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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6300 on: January 07, 2021, 07:34:03 PM »
Sen. Schumer Calls On Pence to Use 25th Amendment to Remove Trump from Office
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1253296

Presumptive Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called on Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove President Donald Trump from office and a group of House Democrats began circulating articles of impeachment in response to Trump's incitement of a crowd of supporters that violently stormed the U.S. Capitol.

“What happened at the U.S. Capitol yesterday was an insurrection against the United States, incited by the president," Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement on Thursday. "This president should not hold office one day longer."

“The quickest and most effective way — it can be done today — to remove this president from office would be for the vice president to immediately invoke the 25th amendment,” Schumer said. “If the vice president and the cabinet refuse to stand up, Congress should reconvene to impeach the president,” he added.

Earlier Thursday, Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., called for Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office, becoming the first Republican to do so.

In an interview with MSNBC, Kinzinger, slammed Trump as “unmoored, not just from his duty, or even his oath, but from reality itself” and said Pence, and the rest of Trump’s cabinet, needed to invoke the measure “to end this nightmare.”

“The president is unfit and the president is unwell. And the president must now relinquish control of the executive branch voluntarily or involuntary,” he said.

Under a provision of the 25th Amendment, the vice president can, with the support of the majority of the president's cabinet, invoke the the measure and declare Trump unfit for office, which could lead to his early removal. Under such a scenario, the vice president would immediately take over as acting president.

Meanwhile, Democratic Reps. David Cicilline, of Rhode Island, Ted Lieu, of California and Jamie Raskin, of Maryland, circulated articles of impeachment against Trump on Thursday.

The legislation accuses Trump of "willfully inciting violence against the government of the United States" and having "gravely endangered the security of the United States," which they added, "demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office."

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6301 on: January 07, 2021, 08:47:47 PM »
Trey Gowdy on Fucks news just now...
We always knew that repealing Obamacare was just an illusion that gave us the opportunity to raise a whole lot of money..

(I'm paraphrasing here while being extremely high and drunk and stoned for the last 2 days)
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« Reply #6302 on: January 07, 2021, 10:08:59 PM »
Trump Considers Pardoning Himself - Report
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html?

Donald Trump has discussed the possibility of preemptively pardoning himself before he leaves office on January 20, according to a new report.

... He has become increasingly convinced that his perceived enemies will use the levers of law enforcement to target him after he leaves office. [... no shit Sherlock]

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Lindsey Graham told reporters, “I‘m telling you as a Republican, I don’t support an effort to invoke the 25th amendment. Now, if something else happens, all options would be on the table.

Given that Donald Trump incited a violent mob to storm the Capitol yesterday, one has to wonder , what, if anything would convince Graham to support removing the president from office. [... maybe if he starts WWIII]

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Capitol Police confirmed that multiple pipe bombs found on the Capitol grounds and elsewhere nearby during the incident were indeed real. "The devices were disabled and turned over to the FBI for further investigation and analysis," he said in his statement. Acting D.C. Metropolitan Police Department Chief Robert Contee separately told reporters that a vehicle containing additional improvised explosive devices had also been located and secured.



A large cooler containing rifles and Molotov cocktails was secured. Locking plastic handcuffs were also seized and it appears that there was an intent to seize hostages.

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« Reply #6303 on: January 07, 2021, 10:13:31 PM »
(I'm paraphrasing here while being extremely high and drunk and stoned for the last 2 days)

Don´t worry, nobody noticed.  ::)
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« Reply #6304 on: January 07, 2021, 10:24:30 PM »
(I'm paraphrasing here while being extremely high and drunk and stoned for the last 2 days)

Don´t worry, nobody noticed.  ::)
Noticed what?  ::)
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« Reply #6305 on: January 07, 2021, 10:40:28 PM »
Sometimes ancient wisdom is the way to go.

Back in the old days, insanity could strike very suddenly. If it happened to a senior aristocrat, businessman, army officer, bishop or whatever, people rallied round. Their juniors or their family would spirit the affected person away in secret, keeping them incommunicado and effectively under house arrest, until either the madness had passed or the replacement organised.

