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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5350 on: November 17, 2018, 08:50:06 AM »
From the media thread:

I think it is because Trump turned the presidency into a TV reality show.

Absolutely, and the media helped him achieve it. That's why it's so important to separate the wheat (policy) from the chaff (personality), and realize the mainstream media is not going to do it for you. Because its goals do not align with those of the majority of the American population.

To separate the wheat (policy) from the chaff (personality) is not so easy. With Trump it all blurs into some melting pot of actions.

For example (since we are on the journalism thread) the recent withdrawal of the press pass for Jim Acosta.  Was that a policy decision or a personality decision ?

That's all ratingsbait. Trump and Acosta are both assholes, creating controversy for personal gains.
 So, that's for the Political theatre/wrestling thread.

Sure enough, Trump was an asshole for revoking Acosta's WH press pass.

But what exactly did Acosta do wrong for you to call him an asshole ?
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« Reply #5351 on: November 17, 2018, 09:56:14 AM »
Not sure if this is Trump policy or personality issue, but it is deeply troublesome :

To ease Turkish pressure on Saudis over killing, White House weighs expelling Erdogan foe

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/white-house-weighs-booting-erdogan-foe-u-s-appease-turkey-n933996

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Trump administration officials last month asked federal law enforcement agencies to examine legal ways of removing exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen in an attempt to persuade Erdogan to ease pressure on the Saudi government, the four sources said.

If true, would be double-whammy against reason and human rights :

First of all, because there is no evidence that Gulen is guilty of anything,
and secondly because it is pretty clear that the Saudis are guilty of killing journalist Khashoggi.

Trump really, really, REALLY likes the Saudis doesn't he ?

CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-jamal-khashoggis-assassination/2018/11/16/98c89fe6-e9b2-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.384c56d109c7

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The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, ...

Trump imposes Magnitsky sactions over  17 Saudis for Alleged Involvement in Khashoggi Killing :
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/world/middleeast/saudis-sanctions-khashoggi.html

but NOT over Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.....
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« Reply #5352 on: November 19, 2018, 02:43:01 AM »
<snip, take it to the Political theatre/wrestling thread; N.>
« Last Edit: November 19, 2018, 05:01:08 AM by Neven »

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« Reply #5353 on: November 19, 2018, 05:32:27 PM »
As Trumps economic policies continue to “bite”, the economy continues to slow:

1). Homebuilder confidence down to a 2 year low
2). Lumber and copper prices continue to slide to multi year lows
3). Houseing prices in the US continue to drop
4). House “affordability” continues to drop (which means lumber, copper, and housing prices are likely to fall further).  Note:  Australia housing prices are really getting hammered .... and Canadian housing prices are likely to drop as oil price drops bite into their economy.
5). Growing number of companies are lowering future guidance
6). FAANG stocks (Facebook. Amazon, et) have all “failed” as of late and likely have much further to go
7). Oil prices remain weak after a 25% drop in 6 weeks.  This will help soften the blow to the economy, but it is also a signal that the world economies are vulnerable right now.


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« Reply #5354 on: November 19, 2018, 06:43:14 PM »
<snip, take it to the Political theatre/wrestling thread; N.>
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« Reply #5355 on: November 20, 2018, 09:17:21 AM »
<snip, reply is in the Political theatre/wrestling thread; N.>
« Last Edit: November 20, 2018, 11:24:06 AM by Neven »
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« Reply #5356 on: November 24, 2018, 09:37:24 AM »
Authoritarianism and how it relates to Trump's policies :



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« Reply #5357 on: November 27, 2018, 12:06:07 AM »
Trump needs Ohio.

"he told Barra that GM “better get back in” Ohio “soon” and assign a new product to the Lordstown, Ohio, plant that could soon be shuttered by the company."

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/418293-trump-blasts-gm-for-plans-to-idle-ohio-factory

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« Reply #5358 on: November 28, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »
Exclusive: China envoy warns of dire consequences if U.S. hardliners hold sway

Speaking to Reuters before heading to join Chinese President Xi Jinping’s delegation at the Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires, Cui Tiankai said China and the United States had a shared responsibility to cooperate in the interests of the global economy.

Asked whether he thought hardliners in the White House were seeking to separate the closely linked U.S. and Chinese economies, Cui said he did not think it was possible or helpful to do so, adding: “I don’t know if people really realize the possible consequences - the impact, the negative impact - if there is such a decoupling.”

He drew parallels to the tariff wars of the 1930s among industrial countries, which contributed to a collapse of global trade and heightened tensions in the years before World War Two.

“The lessons of history are still there. In the last century, we had two world wars, and in between them, the Great Depression. I don’t think anybody should really try to have a repetition of history. These things should never happen again, so people have to act in a responsible way.”

with 12 mins video i'view
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-exclusive/exclusive-china-envoy-warns-of-dire-consequences-if-us-hardliners-hold-sway-idUSKCN1NW2AQ

Why does almost everyone else in the geopolitical world sound like such adults when compared to what gets said by the American Govt it's loyal cronies & think tank gurus?
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« Reply #5359 on: November 28, 2018, 01:00:26 PM »
I generally stay out of all the politics-related threads here, but this interview yesterday made me want to throw my laptop out the window ... so of course I had to post it here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/27/president-trumps-full-washington-post-interview-transcript-annotated/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.087ef02b6bc5

"And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small."   ::)

"One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers."   ::)  No, actually, Mr Trump, you're an idiot.

