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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5900 on: February 07, 2020, 08:34:57 PM »
Boy I wish I spoke Russian.  You don’t need to for much of it, you KNOW the general idea.



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« Reply #5901 on: February 08, 2020, 12:46:36 PM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5902 on: February 09, 2020, 08:42:28 AM »
America's fatal flaw: The founders assumed our leaders would have some basic decency. Our democracy was founded on optimism about human nature. Amid the Trumpian wreckage, that looks like a bad bet

Link >> https://www.salon.com/2020/02/08/americas-fatal-flaw-the-founders-assumed-our-leaders-would-have-some-basic-decency/

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« Reply #5903 on: February 09, 2020, 02:31:31 PM »
It’s fascinating to watch SO many people lie in government.  And now, Trump brings an “over the top” element .... where the lies can be as big as you want them.  Quite Orwellian.

And just to make sure people buy the lies .... you have a media company that is more than happy to repeat them 24 x 7 x 365.  That segment of the population has been brainwashed over the past 30+ years. 

And politicians KNOW they are brainwashed ... and will believe and repeat anything they say.  Again, quite Orwellian.

Without FACTS ... any society is doomed.  The founding fathers never imagined this many corrupt, unethical people in a house of Congress .... unwilling to do the right thing.
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« Reply #5904 on: February 09, 2020, 02:43:05 PM »
... unwilling to do the right thing.

Buddy, you don't understand. They are doing the right thing. In the capitalist framework without checks and balances, that's what people are supposed to do: Earning shittons of money no matter how.

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« Reply #5905 on: February 09, 2020, 02:59:29 PM »
No.  That was NOT the original thought of the founders of the Constitution. 

It is the thought of the current “lobbyist party” (Republican Party), which has transformed over the past 40 years or so.

I guess we just have to be grateful that Hillary didn’t win. 😉😉
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« Reply #5906 on: February 09, 2020, 03:58:09 PM »
I guess we just have to be grateful that Hillary didn’t win. 😉😉

Absolutely, because after her the US would be in a much worse state than it is in now. Now, there is a chance of a progressive wave that may actually achieve something for the American population at large (and not just Hollary's donors). So, get behind Sanders and stop whining about your war-mongering sociopath.

I don't understand why you have returned anyhow, after making such a fool of yourself wrt Russiagate and the Mueller Report and all that stupid, destructive nonsense. Get behind Sanders 100% or get out.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5907 on: February 09, 2020, 04:08:38 PM »
Only if Ruth Bader Ginsburg doesn't die - or any other SCJ for that matter. Because if so, Trump manages to appoint another ultra right-winger to the bench and you can forget any progress for the next 40 years.

Buddy, sorry if i offended you. That wasn't my intent. This was my weird way of underlining what you said.

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« Reply #5908 on: February 09, 2020, 04:52:47 PM »
Blumenkraft:

You didn’t offend me at all.  Your original statement started with “The founders assumed ...”.

I was pointing out that it is NOT “the founders” who created the “warped capitalism” that we have in the US right now.  THAT was created over the past 40 years (or more) by a slow and deliberate “buying off” of the Republican Party.

It is my belief, that the founders would be “rolling in their graves right now”.  The founders could never in their wildest dreams have imagined the current moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party.



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« Reply #5909 on: February 09, 2020, 05:10:48 PM »
Neven:

This is YOUR website.  At any time, you have the authority to remove me from it.  And you can make up any excuse you like.  I didn’t realize this was a Bernie Sanders campaign site for Bernie people only

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5910 on: February 11, 2020, 01:34:40 PM »
Hahahahahahahaha, look how tough Taliban Trump is.  ;D ;D ;D

Trump tweeted a clip from 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' that shows Larry David in a MAGA hat, seemingly not realizing it's an insult

Link >> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-make-america-great-again-curb-your-enthusiasm-2020-2

Good show BTW.

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« Reply #5911 on: February 24, 2020, 08:17:19 AM »
Trump tweets:

"Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!"

Trump knows what he wants: an election that sells. Recall, he is a wrestling promoter. He knows that audience. He knows that they want a battle between two populists. He knows that will sell more tickets, grab more eyeballs than him beating on a dishrag like Biden. He wants Bernie, that opponent will grab more audience share than any of the others. Bernie wants turnout to go up, and so does Trump.

