The US is growing “tired” of Trump.  His “schtic” is wearing thin for more and more people.  And it is no surprise to me.  More and more people are tired of his lying.  He is losing Independent voters at a high rate.  He is losing Midwestern voters.  Donnie is wearing thin .... and his trust numbers are evaporating.

And there are STILL several political bombs that have not yet been unearthed.  The next month .... like the last .... should be even more eventful.... and take Trumps numbers lower still.
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« Reply #4960 on: September 12, 2018, 11:47:36 PM »
Re: Bacevich "quotes out of context"

The full article is linked in my post.

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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4961 on: September 13, 2018, 12:39:02 AM »
Bullard thinks Trump helped the economy

"I definitely think that the political change had an influence; I think that this is a pro-business administration that wanted to pursue strategies that were focused on economic growth,"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-bullard/trump-definitely-boosted-u-s-growth-feds-bullard-says-idUSKCN1LS2AO

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/406297-fed-president-trump-definitely-influenced-economic-growth

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« Reply #4962 on: September 13, 2018, 02:42:05 AM »
I wonder if millions of Japanese, Koreans, and perhaps a few Chinese and Russians wouldn't have preferred the Orange One to "Give 'em Hell Harry" - who still tops my short list for the worst American Ever.


Consigning "the America of 1946 into oblivion" would be an act of kindness that post 1946 America has done little to earn. The Presidential election of 1948 demonstrated that American voters need no outside electoral interference to elect a monster to the Nation's highest office.




600 days plus without a major conflict, no wonder the MIC has it's propagandists working longer shifts than Musk's assembly line "affiliates".
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« Reply #4963 on: September 13, 2018, 02:46:18 AM »
Buddy
The votes you need to attract think a schtic is something New Yorkers beat their toy poodles with.
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« Reply #4964 on: September 13, 2018, 03:41:38 AM »
It's a damn good thing for Trump that he's not on the ballot this go round. The 70% super majority that haven't yet been convinced by Mueller's well publicized "schtic" over the past 600+ days, probably won't be convinced by an "October Surprise", should this non-politicized investigator attempt to pull one out of his voluminous top hat.


The whole "Russians under your bed" thing's best before date was 1954. Now it just stinks up the news cycle.


The Russian Trump Conspiracy still plays in LA & NY. In Cities that spell out their whole name people are asking about good jobs, good healthcare and the possibility of little Johnny acquiring an education without shouldering a big chunk of the National Debt.


Neither party's offering many answers, so some will trudge to the polls, unless the weather turns. Some still believe that votes matter, most have someone to vote against, but if HBO re-airs Game of Thrones, Dominoes will have to put on extra drivers.


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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4965 on: September 13, 2018, 11:29:45 AM »
Sure, it was a minor role up till his presidential run, but from his call for executing the Central Park Five to his birther conspiracies, he definitely played some role in augmenting and legitimizing the hate and racism that has always lain deep (and sometimes not so deep) in the American underbelly. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html
Also he was one of the first 9/11 theorists! (*)

Plus, he is/was good friends with the boss of the National Enquirer.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/12/why-trump-s-supermarket-tabloid-alliance-poses-problem-press/210393


Bacevich points out that Trump is a symptom. Ridding the nation of Trump will not cure the disease, which took root a long time ago.
Looks more like Trump is part of the disease. Not just a symptom, but more like a metastasis.


P.S.:
(*) Heck, has nobody seen or shared this Trump 9/11 interview? (All I heard and saw is from a different interview (?) where he bragged about his tower now being the highest.)
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« Reply #4966 on: September 13, 2018, 10:37:08 PM »
USUALLY ..... you have to peel a political onion.  Now ... we are seeing an onion (Trump) ... peeling himself.  Day by day .... week by week .... Trump continues to unwind and reveal himself.  He is so rotten to the core, without any ability to empathize, without any ability to look inward at his actions ... he will continue to make a fool of himself, and to bring down many of those who back him.

The worst is yet to come .....
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« Reply #4967 on: September 14, 2018, 08:28:14 AM »
After hours of twitter rants on the morning of Sept 11, Trump realized that it was a day of mourning.
So he posted this picture in a tweet :

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1039489954223542274



But that picture was not taken on Sept 11, 2018.
It was raining in DC that day and besides, the picture features Omorosa, Hope Hicks and Ty Cobb, which are long gone from the Trump administration.