"There is movement in the atmosphere. There’s no question."  ::)

"I was watching the firemen, and they’re raking brush — you know the tumbleweed and brush, and all this stuff that’s growing underneath. It’s on fire, and they’re raking it, working so hard, and they’re raking all this stuff. If that was raked in the beginning, there’d be nothing to catch on fire."  ::)


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DAWSEY: You said yesterday when you were leaving that you were skeptical of a climate change report that the government had done. Can you just explain why you're skeptical of that report?

TRUMP: One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers. You look at our air and our water, and it’s right now at a record clean. But when you look at China and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America, and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including — just many other places — the air is incredibly dirty. And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. And it blows over and it sails over. I mean, we take thousands of tons of garbage off our beaches all the time that comes over from Asia. It just flows right down the Pacific, it flows, and we say where does this come from. And it takes many people to start off with.

Number two, if you go back and if you look at articles, they talked about global freezing, they talked about at some point the planets could have freeze to death, then it’s going to die of heat exhaustion. There is movement in the atmosphere. There’s no question. As to whether or not it’s man-made and whether or not the effects that you’re talking about are there, I don’t see it — not nearly like it is. Do we want clean water? Absolutely. Do we want clean air to breathe? Absolutely. The fire in California, where I was, if you looked at the floor, the floor of the fire, they have trees that were fallen, they did no forest management, no forest maintenance, and you can light — you can take a match like this and light a tree trunk when that thing is laying there for more than 14 or 15 months. And it’s a massive problem in California.

DAWSEY: So you’re saying you don’t see the —

TRUMP: Josh, you go to other places where they have denser trees — it’s more dense, where the trees are more flammable — they don’t have forest fires like this, because they maintain. And it was very interesting, I was watching the firemen, and they’re raking brush — you know the tumbleweed and brush, and all this stuff that’s growing underneath. It’s on fire, and they’re raking it, working so hard, and they’re raking all this stuff. If that was raked in the beginning, there’d be nothing to catch on fire. It’s very interesting to see. A lot of the trees, they took tremendous burn at the bottom, but they didn’t catch on fire. The bottom is all burned but they didn’t catch on fire because they sucked the water, they’re wet. You need forest management, and they don’t have it.

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« Reply #5360 on: November 28, 2018, 10:36:27 PM »

"And when you’re talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small."   ::)

"One of the problems that a lot of people like myself — we have very high levels of intelligence, but we’re not necessarily such believers."   ::)  No, actually, Mr Trump, you're an idiot.

"There is movement in the atmosphere. There’s no question."  ::)
Two more years of this, possibly six.

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« Reply #5361 on: November 29, 2018, 12:00:50 AM »
Trump threatens to declassify as response to putative Democratic Congress investigations:

"he could declassify FISA warrant applications and other documents from Robert Mueller’s probe — and predicted the disclosure would expose the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign as being in cahoots to set him up"

But with a caveat:

“Some things maybe the public shouldn’t see because they are so bad,” Trump said, making clear it wasn’t damaging to him, but to others. “Maybe it’s better that the public not see what’s been going on with this country.”

https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/trump-threatens-to-declassify-devastating-docs-about-democrats/

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/418776-trump-says-he-will-declassify-russia-docs-to-counter-punch-democrats

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« Reply #5362 on: November 30, 2018, 05:07:13 AM »
Mmmm. Interesting. Sherrod Brown and Trump making nice and allying against GM layoffs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/trump-and-sherrod-brown-talk-about-general-motors-layoffs-in-ohio.html

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« Reply #5363 on: November 30, 2018, 12:47:43 PM »
As the BS over the G20 meeting continues - to meet or not to meet, that is the question - finally, a sensible reasonable well considered and I think fair and accurate appraisal in response to the Russia-US problem under the Trump Presidency - from a well respected, left of center / progressive but MSM news source.

Those in US who call for detente with Russia are branded Putin’s puppets
VIDEO 25 mins in depth interview of – The Nation’s chief-editor Katrina Vanden Heuvel
https://www.rt.com/news/445216-nation-editor-inerview-rt/[/quote]

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A very telling phrase was used: "the criminalization of diplomacy is dangerous".

and this this "opposition to Donald Trump should not be opposition to common sense"

"I am no fan of Trump, by any measure, ‘The Nation’ is one of his leading critics, but he is a hostage, in some ways, of these larger forces around him, whether it’s [Defense Secretary James] Mattis, or [State Secretary Mike] Pompeo, or [National Security Advisor John] Bolton."

