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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4900 on: September 02, 2018, 06:04:51 PM »
In the IBD/TIPP poll that came out yesterday .... there are three very troubling signs for Trump:

But somehow on the SAME POLL "direction of country" is the highest in the last decade and way above all other polls at 47% positive- either this poll is suspect on all angles or people are lying.


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« Reply #4901 on: September 04, 2018, 06:28:06 PM »
Many different (negative) revelations coming out Trump from Woodward's book, including those cited in the linked articles below:

Title: "Woodward: Kelly labeled Trump ‘unhinged’ and ‘idiot’"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404932-kelly-called-trump-unhinged-and-idiot-woodward-book

Extract: "White House chief of staff John Kelly called President Trump “unhinged” and “an idiot” in conversations with aides recounted in Bob Woodward's new book, which was obtained by The Washington Post on Tuesday.

Kelly reportedly lashed out at Trump and said during a small group meeting that it was “pointless” to advise Trump on anything.

“He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here,” Kelly said, Woodward writes."

See also:

Title: " Trump said condemning white supremacists was ‘biggest f---ing mistake I’ve made’: Woodward book"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404940-trump-said-condemning-white-supremacists-was-biggest-f-ing-mistake
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« Reply #4902 on: September 04, 2018, 07:09:08 PM »
Woodward’s book will put another knife into the soulless Trump.  Two months before the midterm elections, it will add to the angst by voters, and the growing reality that a sociopath does indeed occupy the White House..... and that sociopath needs to be removed.
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« Reply #4903 on: September 04, 2018, 07:24:54 PM »
Woodward’s book will put another knife into the soulless Trump.  Two months before the midterm elections, it will add to the angst by voters, and the growing reality that a sociopath does indeed occupy the White House..... and that sociopath needs to be removed.

This type of revelation would end any other presidency, but the GOP keeps defending Trump:

Title: "President Trump's Lawyer Calls Mock Interview Report 'Completely False'"

http://time.com/5386203/donald-trump-jay-sekulow-john-dowd-mock-interview/

Extract: "But Dowd warned Trump against testifying in unusually colorful language, telling him in late March, “Don’t testify. It’s either that or an orange jumpsuit,” according to the book.

When Trump replied that he would be a good witness, Dowd replied, “I’m afraid I just can’t help you,” and resigned the next day, the book says."
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« Reply #4904 on: September 04, 2018, 11:31:58 PM »
Who are you going to believe, Donald Trump or Bob Woodward?

Title: "Trump responds to Woodward"

https://www.axios.com/trump-responds-bob-woodward-book-fear-f5f9e37e-460e-4aa8-b8f7-ba59292707ab.html

Extract: "Why it matters: It's not normal for a president's team to fear he's a national security risk, as Bob Woodward's book claims — or to keep information from his desk and ignore his orders.

Among Woodward's reported revelations:

•   Gary Cohn and Rob Porter stole or hid documents from Trump's desk, including a draft letter that would have withdrawn the U.S. from a trade agreement with South Korea.

•   James Mattis ignored Trump's request to kill Bashar al-Assad in April of 2017.

•   John Dowd told Trump he'd be wearing an "orange jump suit" if he dared testify to Mueller. (Dowd told Axios he didn't call Trump a "fucking liar," as Woodward reported).

•   Trump called Jeff Sessions "mentally retarded" and "a dumb Southerner" who "couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama."

•   John Kelly called Trump "an idiot" who had "gone off the rails... This is the worst job I’ve ever had." (In a statement, Kelly denied calling Trump an idiot.)
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Be smart, via Swan: The White House's core problem is that Woodward is a serious reporter with decades of thorough reporting under his belt.

•   Unlike the very sloppy Michael Wolff, you can trust that Woodward has gone to inordinate lengths to get to the best obtainable version of the truth. It will be hard to credibly dismiss this as "fake news."