Crazy like a fox.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5912 on: February 26, 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
Hayes On Whether The American Media Is About To Repeat The Same Mistakes Of 2016


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« Reply #5913 on: February 27, 2020, 08:43:54 PM »

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@realDonaldTrump

Obama just appointed an Ebola Czar
with zero experience in the medical
area and zero experience in infectious
disease control. A TOTAL JOKE!

6:20 PM • 10/17/14 • Twitter for Android


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5914 on: March 06, 2020, 08:16:09 PM »
Trump Now Has The 8 Largest Daily Dow Drops By Points In US History


Link >> https://www.politicususa.com/2020/02/28/trump-daily-dow-drops.html

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« Reply #5915 on: March 09, 2020, 06:27:27 PM »
Blumenkraft elsewhere:
"Trump killing old people by disinforming them is, therefore, a great gift to the CEOs of insurance companies.

See how it all makes sense?"

Yes, Drumpf is something like 10-11 years old so he gets the benefits or something

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« Reply #5916 on: March 09, 2020, 06:33:03 PM »
Haha, you think he thinks so far? That's hilarious, Pmt. ;)

And also, don't forget his hubris.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5917 on: March 13, 2020, 07:01:52 PM »
I never ever visited this thread before (I think), and haven't read anything, but I've been thinking that if both Pres. Trump and VP Pence get seriously ill from Covid-19 (or worse) [their likely having been in the presence of a carrier last month at CPAC], would we have Acting President Pelosi?

An internet search says "Yes", unless the Supreme Court determines that the Emoluments Clause does not pertain to the President. 

How convoluted things could become!   :-\
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5918 on: March 13, 2020, 07:05:37 PM »
Bring it on i say!

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5919 on: April 06, 2020, 05:38:02 PM »
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White House Alters Records

The White House has repeatedly altered official transcripts, 1984-style, to make Trump look better:

WH edits out Trump's despicable statement where he says he believes Putin's denial that he meddled in the election, despite what our own agencies concluded http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-white-house-edits-putin-support-for-trump-out-of-transcript-1284716611545?v=railb&

WH edits transcript of DACA negotiations with Democrats to remove the part where Trump agrees to a clean bill that only restores DACA (which is what the dems wanted). He later walked this back and changed his mind (although he just denied he said it at all), deciding to withhold this popular move as leverage: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/white-house-edits-transcript-from-immigration-meeting-to-omit-trump-agreeing-with-sen-feinstein/

WH alters transcript to make Trump seem better at golf: https://deadspin.com/white-house-alters-transcript-to-clarify-that-the-presi-1797305596

WH edits transcript of Jared Kushner calling protestors in Gaza ‘part of the problem’: https://www.alternet.org/white-house-edits-transcript-jared-kushner-calling-protestors-gaza-part-problem

WH shares doctored video to make it seem like Acosta hit a staffer, to justify revoking his press pass: https://www.apnews.com/c575bd1cc3b1456cb3057ef670c7fe2a

Trump tweets doctored video that makes Pelosi sound drunk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1213677001

Trump altered an official National Weather Service hurricane projection map (which is a crime) with a sharpie to make it look like it supported his erroneous claim that Dorian would hit Alabama: https://time.com/5669115/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie/

WH edits Zelensky call memo to omit key damning words and phrases, including references by Zelensky to Burisma that show his prior knowledge of the WH pressure for the investigation, and references by Trump to recordings of Joe Biden: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/us/politics/alexander-vindman-trump-ukraine.html

WH publishes false summary of April 2019 call between Trump and Zelensky, claiming that Trump committed to working to help Ukraine with reforms and corruption battle when nothing of the sort was in the transcript released 11/15/19: https://www.thedailybeast.com/transcript-shows-wh-made-up-details-of-trumps-zelensky-call?ref=wrap

Trump tweets doctored video that was edited to make it appear that Pelosi tore up a copy of his SOTU speech right when he was praising Tuskegee Airmen, when she actually tore it up after his speech ended: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/facebook-twitter-refuse-delete-video-trump-pelosi-ripping-speech.html?via=recirc_recent