“Trump was a shock to the American system, and I think for many Americans, particularly Democrats, I am sad to say. Instead of looking deeply into themselves and looking at their own pathologies and problems that America has, the financial crisis, the inequality, the disinformation, the dark money, the suppression of the vote, it’s easier to blame others,” she said.

Well surprise, there is at least one sane person left in the MSM of the USA. Are there any more like her is the question? How long before Twitter and Facebook ban her from their platforms? How soon before she is sacked outright or shot dead .... these are all rational logical questions to ask given the extreme situation today?

Yeah, yeah, it is from RT RT RT RT RT RT .... but the person being interviewed is no 'flake' either. She in fact speaks much good reason and common sense. It appears Neven is in very good company after all.

PS homework question: What does she think "is madness"?
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« Reply #5364 on: December 01, 2018, 03:43:40 PM »
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« Reply #5365 on: December 01, 2018, 08:10:37 PM »
Part of the swamp, hang it around his neck:

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« Reply #5366 on: December 03, 2018, 10:32:56 PM »

I don't view the Trump administration here as primarily ignorant or short-sighted, but simply corrupt.  He simply gives whatever he can to those he thinks might be able to support his re-election bid, and the interests of the people be damned:

U.S. to end subsidies for electric cars, renewables: White House
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-autos/u-s-to-end-subsidies-for-electric-cars-renewables-white-house-idUSKBN1O22D4

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said on Monday the United States will end subsidies for electric cars and other items including renewable energy sources.

Asked about actions planned after General Motors announced U.S. plant closings and layoffs last week, Kudlow said he expected subsidies for buying electric cars will end in 2020 or 2021. Kudlow said the Trump administration will end other subsidies, including on “renewables.”
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Exposing and eliminating such corruption is the first job for a progressive agenda.  Without clean and transparent governance, none of the other goals are attainable.


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« Reply #5367 on: December 04, 2018, 12:08:42 AM »

Exposing and eliminating such all corruption is the first job for a progressive agenda.  Without clean and transparent governance, none of the other goals are attainable.


In most so called "democracies" investing in a politician to obtain a desired result is referred to as bribery, and it can lead to felony convictions for both the briber and the bribed.
I believe that both Trump and Bernie proved in 2016 that it was possible to win at the presidential level without having a particularly deep war chest. Even in 2018 a number of the winning candidates were outspent by the loser.


As long as bribery, (legal or not) is accepted in American politics, corruption is inevitable.


The other great fear I have for democracy is AI, and that threat may prove even more pernicious away from America's shores, but I'll save that diatribe for another time.
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« Reply #5368 on: December 07, 2018, 12:19:28 AM »
This is obviously also one of the things that are good to hang around Trump's neck, but I still think that it wouldn't be wise to use it for impeachment (assuming that would happen and Mueller isn't whistled back because Trump has given the oligarchs and MIC enough of what they wanted). Kulinksi touches upon why that is, even though I don't think he would agree with me:

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« Reply #5369 on: December 07, 2018, 03:34:30 AM »
Running on a platform of Trump is bad has been the fallback since 2016. Do we continue with this flailing, if not failing program, or hit Trump (and the Republicans) where they're really vulnerable.


Universal Healthcare, costs of Education, the Environment, Reproductive rights, I think they're all more popular than trying to convince the voters that our politicians aren't as crooked as your politicians. - besides, I'm not entirely convinced that the later is true. :-[


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« Reply #5370 on: December 09, 2018, 03:18:40 PM »
US President Donald Trump has announced that chief of staff John Kelly will leave his post at the end of the year.

 Former FBI Director James Comey has admitted the Steele dossier was still uncorroborated by the FBI at the time he left the bureau. The infamous dossier was used by the FBI to monitor Trump aide Carter Page.

The House Oversight Committee has released a 235-page transcript of Comey's grilling 24 hours after the former FBI director was questioned by lawmakers on the Capitol Hill.
https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Comey-interview-12-7-18_Redacted.pdf

ABU DHABI, Dec 9 (Reuters) - The United States strongly opposes discontinuing support to the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen's war and will remain engaged in efforts to combat Iranian influence and Islamist militancy in the Arab state, a State Department official said on Sunday.
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« Reply #5371 on: December 09, 2018, 06:22:24 PM »


The Whole World at Trump Speed

There’s speed and then there’s Trump speed: the dizzying, careening way that the president drives the Formula One car of state. Just when we’ve started to adjust to one outrage -- say, the ripping of migrant children from their mothers’ arms (a procedure that continues to this day, despite court prohibition) -- here comes another down the track. This time it’s the construction in Texas of a tent city to house immigrant children. No, wait. That was the last lap. Now, it’s the mustering of almost 6,000 troops on the border, authorized to use lethal force "if they have to" against people desperately fleeing lethal conditions in their own countries.

No, now it’s the president, like Humpty-Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland, redefining the word “rock” to mean “rifle.” During a press briefing in November, he told reporters, “They want to throw rocks at our military, our military fights back. I told them to consider it a rifle. When they throw rocks like what they did to the Mexican military and police I say consider it a rifle.”