The bottom line: There's a reason the White House hasn't gone all in on Woodward. They can't."
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Re: The Trump Presidency (was "Presidential Poll")
« Reply #4905 on: September 05, 2018, 12:59:27 AM »
In the IBD/TIPP poll that came out yesterday .... there are three very troubling signs for Trump:

But somehow on the SAME POLL "direction of country" is the highest in the last decade and way above all other polls at 47% positive- either this poll is suspect on all angles or people are lying.
It's the economy, as always. And that boom is due to the Obama administration. (But I'm not sure if there are statistically significant non-clueless 'Merricans who get that.)

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« Reply #4906 on: September 05, 2018, 01:14:22 AM »
sentimental eulogies for warmongers who wanted Sarah Palin to become vice-president.
1) McCain was the last Republican with a spine. The Republican Party is now clinically dead. That might explain some of the excess eulogizing.

Quoth CNN:
2) McCain said in the months before his death that he regretted not picking then-Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman as his running mate in 2008.
3) Sarah Palin was not invited to John McCain's memorial services
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/palin-mccain-funeral/index.html


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« Reply #4907 on: September 05, 2018, 02:53:22 AM »
Jon Kyl


Once named the 4th most conservative US Senator, recently the man charged with shepherding Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh through his confirmation hearings, and now the newly appointed Senator from Arizona.


I don't think that the President will find much he doesn't approve of in Jon Kyl. His Wikipedia article makes him sound a little to the right of Attila the Hun, and just having him in the room should have the xenophobes frothing at the mouth as they howl for MOAR WALLS.


John McCain did make friends with "others", even though he seemed to preferred the company of those that ate their human hearts raw.


Perhaps Jon Kyl's appointment to McCain's vacant seat is an effort to resuscitate McCain's image? ;)

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« Reply #4908 on: September 05, 2018, 08:22:18 AM »
It's the economy, as always. And that boom is due to the Obama administration. (But I'm not sure if there are statistically significant non-clueless 'Merricans who get that.)

ROFL.

No Trump supporters believe that (and some dems) and he will get the credit for it and the elections will show it.

Every economist said the economy will tank if Trump wins. Can't have it both ways. Saying now that Trump at least didn't hurt Obama's economic legacy is both hilarious and disingenuous.


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« Reply #4909 on: September 05, 2018, 06:27:07 PM »
The US economy is on a sugar rush. How long it will last before the economy gets grumpy is anybody's guess. Sugar rushes don't last long. But I don't think Trump and the Republicans can do it again - the markets won't swallow yet another acceleration in the growth of the USA public sector debt. (We don't even know yet what problems financing this sugar rush is going to give the Fed - and when.)

But Trump and the Republicans should be able ride this horse for these mid-terms (but what a rider in charge). With the Democrats always ready to shoot themselves in the foot (or higher) we will continue to live in interesting times.
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« Reply #4910 on: September 05, 2018, 09:34:15 PM »
Ajit Pai, taking his cue from Trump, draws a bead on GooFaceTwit:

Carefully denies plans to classify them as utilities:

"And some critics of these companies have called for strict, utility-style regulation. To be clear, I don’t believe that is the right answer"

Calls for more transparency:

"And we need to seriously think about whether the time has come for these companies to abide by new transparency obligations."

The FCC's got clout. Warning to the information hegemony is clear: You guys got a nice operation running. You would hate if section 230 of CDA is rescinded. The one that grants you safe harbour provision against prosecution for user generated content on your platform ? So sad if that went away ...

https://medium.com/@AjitPaiFCC/what-i-hope-to-learn-from-the-tech-giants-6f35ce69dcd9

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« Reply #4911 on: September 05, 2018, 10:42:16 PM »
As bad as it seems on the outside .... it is actually worse than that on the inside at the White House.

It’s a process ..... and time is ticking.  And folks are getting nervous on the inside of the White House.  Who is going to quit next and spill the beans .... as a NON ANONYMOUS source, a very public, pleading source.

We’re heading in that direction.  Time is ticking Donnie ....
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« Reply #4912 on: September 06, 2018, 02:45:42 AM »
Deep state operative makes anonymous confession to sabotaging the president's agenda, confirms the deep state is the steady state of US government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45427838

Not a bad move, but not such a good move either. The object is to make Trump distrust everybody, but he does that anyway. And this strengthens his base, and their conviction that the deep state is out to get Trump. And not so effective, at least in the climate pact withdrawal case.