I know a lot of people will want him punished for his behaviour, but if we want things to become less disorderly, the old-fashioned "hush-up-the-problem" might be the best way to go. All that's needed is for Donald to act sensibly (or be made to act sensibly) for a fortnight. Just keep him away from telephones and the nuclear codes, and things might be ok.
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« Reply #6306 on: January 07, 2021, 10:46:39 PM »
Nothing like an insurrection by people from all over the USA to send a virus all over the USA
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« Reply #6307 on: January 07, 2021, 11:00:12 PM »
Sometimes ancient wisdom is the way to go.

...

And history has something to tell, too.
He hasn't started singing, yet...


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« Reply #6308 on: January 07, 2021, 11:20:49 PM »
... maybe he didn't eat his vegetables ...

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Trump Whines to Advisers: Why Can’t I Tweet?!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-inciting-capitol-riot-trump-whines-to-advisers-why-cant-i-tweet

Four people were dead. The Capitol was in shambles. Several members of his team had resigned. His allies were quickly abandoning him.

Naturally, President Donald Trump was livid. About being locked out of his Twitter feed, that is.

Twitter and Facebook locked Trump’s accounts on Wednesday after he had used his social channels to incite a riot of his supporters at the U.S. Capitol. Not long after, the outgoing, increasingly authoritarian Republican president grew increasingly upset about the social media giants robbing him of his online voice, according to two people familiar with the matter.

One of the sources said that since Wednesday, Trump has specifically complained that he was trying to send a tweet during his Twitter lockout, and that he was furious that he couldn’t. The other person familiar with the situation said the president privately claimed this was another instance of Big Tech silencing conservatives and trying to help cover up the “crime” of the century that occurred during the 2020 presidential election.

Trump’s fixation on this underscores, yet again, a president hellbent on obsessing over his own petty grievances and personal desires for power and influence, even as his words and actions helped spur a widely-condemned storming of the Capitol, contributed to the Republican Party’s loss of Senate control and led to multiple resignations from his administration. This is all happening against a backdrop of a tanked U.S. economy and a still-raging coronavirus pandemic that Trump has continued to show no interest in helping to mitigate.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the matter and who have been in contact with Trump since Wednesday say he continues to insist he did absolutely nothing wrong, that senior officials and party leaders backing away from him are cowards, and that he also wants people to look into baseless rumors that antifa radicals infiltrated the MAGA protest and riot this week.

... More recently, Twitter banned Lin Wood, a pro-Trump attorney who has waged his own effort to nullify Biden’s win. On alt-right social network Parler, where he isn’t banned, Wood wrote, “Get the firing squad ready,” and that Vice President Mike Pence, now labeled a turncoat by Trump and his followers for his refusal to try to overturn Biden’s victory, “goes FIRST.”

... “Lots of people could’ve and did predict that this would happen,” a source at Facebook told The Daily Beast, referring to the riot at the Capitol. “The possibility of it happening again was high, because this guy [Trump] is fucking nuts.”
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« Reply #6309 on: January 07, 2021, 11:35:20 PM »
Jack said it best ...



... I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them, and that ain't bad.
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« Reply #6310 on: January 07, 2021, 11:43:47 PM »
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

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« Reply #6311 on: January 08, 2021, 12:01:14 AM »
Republican State Lawmaker Livestreamed Himself In Mob Storming US Capitol
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/republican-state-lawmaker-livestreamed-himself-in-mob-storming-us-capitol/

A Republican lawmaker recently elected to the West Virginia State Legislature yesterday livestreamed himself storming the US Capitol with the Trump-incited mob that tried to stop certification of Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

Derrick Evans, who was sworn in to the West Virginia House of Delegates last month, "was livestreaming on Facebook as he and other protesters muscled their way through the doors of one entrance carrying Trump flags and signs," BuzzFeed News wrote, adding that Evans shouted, "Patriots inside, baby!"

The now-deleted video shows Evans "wearing a helmet and clamoring at the door to breach" the building, the Associated Press reported.

https://apnews.com/article/social-media-electoral-college-west-virginia-media-7c5635060b39f41337229511a26ed61d

"'We're in! Keep it moving, baby!' he said in a packed doorway amid Trump followers holding flags and complaining of being pepper sprayed," the AP wrote. "Once inside, Evans could be seen on video milling around the Capitol Rotunda, where historical paintings depict the republic's founding, and yelled 'no vandalizing.'"