Oops, that was the last lap, too. Now it’s the launching of tear gas grenades -- a weapon that the Geneva Conventions prohibit in actual warfare -- against a few hundred mostly peaceful migrants, including small children on Mexican, not U.S. territory. And now it’s the president blaming the decision to deploy a toxic chemical agent against unarmed people on individuals whom -- he says -- an unidentified “they” call “grabbers.” Those grabbers are apparently seizing random migrant children to use as “human shields.” Before we can absorb that bizarre contention, he follows up with a new lie: that “three Border Patrol people yesterday were very badly hurt, getting hit with rocks and stones.”

Unlike the speed of my college days, which sharpened the attention, Trump speed makes it impossible to focus on anything for very long, not when the next outrage is already heading for you at full tilt.

In ordinary times, we would have focused, at least for a while, on any one of these occurrences. There would have been space to carefully consider the unlawful practice of taking children from their parents and shipping them thousands of miles away. We could have paid more than a fleeting moment’s attention to the cruel bureaucratic incompetence that left officials unable to reunite some families because records had been lost or destroyed -- or were never kept in the first place. There would have been time to discuss the legality of deploying U.S. troops inside this country on what has essentially been a policing mission, in possible violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. We could have stopped to consider whether such a deployment might be a prelude to other domestic uses of the military under an increasingly authoritarian president.

We might even have had a moment to ask ourselves what it means that we’ve stopped being surprised by a president who consistently makes things up. Maybe it is a matter of opinion whether the caravan of refugees traveling from Central America in hopes of getting asylum in the United States constitutes an “invasion” (as Trump told CNN reporter Jim Acosta the day before the White House pulled his press credentials). Reasonable people can certainly disagree about the truthfulness of a metaphor. But we generally would expect at least some data to back up a presidential assertion that the caravan includes “criminals and unknown Middle Easterners.” When pressed for evidence, the president simply said, “There's no proof of anything but they could very well be.” He then added, “over a course of a period of time you [will] have [Middle Eastern individuals in the caravan], or they don't necessarily have to be in that group. But certainly, you have a lot of people coming up through the southern border from the Middle East and other places that are not appropriate for our country.”

How should we interpret the meaning of statements like this that simply have no basis in fact? Should we focus on how the president is shoving us into a pond of epistemological quicksand? (What is truth, after all?) Or should we turn our attention to the racial implications of the presidential view that -- whether or not they exist -- people “from the Middle East and other places... are not appropriate for our country”? Are those “other places” perhaps the “shithole countries” the president has mentioned in the past? And if so, then what exactly distinguishes those immigrants who are “appropriate for our country?”

But really there’s no time for thoughts like those, because it’s on to the next outrage! The crazy keeps piling up, along with the exclamation points. (There were eight of them in that November 20th 633-word statement on U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia that the president released in response to international outrage about the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.)


For the whole article:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176504/tomgram%3A_rebecca_gordon%2C_speed_kills/#more

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« Reply #5372 on: December 10, 2018, 06:00:47 PM »
Running on a platform of Trump is bad has been the fallback since 2016. Do we continue with this flailing, if not failing program, or hit Trump (and the Republicans) where they're really vulnerable.


Universal Healthcare, costs of Education, the Environment, Reproductive rights, I think they're all more popular than trying to convince the voters that our politicians aren't as crooked as your politicians. - besides, I'm not entirely convinced that the later is true. :-[


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Time for the Democrats to move away from "groups" (minorities, LGBTQ, women, etc.) and start touting a policy that benefits the biggest group (which, by the way, encompasses the majority of the other groups): the 99 percent. Dems continue to splinter thier own party with groupings where one does not relate/share the ideals of the other and it is hurting us all. Create a policy where everyone has access to affordable healthcare. Everyone has access to education. Everyone has access to fair representation devoid of financial contribution. Everyone has access to a livable climate. Stop telling me you're not Trump and create policy that the public is demanding (healthcare) and that benefits society as a whole (education/trade skills, environmental/climate protection). Stop sucking (gulping) at the corporate teat and do the hard work.

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« Reply #5373 on: December 11, 2018, 08:30:40 AM »
Very nice article by Sebastian Smith, Agence France-Presse on covering the White House and the Trump:

"Trump is surprisingly, almost absurdly, accessible, holding impromptu Q&As so frequent and so liable to throw up a surprise that reporters get journalistic whiplash."

"Inside the White House, journalists are a kind of accepted annoyance, a bit like a nest of rodents or other wildlife camped in someone's basement or attic. We're  too much trouble to get out, but restrained from roaming far. When the inhabitants of the house throw out scraps of information, we pounce."

"In the most important way, though, we're spoiled. Unlike the affable, but aloof Obama, this POTUS talks to us as often as several times a week. He professes to loathe the press, but in truth he can't get enough of us -- nor we of him."