Lexical and semantic analysis will nail the confessor. He put too much analyzable text in that editorial. But in a larger frame, ongoing exposure of deep state operatives and their machinations is forcing them to riskier and riskier maneuvers, as Assange foresaw.

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« Reply #4913 on: September 06, 2018, 03:31:10 AM »
Deep state operative makes anonymous confession to sabotaging the president's agenda, confirms the deep state is the steady state of US government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45427838

Not a bad move, but not such a good move either. The object is to make Trump distrust everybody, but he does that anyway. And this strengthens his base, and their conviction that the deep state is out to get Trump. And not so effective, at least in the climate pact withdrawal case.

Lexical and semantic analysis will nail the confessor. He put too much analyzable text in that editorial. But in a larger frame, ongoing exposure of deep state operatives and their machinations is forcing them to riskier and riskier maneuvers, as Assange foresaw.

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Of course the individuals in this particular 'deep state' were all appointed by Trump.
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« Reply #4914 on: September 06, 2018, 06:03:41 AM »

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« Reply #4915 on: September 06, 2018, 08:01:06 AM »
Who ever the "traitor" is (if it's real) is going to be eviscerated from ALL sides once the name comes out. I can't see what logic a person would use to think this was a good idea.

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« Reply #4916 on: September 06, 2018, 12:56:18 PM »
As Donnie’s tenure continues to unwind, here are a couple things to note:

1). Donnie is becoming so weak, that he can’t fire Mattis, Sessions, or Kelly.  He is in this bad spot on Sessions, because Sessions and Papadpolous were in the same meeting when the idea of meeting Putin was put forward, and Donnie agreed to it.  He can’t fire Mattis because that would move likely move SOME in the Senate “over the line”, and he can’t fire Kelly because Kelly knows too much, and if he were fired he might go public.  He may EVENTUALLY, but that will likely be Donnie’s last act.

2). McConell’s part in all of this is going to be more nefarious than we think, and he is trying to protect himself as well as Trump.  When things don’t make sense, they don’t make sense for a reason.  There is something “off” with Lindsay Graham and his actions as well.
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« Reply #4917 on: September 06, 2018, 12:58:06 PM »
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In the hours after the New York Times published the anonymous Op-Ed from "a senior official in the Trump administration" trashing the president ("I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration"), two senior administration officials reached out to Axios to say the author stole the words right out of their mouths.

   "I find the reaction to the NYT op-ed fascinating — that people seem so shocked that there is a resistance from the inside," one senior official said. "A lot of us [were] wishing we’d been the writer, I suspect ... I hope he [Trump] knows — maybe he does? — that there are dozens and dozens of us."

https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-white-house-leaks-a5a82efa-d6c8-4209-b616-80f1422eb36c.html
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« Reply #4918 on: September 06, 2018, 01:05:16 PM »
Deep state operative makes anonymous confession to sabotaging the president's agenda, confirms the deep state is the steady state of US government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45427838

Not a bad move, but not such a good move either. The object is to make Trump distrust everybody, but he does that anyway. And this strengthens his base, and their conviction that the deep state is out to get Trump. And not so effective, at least in the climate pact withdrawal case.

Lexical and semantic analysis will nail the confessor. He put too much analyzable text in that editorial. But in a larger frame, ongoing exposure of deep state operatives and their machinations is forcing them to riskier and riskier maneuvers, as Assange foresaw.

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You are consuming way too much right-wingnut stuff, or have too many right-wingnut drinking buddies.

That "deep state" person is probably the vice president Pence himself: 1) Cui bono? 2) "Lodestar". -- Or maybe the author of the NYT op-ed inserted the Pencian wörd "lodestar" to cover his tracks.

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« Reply #4919 on: September 06, 2018, 01:19:58 PM »
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In the hours after the New York Times published the anonymous Op-Ed from "a senior official in the Trump administration" trashing the president ("I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration"), two senior administration officials reached out to Axios to say the author stole the words right out of their mouths.

