The Trump

[AbruptSLR]

The linked article is entitled: "'Concrete evidence of collusion between Trump team and Russia' handed to official investigation".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-russia-investigation-now-has-specific-concrete-and-corroborative-evidence-of-collusion-a7683386.html

Extract: "The official investigation into relations between Donald Trump and Russia now has "specific, concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion", it has been reported.

New evidence proves discussions took place “between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material,” a source allegedly told the Guardian.

The developments come as it has emerged that Britain’s spy agencies were among the first to alert their American counterparts to contact between members of Mr Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives."

[DrTskoul]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58f52397e4b0da2ff862741e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
President Donald Trump reportedly called Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday to congratulate him after Erdogan narrowly emerged victorious from a referendum to inflate his political powers, Turkish officials told state media and Reuters.

One autocratic pig to another....

[Buddy]

Anyone who "poo poo's" the value of STRONG PROTEST.....needs only to look at the fact that Donnie has now dropped the possibility of passing any tax legislation until much later in the year.

And.....I think that any tax legislation will have to wait till Donnie shows his FULL tax returns...which I believe will never happen UNLESS they are subpoenaed.

Now....the protest turns to global warming, science, and the environment.  I expect some BIGLY marches....

[Buddy]

There is nobody better to expose a CON MAN like Trump.....than another con man like Alex Jones.....as Stephen Colbert points out:



Keep in mind that WE ARE ONLY 90 DAYS INTO TRUMP's TERM.  90 F**KING DAYS.  Yesterday....the press at the daily briefing showed signs that they might be at the start of mocking Trump themselves.  This is only the BEGINNING of the mocking by the press corps at the daily briefings....but I FULL expect this to get more aggressive and "in your face" in the coming months as Trump continues to push the pedal on LIES....and Spicey and others will have to lie in order to cover.

In this short 90 second clip of Spicer....you can see some of the "looks" of the press as Spicer talks about Trump's "audit".



If you think it has been "crazy" up till NOW.....just remember....we are ONLY 90 DAYS IN.   They will OPENLY be mocking Spicer and Trump before this thing is over and done....

Tick....tick....tick.....tick....

[Buddy]

Let's see what the good people of RED STATE Arkansas say about seeing Trump's tax returns in this 2 minute video clip:



You think the people of Arkansas want to see those returns?

[TerryM]

Let's see what the good people of RED STATE Arkansas say about seeing Trump's tax returns in this 2 minute video clip:



You think the people of Arkansas want to see those returns?

Why do you think Trump's returns will make any difference in an election to be fought in 2020?
Will they show that he's rich? Will they show he's poor? Did he pay too little in taxes, or too much?


Do you believe that this is as important as Trump's actions since taking office?
Do you believe that more important questions could be asked?
Do you think this could be a distraction?


Terry

[Jim Pettit]

Why do you think Trump's returns will make any difference in an election to be fought in 2020?
Will they show that he's rich? Will they show he's poor? Did he pay too little in taxes, or too much?


Do you believe that this is as important as Trump's actions since taking office?
Do you believe that more important questions could be asked?
Do you think this could be a distraction?

Trump's tax returns, about which he and his various mouthpieces have continued to lie for many months now, are of great interest to growing millions of people. And it's about far more than whether he's "too rich" or "too poor", whatever that means. No.

It's about knowing from whom he's borrowed money, and to whom he owes. It's about knowing whether his debt can be used to manipulate him. It's about knowing whether any policy he proposes or law he executes is being put into place to help the country, or simply to enrich himself and his family. It's about knowing from which foreign sources he has received, and continues to receive, payments. It's about the conflicts of interest in his many holdings. It's about just how many times he's broken the emoluments clause. It's about transparency.

"Do you believe that this is as important as Trump's actions since taking office?"

Absolutely. And it's certainly more important than his future actions. To wit: no tax returns, no tax reform. Period.

"Do you believe that more important questions could be asked?"

I'm certain that's always the case. But be that as it may, we deserve to know whether our President is a conman.

"Do you think this could be a distraction?"

Well, Trump is certainly hoping that it is, isn't he?

[Buddy]

Ditto all the above by Jim P.

Why EVERYONE who is running for a US Senate seat.....US House seat.....President....Vice President....Every cabinet position....and the Supreme Court....doesn't have to show their FULL tax returns for AT LEAST the last 10 years is beyond me.  TRULY AMAZING....