"He sounds alternately like a guy bragging at the bar, a stand-up comedian, a street tough, a schoolyard bully, a man of the people, and, at the bottom of it all, that same relentless businessman who made his name synonymous with New York's cutthroat real estate world."

https://correspondent.afp.com/sweat-resistant-shirts-and-trump-white-house

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« Reply #5374 on: December 11, 2018, 12:51:22 PM »
Dore addresses Trump voters directly:

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« Reply #5375 on: December 21, 2018, 05:37:20 AM »
Troops leave Syria. Mattis resigns. Troops outta Aghanistan. I am almost sure this means Trump has subdued the "forever war" factions.

Well, good for him. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

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« Reply #5376 on: December 21, 2018, 09:13:21 AM »
Troops leave Syria. Mattis resigns. Troops outta Aghanistan. I am almost sure this means Trump has subdued the "forever war" factions.

Well, good for him. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

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« Reply #5377 on: December 21, 2018, 09:53:40 PM »
Pat Lang makes a case for Gabbard as SecDef:

"Major Gabbard, ARNG served in Iraq, is a woman, a Democrat,  a person of color, a non-interventionist, a Hindu and a Pacific Islander of Samoan descent.  What could be better?"

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/i-suggest-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-for-secdef.html

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« Reply #5378 on: December 21, 2018, 10:04:51 PM »
Pat Lang makes a case for Gabbard as SecDef:

"Major Gabbard, ARNG served in Iraq, is a woman, a Democrat,  a person of color, a non-interventionist, a Hindu and a Pacific Islander of Samoan descent.  What could be better?"

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/i-suggest-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-for-secdef.html

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Ah, but can she claim to have 1/1024 indigenous ancestry?
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edit - I forgot that she had met, not just with Russians, but with Putin himself! She's automatically disqualified & should be investigated ASA Mueller can get to it.
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« Reply #5379 on: December 22, 2018, 12:07:34 PM »
When the stock market goes up - "It was me wot dunnit", says Trump,

When the stock market goes down - "It was the FED wot dunnit", says Trump.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-22/trump-said-to-discuss-firing-fed-s-powell-after-latest-rate-hike?srnd=premium-europe

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Trump Discusses Firing Fed's Powell After Latest Rate Hike, Sources Say
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-  Advisers warn ousting Fed chairman would lead to market rout
-  President’s legal authority to remove Powell is unclear

President Donald Trump has discussed firing Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell as his frustration with the central bank chief intensified following this week’s interest-rate increase and months of stock-market losses, according to four people familiar with the matter.

Advisers close to Trump aren’t convinced he would move against Powell and are hoping that the president’s latest bout of anger will dissipate over the holidays, the people said on condition of anonymity. Some of Trump’s advisers have warned him that firing Powell would be a disastrous move.
Yet the president has talked privately about firing Powell many times in the past few days, said two of the people.

Any attempt by Trump to push out Powell would have potentially devastating ripple effects across financial markets, undermining investors’ confidence in the central bank’s ability to shepherd the economy without political interference. It would come as markets have plummeted in recent weeks, with the major stock indexes already down sharply for the year.

White House spokespeople declined to comment, as did Fed spokeswoman Michelle Smith.

Trump’s public and private complaints about members of his administration have often been a first step toward their departures -- including former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, his first Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and outgoing chief of staff John Kelly.

It’s unclear how much legal authority the president has to fire Powell. The Federal Reserve Act says governors may be “removed for cause by the President.” Since the chairman is also a governor, that presumably extends to him or her, but the rules around firing the leader are legally ambiguous, as Peter Conti-Brown of the University of Pennsylvania notes in his book on Fed independence.

Such a move would represent an unprecedented challenge to the Fed’s independence. Though he was nominated by the president, Powell was thought to be insulated from Trump’s dissatisfaction by a tradition of respect for the independence of the central bank.

That separation of politics from monetary policy is supposed to instil confidence that Fed officials will do what’s right for the economy over the long term rather than bend to the short-term whims of a politician.


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« Reply #5380 on: December 22, 2018, 01:15:17 PM »

It doesn't read as though there us really much of a problem under applicable legislation.

"Upon the expiration of the term of any appointive member of the Federal Reserve Board in office on the date of enactment of the Banking Act of 1935, the President shall fix the term of the successor to such member at not to exceed fourteen years, as designated by the President at the time of nomination, but in such manner as to provide for the expiration of the term of not more than one member in any two-year period, and thereafter each member shall hold office for a term of fourteen years from the expiration of the term of his predecessor, unless sooner removed for cause by the President."

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« Reply #5381 on: December 29, 2018, 01:19:55 PM »
It looks like El Presidente de Trumpistania threatens to close the border to Mehico entirely if he doesn't get funds to close the border entirely with a wall. Thank you. A border wall made of cardboard Drumpfs might be just as effective, they'd just need someone to translate the text "we elected him to be the emperor" in spanish on those. (le elegimos el emperador?)