   "I find the reaction to the NYT op-ed fascinating — that people seem so shocked that there is a resistance from the inside," one senior official said. "A lot of us [were] wishing we’d been the writer, I suspect ... I hope he [Trump] knows — maybe he does? — that there are dozens and dozens of us."


https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-white-house-leaks-a5a82efa-d6c8-4209-b616-80f1422eb36c.html

Funny, so two more anonymous sources corroborating the 1st anonymous source. This can't get anymore ridicules.

If I wouldn't know better-it looks more like a coordinated fake attack by the media again  :o

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« Reply #4920 on: September 06, 2018, 01:33:10 PM »
Don't forget that the GOP controls all branches of government, and everyone in government knows that Donald Trump is a loose cannon, and if the GOP congress does not do its job to check Trump, then the US voters will punish them come November 2018:

Title: "Exclusive: Trump's nightmare: "The snakes are everywhere""

https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-white-house-leaks-a5a82efa-d6c8-4209-b616-80f1422eb36c.html

Extract: "President Trump is not just seething about Bob Woodward. He’s deeply suspicious of much of the government he oversees — from the hordes of folks inside agencies, right up to some of the senior-most political appointees and even some handpicked aides inside his own White House, officials tell Axios."
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« Reply #4921 on: September 06, 2018, 02:59:13 PM »
Don't forget that the GOP controls all branches of government, and everyone in government knows that Donald Trump is a loose cannon, and if the GOP congress does not do its job to check Trump, then the US voters will punish them come November 2018:

Title: "Exclusive: Trump's nightmare: "The snakes are everywhere""

https://www.axios.com/trump-administration-white-house-leaks-a5a82efa-d6c8-4209-b616-80f1422eb36c.html

Extract: "President Trump is not just seething about Bob Woodward. He’s deeply suspicious of much of the government he oversees — from the hordes of folks inside agencies, right up to some of the senior-most political appointees and even some handpicked aides inside his own White House, officials tell Axios."
For every left wing publication article against Trump I could put up one with the opposite view. Was even considering opening a thread for it but..... I doubt anyone here would care (or worse).

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« Reply #4922 on: September 06, 2018, 03:01:18 PM »
That "deep state" person is probably the vice president Pence himself: 1) Cui bono? 2) "Lodestar". -- Or maybe the author of the NYT op-ed inserted the Pencian wörd "lodestar" to cover his tracks.

While I appreciate your insights, personally I doubt very much that Mike Pence wrote this op/ed; if for no other reason than writing this op/ed would threaten his chances of becoming president.
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« Reply #4923 on: September 06, 2018, 03:08:12 PM »
Apparently, Trump takes comfort in believing that at least Kim Jong Un still has faith in him:

Title: "Trump thanks North Korea's Kim for 'unwavering faith'"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/06/trump-thanks-north-korea-809124

Extract: "President Donald Trump on Thursday thanked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for his declaration of trust in his U.S. counterpart, vowing to continue cooperation on denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula.

“Kim Jong Un of North Korea proclaims ‘unwavering faith in President Trump.’ Thank you to Chairman Kim. We will get it done together,” the president wrote on Twitter."
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« Reply #4924 on: September 06, 2018, 03:17:58 PM »
Funny, so two more anonymous sources corroborating the 1st anonymous source. This can't get anymore ridicules.

If Trump refuses to act presidential, why would anyone to expect his appointees behave themselves.
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« Reply #4925 on: September 06, 2018, 03:26:04 PM »
Funny, so two more anonymous sources corroborating the 1st anonymous source. This can't get anymore ridicules.

If Trump refuses to act presidential, why would anyone to expect his appointees behave themselves.

Personally, I strongly suspect that this group of internal Trump appointee resistance fighters work in the DoD and see first hand that Trump is pushing to start a major war with Iran, and they are working internally to thwart such Stalinist type of behavior by Trump.
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« Reply #4926 on: September 06, 2018, 03:27:39 PM »
Funny, so two more anonymous sources corroborating the 1st anonymous source. This can't get anymore ridicules.