This is when he arrived in Pennsylvania to honor the victims of flight 93 :



and this is Trump at the flight 93 memorial :



What a moron.
That's all I can say.
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« Reply #4968 on: September 14, 2018, 08:55:15 AM »
The top picture...yes- that is weird to do.
The other two pictures... you are being disingenuous- he is doing those motions to fans cheering for him. Watch the video.



Zero wrong with that.

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« Reply #4969 on: September 15, 2018, 06:56:39 AM »
 The Washington Post has documented 4229 lies by "don'T rump", as of Aug. 1, 2018, at a rate of 7.6 lies per day. At that given rate extrapolated to today, "don'T rump" should have lied 4571 times. However, the Washington Post reports "don'T rump" lies are up to 5000, showing that "don't rump" is getting nervous. Now that 5 hirees of "don'T rump" have been convicted (& flipped) for a Robert Mueller 100% prosecution (& flip) rate, "don't rump" may only has his children to place between himself & the Robert Mueller chopping block. When such occurs, "don'T rump" has to worry about losing his fingers, along with his relatives. Maybe "don'T rump" can hunch down & hide behind innocent Barron, who is a growing boy.   

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« Reply #4970 on: September 15, 2018, 07:21:58 AM »
And you consciously choose "to believe" the Washington Post's reporting......
Ah, Lurk earns his name, answering within minutes, even giving years' old fishheads which I never smelled. Ya ken tell Lurk listens intently to FOX, which was created only to keep future re-pubic-lick-un PRESSY-Dents from impeachment. Jawohl!  That Robert Mueller chopper is makin' "don'T rump" nervous......5000 lies & rising. Seems that the Post will report more "don'T rump" lies & I'll do more..... extrapolatin'. 

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« Reply #4971 on: September 15, 2018, 07:30:53 AM »
While everyone keeps focusing on Trumps "disapproval" ratings they ignore the fact he is much more popular than Congress is.
"yes people" don' get no respect, specially dem dar "re-pubic-lick-un" con-greasy-men & See-not-turds. 

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« Reply #4972 on: September 15, 2018, 02:19:47 PM »
..... who are Johnson and Stein?
Maybe they meant......
Johann Andreas Stein, (born May 6, 1728, Heidesheim, Speyer [Germany]—died Feb. 29, 1792, Augsburg, Bavaria [Germany]), German piano builder, and also a maker of organs and harpsichords, who was the first of a distinguished family of piano makers.

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« Reply #4973 on: September 16, 2018, 10:45:59 PM »
We will see what this news does to Kavanaugh's confirmation vote currently scheduled for next week:

Title: "Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, comes forward in the Washington Post"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/16/17866988/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post

Extract: "The woman who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of forcing himself on her when they were in high school has reluctantly come forward, telling the Washington Post that Kavanaugh pinned her down, groped her over her clothes, and tried to take off her bathing suit and outer clothing in a frightening assault.

Christine Blasey Ford, a professor at Palo Alto University in California, spoke to the Washington Post’s Emma Brown in an article published on Sunday. She revealed herself to be the author of a letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) that was eventually sent to the FBI about the alleged incident.


While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."
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« Reply #4974 on: September 16, 2018, 11:47:28 PM »
And you consciously choose "to believe" the Washington Post's reporting......
Ah, Lurk earns his name, answering within minutes, even giving years' old fishheads which I never smelled. Ya ken tell Lurk listens intently to FOX, which was created only to keep future re-pubic-lick-un PRESSY-Dents from impeachment. Jawohl!  That Robert Mueller chopper is makin' "don'T rump" nervous......5000 lies & rising. Seems that the Post will report more "don'T rump" lies & I'll do more..... extrapolatin'.

What a nice wank that was.
"pears Lurch is gettin' nervous 'bout "don'T rump" lies. Lurch seyz he don't care fer "don'T rump", altho he supports him more than a jockstrap.