The Strategic National Stockpile website changed its description after Kushner said stockpiles are not for states: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jared-kushner-stockpile_n_5e86dca8c5b6a949183425ca

Original: “When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency. Organized for scalable response to a variety of public health threats, this repository contains enough supplies to respond to multiple large-scale emergencies simultaneously." https://web.archive.org/web/20200401024027/https://www.phe.gov/about/sns/Pages/default.aspx

Altered version after Kushner said stockpiles are not for states: "The Strategic National Stockpile's role is to supplement state and local supplies during public health emergencies. Many states have products stockpiled, as well. The supplies, medicines, and devices for life-saving care contained in the stockpile can be used as a short-term stopgap buffer when the immediate supply of adequate amounts of these materials may not be immediately available." https://www.phe.gov/about/sns/Pages/default.aspx

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The most disturbing part of this whole saga to me, is that Orwell was wrong. In his vision, records needed to be altered for the deception to work. Winston's job was to make it impossible to prove that any falsification had taken place.
Our dystopia is actually worse: people believe the lies today, even when proof of the lie or falsification still exists. We don't need a Winston Smith for most of this shit, because they'll just believe whatever they're told, even when presented with video evidence proving otherwise.
The Party's philosophy was that you had to change the past to control it. Trump skips that step and just lies about the past, and somehow it still works.
There's just so much bullshit out there and so much horrible stuff that's true, that it becomes a full time job just to even learn about it all as it's happening. It's too much, so people just give up and go about their day, then view any accusations with skepticism.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Keep_Track/comments/fvoryl/the_white_house_alters_official_records_a_list/

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #5920 on: April 09, 2020, 12:03:20 AM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― anonymous

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« Reply #5921 on: April 14, 2020, 05:03:09 PM »

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« Reply #5922 on: April 17, 2020, 11:50:44 AM »
Does anyone have any doubt that Trump wants to reopen the economy because of the fact that his own businesses are going down the drain? Hotels, restaurants, golf courses... It's all closed... And so how is Trump going to pay for all his debt now?

Whoever thought that someone who managed to bankrupt a casino would be the right person to "Make America Great Again", must have been seriously mentally challenged...
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« Reply #5923 on: April 17, 2020, 11:56:37 PM »

Yesterday it was broadcast that at 6:00 PM Trump would be on TV in a Big Broadcast announcing Important Information about the CV-19 lockdown.Then at 6:00 he delivered very little of substance. (The governors will decide when to open their states.)


At 5:45 both the leftist Prime Minister of Canada & the Right Wing Premier of Ontario announced that this was not the right time to open the border with the US. They stayed on topic for quite a while. Long enough to assure viewers that Americans would not be welcome in our lands.


A few days earlier both Federal and Provincial leadership had made it clear that they were very unhappy with Trump's handling of the 3M masks that were destined for our hospitals, then delivered to the public in Ohio.
I'm convinced that Trump had intended to announce that the Canadian border was to be opened (he's the one that unilaterally closed it), but that when the Canadian side was informed they not only rejected the proposal, but got on National TV and argued forcefully against open borders just minutes before Trump could drop his bombshell.


America would easily have prevailed just a month ago. America's soft power doesn't have much pervasive power left.


I hope that they don't resort to flashing their Iron Fist.
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« Reply #5925 on: April 21, 2020, 05:17:14 AM »
Probably hasn't given too much thought to the impact on agriculture ...

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Trump Claims He Will Temporarily Suspend Immigration Into US Due to Coronavirus Fears
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/20/politics/donald-trump-immigration-halt-coronavirus/index.html

President Donald Trump said late Monday night he will sign an executive order temporarily suspending immigration to the United States as the nation battles the health and economic effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

"In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!" he tweeted.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252418369170501639

It's unclear what mechanism he will use to suspend immigration, how long such a suspension could last or what effect this will have on the operation of US border crossings and on those who already hold green cards.

The White House declined to provide further information on the executive order Monday evening.