In fact....in the case of the ELECTED OFFICES ABOVE....they should have to show those AT LEAST 1 MONTH BEFORE THEY ARE ON THE PRIMARY BALLOT.

I don't want some LYING SHLEP to get through the primary without showing the return.....only to get into the general election and show their returns that would have been laughed at in the primary. 

It's ABOUT TRANSPARENCY......IT'S ABOUT HONESTY.

[TerryM]

"Do you think this could be a distraction?"

Well, Trump is certainly hoping that it is, isn't he?

Certainly, beyond a doubt, indubitably, - I could continue, but that would distract from asking why you are playing along?


Terry

[Buddy]

Here is an interesting story about "incentives and disincentives":

Knowing WHY someone is "incentivized" to do something or NOT do something is very important.  Whether you are in business or government or sports.......the phrase "follow the money" applies.

Here is a fun article about incentives for Maurice Harkless of the Portland Trailblazers NBA basketball team.  And why.....all of the sudden....he quit attempting 3 point shots:

http://www.businessinsider.com/maurice-harkless-bonus-3-pointers-2017-4

And that is why I want to SEE the tax returns of federally elected politicians.  I want to know if there are any PERSONAL INCENTIVES for why they are voting for or against legislation.  And to do that...you need to see the tax return.

 

[Buddy]

Do you think this could be a distraction?

NO

Donnie won't be able to get any significant tax legislation voted on until he shows his tax returns.

As I have always said....Donnie makes BAD DECISIONS.  Instead of going with tax legislation FIRST(or infrastructure spending), he chose healthcare.  He lost that battle.  And now some of the moderate Republicans have a little more spring in their step, and they also want to see Donnie's tax returns.  THAT....is going to be a problem for Donnie.

There is now too much momentum to see Donnie's tax returns....so he is stuck in the mud on tax reform until he shows his returns (which he is NOT going to do).

In fact....I would NOT be surprised, if Donnie has his tax returns subpoenaed in the coming RussiaGate investigations.  That is likely the only way we will ever see his FULL RETURNS.

Donnie is boxing himself in a corner.....but that is what someone does when they start to run out of lies.



 

[Buddy]

A little Trump humor to lighten the day....

[sidd]

" ... we deserve to know whether our President is a conman."

O that's easy. Trump is a conman. Does anyone not know that ?

sidd

[AbruptSLR]

The linked article is entitled: “Pro-Trump rioters got away with beating anti-fascists in Berkeley — and likely won’t stop there”.  When 'Brown Shirts' are allowed to thrive in America, we have all become losers.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/18/pro-trump-rioters-got-away-with-beating-anti-fascists-in-berkeley-and-they-likely-wont-stop-there/

Extract: “The Berkeley street violence was a great marketing event for alt-right types eager to attack anti-Trump protesters
…
Most of the demonstrations held on April 15, which was set aside by progressives for marches to demand that Donald Trump reveal his tax returns, were peaceful. The notable exception was the city of Berkeley, California — often described as the most liberal community in the nation — where things rapidly descended into a street fight between radical right-wingers and more left-leaning counterprotesters.

A group of hard-right extremists came to Berkeley to hold a rally in support of Trump. While they are, of course, claiming that they only resorted to violence in self-defense, it’s clear from the social-media organizing done ahead of time that their intention was to start a riot.”

[TerryM]

Sounds like Berkeley in the 60's.


Ah, the scent of teargas wafting across the park as bullhorns vied for our attention.
Reagan's poster in a cowboy hat with a box of Borax balanced on his manly bicep.
 
The heading;
SINCERITY

Terry

[sidd]

I've been watching Trump since the eighties, and when he first ran for president back then, I thought  he got the idea from the election of Reagan. What the hell, he thought to himself, if that cheap second rate actor can get to be prez, why not a cheap huckster from New York ?

sidd

[Buddy]

Spicey is NOT going to have a good day Wednesday.  And DONNIE.....DONNIE is headed in the wrong direction.   But SPICEY......he has a lot of explaining to do.  Saturday Night Live has got to be licking their chops.

[AbruptSLR]

The linked article is entitled: “The Options for Impeaching Trump”, & it cites: corruption, abuse of power & the Russian-connection.

http://abc.go.com/shows/designated-survivor/episode-guide/season-01/13-backfire

Extract: “A legal expert lays out three very strong cases.”