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« Reply #4975 on: September 17, 2018, 05:05:21 AM »
And you consciously choose "to believe" the Washington Post's reporting......
Ah, Lurk earns his name, answering within minutes, even giving years' old fishheads which I never smelled. Ya ken tell Lurk listens intently to FOX, which was created only to keep future re-pubic-lick-un PRESSY-Dents from impeachment. Jawohl!  That Robert Mueller chopper is makin' "don'T rump" nervous......5000 lies & rising. Seems that the Post will report more "don'T rump" lies & I'll do more..... extrapolatin'.

What a nice wank that was.
"pears Lurch is gettin' nervous 'bout "don'T rump" lies. Lurch seyz he don't care fer "don'T rump", altho he supports him more than a jockstrap.

Psycho Troll

Whatever you call him, Litesong has a point.

This all started with this claim by litesong :

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The Washington Post has documented 4229 lies by "don'T rump", as of Aug. 1, 2018, at a rate of 7.6 lies per day. At that given rate extrapolated to today, "don'T rump" should have lied 4571 times. However, the Washington Post reports "don'T rump" lies are up to 5000, showing that "don't rump" is getting nervous.

Which comes from here :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?utm_term=.d2da3ded2a68

Which you attacked right away by questioning the credibility of the Washington Post about the war in Iraq (without giving any reference) and not addressing the subject of the comment.

If you dispute that Trump told 4229 lies as of Aug 1,2018, than please present some counter evidence that shows the Washington Post is wrong.

I checked around a bit, and Trump's record is abysmal. Here is politifact's overview :
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Only 5% of his statements analyzed are labeled 'true'.
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« Reply #4976 on: September 17, 2018, 07:27:51 AM »

Whatever you call him, Litesong has a point.

This all started with this claim by litesong :

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The Washington Post has documented 4229 lies by "don'T rump", as of Aug. 1, 2018, at a rate of 7.6 lies per day. At that given rate extrapolated to today, "don'T rump" should have lied 4571 times. However, the Washington Post reports "don'T rump" lies are up to 5000, showing that "don't rump" is getting nervous.

Which comes from here :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?utm_term=.d2da3ded2a68

Which you attacked right away by questioning the credibility of the Washington Post about the war in Iraq (without giving any reference) and not addressing the subject of the comment.

If you dispute that Trump told 4229 lies as of Aug 1,2018, than please present some counter evidence that shows the Washington Post is wrong.

I checked around a bit, and Trump's record is abysmal. Here is politifact's overview :
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Only 5% of his statements analyzed are labeled 'true'.

Another Psycho Troll too stupid for words.

I do try to practice Desiderata but Rob (and Litesong) make it impossible to do so.
"and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story."
which is always a dull and the ignorant story not worth hearing, ever. Please go tell your mother, your priest or your therapist instead. I am not interested in your stupid fantasies, your ignorance, your time wasting, nor your trolling BS.

That's Lurk at his best. You should see him at his worst.

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Since Hillary first appeared on the international news in 1992 I have known she lies as easily and as often as she breathes. I'm no genius but I knew Trump was a hyper-salesman, a sophist and a compulsive liar and a manipulator par excellance - his word never to be trusted - long before he ever ran for office.

If you knew that Trump was a compulsive lier, then why do you drag Hillary into your argument ?

Hillary scores a whopping 5X higher on the politico scale in telling the truth than Trump does :
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

In fact, I challenge you to find ANY politician speaking the truth more often than Hillary Clinton.
Use politico or any other fact-checking service as your evidence, please.

Your fact-free rant about the WaPo ignored, but noted.
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« Reply #4977 on: September 17, 2018, 08:13:13 AM »

In fact, I challenge you to find ANY politician speaking the truth more often than Hillary Clinton.
Use politico or any other fact-checking service as your evidence, please.

Your fact-free rant about the WaPo ignored, but noted.

Hillary doesn't lie. Ever.

She just changes he mind. Misspeaks. Forgets.



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« Reply #4978 on: September 17, 2018, 08:16:51 AM »

If you dispute that Trump told 4229 lies as of Aug 1,2018, than please present some counter evidence that shows the Washington Post is wrong.

When you say really stupid things like that it only makes me think you're quite mad.

Do they "define" lies Rob?