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« Reply #5382 on: January 04, 2019, 06:50:41 AM »
Now that 1/3 of the legislative offices of US are again in somewhat sane hands, it is no better time to remind that several thousand votes were left uncounted due criminals. Thus a criminal may have more influence in US than hundreds of civil adults. Not good, one might say bad.
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« Reply #5383 on: January 11, 2019, 08:52:58 AM »
Mitch McConnell and other senate republicans kowtow to Trump and withhold pay from 800000 federal workers, because they, the senate republicans, didn't want to fund the fools' obsession when they had the chance. Still very happy I have but a couple of distant relatives living in former US. If this resolves in the wrong way it'll be fun to ask any citizens of the country:"how's life behind the wall?"
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« Reply #5384 on: January 11, 2019, 10:26:15 AM »
Re: If this resolves in the wrong way it'll be fun to ask any citizens of the country:"how's life behind the wall?"

Some tell me that the USA went down the "wrong" path after the 2001 attacks. Sometimes I gently remind them of the (late) William Blum's catalogue.

I think the nation has never come to terms with the two great sins of its founding, genocide and slavery. But as an Empire, these themes resound in its colonies, wars, culture, trade, diplomacy ...

Trump is a symptom of late stage Empire. Those are not necessarily fun to live in.

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« Reply #5385 on: January 13, 2019, 06:47:36 PM »
Just for fun :

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« Reply #5386 on: January 13, 2019, 06:54:25 PM »
Just for fun :


after the swiss gvt and WEC principals leached his a..... once more thoroughly he does not come LOL, who knows, at least it looks like it, the guy can pop up tomorrow as there were no cancallation before.

BTW:

second longest shutdown to date under Clinton and he got very close to impeachment

longest shutdown to date under the Donald, let's hope it's an omen and the almost will be replaced by matters of fact, on the other hand a non-re-election followed by some terms in prison would be as nice IMO

yeah i admit freely, that guy robs me of some nerves like only the bushman did before him.
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« Reply #5387 on: January 14, 2019, 10:59:16 AM »
What Trump’s Syrian Withdrawal Really Reveals
A wise decision is greeted by denunciations, obstructionism, imperial thinking, and more Russia-bashing.
By Stephen F. Cohen
January 9, 2019

.......... he is right in proposing to withdraw some 2,000 American forces from that tragically war-ravaged country. The small American contingent serves no positive combat or strategic purpose unless it is to thwart the Russian-led peace negotiations now underway or to serve as a beachhead for a US war against Iran.


First, no foreign-policy initiative undertaken by President Trump, however wise it may be in regard to US national interests, will be accepted by that establishment. Any prominent political figure who does so will promptly and falsely be branded, in the malign spirit of Russiagate, as “pro-Putin,” or, as was Senator Rand Paul, arguably the only foreign-policy statesman in the senate today, “an isolationist.” This is unprecedented in modern American history. Not even Richard Nixon was subject to such establishment constraints on his ability to conduct national-security policy during the Watergate scandals.

Second, not surprisingly, the condemnations of Trump’s decision are infused with escalating, but still unproven, Russiagate allegations of the president’s “collusion” with the Kremlin. Thus, equally predictably, the Times finds a Moscow source to say, of the withdrawals, “Trump is God’s gift that keeps on giving” to Putin. (In fact, it is not clear that the Kremlin is eager to see the United States withdraw from either Syria or Afghanistan, as this would leave Russia alone with what it regards as common terrorist enemies.) Closer to home, there is the newly reelected Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who, when asked about Trump’s policies and Russian President Putin, told MSNBC’s Joy Reid: “I think that the president’s relationship with thugs all over the world is appalling. Vladimir Putin, really? Really? I think it’s dangerous.” By this “leadership” reasoning, Trump should be the first US president since FDR to have no “relationship” whatsoever with a Kremlin leader. And to the extent that Pelosi speaks for the Democratic Party, it can no longer be considered a party of American national security.

But, third, something larger than even anti-Trumpism plays a major role in condemnations of the president’s withdrawal decisions: imperial thinking about America’s rightful role in the world. Euphemisms abound, but, if not an entreaty to American empire, what else could the New York Times’ David Sanger mean when he writes of a “world order that the United States has led for the 79 years since World War II,” and complains that Trump is reducing “the global footprint needed to keep that order together”? Or when President Obama’s national-security adviser Susan Rice bemoans Trump’s failures in “preserving American global leadership,” which a Times lead editorial insists is an “imperative”? Or when General James Mattis in his letter of resignation echoes President Bill Clinton’s secretary of state Madeline Albright—and Obama himself—in asserting that “the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world”? We cannot be surprised. Such “global” imperial thinking has informed US foreign-policy decision-making for decades—it’s taught in our schools of international relations—and particularly the many disastrous, anti-“order” wars it has produced.

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https://www.thenation.com/article/what-trumps-syrian-withdrawal-really-reveals/
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« Reply #5388 on: January 15, 2019, 12:45:43 AM »
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« Reply #5389 on: January 15, 2019, 12:47:56 AM »
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Nearing the half way point in Trump's Presidency may be worth some geopolitical reflections.

Trump has been labelled "traitorous" over Russia by all in sundry the last 2 years. Here's a list of the things Trump has done which would be considered Pro-Russia:

Oh sorry, there is no list.