[TerryM]

Since you have no faith in your own elections, how can you be expected to believe that mine were legit?
Will you now claim that Canada's Prime Minister, or Frances President, or Germany's Chancellor are tainted the first time they stand up to your or America's bullying? This is the very definition of a rogue nation. A state that won't accept the legitimacy of it's own elections can't be trusted to accept the choices that other nations make.
If you succeed, other nations will ridicule America's democracy. The Divine Rule of Kings was eventually laughed off the world stage.


Terry



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[Buddy]

Jason Chaffetz not running for re-election in 2018.  Not a surprise here.....if I were going to prison, I probably wouldn't run for re-election either.  Let's see.....another term in office....or a term in prison.  OK....prison it is.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/329458-chaffetz-wont-run-for-reelection-report

[Sigmetnow]

DT constantly flip-flops because he is unable to hold detailed policy beliefs in his head.  He can't remember things he's said over the span of a few minutes, let alone weeks or months -- he's repeated a story twice in the course of one interview, for example; or completely changed his statements over the course of a day.  If you have any experience with people afflicted with a pathological brain disorder, you will recognize the chaotic speech pattern in this Time interview:

Robert Reich:  The interview with Trump that came out [in March] in Time Magazine is chilling. If you had any doubt whatsoever that this man is unhinged, you will not after reading this.
http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/

On his flip-flops:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-18/trump-s-flip-flops-don-t-signify-maturity

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/14/523811675/trump-then-and-now-what-his-shifting-positions-say-about-what-he-believes

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801


Any consistency DT has shown must be due to his aides reminding him of things....  It has been obvious for some time that he parrots the ideas of the person who talked to him most recently -- which is one reason it's so troubling that the White House visitor logs will no longer be released.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-white-house-visitor-logs-20170414-story.html

[TerryM]

SMnow


It's a Republican thing.


The Great Communicator thought he'd freed the Jews in Auschwitz, but the closest he got to the front in the war years was Burbank California. The 322nd Rifle Division actually liberated the camp & there's little chance that Reagan had signed on with them since they were part of the Red Army.


Bush the Elder still can't recall where he was when President Kennedy was assassinated, and his son couldn't do any better with "Fool me once" than Lou Costello could trying to figure out "Who was on first".


President Trump is certainly an ignorant fool, but this does little to distinguish him from a long line of Republican predecessors.


Terry

[Buddy]

Well....since Donnie took credit for the economy since he took office....I'm sure he'll be more than happy to blame Obama for this bit of news:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/first-time-since-trumps-win-economic-news-isnt-getting-better-142715566.html

Not surprised to see some "softening".  I also expect oil prices to head SOUTH over the coming several months.....and for oil companies to cut back on their dividends (Mr. Oil stock shareholder is NOT going to like that one bit).  Greed is a funny animal....and you never know when he is going to bite you.

It's kind of funny.  Donnie has stacked his administration with just the people WE DON'T NEED going into the future:  Fossil fuel folks.  It will be interesting to see how his administration reacts when oil prices head further south......and the big oil companies have to admit they will cut dividends in order to invest in renewable energy resources.  Boy....that one is going to sting Donnie a bit when it comes......

Keep in mind that Donnie DELAYED his response to the Paris agreement for at least a couple of weeks....it was supposed to come out this week.  I wonder why he did that?  I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with the upcoming marches on APRIL 22nd and APRIL 29th.

The tourist industry INTO THE US has become soft over the last 3 months.  I can't imagine why?  Donnie has created such a welcoming attitude in the US towards anyone of a different color or ethnicity. Hmmmmmmmm

We'll see if the economy softens a bit in coming weeks and months....and what Donnie's reply will be.

OBAMBA.....
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[SteveMDFP]

Since you have no faith in your own elections, how can you be expected to believe that mine were legit?
Will you now claim that Canada's Prime Minister, or Frances President, or Germany's Chancellor are tainted the first time they stand up to your or America's bullying? This is the very definition of a rogue nation. A state that won't accept the legitimacy of it's own elections can't be trusted to accept the choices that other nations make.
If you succeed, other nations will ridicule America's democracy. The Divine Rule of Kings was eventually laughed off the world stage.


