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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5400 on: January 21, 2019, 09:11:48 AM »
Sounds like this may be fake news:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Not Fighting ‘For Her Life’ With Pneumonia, Despite Outlet’s Claim

https://www.inquisitr.com/5254187/ruth-bader-ginsburg-fights-for-her-life-with-pneumonia-dodgy-website-claims/


Who to believe? I've never heard of either source.
It shouldn't take too long to find out, unless they pull a Sharon. :-X
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« Reply #5401 on: January 21, 2019, 09:57:54 AM »
Oh good! I'm glad.

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« Reply #5402 on: January 22, 2019, 03:55:49 AM »
Who was going to pay for that wall again ?

« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 09:28:04 AM by Rob Dekker »
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« Reply #5403 on: January 22, 2019, 10:33:38 PM »
RE: Beyond BuzzFeed: The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump-Russia Story
@ https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2272.msg187015.html#msg187015


Can't help myself here ... LOL ... if you think these dishonorable mentions are bad, you should see the TOP 10~!

Dishonorable Mention:

    ABC News’ Brian Ross is fired for reporting Trump told Flynn to make contact with Russians when he was still a candidate; in fact, Trump did that after he won.

    The New York Times claimed Manafort provided polling data to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a person “close to the Kremlin”; in fact, he provided them to Ukrainians, not Russians.

    Crowdstrike, the firm hired by the DNC, claimed they had evidence that Russia hacked Ukrainian artillery apps; they then retracted it.

    Bloomberg and the WSJ reported Mueller subpoenaed Deustche Bank for Trump’s financial records; the NYT said that never happened.

    Rachel Maddow devoted 20 minutes at the start of her show to very melodramatically claiming a highly sophisticated party tried to trick her by sending her a fake Top Secret document modeled after the one published by the Intercept, and said it could only have come from the U.S. Government (or the Intercept) since the person obtained the document before it was published by us and thus must have had special access to it; in fact, Maddow and NBC completely misread the metadata on the document; the fake sent to Maddow was created after we published the document, and was sent to her by a random member of the public who took the document from the Intercept’s site and doctored it to see if she’d fall for an obvious scam. Maddow’s entire timeline, on which her whole melodramatic conspiracy theory rested, was fictitious.

    The U.S. media and Democrats spent six months claiming that all “17 intelligence agencies” agreed Russia was behind the hacks; the NYT finally retracted that in June, 2017: “The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.”

    AP claimed on February 2, 2018, that the Free Beacon commissioned the Steele Dossier; they thereafter acknowledged that was false and noted, instead: “Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.”

    The national media have offered multiple, conflicting accounts of how and why the FBI investigation into Trump/Russia began.

    Widespread government and media claims that accused Russian agent Maria Butina offered “sex for favors” were totally false (and scurrilous).

    After a Russian regional jet crashed on February 11, 2018, shortly after it took off from Moscow, killing all 71 people aboard, Harvard Law Professor and frequent MSNBC contributor Laurence Tribe strongly implied Putin purposely caused the plane to go down in order to murder Sergei Millian, a person vaguely linked to George Papadopoulos and Jared Kushner; in fact, Millian was not on the plane nor, to date, has anyone claimed they had any evidence that Putin ordered his own country’s civilian passenger jet brought down.

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/

Enjoy~!
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« Reply #5404 on: January 23, 2019, 03:47:54 AM »
Thanks, Lurk for this summation.

Everything with the name Mueller in the title i'll just dismiss until the final report is out.

I would love to see this orange fart walking in an orange jumpsuit, but this whole trump/russia media coverage is doing no good.

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« Reply #5405 on: January 24, 2019, 03:08:17 AM »
If Mexico is paying for the wall, why is the US in shut down over paying for the wall?  :o

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« Reply #5406 on: January 24, 2019, 05:16:50 AM »
If Mexico is paying for the wall, why is the US in shut down over paying for the wall?  :o

Exactly.
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« Reply #5407 on: January 24, 2019, 07:36:51 PM »
I thought Trump was going to transfer the money for the wall as a downpayment for a house in central Moscow. Now you're saying it's Mexico whose gonna pay for it? Aren't the border patrols in shut down too? I know air traffic is currently unsafe above US and Trumpistan during the shutdown, but is border security also compromized? Wouldn't want those trumpistas to escape.
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« Reply #5408 on: January 25, 2019, 04:19:41 AM »
If Mexico is paying for the wall, why is the US in shut down over paying for the wall?  :o

Exactly.