If Trump refuses to act presidential, why would anyone to expect his appointees behave themselves.

Simple. If you can't take the heat- get out of the kitchen. If these people even exist- they should all just come clean and pickup and leave.

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« Reply #4927 on: September 06, 2018, 03:40:07 PM »
Deep state operative makes anonymous confession to sabotaging the president's agenda, confirms the deep state is the steady state of US government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45427838

Not a bad move, but not such a good move either. The object is to make Trump distrust everybody, but he does that anyway. And this strengthens his base, and their conviction that the deep state is out to get Trump. And not so effective, at least in the climate pact withdrawal case.

Lexical and semantic analysis will nail the confessor. He put too much analyzable text in that editorial. But in a larger frame, ongoing exposure of deep state operatives and their machinations is forcing them to riskier and riskier maneuvers, as Assange foresaw.

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You are consuming way too much right-wingnut stuff, or have too many right-wingnut drinking buddies.

That "deep state" person is probably the vice president Pence himself: 1) Cui bono? 2) "Lodestar". -- Or maybe the author of the NYT op-ed inserted the Pencian wörd "lodestar" to cover his tracks.

Beyond this, any "Deep State" that is run by political appointees of the elected president is not a "deep state" at all.

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« Reply #4928 on: September 06, 2018, 03:47:33 PM »

Beyond this, any "Deep State" that is run by political appointees of the elected president is not a "deep state" at all.

That's a bit naive. Why couldn't an appointee be part of the deep state or under it's control?
Trump couldn't bring in all new people that never had any connection to previous admin's and MANY of them worked in or behind the scenes with many previous admin's.

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« Reply #4929 on: September 06, 2018, 05:45:07 PM »
You know, when Donnie ultimately gets around to firing someone, he has a great candidate for his administration out in California.  Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California, has been indicted on charges he misused over $250,000 of campaign funds for personal expenses, which included expenses for FIVE different affairs.  He would be perfect for Donald’s cabinet. 😱
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« Reply #4930 on: September 06, 2018, 06:27:00 PM »
That "deep state" person is probably the vice president Pence himself: 1) Cui bono? 2) "Lodestar". -- Or maybe the author of the NYT op-ed inserted the Pencian wörd "lodestar" to cover his tracks.

While I appreciate your insights, personally I doubt very much that Mike Pence wrote this op/ed; if for no other reason than writing this op/ed would threaten his chances of becoming president.

Well, Pence does have good reasons not to write such an op-ed.   But I'd suggest his only good chance to become President himself is to have Trump removed.

Pence is probably the *only* executive branch employee who Trump cannot fire.  Pence probably can't win a Presidential election on his own, he's probably unelectable.  If Trump is removed prior to end of term, Pence becomes President.  If he's in that position prior to the next election, it's more plausible that he would win the nomination and conceivably the election.


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« Reply #4931 on: September 06, 2018, 07:49:18 PM »
Jon Kyl has been appointed by the Governor of Arizona to fill out MCcain’s remaining two years in office.  However, it sounds as though he is likely only going to serve through the end of this year .... 4 months.  I expect that it is LIKELY that Cindy McCain will then be appointed to fill out the remaining time.  Karma is definitely a bitch Donnie ..... and you brought all of it on yourself.
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« Reply #4932 on: September 06, 2018, 08:16:46 PM »
On the NYT op-ed:

Juan Cole:

"The conclusion is that the more corrupt sections of the ruling US business classes are perfectly willing to use Trump to achieve their Libertarian paradise of no taxes on the rich and their praetorian paradise of a military potlatch."

Mehdi Hasan is more direct:

"Screw. You."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/trumps-enablers-looting.html

https://theintercept.com/2018/09/06/dear-anonymous-trump-official-there-is-no-redemption-in-your-cowardly-op-ed/

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« Reply #4933 on: September 06, 2018, 09:29:36 PM »
Kruse on Trump at politico:

" a crisis is something he actually enjoys."

Trump: "I was doing what I love to do most—battle back from the brink."