Here's some things done that were designed to curtail and punish Russia:
Extended Trade, Financial and Individual Sanctions multiple times.
Took steps to undermine Russia in Syria and attacked the Syrian Govt facilities.
Been trying to stop the NordStream 2 pipeline and sell LNG to Europe.
Threatened Turkey, India and others with severe sanctions and being cut from Military sales if they go ahead with buying S400 missiles and other Military equipment from Russia.
Sold Military hardware to Ukraine and continues to wholeheartedly support the Ukrainian Govt.
Wholeheartedly supported all actions by Israel in Syria even when a Russian air transport was shot down accidentally during an Israeli attack.
Taken steps to expand 3rd party Trade Sanctions on any country doing business with Russia.

I think that's a fair summary.

I lot has been made about "election interference" in the 2016 US Presidential elections. 99% of the rhetoric has been about Russia. Next to nothing has been about Israel or Saudi Arabia (and related Gulf States.) The main choice was between Clinton and Trump.

Clinton being a former Obama Govt official herself was 100% behind the continuation of the multi-national Iranian nuclear deal. In the election Trump was against it. Later he canned it unilaterally once elected. Hillary Clinton publicly canned Trump for canning it!

Who are the two major suporters of this decision by Trump? Well it's Israel and Saudi Arabia. What was Trump's first international travel to? Oh it was to Saudi Arabia shortly followed by Israel.

President Trump’s Speech to the Arab Islamic American Summit
Issued on: May 21, 2017
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trumps-speech-arab-islamic-american-summit/

Within weeks of his Saudi visit and a very pointed speech long forgotten now, MBS was promoted to the senior "ruler" and King Salman went to the background. How's that working out? Not too good for Khashoggi. Not so good for the Saudis and co. in Syria.

Really good for the Saudis and Israel with the recent Military aid and arms sales. Not too good for the Yemenis.

Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Great for Netanyahu and the Extreme Religious Right Wing in Israel. Complaints about west bank settlements since Obama left office? Zero, none, nada. Not much chop for the peace process or the Palestinians.

The first person forced to resign from the Trump team before he was even Inaugurated was General Michael Flynn who was given the post of National Security Advisor. Why was he "fired"? Because he overlooked mentioning a meeting he had with the Russian Ambassador to the USA, a meeting undertaken ON BEHALF of Israel and Saudi Governments to PASS ON A MESSAGE from them to promote their own interests regarding Iran. He was simply doing them a favour by passing on a message request.

Somehow this morphed into some kind of devious "collusion between Flynn and Russia" on behalf of Trump. Who of course knew nothing about it.

So here we are 2 years in and what can we compare as the #1 Geopolitical difference between Trump and Obama/Clinton? I suppose one could put North Korea up as one difference, though the desired outcome is the very same - the removal of NK nuclear weapons.

But it is without any doubt the diametrically opposed approach to Iran and the JCPOA agreement. That and the results of all the Dominoes falling with regard US pressure and sanctions upon dozens of countries many/most of whom were long term US Allies. Weird huh?

Which nations are the most appreciative about that? Israel and Saudi Arabia are. Both countries run by what I would label as Right Wing Religious Extremists and Military Belligerents par excellance.

Gosh almighty Trump barely had a bad word to say about MBS after the Khashoggi murder and dismembering of his body.

And what do we know 2 years later of any behind the scenes influences upon the 2016 by either of those two nations? Mmmmmm a little bit here and there but in the public domain via the MSM next to absolutely nothing at all.

And yet the overwhelming "consensus" is that Trump is beholden to Putin and Russia for being elected ahead of Clinton.

Like how weird is that. 2 years on and still not a word about influence peddling by Israel and the Saudis. Excuse me but didn't Netanyahu travel to the USA and actually give a speech in the middle of the US elections in 2016? I think he did. And who was the Hasbara Network backing to the hilt with coin and social media troll farms? Trump of course!
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« Reply #5390 on: January 15, 2019, 12:51:20 AM »
Some refs to above commentary.

Full text of Netanyahu’s speech at 2016 UN General Assembly
In New York address, PM calls on Abbas to speak at Knesset and restart peace talks, urges world to unite against Iran
22 September 2016
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-full-remarks-at-un-general-assembly/

And before that?

Republican presidential candidates are using Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s address to Congress as a cudgel against the (Obama) White House. (read CLINTON)
http://time.com/3727781/benjamin-netanyahu-republican-candidates/

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/congresswoman-netanyahu-s-speech-backfired-helped-iran-deal-1.5460024


How Netanyahu's speech to Congress has jeopardised US-Israel relations
Highly visible US snubs, from refusing Obama meeting to accusations that Israeli government not trustworthy, come weeks before Netanyahu faces tight election
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/24/obama-binyamin-netanyahu-congress-speech-boehner-leaks

Relations are simply "perfect" today!

Oh dear me, how quickly people forget and lose sight of context and perspective and the BIG PICTURE while being head tripped over distracting minutia by extremely biased propaganda merchants intent on influence Public Opinion and pumping up the Memes that matter to them.


