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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5750 on: November 23, 2019, 11:40:46 PM »
I didn't know whether to put this in humor or this thread, but it is all true (although told in a snarky style) so here it goes:

5 Ways Trump Is, Unfortunately, A Genius
https://www.cracked.com/article_26858_5-ways-trump-is-unfortunately-genius.html
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As the 2020 presidential election marches ever closer, the flood of daily Trump news we have to deal with will escalate into a tsunami. To help keep everyone's heads above the waves, we need to refresh ourselves on the same obnoxious tricks he's been pulling since 2016. Trump isn't exactly a master manipulator -- he's shot himself in the foot a few too many dozen times for that -- but he has a raw understanding of power that produces endless, exhausting distractions everyone still falls for.
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« Reply #5751 on: November 24, 2019, 05:25:20 AM »
FWIW i want to note that this has changed in the last couple of weeks. He is no more narrating the public debate. The impeachment hearings and the Dems now do.

I tend to hope they broke the cycle.
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« Reply #5752 on: November 26, 2019, 07:16:33 PM »
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Trump wonders why the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage wasn’t celebrated 'a long time ago'

The POTUS is as dumb stupid as bread.
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« Reply #5753 on: November 26, 2019, 08:30:44 PM »
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Trump wonders why the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage wasn’t celebrated 'a long time ago'

The POTUS is as dumb as bread.

You mean stupid as bread. I knew a deaf and dumb woman and she was pretty smart.
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« Reply #5754 on: November 26, 2019, 09:25:04 PM »
English is hard.

Thanks, Tom!
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« Reply #5755 on: November 26, 2019, 10:40:35 PM »
Other colloquialisms appropriate to the occasion ...

Dumber than dirt

As fucked-up as a football bat
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« Reply #5756 on: November 26, 2019, 11:23:53 PM »
alliteration is probably helping those two, vox_mundi.
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« Reply #5757 on: November 28, 2019, 02:46:19 AM »
This is not a joke. I thought this must be a hoax or something. This can't be real, right? Well, the POTUS is really that stupid. -.-

Link >> https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-reads-his-sondland-hearing-notes-to-press-underscores-i-want-no-quid-pro-quo-73756229686
Where did he get the Latin from? :)
Wasn't it clear back then, during the hearing, that Trump knew he got caught?
Meanwhile the NY Times sensationally titles:
Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to Ukraine
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« Reply #5758 on: November 28, 2019, 06:26:18 AM »
Engelhardt begins to understand: Trump presidency as as media production

"since 2016, Donald Trump has been covered in our ever-shrinking yet ever-expanding media universe like no other individual in history from Nebuchadnezzar’s moment to our own."

"He fills the screen. Every screen. All the time."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176634/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_which_hunt_who_knows_which_witch/

Engelhardt is a sharp observer bu it took him a while to get here.

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« Reply #5759 on: November 28, 2019, 05:37:22 PM »
Trump being a fucking reality-TV host didn't tip him off?

Sure about the sharp observer thingy, Sidd? ;)
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« Reply #5760 on: November 28, 2019, 11:41:16 PM »
Actually, yes. We are all sharp at some things, dull at others. Tomdispatch is a site i watch.

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« Reply #5761 on: December 12, 2019, 06:06:23 PM »
“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5762 on: December 12, 2019, 09:00:38 PM »
Engelhardt begins to understand: Trump presidency as as media production

"since 2016, Donald Trump has been covered in our ever-shrinking yet ever-expanding media universe like no other individual in history from Nebuchadnezzar’s moment to our own."

"He fills the screen. Every screen. All the time."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176634/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_which_hunt_who_knows_which_witch/

Engelhardt is a sharp observer bu it took him a while to get here.