The video also showed "Evans lead[ing] the crowd in a chant of 'Trump!'"

Though deleted from Evans' Facebook page, portions of his stream can still be viewed, as clips were reposted by others. After getting through the door with the rest of the crowd, Evans yelled, "We're in! We're in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!" Evans also chanted "freedom" several times and yelled "our house."

https://www.reddit.com/r/WestVirginia/comments/krxnz2/delegate_derrick_evans_breaking_into_the_united/

Evans claimed he was acting as an "independent member of the media" in a statement posted to Facebook. "I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred," Evans wrote. "I was simply there as an independent member of the media to film history."

Evans' claim that he was acting as a reporter did not convince Democratic House Minority Leader Doug Skaff, who "called on [House of Delegates Speaker Roger] Hanshaw to suspend Evans' access to the statehouse and launch an investigation," the AP wrote. "'Delegate Derrick Evans not only participated in this violent, intentional disruption of government; he helped lead a group that he organized to travel to Washington, DC, to cause this chaos,' [Skaff] said in a statement."

Evans' term runs until November 30, 2022. Members of the House of Delegates are paid $20,000 a year.

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Insurrectionists’ Social Media Presence Gives Feds an Easy Way to ID Them
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/insurrectionists-social-media-presence-gives-feds-an-easy-way-to-id-them/

Law enforcement agencies trying to track down insurrectionists who participated in yesterday's events at the US Capitol have a wide array of tools at their disposal thanks to the ubiquity of cameras and social media.

Both local police and the FBI are seeking information about individuals who were "actively instigating violence" in Washington, DC, on January 6. While media organizations took thousands of photos police can use, they also have more advanced technologies at their disposal to identify participants, following what several other agencies have done in recent months.

Several police departments, such as Miami, Philadelphia, and New York City, turned to facial recognition platforms—including the highly controversial Clearview AI—during the widespread summer 2020 demonstrations against police brutality and in support of Black communities. In Philadelphia, for example, police used software to compare protest footage against Instagram photos to identify and arrest a protestor. In November, The Washington Post reported that investigators from 14 local and federal agencies in the DC area have used a powerful facial recognition system more than 12,000 times since 2019.

Neither would an agency need actual photos or footage to track down any mob participant who was carrying a mobile phone. Law enforcement agencies have also developed a habit in recent years of using so-called geofence warrants to compel companies such as Google to provide lists of all mobile devices that appeared within a certain geographic area during a given time frame.

... With all of that said, however, the DC Metropolitan Police and the FBI will probably need to look no further than a cursory Google search to identify many of the leaders of Wednesday's insurrection, as many of them took to social media both before and after the event to brag about it in detail. In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes.

Back on December 22, The Washington Post reported that organizers planning to rally on January 6 were openly discussing the potential for violence on that day on multiple social media platforms, including Parler, Gab, and Telegram. Reporter Marissa Lang continued in several subsequent stories to explain the high potential for violence at yesterday's events. Several other outlets, including Bloomberg and BuzzFeed, have also reported that the extremists who stormed the Capitol had been planning well in advance not only on fringe or explicitly right-wing sites but also in Facebook groups.

These extremely public plans also make for extremely public "paper" trails for any law enforcement agencies now interested in tracking down the participants. Several suspects have already been very easily identified.

The shirtless fellow with the furred, horned helmet, for example, is Jake Angeli, an extremely well-known Arizona man who has given multiple media interviews about his pro-Trump views. Another man seen near Angeli in several photos wore his work ID badge as he broke into the Capitol; his employer has already confirmed that he has been fired.

Local media outlets around the country have easily identified several other participants, including Adam Christian Johnson, the Florida man who grinned and waved to the camera after he stole the lectern from the House floor. Arkansas resident Richard Barnett, the man who put his feet up on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) desk to pose for a photo before stealing a piece of her mail, gave an interview to his local CBS affiliate about his participation in the mob.