(smile) It is funny.

But never you mind they have it all covered. The Corporatist Right Wing Dictatorship of Venezuela have promised to refund America for the full cost of The Wall in gratitude for all that Trump, Pence, Bolton, Pompeo and the Corporate Banking Billionaire NATO Funded Think Tanks have done for the Venezuelan "people" of late and to come.

No problemo senor it very easy to do once things settle down and Maduro is hanging from a lamp post after being sodomised profusely.

The New Junta will cut the welfare payments to the poorest in the land, sack about 50% of all Govt employees and programs, cut govt subsidies on food and gasoline then gut the Education Dept and Universities and introduce a new Neoliberal Private Enterprise Education system in the country. They'll soon become the most dynamic high growth economy in all of South America with Multi-Millionaires living on every street corner property across Caracas .... all thanks to Trump & Co. and of course the Amercian People who support such Regime Change PsyOps Programs to bring "Democracy and Freedom" to the poor suffering people of the planet!

Yay America! Heil to Trump Pence and Co. :)
I also heard it said the Junta and their mates are going to secretly fund Donald Trumps re-election campaign and multiple PACs in 2020 and of course they'll be backing in Mike Pence in 2024 too.

After doing such a great job of bringing democracy and freedom to the Venezuelans, then to Cuba & Bolivia while also getting rid of that whacko new far left socialist Presidente in Mexico.

After all this 'Great Work' by America Trump's a shoein in 2020 while he keeps the seat warm for Pence who I have been told his running mate likely will be BOLTON! 

[ For Entertainment Purposes Only ]

.... which kinda makes me equivalent to the MSM in the USA. ;)
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« Reply #5409 on: January 25, 2019, 10:16:58 AM »
The people in the White House are beyond redemption.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/25/let-them-eat-cake-wealthy-republicans-play-down-severity-of-shutdown

Let them eat cake? Wealthy Republicans play down severity of shutdown

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On Thursday the commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, said he “doesn’t really understand why” government workers have started going to food banks for sustenance. Appearing on CNBC, Ross, whose net worth has been reported as at least $700m , suggested furloughed workers take out bank loans instead. “The 30 days of pay that some people will be out, there’s no real reason why they shouldn’t be able to get a loan against it,” he said, seemingly encouraging government workers to apply for predatory payday-style loans, uncertain when they might be able to pay them back.

The White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett suggested furloughed workers were “better off” over the Christmas holiday because they were getting time off without having to use vacation days. “And then they come back and then they get their back pay, then they’re, in some sense, they’re better off,” Hassett said.

Larry Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council, echoed that sacrificial sentiment and praised unpaid government workers as noble “volunteers” laboring for love of president and country. When asked how coming to work without pay for fear of being fired counted as volunteering, Kudlow, a millionaire, bristled at the question. “They do it because of their love for the country and the office of the presidency and presumably because their allegiance to President Trump …”

On Monday Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law, waded into the shutdown controversy, saying going over a month without pay was a “little bit of pain”. “Listen, it’s not fair to you and we all get that,” she said on the digital news network Bold TV. “But this is so much bigger than any one person. It is a little bit of pain but it’s going to be for the future of our country. And their children and their grandchildren and generations after them will thank them for their sacrifice right now.”
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« Reply #5410 on: January 25, 2019, 10:19:51 AM »
The hidden costs of the government shutdown
35 ways the shutdown is affecting America, from small-business loans to alcohol labels.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/24/18188621/government-shutdown-hidden-costs

The shutdown is making life miserable for a lot of people and of course it is the people in need that suffer the most.

If they keep up the closure something will break. Most workers can´t miss a lot of paychecks so maybe they will be pissed off enough to shut down air traffic? (would be the best area for some action?)


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« Reply #5411 on: January 25, 2019, 10:54:01 AM »
RE: “But this is so much bigger than any one person. It is a little bit of pain but it’s going to be for the future of our country. And their children and their grandchildren and generations after them will thank them for their sacrifice right now.”