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Already heard that on MSNBC in late 2016... It's not just the medias' fault. Trump has been a big media manipulator since last century. E.g. long ago he even invented a fake persona to phone in on some show and tell his crap. Trashing Tv and tabloids with smoke and mirrors and shiny baubles - like "no other individual in history from Nebuchadnezzar’s moment to our own."  Except perhaps Berlusconi of Italy... And they all happily took it. Bazillions of $$ worth of airtime - much more than Hillary spent - given gratis to the Donald. Media manipulation and bullying is his only skill: As a psychopath he's quite good at his job.

(The terror reign of psychopaths, a curse of civilization. Hunter gatherers got rid of them by leaving them in the desert or ice, or sent them slaughtering other psychopaths in single combat. But what are we doing? Make them President, or CEO, or guru... OM Guru guru hare Donald hare Vladimir guru guru...)
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5763 on: December 12, 2019, 09:23:57 PM »
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But, but Clinton cash!  ::)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Cash

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The irony and the grand scheme this comment alludes to might not be apparent to some readers. Relativistic whataboutism is a major psychopath tool.
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« Reply #5764 on: December 12, 2019, 09:45:23 PM »
What do you mean with 'this comment', Martin? Your comment or the quoted tweet?
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« Reply #5765 on: December 19, 2019, 04:50:22 PM »
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« Reply #5767 on: December 23, 2019, 05:49:13 AM »
It's still funny though, to see some hard-core Democrats call the loser of the popular vote as a SOVIET agent. The fears of drops in production and market value under (pseudo-)sosialistic governments run deep in some Democrats.
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« Reply #5768 on: December 23, 2019, 06:36:18 AM »
Well, the IMPOTUS told everyone on camera that he believes Putin more than his fellow countryman.

And then these 1,932 other things that make you think he's in Putin's ass.

This is not a red scare...

Not saying he's doing it for the sake of helping Putin, but it has that effect!
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« Reply #5769 on: December 23, 2019, 08:48:47 AM »
Re: he believes Putin more than his fellow countryman

If i were to choose between USA deepstate propaganda from Brennan, or Clapper or the like and Putin propaganda, Putin wins hands down, he laid it out long time ago.

Munich 2007:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/24034

Valdai Club 2014:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/46860

UN Assembly:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50385

Or for that matter, from our late Osama:

1996 fatwa:
http://mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm

1998:
https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

2004:
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

US propagandists would do well to read Ellul. They used to be better at this, their control of the mighty wurlitzer is slipping.

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« Reply #5770 on: December 23, 2019, 09:02:54 AM »
Not sure i understand your counterargument, Sidd? Are you arguing that Putin's agenda is better for the US than the US agenda? I get the US agenda is flawed but this is not an argument to trust Putin more, right?
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« Reply #5771 on: December 23, 2019, 11:04:22 PM »
Re: Putin's agenda

He is more truthful than almost all US politicians and US intelligence agencies.

If you read the speeches, he is stating that the world is no longer US satrapy. And lays out a picture of the future that explicitly builds on this insight. And that he does not expect the USA to decline willingly. And much more.

And in so saying, he is far more truthful than Brennan and the rest. Whether you agree or disagree with his theses.

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« Reply #5772 on: December 24, 2019, 06:25:51 AM »
If you find Putin to be truthful, i don't know what to say anymore, Sidd.

You are allowed to have this opinion i guess.
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« Reply #5773 on: December 24, 2019, 08:11:30 AM »
Goodmorning! Have a laugh, or have a weep. Listen up: This is the most powerful 'leader' of the most powerful country speaking.


‘I never understood wind’: Trump goes on bizarre tirade against wind turbines

President’s nonsensical rambling remarks about ‘windmills’ in segment from weekend speech raised eyebrows

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/23/trump-bizarre-tirade-windmills
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  First part of article:

He says he knows more about Isis than his generals, and claims to understand politicians “better than anybody”. Now there is another subject in which Donald Trump’s expert knowledge surpasses that of everybody else: wind turbines, though he calls them windmills.

“I’ve studied it better than anybody I know,” the president asserted in a bizarre segment from a weekend speech to young conservatives in West Palm Beach, Florida, close to his winter retreat at Mar-a-Lago where he is spending the holidays.