Although many have later deleted their videos, that won't help them: not only are Facebook and other platforms subject to subpoenas and search warrants, but individuals and groups have been making plentiful copies and backups to preserve evidence.
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« Reply #6312 on: January 08, 2021, 04:38:12 AM »
Africa to Trump: Who's a Sh**thole Now?
https://m.dw.com/en/africa-to-trump-whos-a-shthole-now/a-56156615

Africans are responding to the chaos at the US Capitol with irony, sarcasm and humor. #Trump started trending on Twitter in places like Nigeria, South Africa and Kenya as the platform blocked the US president.

Africans are astonished at the disarray around the US seat of power — especially those Africans familiar with the playbooks of leaders who refuse to concede defeat, who carry out coups or who incite political violence.

"Trump should just pull off his mask and tell us which African country he's from," a Twitter user in Zambia remarked.

Trump never visited the continent but famously called African nations "sh**hole countries" in 2018. He also made unkind comments about prospective immigrants to the US from Nigeria.

In Somalia and elsewhere in the Horn of Africa, people followed the events in Washington in horror, disbelief and bewilderment.

"What was so shocking is the behavior that was displayed by most of the leadership of the Republican Party in the US," Adam Ow Hersi told DW in Mogadishu. "We could see some of them were enabling, others were indifferent and others were outright inciting the violence in Capitol Hill."

"If these domestic terrorist and extremist activities were happening in any of the countries in the Global South, these imperialist nations would have condemned and threatened intervention by now. Where are our leaders in the African Union?" one of them read.

Twitter users responded to Shivambu with calls for the AU to send peacekeepers.

Abuu Ali in Tanzania said he believed that Trump's goal had been to undermine the peace and stability of the US "and to incite hatred between whites and Americans of African descent in order to gain strength and stay in power."

On Twitter, Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa stated: "Last year, President Trump extended painful economic sanctions placed on Zimbabwe, citing concerns about Zimbabwe’s democracy. Yesterday’s events showed that the US has no moral right to punish another nation under the guise of upholding democracy."
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« Reply #6313 on: January 08, 2021, 08:33:47 AM »
Finally, we see that American spring has started.

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« Reply #6314 on: January 08, 2021, 10:55:41 AM »
accessory to murder ...

Police Officer Dies After Pro-Trump Mob Attack On US Capitol
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/police-officer-dies-after-pro-trump-mob-attack-on-us-capitol

US Capitol police officer Brian Sicknick died of injuries suffered while ‘physically engaging’ with group who stormed the building.

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... take his passport away - flight risk ...

First Family Considering Leaving White House a Day Early – Reports
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-leave-office-resignation.html

Donald Trump, the first lady and their son Baron may leave the White House the day before president-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated, the New York Times is reporting.

“The first family has discussed leaving the White House for good on Jan. 19, the day before the inauguration.”



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Top Trump Advisers Discuss Need to Resist Dangerous, Unlawful Orders
https://www.axios.com/trump-advisers-25th-amendment-alternative-b84640f7-0469-498d-b4cf-0ba1d873cee4.html

Some top remaining administration officials are preparing to resist any unlawful or dangerous orders in the closing days of Trump's presidency, senior administration officials with direct knowledge of the sensitive conversations tell Axios.

Why it matters: After Trump incited protesters to storm the Capitol on Wednesday, there's a near universal view among top officials that he is unfit and unhinged, these sources said.

Recently departed Attorney General Bill Barr said as much on the record Thursday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/07/barr-trump-committed-betrayal-of-his-office-455812
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« Reply #6315 on: January 08, 2021, 07:06:41 PM »
Pelosi Asks Top General About Curbing Trump's Military Power
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-impeachment-16e37a8ffcca60dac9731fdff285b8e5

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday she has spoken to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about preventing President Donald Trump from initiating military actions or a nuclear strike.

Pelosi said in a statement to colleagues that she spoke with Gen. Mark Milley “to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”

She said, the situation of “this unhinged President could not be more dangerous.”

Pelosi said “a threshold was crossed of such magnitude” that Trump should not be allowed to make any decisions.

She and Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer have called on Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment — the forceful removal of Trump from power by his own Cabinet.