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« Reply #5391 on: January 15, 2019, 06:26:19 AM »
I hear some DA (district attorney?) in Newark has been taking some campaign money for not prosecuting select individuals. I understand, law people have to fund themselves somehow, but I thought DAs got secure salaries, or are they also not paid when govt is shutdown (hah, wrote 'shitdown' first, funny since I also heard some embassies have run out of money for toilet paper)

In additional news, imperator of Witheouse invited highly trimmed athletes to feast on bigmacs and other fast 'food' to help foreign teams against the magnificent team youth of trumpistan.
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« Reply #5392 on: January 16, 2019, 08:05:50 AM »
(COPY Post) sidd posted this in the wrong thread. I will rectify that.

The Mechanics of Deception  - the Steele Dossier on Trump et al

Posted on March 17, 2018 by Yaacov Apelbaum

(closing statements)

Anyone who has ever worked in intelligence knows that a good brief should answer the who, what, when, where, how, and why questions. Almost none of the allegations in the dossier offer hard corroboration. It is mostly based on generalizations, truisms, and a lot of materials that were circulating on the internet and Ukrainian circles since the mid 2000s. The writers of the dossier anticipated this criticism and countered it by building-in plausible deniability for most of the allegations through statements like:

“but key witnesses silenced and evidence hard to obtain” or “all direct witnesses to this recently had been “silenced”…”

It seems that the real dossier story is not the scandalous insinuations that it makes, but rather it’s the funding sources, the teams that worked on it, and its compilation and distribution channels.

At peak capacity, the dossier team must have consisted of at least 25 individuals who worked on it for over 6-12 months. Assuming a modest $200 per hour rate per person, some first/business class travel and accommodations, media, consulting, IT, and legal services, this project must have cost an upwards of 5-10 million dollars.

According to Simpson’s testimony and documents, Fusion GPS was only paid about a million dollars by the DNC and Clinton campaign, which begs the questions of what was Hakluyt’s cut and where did the rest of the money go?

Simpson and Steele did far more than simply conduct sordid opposition research for the Clinton campaign. By various machinations, they successfully reached the most influential people in UK and US politics, the media, and federal government agencies and shaped/influenced the narrative of the 2016 presidential elections.

There is little doubt that Simpson/Jacoby and their US political/media network and Steele with his enablers in Hakluyt, the British media, and the Foreign Office successfully waged a full-scale influence operation against the US and are continuing to do so even now.

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-mechanics-of-deception/

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« Reply #5393 on: January 17, 2019, 09:15:47 AM »
The one thing that may have seemed good about Trump, of course isn't:

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« Reply #5394 on: January 17, 2019, 11:10:11 AM »
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Let's not waste either.

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« Reply #5395 on: January 18, 2019, 12:24:47 AM »
Warms the cockles of my heart knowing the adults in DC are in charge of the world. :)



 President Donald Trump has canceled House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s upcoming trips to Belgium, Egypt and Afghanistan, citing the ongoing government shutdown, one day after Pelosi threatened to cancel his State of the Union address.

"Due to the Shutdown, I am sorry to inform you that your trip to Brussels, Egypt and Afghanistan has been postponed," Trump wrote in a letter to Pelosi, shared with the press. "We will reschedule this seven-day excursion when the Shutdown is over."

    President @realDonaldTrump’s letter to @SpeakerPelosi concerning her upcoming travel pic.twitter.com/TtBCvwp080
    — Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) January 17, 2019

“Of course, if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial, that would certainly be your prerogative,” the president jibed.

Pelosi’s flight was due to depart at 3pm, while the White House circulated the letter around 2pm, according to Fox News.

    Per @johnrobertsFox, @SpeakerPelosi was supposed to depart Joint Base Andrews at 3 pm, so just-released @realDonaldTrump letter cancelling her trip was extremely last minute.
    — Meghan K. Welsh (@meghankwelsh) January 17, 2019

Several congressional Democrats were apparently already on a US Air Force bus headed for Joint Base Andrews outside Washington when the letter was made public. The bus turned around and dropped them off back at the Capitol.
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« Reply #5396 on: January 19, 2019, 09:39:13 AM »
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« Reply #5397 on: January 20, 2019, 11:11:38 AM »
It seems as though yet another Supreme will be named by the Trumpster.

Ginsberg has developed pneumonia after her cancer operation and is cancelling future events.

https://www.smobserved.com/story/2019/01/19/politics/stricken-with-pneumonia-ruth-bader-ginsburg-cancels-event-set-for-january-29-2019/3780.html

Will Trump nominate a woman this time out?
Will the Senate seats won by Republicans make this one an easier sell?
Are there lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh fiasco?
Will the Left ever take back the Supreme Court?
Am I jumping the gun?
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« Reply #5398 on: January 20, 2019, 11:21:22 AM »
oh noes  :-[

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« Reply #5399 on: January 20, 2019, 02:46:09 PM »
Sounds like this may be fake news:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Not Fighting ‘For Her Life’ With Pneumonia, Despite Outlet’s Claim

https://www.inquisitr.com/5254187/ruth-bader-ginsburg-fights-for-her-life-with-pneumonia-dodgy-website-claims/
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