Terry

No, there's nothing in a lawful impeachment process that undermines democracy, quite the opposite.
You may recall Nixon having engaged in lawless behavior prior to his successful re-election.  This wasn't revealed until well after his re-inauguration.  Facts became public, investigations were pursued and as impeachment proceedings started, he resigned.

American democracy wasn't harmed in this process, it was re-affirmed.  It showed that nobody is above the law, that crooked politicians, even the Presidet, are held accountable.  A number of legislative reforms were passed to prevent such a President from using the levers of government to stay in power.

Lawful impeachment preserves and strengthens democracy, it doesn't harm it.

[Sigmetnow]

"Stupid or nefarious?" 

News commentary video from April 18, 2017:
The DT administration, including National Security chiefs, misplace an aircraft carrier strike force they said was headed to North Korea. It wasn't.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-foreign-policy-antics-raise-question-stupid-or-nefarious-924117571804

Part 2: An historical perspective of the screw-up.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-military-confusion-risks-sending-dangerous-mixed-message-924168259932

[Buddy]

Effect of Trump policies on travel industry:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/04/17/1653897/-Who-could-ve-known-a-Muslim-ban-would-devastate-U-S-tourism

The "ray of sunshine"....is that tourism from RUSSIA is up.....

[Buddy]

No surprise here....with Rex doing Exxon's bidding...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/04/17/1653897/-Who-could-ve-known-a-Muslim-ban-would-devastate-U-S-tourism

[DrTskoul]

No surprise here....with Rex doing Exxon's bidding...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/04/17/1653897/-Who-could-ve-known-a-Muslim-ban-would-devastate-U-S-tourism

That's BS and you know it....

[Buddy]

That's BS and you know it

NO.

[Jim Pettit]

That's BS and you know it....

To which part are you referring? The linked item? Or the bit about Tillerson/Exxon?

[DrTskoul]

That's BS and you know it

NO.

Rex will help ExxonMobil ( that's the name ) as much as his predecessor Lee Raymond ( the arch bastard ) helped them after he left. Which is a big fat zero....

[Jim Pettit]

Rex will help ExxonMobil ( that's the name ) as much as his predecessor Lee Raymond ( the arch bastard ) helped them after he left. Which is a big fat zero....

I don't know about that. Raymond retired to a life of leisure, though he continues to spout nonsense about the "Unamerican" "dangers" of climate change regulation. Tillerson, OTOH, became the US Secretary of State, a position of great power. Whether to waive the sanctions against Russia--as requested by Exxon so they can resume Tillerson's nine-figure deal with Rosneft--isn't Tillerson's call, and, in fact, he's supposedly recused himself from Exxon-related matters for two years. But we'll see. But given the admin's ways so far, and given Tillerson's truculence with any and all press, I can't imagine him not weighing in in favor of his old employer.

[DrTskoul]

Nobody can stop anybody spouting any sort of deranged ideas. My point is nothing of what he did after he left had any positive impact to ExxonMobil. Also the application to get an excemption from the sanctions was filed during the Obama's tenure. All businesses have the same recourse in applying for excemptions for various sanctions around the world. As you said we'll see.

[DrTskoul]

I just hate easy, conspiracy theorist like,  slogans.. whichever side they come from..

[wili]

You're alright with naiveté, though??

[DrTskoul]

You're alright with naiveté, though??

Touché....call it a character flaw

[Jim Pettit]

Nobody can stop anybody spouting any sort of deranged ideas. My point is nothing of what he did after he left had any positive impact to ExxonMobil. Also the application to get an excemption from the sanctions was filed during the Obama's tenure. All businesses have the same recourse in applying for excemptions for various sanctions around the world. As you said we'll see.

It's a fact that Tillerson is the ex-CEO of the world's largest fossil fuel corporation.

It's a fact that as CEO of Exxon, Tillerson signed a deal with Russia's state oil company that would have benefited his ex-employer greatly had Obama not put the brakes on it via sanctions.

It's a fact that Tillerson, as CEO of Exxon, applied for those sanctions to be lifted in order to allow that billion-dollar deal to go through.

It's a fact that Tillerson was chosen as Secretary of State by a Putin-obsessed, Russian-aided POTUS despite having earned not such much as one second of diplomatic experience.