Schiff, D-Calif., said that “every day that he remains in office, he is a danger to the Republic.”

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6316 on: January 08, 2021, 08:58:49 PM »
I love that title :
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Trump Concedes, Throws Minions under Bus
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« Reply #6317 on: January 09, 2021, 01:24:07 AM »
the great twat can no longer tweet  . 4 years late , but better late than never . b.c.
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« Reply #6318 on: January 09, 2021, 03:18:50 AM »
I didn't expect him to lose his social media accounts this quickly. I thought they would way until Januari 20. But that he would lose them was written in the stars...
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« Reply #6319 on: January 09, 2021, 03:36:16 AM »
  ..the platforms and big tech have at least 2 years , maybe a generation , where they now think the Democrats will be making the rules . Apple , Twitter , Facebook etc are all coming into line .. why would they otherwise . Their platforms are currently being used for organizing insurrection . The consequences are ginormous . They will be co-operating big time with law enforcement I guess  (and they might just need to let all the maryjane smokers out to make room for the proud boys ).
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« Reply #6320 on: January 09, 2021, 07:51:01 PM »
A picture is worth a thousand words
"Para a Causa do Povo a Luta Continua!"
"And that's all I'm going to say about that". Forrest Gump
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« Reply #6322 on: January 09, 2021, 09:21:30 PM »
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« Reply #6323 on: January 09, 2021, 09:29:08 PM »
Good one, v_m, but I'm having a little trouble matching the lyrics to the tune.
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« Reply #6324 on: January 10, 2021, 04:41:19 AM »
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« Reply #6325 on: January 10, 2021, 01:09:13 PM »
He's gone in ten days, but the real problem is that we will get a more competent, more dangerous Trumpoid in '24 or '28.
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« Reply #6326 on: January 10, 2021, 04:08:08 PM »
Mary Trump: ‘My Uncle is Unstable. He Needs to Be Removed Immediately’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/mary-trump-my-uncle-is-unstable-he-needs-to-be-removed-immediately

... The storming of the Capitol still shocked her. “What struck me first was how degrading it was. That amount of desecration. The tawdriness of it. Tawdriness is who Donald is, but playing out in the halls of Congress.” She describes the people vandalising offices, carrying Confederate flags, wearing Camp Auschwitz T-shirts – and yet Trump’s message to them was how much they were loved.

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... “It was the last four years in real time, distilled to its very essence, proving how much the very worst people among us have been so enabled and emboldened. ...”

What legacy will this leave for Republicans? “If they don’t vote to convict him, they will own this disaster for ever. It will burn them down.”

... The instability of her uncle right now remains the most pressing issue. “Remember: this is the man who tried to invalidate mail-in ballots in the middle of a pandemic. This is the man who forced resignations of high-level officers in the Pentagon, replacing them with sycophants. This is why, for six hours on Wednesday, the Pentagon blocked the National Guard from containing an insurrectionist mob. Our system failed miserably because this man’s been allowed to dismantle every institution this country counts on.”

... “In less than two weeks, he won’t have the Oval Office to protect him from lawsuits, bankruptcies and criminal indictments. I don’t know what he’s going to do, but we need to understand he’s capable of doing anything. And the clock is ticking.”
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6327 on: January 10, 2021, 08:23:08 PM »


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6328 on: January 10, 2021, 08:43:37 PM »
I fail to understand why he has not been charged and arrested for incitement to riot or something more serious . It is daft that politicians have to be involved in his pursuit and prosecution other than as witnesses . b.c.
 
 

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« Reply #6329 on: January 10, 2021, 08:54:17 PM »
It's a mystery to me, also.  ???
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6330 on: January 10, 2021, 09:30:04 PM »
I fail to understand why he has not been charged and arrested for incitement to riot or something more serious . It is daft that politicians have to be involved in his pursuit and prosecution other than as witnesses . b.c.
 
 


They have to wait until the 21st to charge him.

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« Reply #6331 on: January 10, 2021, 09:31:11 PM »
What we need is a "get off my plane" moment

https://youtu.be/jw3PJftd-_E?t=12
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6332 on: January 11, 2021, 11:33:19 AM »
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« Reply #6333 on: January 11, 2021, 04:10:27 PM »
Listen to this:

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240


Great speach, thanks for posting the link becaue i'm not using twitter and the likes.