Stone on Trump: "“Makes Nixon look like a cream puff.” Nixon? “Nixon was smarter,” Stone responded, “but Trump is tougher.” "

Tim O'Brien, biographer: "  “being a survivor” was “not just one of his strengths” but “a core and overriding strength.” "

O"Donnell, former Trump executive: "He is probably the ultimate survivor ...  In the process of becoming the president, he made mistakes that no other politician would have survived"

Gwenda Blair, biographer: " “He has been shrewd for decades at figuring out how to make his preservation in the interest of whoever might be standing in his way,” "

Trump: " “Toughness,” he declares, “in the long run, is a major secret of my survival.” "

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/05/donald-trump-nixon-presidency-219639

There is something Kruse misses, tho he comes close to it in this para:

"  “The banks,” in the words of a former Trump employee I talked to on Wednesday, “were his adversaries and his allies.” They didn’t want to snuff him out—they wanted him to survive. Other foes were the same way. Ivana Trump was his adversary—but a broke, ruined Trump was no good for her, either. New York’s then-mayor, Ed Koch, loathed him and constantly butted heads with him—but in the end, more or less, wanted Trump to keep building and being a character in his pro-business city. And the legion of his celebrity squabbles? Mostly mutually beneficial. “He has been shrewd for decades at figuring out how to make his preservation in the interest of whoever might be standing in his way,” said biographer Gwenda Blair. "

But Kruse does not see that Trump, today, needs his enemies. They strengthen his base. And his enemies do not yet see how much their opposition empowers him.
 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/05/donald-trump-nixon-presidency-219639

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« Reply #4934 on: September 07, 2018, 12:27:57 AM »
Johnstone seems to think that Trump is behind the NYT oped.

" Would a billionaire WWE Hall of Famer and United States President understand the theater of staged conflict for the advancement of plutocratic interests, and willingly participate in it? I’m going to say probably.

But she misses a more prosaic and baser motive: The guy might already have signed a book deal. (Although, to be fair, Trump has probably already signed multiple book deals, and given his past record, has used the putative income as collateral for shady loans ... )

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/we-are-being-played-efd6516f82a3"

Meanwhile, as usual, someone's making book:

"Coats, the director of national intelligence, was seen as having an 18 percent chance of being the writer who said senior officials are part of a “quiet resistance” in the administration, according to PredictIt.org, an online market for betting on political events. "

“This will be one of the all time great markets,” wrote trader Dennis Cao ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-gambling/online-mole-hunt-gamblers-bet-on-author-of-ny-times-resistance-op-ed-idUSKCN1LM2KP

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« Reply #4935 on: September 07, 2018, 02:15:39 AM »
Drezner has some zingers at WaPo:

"Indeed, I am writing this because nothing is more democratic than ignoring what our elected commander in chief wants and then telling you coastal elite readers that we are doing it. "

"This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the anonymous-but-very-noble state."

"The bigger concern is not what Trump has done to the presidency but rather what sinecure I will find once his administration ends. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/09/06/i-too-am-part-resistance-inside-trump-administration/

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« Reply #4936 on: September 07, 2018, 10:49:04 AM »
Several linguistic clues point to Pence being the author of the op-ed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45435813

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« Reply #4937 on: September 07, 2018, 10:56:52 AM »
Moore points out that Obama paved the way to Trump.

“The worst thing that President Obama did was pave the way for President Trump ... ”

Then he points out some uncomfortable truths:

" The left-leaning media, including The Post, do not escape criticism either, particularly via a Sanders interview in which he says large news organizations are interested mainly in furthering wealthy interests. "

" [Trump]’s telling lies and he’s telling the truth at the same time. You look at the goals of....what he wanted to accomplish ... You have to act like he’s going to be re-elected in 2020, because there’s an excellent chance he will be. "

" "No. I'm against hope," called back Moore. "Hope was back then with Obama. I'm for a generation of action." "

That hope and change message palled quick. Moore saw Trump coming before the election. No on listened to him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either

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« Reply #4938 on: September 08, 2018, 02:10:49 AM »
If I were forced to venture a thought as to who wrote the anonymous NY Times op ed .... it would be James Mattis.