That's not loosely-connected innuendo; that's not "deranged" struggling to connect imaginary dots; that's not baseless conspiracy theory. Those are just the facts as we know them.

Raymond retired, parachuting gracefully away. Tillerson moved into a position of enormous power and influence. Will he help Exxon by lifting those sanctions? We don't know. But given the corporatist agenda of the administration so far, no one will be surprised if he does. And given the open corruption and utter lack of transparency in the Trump regime, we'll never truly know who would profit...

[DrTskoul]

Nobody can stop anybody spouting any sort of deranged ideas. My point is nothing of what he did after he left had any positive impact to ExxonMobil. Also the application to get an excemption from the sanctions was filed during the Obama's tenure. All businesses have the same recourse in applying for excemptions for various sanctions around the world. As you said we'll see.

It's a fact that Tillerson is the ex-CEO of the world's largest fossil fuel corporation.

It's a fact that as CEO of Exxon, Tillerson signed a deal with Russia's state oil company that would have benefited his ex-employer greatly had Obama not put the brakes on it via sanctions.

It's a fact that Tillerson, as CEO of Exxon, applied for those sanctions to be lifted in order to allow that billion-dollar deal to go through.

It's a fact that Tillerson was chosen as Secretary of State by a Putin-obsessed, Russian-aided POTUS despite having earned not such much as one second of diplomatic experience.

That's not loosely-connected innuendo; that's not "deranged" struggling to connect imaginary dots; that's not baseless conspiracy theory. Those are just the facts as we know them.

Raymond retired, parachuting gracefully away. Tillerson moved into a position of enormous power and influence. Will he help Exxon by lifting those sanctions? We don't know. But given the corporatist agenda of the administration so far, no one will be surprised if he does. And given the open corruption and utter lack of transparency in the Trump regime, we'll never truly know who would profit...

I was not clear. The deranged ideas referred to Lee....

[Buddy]

Looks like Jason Chaffetz is going to be leaving office EARLY rather than serve out the rest of his term.  I wonder why that is?  That seems like such a departure for Jason.  Jason was ALWAYS up for a good fight when it came to Benghazi.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

1.  Michael Flynn......gone quiet, and his lawyer is looking for a deal
2.  Rudy Giuliani.......gone quiet, and reportedly looking for a deal
3.  Devin Nunes........had to recuse himself from the House committee investigating RussiaGate......
4.  Paul Manafort......reportedly "looking for a deal" from authorities
5.  Jason Chaffetz.....now leaving office early for some "personal reason"     Not just "not running"......instead, he is "running out of town ASAP."  Maybe he will be moving to Russia....

This is going to end up being one MF'ing mess.  The "roach theory" is in FULL FORCE on RussiaGate.....

The noose will continue to tighten over coming months.....

Donnie needs to get SOMETHING DONE other than playing another 18 holes of golf....to get people OFF OF RUSSIAGATE.   I hear he has a pretty good "short game" but his "long game" has gone limp.

For instance.....he might want to bone up on the history of Korea:



Here we are.....just 3 months in.....and Donnie has become an absolute laughing stock.  Not only at home....but abroad as well.  He has not even met my INCREDIBLY LOW EXPECTATIONS FOR COMPETANCE.

Before....I was worried about Donnie doing something REALLY STUPID.  Now I have a second worry:  If I'm an adversary......I am licking my chops, because I see a country that has Bozo The Clown pretending to be president....and I know he can be bought off (Hi Vlad'....Donnie told me to tell you hi).  He growls loudly.....but he is all bluster (witness the Syria rocket "attack").  This is now becoming MORE dangerous.....because there is no easier mark in a poker game than someone you know is bluffing.

The process continues........ 
   

[Buddy]

For those of you growing "impatient" and wondering why "the process" moves so slowly.....here is the Wikipedia timeline of Watergate.

Note....the break-in to the DNC headquarters (Watergate) happened in June of 1972....that is when the "plumbers" were caught breaking in about 5 months before the re-election took place.  Nixon didn't leave office until 19 months AFTER his re-election.

IF the RussiaGate scandal were to follow the same timing....that would mean that Donnie wouldn't be out of office until August of 2018 (Next August).