Should I do what you imagine works by simply proving one of those 4,229 claims are wrong/false then proves they are not credible about anything ... this is the standard you applied to the two skripal suspects in their interview, right, and to the Kremlin For'n. Ministry spokesperson, yes?

So does this apply to the WaPo's 4,229 claims too?

And to what you have ever said on the ASIF too? 

Sure Lurk. Try and debunk ANY of the Washington Post's 4229 claims.
Or ANYTHING that I said on the ASIF.
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« Reply #4979 on: September 17, 2018, 09:13:41 AM »
Go ahead. Make my day.


... Punk!

Debunking is for losers.

Thank you for making my point, and my day.
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« Reply #4980 on: September 17, 2018, 04:55:54 PM »
Are the GOP members on the Senate Judiciary Committee planning to call Ford to a public hearing so that they can bully her?

Title: "Brett Kavanaugh accuser wants to cooperate on investigation but not be part of 'bloodletting': Attorney"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kavanaugh-accuser-cooperate-probe-part-bloodletting-attorney/story?id=57875179

Extract: "Katz said, "It's not clear what the Republicans are saying. I was listening to some reporting this morning saying that they're going to fight this tooth and nail, that they're going to grill her. That's hardly an effort to get into a fair and thorough investigation of what has occurred. That's a very intimidating statement and it really is designed to scare her and make her not want to come forward."

"What I'm saying is this has to be fair and thorough and it can't be part of a slugging match," Katz said. "If we're really trying to get at the truth, the hearings should not be used to weaponize against those who accuse powerful men," Katz said. "I think that her story has to be carefully listened to and vetted, but thus far the nominee has refused to even acknowledge if he knows her or if he went to school with her.""
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« Reply #4981 on: September 17, 2018, 05:05:19 PM »
Debunking is for losers.
The only thing Global warming deniers, re-pubic-lick-uns & Lurch can debunk is...... falling out of the upper bunk.

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« Reply #4982 on: September 17, 2018, 05:08:35 PM »
Is Tom Arnold making progress in exposing the Trump tape(s) from 'The Apprentice'?

Title: " 'Trump Tapes' Host Tom Arnold and Mark Burnett Get In a Fight Before a Pre-Emmys Party"

https://www.ksdk.com/video/syndication/veuer/trump-tapes-host-tom-arnold-and-mark-burnett-get-in-a-fight-before-a-pre-emmys-party/602-8253851

Extract: "Actor Tom Arnold and longtime 'Apprentice' producer Mark Burnett apparently had a physical confrontation before a Pre-Emmys party."

See also:

Title: "Tom Arnold is on “The Hunt for the Trump Tapes”"

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/16/tom-arnold-is-on-the-hunt-for-the-trump-tapes/

Extract: "Salon talks to the comic about his show and why he says it’s making “The Apprentice” creator Mark Burnett so angry"
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« Reply #4983 on: September 18, 2018, 01:40:03 AM »
Keep in mind that Donnie is going to try and RAM the Kavanaugh nomnination through as quickly as he can.  He certainly doesn't want the FBI to get involved and get to the truth.  Trump will need two things if he stays in office past this coming November's election:

1)  As many senators on his side as possible
2)  As many Supreme Court Justices on his side as possible

There WILL be cases going to the Supreme Court if Donnie doesn't implode before the November elections.  And if the Republicans lost the Senate (which is unlikely BUT possible) ..... then the whole country (US) will be watching WALL TO WALL coverage of Senate AND House investigations into Trump.

I will be curious to find out if the FBI is going to get involved with the Kavanaugh "victim's" story.   There are a couple different routes that can take .... more on that later.

 

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« Reply #4984 on: September 18, 2018, 05:57:19 AM »
Trump doubles down: 

"new tariffs, to take effect next Monday, would initially be set at 10%, but climb to 25% in the new year. "

" “If China takes retaliatory action against our farmers or other industries, we will immediately pursue phase three, which is tariffs on approximately $267 billion of additional imports,” Trump said in a statement. "

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-china-trade-war-20180917-story.html

I think he forgot who he's dealing with.

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« Reply #4985 on: September 18, 2018, 08:44:39 AM »
Quite a graphic :

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« Reply #4986 on: September 18, 2018, 09:59:11 AM »
Quite a graphic :

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Not sure you would want an investigation on that, probably you will find total incompetence of the local government before and after the event.