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. They’re noisy. They kill the birds. You want to see a bird graveyard? Go under a windmill someday. You’ll see more birds than you’ve ever seen in your life.”

Trump ripped into a range of familiar targets in a speech lasting more than one hour at the Turning Point USA student action summit, from the Democrats and House speaker Nancy Pelosi, to his recent impeachment and the so-called Never Trumpers in the Republican party who he said were “the dumbest human beings on earth”.

But it was his rambling and often nonsensical remarks about wind turbines, during a diatribe against the Green New Deal and renewable energy resources, that raised eyebrows.

“They’re made in China and Germany mostly,” Trump said of wind turbines, of which there are more than 57,000 across the US, according to the American Wind Energy Association. “But they’re manufactured tremendous if you’re into this, tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything.

“You talk about the carbon footprint, fumes are spewing into the air, right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything, right?”

It was unclear what exactly Trump meant, or how Trump equated wind turbines converting clean air into energy to toxic fumes fouling the atmosphere. But he did share his thoughts on their appearance.

“You see all those [windmills]. They’re all different shades of color,” he said. “They’re like sort of white, but one is like an orange-white. It’s my favorite color, orange.”

The president’s “war on wind” is not new: earlier this year he was ridiculed for his claims that wind turbines destroyed property values and caused cancer from their noise.

He is accused of having begun his tirades against wind turbines after wind farm developments were proposed near the golf course he owns in Scotland.
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« Reply #5774 on: December 24, 2019, 08:12:03 AM »
"More truthful" than western politicians. A low bar.

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« Reply #5775 on: December 24, 2019, 09:02:35 AM »
I agree only on the low bar. ;)
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« Reply #5776 on: December 25, 2019, 01:35:47 PM »
Hundreds of kids in Texas are spending Christmas Eve taking care of each other. Freezing cold, insufficient food, water, medical attention, hygienic resources. No contact with their parents. Many as young as 1.

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« Reply #5777 on: December 25, 2019, 01:39:45 PM »
“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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« Reply #5778 on: December 25, 2019, 03:20:02 PM »
Goodmorning! Have a laugh, or have a weep. Listen up: This is the most powerful 'leader' of the most powerful country speaking.


‘I never understood wind’: Trump goes on bizarre tirade against wind turbines
Once I would have laughed. Now I weep.

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« Reply #5779 on: December 25, 2019, 04:15:27 PM »
The WH has put Hanukkah on the Advent Calendar. Judaism has been declared a nationality. And Trump's personal lawyer has asserted that holocaust victim George Soros is not a Jew because he doesn't go to church.

The stupid just keeps on coming...

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« Reply #5780 on: December 25, 2019, 04:37:19 PM »
Yeah, that happened, Wili. :(

Think about it. Why would he say such a thing? For us, it's bogus, right?

I think for him, this makes perfect sense. In his antisemitic mind, all Jews are greedy. And he knows for a fact, that he is way more greedy then them.

Makes sense this way, no?

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« Reply #5781 on: December 25, 2019, 07:11:51 PM »
I'm disappointed here. There are more important things. Zoom out. Have a good christmas.
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« Reply #5782 on: December 25, 2019, 09:29:18 PM »
There are hardly any liberal democrats wanting to do good for the people which is very much sidds point.

See the inequality thread and the articles posted there on the damage Clinton did. Putin talks about the power game. In the US you get some impeachment witch hunt theatre and BS about bringing democracy to Venezuela. Like you ate the none existing WMD in Iraq before and when the twin towers went down no one questioned the unwillingness of the US government to start an inquiry or secure the evidence. Nope you just got the Patriot act and more flag waving at sports events.

And then some people think it is bad when an african american protests because african americans like him get shot like niggers. So a heavily armed squad surrounding a man asking not to shoot him shoot him anyway and then get acquitted.