The tweet also comes hours after Trump directed Admiral Brett Giroir, the assistant Health and Human Services secretary for health, to provide an update on border wall construction after he briefed reporters on coronavirus testing.
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« Reply #5926 on: April 22, 2020, 08:26:19 PM »

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« Reply #5927 on: April 22, 2020, 10:59:19 PM »
Congressional Research Service Report: Postponing Federal Elections and the COVID-19 Pandemic: Legal Considerations
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/LSB10425.pdf

“This Sidebar reviews the legal provisions that would constrain any efforts to delay or cancel federal elections during a public health crisis or other national emergency. The first part reviews laws pertaining to presidential elections, and the second part reviews laws relevant to congressional elections.”

... the Constitution does not require a general election for President. ...

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Elections?! We don't need no stinkin' elections!!

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Trump Instructs U.S. Navy To Fire On Iranian Boats If Harassed
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/22/840955446/trump-instructs-u-s-navy-to-fire-on-iranian-boats-if-harassed

President Trump says the U.S. Navy should fire on Iranian boats if they continue to harass U.S. warships in the Gulf, a move that raises the prospect of open hostilities between the two rivals.

The president's Wednesday morning tweet came shortly after Iran announced it had successfully launched a military satellite into orbit for the first time.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252932181447630848

These kinds of standoffs in the Gulf have been taking place for many years. The U.S. and Iran usually observe unwritten rules and the confrontations rarely escalate into actual hostilities, with occasional exceptions.

However, Trump's instruction for the Navy to shoot Iranian boats raises the ante.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33109/trump-orders-navy-to-destroy-iranian-boats-that-harass-its-ships

It's not clear whether destroying foreign vessels in the absence of a physical attack or a formal declaration of hostilities would necessarily be legal under international law.

It's, also, not entirely clear what prompted the President to declare this newly aggressive stance now, days after the most recent incident. However, the topic of Iranian naval harassment did come up on Fox News' "Fox & Friends" hours before, as an aside to Iran's space launch. Trump has said in the past that he is an avid watcher of this television program.

...

Update: 18 hrs later: In response to questions about his Tweet, President Donald Trump has now said that he has not directed any changes to the existing rules of engagement for U.S. Navy ships operating in the Middle East. "We're covered 100 percent" already, he added.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1253103929912709123

https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1253103808382742534

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... what a great idea it was to put a racist, narcissistic, sociopathic, meglomaniac game show host with signs of Alzheimer's in charge of keeping us safe
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« Reply #5928 on: April 25, 2020, 05:09:43 AM »
Funniest Parody Yet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1253474772702429189

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Revealed: Leader of Group Peddling Bleach as Coronavirus 'Cure' Wrote to Trump This Week
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

He went on to say: “Is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

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Many have analyzed the way in which Trump uses simple, accessible language in his speeches – around the level of what an eight-year-old could understand. Some are now suggesting his own processing capabilities might be in line with that.

... Trump absorbs/processes info on a 3rd grade level.
Doctors talk about the impact of disinfectant & UV rays on the virus on surfaces/outside the body. Trump’s inability to intelligently process info leads him to suggest putting dsinfectants & sunlight INSIDE the body.

https://mobile.twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1253667373611134976

... and he magnifies the embarrassment by acting as though he's having brilliant strokes of genius. ...

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Donald Trump supporters are struggling right now. They are having to simultaneously think Coronavirus is just the flu while also thinking it is a Chinese bio weapon designed to turn them communist all while standing in their kitchens injecting disinfectant into themselves. Hard.

Don't forget trying to poke a lit UV tube into one of their body's openings.

https://mobile.twitter.com/matthaig1/status/1253620582291247106

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Political pundits likened the speech to something that you might find on a satirical news website such as the Onion. The only thing more satirical, surely, is that this is real life.

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Speaking of the Onion ...

Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure
https://local.theonion.com/man-just-buying-one-of-every-cleaning-product-in-case-t-1842493766

EVANSTON, WY—Throwing bottles of bleach, ammonia, and Drano into a cart at his local grocery store, area man Troy Mitchell was reportedly stocking up on one of every cleaning product he could find Wednesday in case President Donald Trump announces it is a coronavirus cure. “I got toilet bowl cleaner, carpet cleaner, Swiffer WetJet refills—you name it—just so me and my family will be ready if the president announces one of these things can treat Chinese virus,” said Mitchell, indiscriminately throwing containers of laundry detergent, Scrubbing Bubbles, grout whitener, steel wool, Febreze, Tilex mold and mildew remover, and laptop screen wipes into the cart, the contents of which rang up to $2,513.67 at checkout. “I’m not getting caught without some oven degreaser should Trump say it’s going to save us, so I better go ahead and grab me a bottle. After this, I’m hitting the hardware store to pick up a 5-gallon bucket of roof sealant to make sure I’m prepared in the event that turns out to be what gets rid of the Wuhan. Could just be 10 or 20 squirts of Windex into each nostril. You never know what might work in a pinch!” At press time, neighbors confirmed Mitchell had been found unresponsive on the floor of his bathroom with several empty aerosol cans of Rust-Oleum wax-and-tar-removing solvent by his head.

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« Reply #5929 on: April 25, 2020, 09:44:52 PM »

Enjoy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Clever people can be convinced while the stupid would have to be persuaded which i doubt is appropriate and/or worth the effort.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkU1ob_lHCw&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #5930 on: April 30, 2020, 11:26:02 AM »


Nanning, this ^ is a meme.

meme, /miːm/, noun, plural: memes

1. an element of a culture or system of behavior passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.

2. an image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by Internet users, often with slight variations.

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« Reply #5931 on: May 08, 2020, 11:39:55 AM »
The enemy is within
Don't confuse me with him

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« Reply #5933 on: May 23, 2020, 08:35:22 AM »
Moyn at nybooks: mebbe not hitler

"America’s Resistance after the election of Donald Trump turned to analogy to abnormalize him: the US teetered on the edge of fascism, and with a Hitler on the make now at the helm."

"It is surely fodder for some future ironist that, after our era of fearing Trump’s actions, he appears set in the current pandemic to go down in history for a worse sin of inaction. For all his abuses of the powers accorded the presidency in the prior generation, his failure to deploy them now seems more glaring. "

"No analogy to Hitler or fascism is needed"

"What matters in responsible comparison are the reasons why you want to stress one or another similarity—and whether you take seriously major differences. Without acknowledging differences, comparison is partisanship, and not always in a good cause."

"Abnormalizing Trump disguises that he is quintessentially American, the expression of enduring and indigenous syndromes. A response to what he represents hardly requires a restoration of “normalcy” but a questioning of the status quo ante Trump that produced him ... Selective outrage after 2016 says more about the outraged than the outrageous."

" the ghosts of the past are allowed to walk again in a landscape that has changed profoundly. Comparison is always a risky tool; it leads to blindness, not just insight."

"if you say the world is about to end, either it will grimly confirm your prophecies or you will say your warning saved it."

"Trump will never die for our sins."

"If, as seems likeliest, Joe Biden wins the presidency, Trump will come to be treated as an aberration whose rise and fall says nothing about America ... Those who warned against the coming of fascism will congratulate themselves for saving the home of the free and redeeming the land of the brave, which somehow lurched towards the brink. They will cordon off the interlude, as if it was “an accident in the factory,” as Germans after World War II described their twelve-year mistake. Far from recognizing Trump as not just the product of and verdict on what came before, they will see his passing as the confirmation of the need to restore it ... Most will consider the danger past. This is, after all, America."

"a melodramatic righteousness, and luxuriating in our fears, all while preparing a terrifyingly normal future."

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/05/19/the-trouble-with-comparisons/

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« Reply #5934 on: May 28, 2020, 04:55:56 PM »
This is what fascism looks like:

Trump to sign executive order limiting social media fact-checks of his content

Link >> https://old.reddit.com/r/Keep_Track/comments/grxxaj/trump_to_sign_executive_order_limiting_social/

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« Reply #5935 on: May 29, 2020, 06:42:47 AM »
Well, well, well:

"In particular, subparagraph (c)(2) expressly addresses protections from “civil liability” and specifies that an interactive computer service provider may not be made liable “on account of” its decision in “good faith” to restrict access to content that it considers to be “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise objectionable.”  It is the policy of the United States to ensure that, to the maximum extent permissible under the law, this provision is not distorted to provide liability protection for online platforms that — far from acting in “good faith” to remove objectionable content — instead engage in deceptive or pretextual actions (often contrary to their stated terms of service) to stifle viewpoints with which they disagree.  Section 230 was not intended to allow a handful of companies to grow into titans controlling vital avenues for our national discourse under the guise of promoting open forums for debate, and then to provide those behemoths blanket immunity when they use their power to censor content and silence viewpoints that they dislike.  When an interactive computer service provider removes or restricts access to content and its actions do not meet the criteria of subparagraph (c)(2)(A), it is engaged in editorial conduct.  It is the policy of the United States that such a provider should properly lose the limited liability shield of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) and be exposed to liability like any traditional editor and publisher that is not an online provider."