The day any politician in any political party in power in any country starts speaking like that about actions they are taking to address global warming and climate change, I think I may pass out in shock! :)
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« Reply #5412 on: January 25, 2019, 11:59:23 AM »
On the other hand Vicky, the cookie lady, hasn't yet made a pilgrimage to Caracas. Something about paying her own way perhaps? ::)
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« Reply #5413 on: January 25, 2019, 05:19:41 PM »
FAA Orders Ground Stops and Delays Flights at Major U.S. Airports Due to Shutdown-Related Air Traffic Controller Shortage

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ajq8wp/megathread_faa_orders_ground_stops_and_delays/

At least this saves some CO2 i hope.

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« Reply #5414 on: January 27, 2019, 06:12:20 AM »
Thom Hartmann @ 6:02 mins

It would be a fascinating thought experiment or maybe a science fiction novel to wonder what would have happened if after the election here in the November of 2016 had the European Union said:

 "Well you know Hillary Clinton got three million more votes. We're gonna recognize her as the legitimately elected President United States. We're not going to talk to Trump."

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« Reply #5415 on: January 29, 2019, 08:17:23 AM »
Here is a wild and crazy thought, expounded to me by someone over a pool game at the bar.

One of the TVs is on a news channel (sound off, of course, only games have sound on) and the crawler sez sumpn about venezuela. The guy looked at it, and said, "The whole thing is a TV show. Trump is a TV show. Remember the Apprentice  show ? He can't fire 'em till he hires 'em ! Same with war, he cant stop a war if he don't start it first. Bet he steps in and stops this one b4 the troops go in."

Then he blew the chalk off the tip of his cue, and proceeded to clear the table.

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« Reply #5416 on: January 29, 2019, 09:36:51 AM »
Hey Sidd,

i think there is truth to it. How he runs his whole presidency is very TV-showesque. And i hope your friend is right with the "steps in and stops this one b4 the troops go in" part.

But there is also another thing that underlies his thinking i want to emphasise. He is not only an ex-reality-TV show host, but he is also a Hitler fan. He bragged once about how this book with Hitler speeches was the only book on his nightstand. In fact, there are parallels in his politics. He is playing the good old, well-known nazi-playbook as seen here:


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« Reply #5417 on: January 29, 2019, 10:35:49 AM »
It would be a fascinating thought experiment or maybe a science fiction novel to wonder what would have happened if after the election here in the November of 2016 had the European Union said:

 "Well you know Hillary Clinton got three million more votes. We're gonna recognize her as the legitimately elected President United States. We're not going to talk to Trump."

Well, that would have been nice.

In the case of Venezuela, the EU asked for re-elections, which Maduro rejected :
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/venezuela-maduro-rejects-eu-ultimatum-fresh-elections-190127143103615.html

The EU is not the only one rejecting the re-election of Maduro :


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« Reply #5418 on: January 31, 2019, 02:37:08 AM »
It would be a fascinating thought experiment or maybe a science fiction novel to wonder what would have happened if after the election here in the November of 2016 had the European Union said:

 "Well you know Hillary Clinton got three million more votes. We're gonna recognize her as the legitimately elected President United States. We're not going to talk to Trump."

Well, that would have been nice.

In the case of Venezuela, the EU asked for re-elections, which Maduro rejected :
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/venezuela-maduro-rejects-eu-ultimatum-fresh-elections-190127143103615.html

The EU is not the only one rejecting the re-election of Maduro :


Yes Rob, I do know more than only the EU are rejecting the elections etc in Venezuela. I am not stupid nor ignorant my friend. There is a conga line of nations doing the same. :)

Now as to ... "Well, that would have been nice."

OK fair enough. Of course this needs to be seen in the same light as how such a leap gets applied to other nations and then to apply them to the USA in the exact same ways.

1) Global embargo and trade sanctions against US exports such as Oil, Gas, Arms, Boeing, Apple, IBM, Motor vehcile manufacturers, agricultural produce.

2) Targeted sanctions on persons and associates and company CEO/CFOs etc eg on everyone in the Trump Administration including Bolton and the SoS. Arrest warrants issued on any persons/govts who continue to do trade with the USA and arresting anyone in the EU, Russia, China, India, Canada, Sth Amercia, Australia SE Asia even slightly suspected to have been involved in "usurping the democracy of the USA" with the election of Trump.

3) That would include all FOX news ops, Republicans, Rupert Murdoch, and whole variety of Neoliberal establishment people and Corporate heads, Governors and State's SoS.