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« Reply #6334 on: January 11, 2021, 11:06:41 PM »
Disgruntled Employee Changed The State Department’s Website To Say That Trump’s Term Ends Today
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/christopherm51/state-department-website-trump-term-ending-employee

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6335 on: January 12, 2021, 07:10:15 AM »
I fail to understand why he has not been charged and arrested for incitement to riot or something more serious . It is daft that politicians have to be involved in his pursuit and prosecution other than as witnesses . b.c.
You can't do that until he's complete destroyed in the public opinion. If they arrest him now there will be a civil war.

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« Reply #6336 on: January 12, 2021, 12:25:37 PM »
Just popping in to say--I think there is about to be a real civil war, anyway.

Trump is speaking from the Alamo today (actually, the little border town of Alamo, TX, not the actual location of the famous battle, but he and his followers aren't likely to make a distinction).

I can think of no 'better' setting from which to officially launch the civil war he has been hinting at through much of his presidency.

Remember when he told the Proud Boys to 'Stand back, and stand by'--that signaled to all his most violent followers that he would give a signal some day for them to take up arms and start a full on armed insurrection. The 6th was just a dress rehearsal, so to speak

Hoping that all (including what's left of our democracy) manage to survive the next few days
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« Reply #6337 on: January 12, 2021, 02:06:25 PM »
This just in from Huffington Post:

House Democrats Briefed On 3 Terrifying Plots To Overthrow Government

One plot includes surrounding the Capitol and murdering Democrats to allow Republicans to take control of the government.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-briefed-plot-overthrow-government_n_5ffd29a4c5b691806c4bf199
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6338 on: January 12, 2021, 03:41:09 PM »
Lawlessness begets lawlessness
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2021/01/lawlessness-begets-lawlessness.html
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As someone who is on record condemning lawlessness and sedition, I am appalled and horrified by what happened today in Washington, D.C.  It is indefensible and inexcusable, and the rioters and vandals ought to be prosecuted.  But then, the rioting and vandalism that occurred in Washington last summer – and in Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, and other major cities – was also appalling, horrifying, indefensible, and inexcusable, and its instigators should have been prosecuted.  Yet some of the people who are now talking tough about law and order were then blathering on about “mostly peaceful protests,” “defunding the police,” and other such lunacy.  We are reaping what they sowed.  If you are going to tolerate and excuse left-wing political violence, you are opening the door to right-wing political violence.  But if you rightly condemn the latter, then to be consistent, you must condemn the former.  You must insist that all citizens respect law and order – your political allies no less than your political enemies.


 Tom , at the same time as allowing this post , I just wish to say .. 'how dare you !' .. I even had to delete my own expletive .. b.c.

 
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6339 on: January 12, 2021, 03:47:47 PM »
Just popping in to say--I think there is about to be a real civil war, anyway.

Trump is speaking from the Alamo today (actually, the little border town of Alamo, TX, not the actual location of the famous battle, but he and his followers aren't likely to make a distinction).

I can think of no 'better' setting from which to officially launch the civil war he has been hinting at through much of his presidency.

Remember when he told the Proud Boys to 'Stand back, and stand by'--that signaled to all his most violent followers that he would give a signal some day for them to take up arms and start a full on armed insurrection. The 6th was just a dress rehearsal, so to speak

Hoping that all (including what's left of our democracy) manage to survive the next few days
That must have been a dress rehearsal by the biggest pussies then... One shot was fired and they all pulled back...
And so we pray...

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« Reply #6340 on: January 12, 2021, 04:10:29 PM »
I saw the video of the woman being shot. That did not stop them, from what I saw. Not right away, anyway.

They had wrist ties, truckloads of guns and bombs...if some brave capitol cops hadn't put their lives between these assholes and the congress, there likely would have at least been hostages, possibly hangings and other murders.

But I don't think most of them came completely ready for an armed insurrection.