The land of the free has slave labor in prisons and illegal debt collecting and imprisonment in places.

Just read the inequality thread and see how the system destroys people.

The US removed the best internal investment they had by getting rid of some socialist measure where the state paid out salaries to people in areas where the one prime employer went bust. Basically they would pay part of the salary for a time. But these dollars went from the workers into the shops and all around. Although this was an emergency measure it actually made money (pretty sure it has a higher demonstrated rate then trickle down).

No democrat made much fuss about that even if there was a really good case that this was bad politics.

Also Obama.
Smooth talker.
Now calculate what TARP cost you. Etc.

Find out for each congress and senate member what they were worth when they started and were they are now.
Who sits on what committee and who are there donors.

Politics is not just a thing on TV. Your rights are not Mexans and freedom is not a given.

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« Reply #5783 on: December 25, 2019, 10:15:04 PM »
Re:  by sidd's logic, we should apparently embrace this Trump

How so ? Please quote a single post of mine where i say that, or retract. the statement.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5784 on: December 26, 2019, 04:06:22 AM »
I took my earlier comment down, but I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

Quote from: sidd on December 23, 2019, 08:32:47 AM

    "I never vote. But if i do vote it'll be for Trump, just to piss the democrats off."

And above he is touting Putin as a truth teller, so he claims to value truth yet would be willing to support the objectively lying-est president or politician probably ever. That strikes me as a bit of an inconsistency/contradiction.

Is it now somehow outrageous to point out apparent inconsistencies and contradictions in fellow posters comments? Is that somehow a 'smear.' I am sure my posts show all sorts of inconsistencies, and I personally am more than happy for others to point them out, as they have on occasion.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5785 on: December 26, 2019, 05:51:48 AM »
Re: Quote from sidd:  "I never vote. But if i do vote it'll be for Trump, just to piss the democrats off."

That is a quote from the bartender at the bar i was at. Ascribing it to me is a lie.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2446.msg241715.html#msg241715

Re:  "touting Putin as a truth teller, so he claims to value truth yet would be willing to support the objectively lying-est president or politician probably ever."

My statement was that Putin was more truthful than Western politicians, and that was a low bar.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1748.msg241793.html#msg241793
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1748.msg241829.html#msg241829

No post of mine states i support Trump. Stating that I do is a lie. Find and exhibit any such post or retract.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5786 on: December 26, 2019, 06:01:25 AM »
Got it. My bad, and my apologies.
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« Reply #5787 on: December 26, 2019, 06:06:45 AM »
Accepted. Lets move on.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5788 on: December 26, 2019, 07:26:38 AM »
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I make the same mistakes wili. Recently with AbruptSLR.
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« Reply #5789 on: December 26, 2019, 04:20:10 PM »
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Is it now somehow outrageous to point out apparent inconsistencies and contradictions in fellow posters comments? Is that somehow a 'smear.' [...]
Funny how some who have been on the side of science in the climate "debate" for many many many years are blind and deaf when it comes to fact based logical analysis and discussion of polit stuff.
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« Reply #5790 on: December 26, 2019, 07:38:05 PM »
Funny how some who have been on the side of science in the climate "debate" for many many many years are blind and deaf when it comes to fact based logical analysis and discussion of polit stuff.

Oh, the irony...
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5791 on: December 27, 2019, 03:39:24 AM »
My statement was that Putin was more truthful than Western politicians, and that was a low bar.
Flori calls that a "false nonequivalence". (Google presents a FORTRAN programming language manual on the only page of search results with "".)  Methinks one should by default trust neither any statement by Putin nor by Trump. ==> Putinversteher.
Sorry for laughing :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinversteher

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5792 on: December 28, 2019, 09:14:28 AM »
Trump actually talks to enlisted: learns that war is going to hell

"I don't want any generals in here. I don't want any officers,"

"It's unwinnable. NATO's a joke. Nobody knows what they're doing,"

sorta like wapo afghanistan papers.

https://archive.is/b8jGa

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« Reply #5793 on: December 28, 2019, 11:02:13 PM »

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« Reply #5794 on: December 28, 2019, 11:09:20 PM »
Trump breaks republican economics: adopts democrat policies

"shattered Republican orthodoxy on an extraordinary range of economic policies"

"From trade to spending, from the Federal Reserve to paid parental leave, Trump has embraced policy changes that historically are more in line with the approach of Democrats — establishing a forceful role for government in setting the terms of the economy — than of Republicans."