" requesting that the FCC expeditiously propose regulations to clarify:

(i) the interaction between subparagraphs (c)(1) and (c)(2) of section 230, in particular to clarify and determine the circumstances under which a provider of an interactive computer service that restricts access to content in a manner not specifically protected by subparagraph (c)(2)(A) may also not be able to claim protection under subparagraph (c)(1), which merely states that a provider shall not be treated as a publisher or speaker for making third-party content available and does not address the provider’s responsibility for its own editorial decisions;"

Biden/DNC are crying with gratitude. Trump just guaranteed that all the social media platforms sign big checks to Biden reelection campaign.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/

Dont get me wrong. I take the position that Sec 230 CDMA has been egregiously abused for a couple decades now by the internet publishers. If you edit or censor any third party content you publish, then you ought to be liable for published content.

Just like you cant sue the fone company if someone calls you and swears at you or the post office if someone sends you threatening letters. Fone and postoffice dont excercise editorial privilege, they are common carriers and protected as such. If  twitfacegoo wants to be a common carrier, sure. But if they edit, they be liable.

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« Reply #5936 on: May 29, 2020, 08:14:29 AM »
Trump wants to bring back some troops in time for the election:

"The proposal for a complete withdrawal by November reflects an understanding among military commanders that such a timeline may be Mr. Trump’s preferred option."

"But they plan to propose, and to advocate, a slower withdrawal schedule, officials said."

"Another factor that has contributed to Mr. Trump’s desire for an early withdrawal is the coronavirus and its unchecked spread throughout Afghanistan "

"Pentagon believes that at least 50 percent of Afghan security forces most likely have the virus, meaning that any training and joint operations between United States and Afghan forces have been paused ... airstrikes against the group [Islamic State] still continue."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-wants-troops-in-afghanistan-home-by-election-day-the-pentagon-is-drawing-up-plans/ar-BB14DkPC

Bringing the troops home will get him votes, but i suspect the pentagon wont let him. Too much money in that funnel.

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« Reply #5937 on: May 29, 2020, 09:27:39 AM »

Dont get me wrong. I take the position that Sec 230 CDMA has been egregiously abused for a couple decades now by the internet publishers. If you edit or censor any third party content you publish, then you ought to be liable for published content.

Just like you cant sue the fone company if someone calls you and swears at you or the post office if someone sends you threatening letters. Fone and postoffice dont excercise editorial privilege, they are common carriers and protected as such. If  twitfacegoo wants to be a common carrier, sure. But if they edit, they be liable.

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In principle, I agree.  But we've seen profoundly corrosive effects of social media on social functioning.  Social media have been traced to genocide of the Rohingya and elsewhere the rise of neo-fascism around the world.  I used to have high hopes for the democratization of publishing, but these hopes have been dashed by unfolding reality.  I don't know what a decent solution looks like, but the status quo isn't it. 

As for the current brouhaha, Trump wants the online media to act like the postal service with this.  But that requires them to permit open, public pedophilia,  fraud, and other criminality without an ability to delete content.  That's insane.  Nor will it serve his immediate aims, as simply appending a link to false or misleading content is in no way censorship.

A publisher of a book bears liability for what's published.  Public internet content is the modern equivalent of a published book.  I think the standard of behavior of publishers may be more reasonable than the standard of responsibility of the postal service.


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« Reply #5938 on: May 29, 2020, 01:08:39 PM »
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“When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” is a threat coined by Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, who promised violent reprisals on black protesters in 1967. He also said: “We don’t mind being accused of police brutality. They haven’t seen anything yet.”

Link >> https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/1266237702208282624


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« Reply #5939 on: May 29, 2020, 08:55:52 PM »
OMG!!!!  ???