I think it was a combination of groups like boogaloo bois ('stand back and stand by') who were ready to take things much further, 'loan wolves' who were doing random vandalism, and 'riot tourists' along for the ride. This excuses none of them, of course. Nor those here and elsewhere who criminally support them through false equivalences and other lies.

Sad to see the site is still tolerating with people who are actively defending the attempted take over of the US government because they don't like the results of a legitimate election.

As we are seeing, words have very dire real world consequences

We are basically dealing with a US rightwing Taliban, and I would ask that this site not support those who are encouraging this lethal development

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« Reply #6341 on: January 12, 2021, 05:15:38 PM »
Lawlessness begets lawlessness
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2021/01/lawlessness-begets-lawlessness.html

 Tom , at the same time as allowing this post , I just wish to say .. 'how dare you !' .. I even had to delete my own expletive .. b.c.
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« Reply #6342 on: January 12, 2021, 05:50:34 PM »
... looks like it's going to be an 'interesting' year ...

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Senators Request FBI Investigate Letter Claiming Trump Will Remain President
https://www.ktvn.com/story/43156765/local-officials-respond-to-letter-claiming-trump-will-remain-president

U.S. Senators Catherine Cortez Masto and Jacky Rosen sent a letter requesting the FBI to look into the letter written by the Chairman of the Nye County (Nevada)  Republican Central Committee

https://nyegop.org/blog-2/

“As you can see, the letter, published January 8, 2021, denies basic facts about the 2020 election and falsely claims that President Trump – not President-elect Biden – will be inaugurated on January 20th,” the Senators wrote. The Senators continue by mentioning other claims in the letter, including evidence that there is a plot involving Vice President Mike Pence to overthrow President Trump and refers to Parler posts by Lin Wood calling for Pence's execution.

"The letter describes being in a 'battle for our republic' and ends by saying that 'It's 1776 all over again!'" the Senators add.

Zimmerman's letter begins with the statement, "Let me be clear. Trump will be president for another four years. Biden will not be president," as well as warning residents to expect the emergency broadcast system to be activated, high profile arrests to take place, an internet blackout or outage and the Insurrection Act to be enacted.

Nye County District Attorney Chris Arabia has issued a statement about Zimmerman's letter, saying the letter falls under the protection of the First Amendment. [...Not!]

Arabia says the Sheriff's Office and the District Attorney's Office are currently unaware of anyone in Nye County planning political violence and urges the community to contact law enforcement if they are a victim of political violence. [... yah; right; sure]

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« Reply #6343 on: January 12, 2021, 09:08:13 PM »
Just popping in to say--I think there is about to be a real civil war, anyway.

Trump is speaking from the Alamo today
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Hoping that all (including what's left of our democracy) manage to survive the next few days
That must have been a dress rehearsal by the biggest pussies then... One shot was fired and they all pulled back...

Disabuse yourself of that thought.  The mob had no leadership.  Even then it nearly did what the man who unleashed those dogs wanted it to do.   Had it had actual leadership, instead of Trump, it would have resulted in utter horror.   I don't believe that in the end it would have worked, but the damage would have been much worse.

I now know, in the French way, what Wellington meant when he wrote about the difference between battles.    The only thing that is worse than a failed coup d'etat, is a successful one.

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« Reply #6344 on: January 12, 2021, 10:59:54 PM »
be cause & gerontocrat:
I notice that the most cogent arguments you can make against my linked article are, basically, to foam at the mouth.
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« Reply #6345 on: January 13, 2021, 06:03:10 PM »
Pentagon Authorizes Arming of National Guard Members Supporting Capitol Security
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/13/politics/pentagon-national-guard-armed/index.html

National Guard members supporting US Capitol security in Washington, DC, ahead of Inauguration Day will be armed, the Department of Defense announced Tuesday.

The decision comes as law enforcement in the nation's capital and around the country brace for more extremist violence after the deadly insurrection at the US Capitol last week. The first wave of National Guard troops who arrived at the Capitol were unarmed, and the Army has been reviewing whether National Guardsmen should be armed for the inauguration with lethal or nonlethal weapons.