Why?  Here are the questions I ask myself:

1). Who is the most stable person in his administration?
2). Who has the most important position in an administration that is highly unstable?
3). Who would feel like they CAN’T leave the administration, because he (Mattis) has likely already prevented the US from starting a couple wars?  In other words, who is the one person who has the best reason for doing the op ed ANONYMOUSLY?

For me ..... all roads lead to General Mattis.
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« Reply #4939 on: September 08, 2018, 05:50:49 AM »
I'm leaning towards Mattis or Kelly. Coates on the outside.

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« Reply #4940 on: September 08, 2018, 08:35:10 AM »
The anonymous op-ed writer is anonymous because ....he did not want to lose his job ?
That seems a very strange reason.
Why not just quit your job, come clean, write a book or something and cash in that way.

Also, this op-ed seems to just point out that everyone is against Trump, even his own aides.
Fuel to the fire of his base.

Finally, after Woodward's book, Trump needed some drama to show everyone is against him. That he is the victim.

So I agree with Moore.
I think this was an inside job : Trump asked one of his aides to write it and leak it to the NYT.
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« Reply #4941 on: September 08, 2018, 08:51:14 PM »

So I agree with Moore.
I think this was an inside job : Trump asked one of his aides to write it and leak it to the NYT.

That interpretation doesn't make sense to me, for several reasons.  First, Trump isn't a strategic thinker.  Second, he demands ridiculous praise from those around him, and attacks criticism with vitriol.  He'd never authorize such an unflattering portrayal, he's far too thin-skinned.

Reports indicate that his reaction to the op-ed was "volcanic."  That's how he responds to threats and betrayals, not how he responds to a clever ploy working.

Finally, I don't see how the op-ed strengthens his hand in any way.  His base thinks he's a savvy businessman, but the op-ed shows him to have the attention span of a gnat--forgetting policy decisions because the paper has disappeared from his disk.  If he can't even hire loyal staff, nobody will have a good view of his decision-making.

The author likely had one of two motivations, patriotism--to unseat a very dangerous President for the good of the country.   Or self-interest.

If patriotism, Coates, Kelly, Mattis, or other possibilities.  But I don't think an anonymous op-ed is the approach a genuine patriot would take.

If self-interest, Pence would be the author, I can't see that anyone else has anything personally to gain.  Pence gets to be President when Trump is removed.


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« Reply #4942 on: September 08, 2018, 09:49:05 PM »
That interpretation doesn't make sense to me, for several reasons.  First, Trump isn't a strategic thinker.  Second, he demands ridiculous praise from those around him, and attacks criticism with vitriol.  He'd never authorize such an unflattering portrayal, he's far too thin-skinned.

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« Reply #4943 on: September 09, 2018, 12:21:31 AM »
A brief summary of some of the ways that Trump has contributed to the 'swamp':

Title: "Conflicts and Investigations in Trump’s Troubled Administration"

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-administration-conflicts/?srnd=premium

Extract: "Donald Trump promised to drain the Washington swamp. Instead, he has surrounded himself with family members, appointees and advisers who’ve been accused of conflicts of interest, misuse of public funds, influence peddling, self-enrichment, working for foreign governments, failure to disclose information  and violating ethics rules . Some are under investigation or facing lawsuits, others have resigned and five have either been convicted or pleaded guilty, including three for lying to government officials. Scandals plague all administrations, but Trump’s isn’t two years old and the allegations keep on coming."
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« Reply #4944 on: September 09, 2018, 04:02:06 AM »
I am concerned that the more desperate the Trump administration becomes, the more likely they are to use conflict in Syria as a stepping stone to a major conflict with Iran:

Title: "U.S. military warned by Russia about possible attack in Syria"

https://www.axios.com/us-military-warned-by-russia-possible-attack-b285b7d7-9d1f-41b6-b506-0cfa65edacd0.html

Extract: "The U.S. military has been warned twice in the last week by Russia that its forces and Syrian regime units are ready to strike an area populated by "dozens of U.S. troops," CNN's Barbara Starr reports citing several U.S. defense officials.