4) Blockading spare parts and equipemtn exports to the US to maintain major alirlines aircraft, airport operations, telecommunications, satelites, and shipping.

5) Turning off the Oil pipelines from Canada.

6) Banning exports of Oil, Gas, Petroleum products and Uranium and so on INTO the USA

7) Banning US military aircraft landing rights and naval ships docking right globally.

8 ) and lastly the big one _ BLOCKADING US Banks and Finance operations from using VISA, Mastercard international settlement facilities, barring use of SWIFT globally, refusing to repatriate any Moneys or GOLD being held in foreign nations, and more. Placing US Banks and the FED on to International Sacntions Regime.

So what could go wrong? How long before people were on the streets demanding Food, Medicines, money, and an end to these draconian sanctions placed on the US people by all those other NATIONS?

Would TRump be toppled or would the US Military stick to their Constitutional Oaths?

All hypothetical of course, because these things only get done BY AMERICA upon others. ;)



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« Reply #5419 on: February 03, 2019, 09:02:03 AM »
I guess this fits best here.

May you live in interesting times. Iran has new a cruise missile with a long enough range to strike a target anywhere inside Israel  from Iranian territory. (and inside all of Lebanon too )

The missile, dubbed Hoveyzeh, was shown to the general public for the very first time in Tehran on Saturday, amid celebrations of the 40th anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution
https://www.rt.com/news/450423-iran-unveils-new-missile/

Happy 40th for getting rid of the Shah and the US then.

Pity America can't handle rejection because it 'hurts' their sensitive Cancerian feelings. Will take a long time to get over that emotional pain. :)
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« Reply #5420 on: February 07, 2019, 09:41:28 AM »
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« Reply #5421 on: February 07, 2019, 07:08:12 PM »
While the Democrats seems to love it, the rest of the people have shown greater disdain.  I believe this year will be made up of much posturing between the parties, and I think the Democrats are fighting an uphill party on this front.

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« Reply #5422 on: February 09, 2019, 09:44:28 AM »
In case you missed it : The REAL State of the Union, by the guy who should be President :

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« Reply #5423 on: February 12, 2019, 11:51:32 AM »
So, democrats gave Trump 1.7 billion for the wall? What? Why? Don't they know the whole wall is a scam?
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« Reply #5424 on: February 12, 2019, 02:23:24 PM »
It is also not near the money he wants and he is not wired for compromises so it might be a 1.7B rope.

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« Reply #5425 on: February 13, 2019, 11:54:31 AM »
Donald Trump's tax cut was a massive giveaway to large, profitable corporations and wealthy Republican campaign contributors.

Here is the ROI of their Trump Presidency campaign contributions :

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« Reply #5426 on: February 15, 2019, 04:58:10 AM »
This is truly dangerous, folks :

Trump’s Followers Believe His Lies About the Wall
No evidence—not even from Fox News—can shake their faith.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/trump-followers-believe-lies-wall.html

Trumpism isn’t about a border wall, any more than it’s about patriotism or conservatism. It’s about unshakeable faith in one man.

Last time that happened, we had to fight a World War to get back to reason.
Now it's happening in the US itself...
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« Reply #5427 on: February 15, 2019, 07:49:57 AM »
Trump is declaring a national emergency to bypass Congress, to build a wall we don’t need, to address a crisis that doesn’t exist, by claiming an authority he doesn’t have.
 
If that sounds like nonsense, it’s because it is. It’s also plainly unconstitutional.

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1096190019746873344

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« Reply #5428 on: February 15, 2019, 10:01:17 AM »
Hey Rob,

while i agree with you in general, is it literally unconstitutional?

I mean, yeah, it should be unconstitutional but is it really?

For how i see it, the constitution has a lot of wiggle room so a president that wants to act authoritarian is not explicitly forbidden to do so. But i'm not an expert on the constitution and am very thankful for every input on the topic.

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« Reply #5429 on: February 15, 2019, 10:22:09 AM »
Trump is President because the "system" allowed it to happen that way. Including the Constitution and including the SCOTUS. Far worse than him are coming down the turnpike now the floodgates have opened. Enjoy it.

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« Reply #5430 on: February 15, 2019, 02:30:21 PM »
Hilarious. They are not only faking Trump's height (4:50 ff in video) but even his finger length (8:49).



Great piece of investigative journalism :) :)
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