Capt. Chelsi Johnson, spokesperson for the DC National Guard, said in a statement to CNN that the move was requested by federal authorities and authorized by Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/politics/national-guard-troops-armed-inauguration.html
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« Reply #6346 on: January 13, 2021, 06:45:47 PM »
Some of Trump's most conservative defenders in Congress have begun calling for the resignation of Wyoming Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney after she said yesterday that she would vote to impeach Trump.

Cheney, the third highest ranking Republican in the chamber and the chairwoman of the House Republican Conference, slammed Trump in a statement yesterday, saying: "There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan, who Trump awarded a Medal of Freedom to on Monday for defending him during the last impeachment, was among those calling for her to go.

“We ought to have a second vote,” he told reporters. "The conference ought to vote on that."

Congressman Matt Rosendale of Montana said that Cheney did not notify the body of her decision to impeach, and "failed to abide by the spirit of the rules of the Republican Conference, and ignored the preferences of Republican voters".

"She is weakening our conference at a key moment for personal political gain and is unfit to lead. She must step down as Conference Chair.”

from bbc live feed:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55645957

So Jim doesn´t know he won´t get another medal and Rosendale won´t get one at all. Oh well.


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #6347 on: January 14, 2021, 05:08:50 AM »
@Tom
I could give well reasoned thought out responses but that would be a waste of my time and yours. The partisan vitriol on both sides is already scripted. You could go online and read the liberal narrative if you want. Let me save you the trouble it depends on who you believe. Apparently you believe trump.


I had an acquaintance once. He spent some time in jail and when he came back he was different. Even if I saw something myself he would firmly and repeatedly deny something if he felt it benefited him. If I did not agree with him completely he would bring it up over and over again until I would get sick of him bringing it up again and I would agree. If you agreed with him every thing was great but disagree and he would badger and pester you until you agreed with him. He would repeat his lies over and over again. If he expected someone to  disagree with him about something in the future he would say bad shit about them first. He would tear them down anyway he could. He would turn on his "friends" at the drop of a hat He treated everyone like that.  Trump acts exactly like him. Its a "life skill" prisoners teach each other. Though in prison you might also get assaulted or killed for disagreeing. You can believe the narrative of a liar and bully if you want but I prefer more reality from politicians. Eventually even his allies get tired of him rewarding their loyalty with a kick in the ass for not sucking up to him fast enough. This is who you are supporting when you spread those lies.


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« Reply #6348 on: January 14, 2021, 10:54:40 AM »
be cause & gerontocrat:
I notice that the most cogent arguments you can make against my linked article are, basically, to foam at the mouth.
Tom, what kind of reaction did you expect?

Trump lost the election fair and square, then discredited the results, pressured election officials and when all this failed, sent his violent mob to the Congress to stop the legal process of declaring Biden the new president. Fortunately only 5 people died. Even more fortunate is the strength of the American democratic institutions, although I doubt we have seen the end of this.

To us living outside the US, Trump behaved like a caricature 1960's African dictator. (Apologies for all Africans, but the post-colonial decades were not very stable on the continent.)

The post you linked compared attempted coup to protests against police brutality. Stupid claims rarely get smart responses.

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« Reply #6349 on: January 14, 2021, 11:22:37 AM »
be cause & gerontocrat:
I notice that the most cogent arguments you can make against my linked article are, basically, to foam at the mouth.
Tom, what kind of reaction did you expect?

Trump lost the election fair and square, then discredited the results, pressured election officials and when all this failed, sent his violent mob to the Congress to stop the legal process of declaring Biden the new president. Fortunately only 5 people died. Even more fortunate is the strength of the American democratic institutions, although I doubt we have seen the end of this.

To us living outside the US, Trump behaved like a caricature 1960's African dictator. (Apologies for all Africans, but the post-colonial decades were not very stable on the continent.)

The post you linked compared attempted coup to protests against police brutality. Stupid claims rarely get smart responses.
Scum like Trump and his Acolytes often use "equivalence" to defend evil. A protest against police who have made a sick joke out of "to protect and serve" is presented as equivalent to the (bungled) attempt to impose a fascist dictatorship.

The idea is to force me to debate this, which forces me accept that equivalence. My answer is no. The man that wrote that article is evil. End of. FIN.
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