Looking through the time-line will at least give you a "structure" as to when SOME of the key moments took place.  IT IS A PROCESS....and it takes time.  it is also interesting...if you time on the weekend....to look through some of the video of Watergate.  Truly fascinating.  And it is fascinating to think that Nixon held out for as long as he could....LONG AFTER the evidence pointed directly to him.  He was using EVERY BIT OF LEGAL MANUVERING to "ride it out".  And only when the outcome of vote in the Senate was assured to go against him if it had taken place....did he resign instead.

So....buckle up.....stock up on popcorn....and watch the show for the next 12 - 18 months.  And read through the attached timeline to get an idea of some of the things that took place many decades ago.  Human psychology doesn't change.  Lying, cheating, greed, power-mongering, bullying, ego.....  You will continue to see many of the same sort of traits AND events that happened in Watergate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal

[TerryM]

In the meantime;


The FBI Admits it Was Not the Russians
And launch a Manhunt for the "Insider" who leaked CIA documents to Wikileaks


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-20/fbi-admits-it-was-not-russians-launches-manhunt-insider-who-leaked-cia-docs-wikileak


The very long list of private entities that the CIA shared it's files with might be a good place to begin the search.


Terry

[Buddy]

The FBI Admits it Was Not the Russians

Terry....it was not the Russians that did what?

[Jim Pettit]

In the meantime;


The FBI Admits it Was Not the Russians
And launch a Manhunt for the "Insider" who leaked CIA documents to Wikileaks


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-20/fbi-admits-it-was-not-russians-launches-manhunt-insider-who-leaked-cia-docs-wikileak


The very long list of private entities that the CIA shared it's files with might be a good place to begin the search.


Terry

YMMV, but I'm not so sure that an article appearing in a CT-laden, pro-Trump, pro-Putin blog that often wanders into straight Soviet-style agitprop is the most reliable place to read the truth about whether Russia meddled in the US election to help Trump.

Just saying...

[Buddy]

Terry....it was not the Russians that did what?

Terry....I'll answer the question myself.

The Russians....per the article....weren't the leakers of CIA documents to Wikileaks.  I guess my response is this:

I don't think anyone on this topic string...or elsewhere....EVER said the Russians leaked the CIA documents to Wikileaks.  So?  What was your point?  Was there a point?  Or were you just pointing out a single bit of information......in an ever larger sea of information over the coming months?

Just curious....

[TerryM]

In the meantime;


The FBI Admits it Was Not the Russians
And launch a Manhunt for the "Insider" who leaked CIA documents to Wikileaks


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-20/fbi-admits-it-was-not-russians-launches-manhunt-insider-who-leaked-cia-docs-wikileak


The very long list of private entities that the CIA shared it's files with might be a good place to begin the search.


Terry

YMMV, but I'm not so sure that an article appearing in a CT-laden, pro-Trump, pro-Putin blog that often wanders into straight Soviet-style agitprop is the most reliable place to read the truth about whether Russia meddled in the US election to help Trump.

Just saying...

My Bad
I certainly should have linked to the enclosed link from CBS News


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-fbi-on-manhunt-for-leaker-who-gave-top-secret-documents-to-wikileaks/


It will be hard to take this Anti-American, Pro-Putin rag seriously, but it's always a good idea to see what Fake News these Commie Agitators have dreamt up now.


Terry

[TerryM]

Terry....it was not the Russians that did what?

Terry....I'll answer the question myself.

The Russians....per the article....weren't the leakers of CIA documents to Wikileaks.  I guess my response is this:

I don't think anyone on this topic string...or elsewhere....EVER said the Russians leaked the CIA documents to Wikileaks.  So?  What was your point?  Was there a point?  Or were you just pointing out a single bit of information......in an ever larger sea of information over the coming months?

Just curious....

But But But


If the evil Ruskies didn't feed the data to Wikileaks, as I'd said was very unlikely many times.


Just how was that Fiendish Putin able to sway the votes of so many swing state voters?


He could have gone through their trash, deduced who would be swayed by news of pork belly futures, then inundated the prospective voter with Fake News about hog culls instigated by Hillary. He could have determined which rural voters had no access to the internet and printed a local newspaper filled with disinformation praising Trump. He might even have neutered potential Hillary supporters by telling them they had won a major prize, and would have to stay home all day on election day in order to collect their winnings.
So many ways he could have fixed the election.
Such a shame that he didn't.