"blown away traditional GOP concerns over the rising federal deficit, cutting bipartisan deals to expand government spending and even extend a new paid-leave benefit to the federal workforce. He unilaterally implemented a farm bailout that could prove more expensive than the auto bailout was a decade ago"

"Two core party constituencies for decades — free-market traders and deficit hawks — are at risk of being effectively exiled from the GOP"

"Republicans have traditionally resisted tariffs and supported large business groups in their quest for expanding international markets. Democrats have typically led the charge to crack down on China trade practices and revamp NAFTA."

"Trump flipped this dynamic upside-down. After blasting the United States’ trade relations with foreign nations as a presidential candidate, Trump took action on the issue by launching a trade war with China and slapping increasingly aggressive tariffs on other countries."

"Trump has upended the GOP positions on both monetary and fiscal policy."

 “I’m not sure Trump has changed the minds of Republican lawmakers as much as he has won over the base and lawmakers understand crossing the president is political suicide.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/27/trumps-quest-shatter-gop-economics-reached-its-culmination/

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5795 on: December 29, 2019, 06:57:18 AM »
Trump breaks republican economics: adopts democrat policies

"blown away traditional GOP concerns over the rising federal deficit,

The rising federal deficit is a function of the tax cuts and an extremely high military budget.

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cutting bipartisan deals to expand government spending and even extend a new paid-leave benefit to the federal workforce.

The Dems would make it universal.

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He unilaterally implemented a farm bailout that could prove more expensive than the auto bailout was a decade ago"

A reaction to the chaos he caused. How is this Dems like politics? The Dems wouldn't have initialized a trade war in the first place.

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are at risk of being effectively exiled from the GOP"

That's the funniest bit. As if they would abandon him as long as he does the dog-whistling for them...

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After blasting the United States’ trade relations with foreign nations as a presidential candidate, Trump took action on the issue by launching a trade war with China and slapping increasingly aggressive tariffs on other countries."

... and only hurt his own fucking people as a result.
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« Reply #5797 on: December 30, 2019, 06:27:27 PM »
Federal Reserve report finds Trump's tariffs raised prices, cut employment and hurt US manufacturers
https://www.salon.com/2019/12/30/federal-reserve-report-finds-trumps-tariffs-raised-prices-cut-employment-and-hurt-us-manufacturers/

Trump has argued that the tariffs provide leverage for ongoing trade negotiations, but extensive data thus far shows that his trade war has devastated manufacturers, farmers and other industries.



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« Reply #5798 on: January 02, 2020, 05:31:26 PM »
A Bigger Foreign-Policy Mess Than Anyone Predicted
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/01/bigger-foreign-policy-mess-anyone-predicted/162166/

In the 2010s, global affairs turned out far worse than the most pessimistic scenario foretold by U.S. intelligence experts.

... Republicans used to wonder why moderate Muslims would not speak out against jihadists in their midst. They surely know the answer to that question now.

With little to fear except a nasty tweet and a loss in a primary, GOP elected officials have capitulated to a man whom they regarded as a buffoon and completely unfit to be president.

Autocrats around the world do pay a small price for assassinating their rivals at will or reintroducing concentration camps, but it is a price they can and will pay for the perceived benefit it brings them. They are all learning about how to wield power more effectively, how to weaken and divide their opponents, and how to maintain enough popular support to stay in office.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5799 on: January 03, 2020, 09:04:50 AM »
Trump has got his war: USA assassinates Soleimani

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50979463

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