Look at his face! He's enjoying this...
Who's allowing him to do this?
Watch the South China sea!

BOOM!!!!
90% of the world is religious, but somehow "love thy neighbour" became "fuck thy neighbours", if they don't agree with your point of view.

WTF happened?

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« Reply #5940 on: May 29, 2020, 11:55:57 PM »
Re: "A publisher of a book bears liability for what's published.  Public internet content is the modern equivalent of a published book. "

Agreed. Social media should be liable for what they choose to publish.

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« Reply #5941 on: May 31, 2020, 12:20:49 PM »

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« Reply #5942 on: June 03, 2020, 09:33:54 AM »
From a German public media satire show. Translates to:

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Trump had to hide in the bunker in the White House due to protests.

From German experience, we can say from here it's going only south.


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« Reply #5943 on: June 03, 2020, 01:35:26 PM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― anonymous

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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« Reply #5945 on: June 04, 2020, 03:23:23 AM »
^ And yet it looks fine on my Android

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Donald Trump Appears to Have Committed Felony Voter Fraud
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/donald-trump-felony-voter-fraud-florida.amp

Under Florida law, providing false information on a voter registration form is a third-degree felony, punishable by five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

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President Trump Tried to Register to Vote In Florida Using An Out-of-State Address
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/president-trump-tried-to-register-to-vote-in-florida-using-an-out-of-state-address/2020/06/03/687d0014-a4f2-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html?outputType=amp

President Trump originally tried to register to vote in Florida while claiming his “legal residence” was in another part of the country — Washington, D.C. — according to Florida elections records.

The September 2019 registration application listed Trump’s legal residence as 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, the location of the White House. That created a potential problem for Trump: Florida law requires voters to be legal residents of the state. A month later, Trump resubmitted his application to use a Florida address and in March he voted by mail in Florida’s Republican primary.

The revisions complicate Trump’s own record as a voter at a time when the president has made unsubstantiated claims of widespread fraud in mail-in balloting.

... The voter application is dated Sept. 27, 2019 — the same day that Trump made the domicile change. On one of his forms that day he was telling Florida officials that his “legal residence” was Washington, D.C., and on another he was saying he was a “bona fide resident” of Palm Beach.

Florida voter-registration applicants are warned on registration forms that they may be subject to fines and even prison time if they do not provide truthful information.

There has been at least one recent instance in Florida in which a public official faced legal consequences for registering to vote at an address that was not her legal residence. Last year, the city manager of Deltona, Fl., entered into an agreement with the local state’s attorney’s office to pay more than $5,000 in fees and reimbursements for the state’s investigation to avoid being prosecuted on criminal charges in a voter-registration case. She had registered to vote using the address of Deltona’s City Hall, rather than her home address, and had cast ballots in elections using that registration.

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Lock him up!  Lock him up!  Lock him up!
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« Reply #5946 on: June 04, 2020, 08:41:03 AM »
Mad dog Mattis, the warmonger in chief, the right-winger of choice, just basically called Trump a NAZI.

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Mattis on Trump: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

Link >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7wn7m/welp-trumps-own-former-defense-secretary-just-compared-him-to-the-nazis-so-that-happened

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« Reply #5947 on: June 04, 2020, 12:55:27 PM »
Mad dog Mattis, the warmonger in chief, the right-winger of choice, just basically called Trump a NAZI.

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Mattis on Nazis: “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’”

Mattis on Trump: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

Link >> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7wn7m/welp-trumps-own-former-defense-secretary-just-compared-him-to-the-nazis-so-that-happened
That's the difference between a right-leaning military background Republican and a fascist.

Trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on the Fifth Avenue and get away with it.

Well now Trump is ordering people to be shot by rubber bullets and tear gas in American cities and it's starting to look as he won't get away with it after all.

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« Reply #5948 on: June 04, 2020, 01:02:02 PM »
He better watch out--Trump wants to make it against the law to be against fascism!
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« Reply #5949 on: June 05, 2020, 12:07:19 AM »
Knowing that it's not the case but sometimes it really looks like if the guy would be "Adolf's" envoy to seek new and strong playgrounds from where to launch the next attempt.