Why it matters: Russia, Iraq and the U.S. are fighting for dominance in the area. Russia alleges that U.S. troops are protecting militants in a strategic location along the borders of Syria, Jordan and Iraq. According to CNN, "Moscow's declaration has sharply raised U.S. commanders' concerns that American forces would be at risk if a Russian attack goes forward.""
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« Reply #4945 on: September 09, 2018, 04:40:32 AM »
In my opinion, there is no greater gift that Trump could give to Putin than the disfunctional chaos that Trump is sowing in the USA:

Title: "GOP congressional leaders to meet with Trump on Wednesday"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/04/trump-wednesday-gop-congressional-leaders-806453

Extract: "Congressional GOP leaders will meet with President Donald Trump Wednesday afternoon, the latest in an ongoing lobbying effort to convince the president not to shutter the government before Election Day, according to multiple sources.

Speaker Paul Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn and House Majority Whip Steve Scalise will head to the White House to brief the president on the GOP spending strategy.


The federal government’s fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, just a few weeks before the critical midterm elections. But Trump has threatened to veto any spending measures that don’t include $5 billion for his border wall with Mexico.

There are some factions in the White House, however, that believe the House is already lost and that the president should fight on for his own priorities while he still can."
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« Reply #4946 on: September 09, 2018, 08:15:38 AM »
In my opinion, there is no greater gift that Trump could give to Putin than the disfunctional chaos that Trump is sowing in the USA:


Hilarious. Trump "sowing dysfunctional chaos. Again I say Hilarious.

The "Chaos" is because certain people would not not accept a legitimate election.
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« Reply #4947 on: September 09, 2018, 09:05:27 AM »
That interpretation doesn't make sense to me, for several reasons.  First, Trump isn't a strategic thinker.  Second, he demands ridiculous praise from those around him, and attacks criticism with vitriol.  He'd never authorize such an unflattering portrayal, he's far too thin-skinned.

You are assuming a lot. Remember, assumption is the mother of all you-know-what.

Neven, Steve has a point when he criticizes my opinion.
Also, I made a lot of assumptions myself for my opinion that the op-ed was an inside job directed by Trump himself.

Bottom line : We don't know who wrote the op-ed or why.
We may find out at some point, but right now there is simply not enough evidence either way.

That said, the argument that this author went "anonymous" because he "did not want to loose his job" is still suspicious. It rules out many low-level aids (who could have written a book instead) in my opinion.
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« Reply #4948 on: September 10, 2018, 12:38:52 AM »
It will be interesting to learn the findings of Garland's probe into perjury allegations against Kavanaugh:

Title: "Merrick Garland asked to probe perjury allegations against Brett Kavanaugh"

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/09/merrick-garland-asked-to-probe-perjury-allegations-against-brett-kavanaugh/

Extract: "Merrick Garland may play a role in the vacant Supreme Court seat after all. A liberal group has filed a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh for allegedly perjuring himself in front of the Senate judiciary committee. Garland, who is the chief judge of the D.C. federal circuit, was asked to rule upon the complaint or appoint a special panel of jurists to investigate the allegations.

The Democratic Coalition, a group led by Jon Cooper and Scott Dworkin, claim that Kavanaugh lied under oath before the Senate back in 2004 and 2006 when he said he was unaware he read and used stolen emails in 2002. Kavanaugh was going through the hearing process in those years to become a federal district and appellate judge, respectively."
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« Reply #4949 on: September 10, 2018, 06:37:28 PM »
Bottom line : We don't know who wrote the op-ed or why.
We may find out at some point, but right now there is simply not enough evidence either way.

That said, the argument that this author went "anonymous" because he "did not want to loose his job" is still suspicious. It rules out many low-level aids (who could have written a book instead) in my opinion.

Of course it is possible that "anonymous" is a woman, and it is also possible that the op/ed. was written by several people (from the Trump administration 'resistance') and just delivered to the NYT by one individual.
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