Terry

[Buddy]

"One of the great things about science is that it is an entire EXERCISE IN FINDING WHAT IS TRUE."

Neil de Grasse Tyson....GREAT VIDEO posted on Climate Denial Crock of the Week...

https://climatecrocks.com/2017/04/20/neil-degrasse-tyson-finding-what-is-true/

The use in science of FINDING THE TRUTH....should be used on ALL ISSUES.  It is the reason that our legal system is such a mess.....and why our political system is such a mess....and why our economy is so "disjointed" and unfair.  WE DON'T LOOK FOR THE TRUTH.

It isn't that difficult in concept....the concept of FINDING THE TRUTH.  But in order to FIND THE TRUTH....WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE TRUTH.  And when we have people...especially people in government AND people in journalism (hello FOX News).....that AREN'T looking for the truth.....then we get into real problems.

Maybe Donnie should watch this video.  He might learn something about looking for the truth (OK....just kidding .

[Buddy]

But But But

If the evil Ruskies didn't feed the data to Wikileaks, as I'd said was very unlikely many times.

Just how was that Fiendish Putin able to sway the votes of so many swing state voters?

I can't believe I actually have to answer this for you:

1)  The Russian's didn't need to hack the data.  Wikileaks did that all by themselves....with help from someone on the inside.  All the Russian's needed to do....was use that data (where appropriate).  But the Russinas NEVER NEEDED THE WIKILEAKS DATA.  THEY COULD MAKE UP...AND DID MAKE UP ALL KINDS OF OTHER STORIES NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THE WIKILEAKS DATA.  They used the Wikleaks data BECAUSE THEY COULD, and it was a "bonus"....but they didn't need to.

Do I really need to explain that to you?  Do you REALLY not believe that the Russian hackers (not Wikileaks hackers) "made shit up" and spread it like wildfire.....IN ADDITION to taking the Wikileaks info and spreading that as well?

2)  That "fiendish Putin" didn't have to sway the votes of SO MANY SWING STATE VOTERS.  Unless you think that 110,000 voters TOTAL over four states is a lot to you.  It isn't to me....its a small bit.  And the Russian hackers PLUS the Comey announcement regarding Clinton WAS ENOUGH to push Donnie JUST BARELY over the top in those 4 states (and maybe in Florida as well).

Your position that the Russians DIDN'T try to effect the US elections IS NOW CAST IN STONE.  And my position.....that the Russians DID try to effect the us elections is also cast in stone.  Over the coming months.....we will find out which one is right....because they are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE outcomes.

You believe....as Donnie does....that the Russians didn't interfere. Either you and Donnie are right....or I am right.  Not both.....

I don't know why you....and others....keep going back to the election.  IT IS OVER.  So whether the Wikileaks information.....or the Russian hackers spreading false stories.....or the Comey announcements just days before the elections.........were individually responsible, or together responsible......or they wouldn't have made any difference at all (which I don't believe).......THOSE ARE ALL REALLY NONISSUES RIGHT NOW.

The only issue is finding out if Russia did or did not try to impact our elections...AND...were they working WITH anyone in the Trump campaign.

I don't know why that investigation is so hard for some of you to accept......

[Buddy]

More bad news for Donnie Boy:

"Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.

Speaking at the conference at Yale’s School of Medicine on Thursday, one of the mental health professionals, Dr John Gartner, a practising psychotherapist who advised psychiatric residents at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, said: “We have an ethical responsibility to warn the public about Donald Trump's dangerous mental illness.”

[TerryM]

Buddy


You argue that the election is over, and that it doesn't matter anyway.
Then, in your second last paragraph, you retract the very argument you had made.


The election is over, get over it.


Our side lost because they lost the trust of the very people they claimed to represent. Until they do something to regain that trust they will forever be the party that might have won.
Blaming Putin, Comey, or alligators eating large chunks of partisan data, wont solve anything. Calling those who voted for Trump "bigoted deplorables" will not win them back.


Fighting for worker's rights, trying to impose tight regulations on banksters, getting big money out of big government, all might win some trust, but it's damn hard to do when employers,banksters and those with deep pockets hold all your loans and pay for your campaigns.


My bet is that the Democratic Party will learn nothing from this debacle, that they will try the same tactics next cycle, but even harder, and that they will again lose to whatever clown the Republicans run against them.


That is the challenge that history will decide.


Terry