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« Reply #4987 on: September 18, 2018, 10:54:24 AM »
My work in various countries, occasionally included giving an opinion as to the legality or otherwise of a Government's or company's or individuals' actions. A dodgy business for a foreigner.

An Attorney General, when I was in a quandary, once told me - no matter what it is, you can always follow it back to the Constitution, which, after all, is what the Supreme Court is there for.

From what I have read over the years, increasingly the Supreme Court relies purely on the meaning of the words of the Constitution. This is in stark contrast to the view of Abraham Lincoln, who, alluding to Proverbs 25,  called it the “picture of silver” inside of which was the “apple of gold,” the Declaration of Independence. “I never had a feeling politically,” Lincoln declared, “that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence”, especially the “self-evident” truth that “all men are created equal” in their God-given natural rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Indeed, from his earliest days in politics, Lincoln maintained that equality of natural rights “is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest.” .

Americans are not bound together “by blood,” he declared; rather, it “is the electric cord in that Declaration that links the hearts of patriotic and liberty-loving men together, that will link those patriotic hearts as long as the love of freedom exists in the minds of men throughout the world.” It was the Declaration, not the Constitution, which formed the moral and political basis of the Union. The Declaration made Americans into “We the People” who then gave the Constitution its authority by their consent.

Therefore the Constitution needs to be viewed in the light of the Declaration of Independence. Apparently, the Supreme Court no longer does this. The words, and only the words of the Constitution, are considered - not the spirit that informs them.

No matter what happens on Kavanaugh's nomination, it is likely that any nomination from Republicans will continue this approach, and the fundamental fairness - equality of natural rights - spoken of in the Declaration will continue to be eroded, as will the USA.
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« Reply #4988 on: September 18, 2018, 07:57:56 PM »
Predictably, China bites back

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45555749

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« Reply #4989 on: September 18, 2018, 08:04:36 PM »
<snip; I'd let it stand if it were funny; N.>
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« Reply #4990 on: September 19, 2018, 03:39:21 AM »
It’s pretty amazing and incredibly frustrating, that Congress on BOTH SIDES don’t want to spend a LITTLE time to investigate (via the FBI) the circumstances around the alledged attempted rape of Doctor Ford by Brent Kavanaugh.

There should be SEVERAL WITNESSES at the party on that night.  The witness in the room at that time (Marc Judge) should be subpoenaed to appear before Congress and answer questions.

It will be a VERY BAD look by the Republicans if they try to ram this through without involving the FBI to do additional work.  The Supreme Court position is FOR LIFE.  If this was for a middle management position at a company there would be additional investigation and questioning done.  This is more than 10,000 times more important than that. 
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« Reply #4991 on: September 19, 2018, 04:20:33 AM »
Keep in mind that Trump NEEDS Kavanaugh.  Assuming Trump makes it past the election in early November ...   AND the Democrats win back the House .... Trump would likely go on his long awaited FIRING BINGE.  He would have most of November, December, and most of January before the next seated Congress starts.  Trump NEEDS Kavanaugh for any upcoming issue that goes before SCOTUS.
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« Reply #4992 on: September 20, 2018, 12:58:05 PM »
I expect the following:

1). Republicans are going to try and push Kavanaugh through unless something earth shattering is discovered in the next several days.

2). I expect Kavanaugh to be impeached ..... eventually.  Likely after the 2020 elections ..... when Republicans lose the Senate.  It would also be possible after the new Congress is seated in 2019 IF the Democrat’s win the Senate (long shot)..... because then the Senate Judiciary Committee would request an investigation by the FBI into the now current allegations.

Better hold on tight ....

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« Reply #4993 on: September 20, 2018, 03:59:13 PM »
I expect the following:

1). Republicans are going to try and push Kavanaugh through unless something earth shattering is discovered in the next several days.

2). I expect Kavanaugh to be impeached ..... eventually.  Likely after the 2020 elections ..... when Republicans lose the Senate.  It would also be possible after the new Congress is seated in 2019 IF the Democrat’s win the Senate (long shot)..... because then the Senate Judiciary Committee would request an investigation by the FBI into the now current allegations.

Better hold on tight ....

I'm pretty sure it will take some time after 2020.  He's fairly clearly lied to the Senate about a couple of issues.  That's a crime.  But removal from the Supreme Court requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate.  Dems aren't likely to have 2/3 majority after 2020.  A handful of Repube Senators would have to be on board with removal, which I think unlikely until after he's indicted.  But indictment requires a referral from the Senate to the Justice Department, by the Judicial Committee.  Not likely to be a majority of Dems there until 2020 (actually, they're seated in Jan 2021).  That's when the clock on his head would start.  So the path would be Dem majority in Senate -> hearings and then referral by the Judicial Committee to DoJ -> indictment -> impeachment and removal.

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« Reply #4994 on: September 21, 2018, 09:40:37 PM »
NYT trying to get Rosenstein fired ?

"Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. "

Throw McCabe into the mix:

"memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments."

Rosenstein denies:

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/407807-rosenstein-discussed-secretly-recorded-conversations-with-trump

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« Reply #4995 on: September 22, 2018, 12:37:32 PM »
Michael Moore explains on DemocracyNow! why people like Buddy and many others here are so useful to Trump:

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This is the evil genius of Trump. He knows how to keep, especially liberals, all scatterbrained and not knowing—”Well, what—what’s he—what’s going on? What? Wait a minute. He said that. But, no, he said that. No, he said that.” But we take people—when people say something, we take it literally. He knows he can just say stuff, get everybody discombobulated, and he becomes the master distractor. He knows how to get people off the topic and on to something else so that we won’t really be paying attention to what he’s really up to.

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« Reply #4996 on: September 22, 2018, 07:38:26 PM »
Michael Moore explains on DemocracyNow! why people like Buddy and many others here are so useful to Trump:

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This is the evil genius of Trump. He knows how to keep, especially liberals, all scatterbrained and not knowing
No need to dump on Buddy.  No, vocal opposition to Trump isn't a distraction.   It's part of getting the public more engaged in politics in general, that's the opposite of distraction.

Though it is important to focus on what the administration is doing rather than what Trump is saying.  That's true, but the error here is mostly on the part of the mainstream media, not individuals who consume the media.  Far too many news outlets slavishly quote Trump's outrageous tweets and utterances, because it commands eyeballs with minimal effort.  Lazy and counter-productive "journalism."

Meanwhile, the media are only mentioning in passing Trump's outrageous actions.  He's packing the courts on all levels with ideological conservatives.  He's dismantling environmental safeguards.  He's screwing over students with debt.  He's screwing over consumers who need protective regulations.  He's devastating relations with allies.  He's even engaging in a trade war with Canada. 

So the media get a D- for focusing on tweets and utterances, rather than policy.   Still, public outrage over these utterances is nevertheless driving a public awakening to the importance of political matters in general.  Voter registration is up, voting is up, many more good candidates are appearing on ballots.  Protests are more frequent and large.  Change is afoot.

News that covers a less-important aspect of politics doesn't "distract" from more important aspects.   It instead helps awaken political consciousness in the public.  It's just less efficient at doing so than covering policy outrages.

The real "distraction" is video games, reality TV shows, sports, entertainment news, celebrities, all the stuff that I see people doing and talking about much of the time.  Pull them into *some* political consciousness, and they tend to open their eyes to politics in general.

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« Reply #4997 on: September 22, 2018, 08:36:04 PM »
Thanks for the Moore video. I probably ought to go see the movie. Moore saw this coming.

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« Reply #4998 on: September 23, 2018, 12:39:48 AM »

Though it is important to focus on what the administration is doing rather than what Trump is saying.  That's true, but the error here is mostly on the part of the mainstream media, not individuals who consume the media.  Far too many news outlets slavishly quote Trump's outrageous tweets and utterances, because it commands eyeballs with minimal effort.  Lazy and counter-productive "journalism."
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Instead there is a constant stream of "The Russian's Cost Hillary The Election"

Campaigning on the wrong issues will lose seats that Democrats could have won.


Probably not so many that the Blue won't win a majority, but possibly enough to deprive them of a veto proof super-majority.
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