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b_lumenkraft

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1400 on: June 19, 2019, 08:07:45 PM »
Oh wow, thank you so much, Nanning! ☺️

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1401 on: June 19, 2019, 08:22:00 PM »
Tor,

this is one is for you:

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1402 on: June 19, 2019, 09:00:36 PM »


...which we face, right? I can't imagine our rich societies not going full Nazi mode once the billions of refugees are knocking on our arbitrary borders. We are doing it today, without a crisis. We kill people and actively let people die in the Mediterranean sea - standing there watching.

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Very ambiguous term, civilisation. Two opposite meanings. One of them is, to me, an obvious lie.
e.g. Is civilisation the EU? Or is it the large evil companies the EU fights in court? Other?

As long as there are nation-states, as long as there is no equality, as long as there isn't one person - one vote, there is still a long way to go...

evolution (of minds and ethics) is always way to slow but it definitely is an ongoing process IMO
just looking back a few decades or even more so a few hundred years is clearly showing progress.

nazi mode ? yes, we are on straight line and it will happen as you say, "latest" in case of a great crises, probably before. +1

Nation States ?

you're correct, i had to brake up with many because i got tired them defending nation states and arbitrary borders. +1

One person one vote ?
correct, must be the goal while perhaps there will come the day when the term "human" is prone to a closer look. difficult topic but terms "animal" and "human" (Mensch) are biblical, hence by no means is that distinction my idea but it's obvious that not everyone who walks on two legs is really "mensch" in the original jewish meaning.

Equality ????

this is where today is not the first time that directly or indirectly we are not in the same boat at all.

by definition there will and can never be "equality" and this is due to a simply but ovious fact:

WE ARE NOT EQUAL

hence if we try to make eveyone equal the result will be cruel and devastating to the population as a  whole and it's the better and more educated and more intelligent that will be killed first.

after all it has been tried many times in history and has never worked.

in short, i agree with 99% of your points, mostly 100% and at times in the meaning but
the illusion of equality can render all the good efforts obsolete. (IMO WILL not CAN)

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1403 on: June 19, 2019, 09:48:30 PM »
Mag, you define equality very differently than i do.

When i speak of equality i don't mean everyone has to have blond hair and blue eyes. You seem to think my definition of the word is something like that.

What i mean with that is everyone should have the same rights.

Let me give you an example: There are 2 apples hanging from a tree in 2,25m hight. Now two people come along, both hungry. One tall person with his short friend. The tall dude reaches both apples, the short one reaches none. It is now fair when the tall one takes both the apples and shares one with his short buddy. Now they are equal as far as fairness concerns, still they keep being different people.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1404 on: June 19, 2019, 10:06:05 PM »
Mag, you define equality very differently than i do.

When i speak of equality i don't mean everyone has to have blond hair and blue eyes. You seem to think my definition of the word is something like that.

What i mean with that is everyone should have the same rights.

Let me give you an example: There are 2 apples hanging from a tree in 2,25m hight. Now two people come along, both hungry. One tall person with his short friend. The tall dude reaches both apples, the short one reaches none. It is now fair when the tall one takes both the apples and shares one with his short buddy. Now they are equal as far as fairness concerns, still they keep being different people.

as per your example i 100% agree again

as per definition, i could have wrote that i'd be interested in your definition of "equality"
however you got my point and responded accordingly.

i'm more on the side of physics and mathematics where "equal" mean "=" means 100% identical
but since you gave me your version of equal i can say that i agree to your way to look at things like the one in your example.

one thing to add perhaps:

it's not that easy for the tall guy because it's often the small dog that barks as long up to the tall dog until he gets bitten. why, envy is the word.

what i'm saying is that it takes always two sides and i'm sure that if we two were the tall and the short guy (i'm quite short 1.73 hence i assume you'd be the other guy LOL) that there would be no problem to share the two apples. BTW, going away from the two of us, looking at the big guy and the nerdy guy, they can build a perfect team if each of them stay in his territory of strength/skills.

one thing that distinguishes humans from most animals is that animals often know their place in the social group except when hormons play havoc while humans permanently try to appear "greater" than they are"

this has several disadvantages:

- a lot of time and energy get's lost in disputes

- if everyone plays mr. big, the real mr. big has to proof that he is indeed big and that can hurt LOL

ok, i'm starting to have fun and get driven away, hence let me put it like this.

it's mostly/often/all about terms ;) ;)

cheers
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1405 on: June 19, 2019, 10:14:47 PM »
hence i assume you'd be the other guy LOL

Yep! I'm 1,94.
And i would totally share with you!  :)

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this has several disadvantages:

I know, right?! Don't get me started... ;)

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1406 on: June 21, 2019, 04:23:39 AM »
Summer Solstice 2019



Since 2015th on June 21st we also celebrate International Day of Yoga. 177 countries get together to pass that UN resolution, not a small thing. Yoga lights up @UN Headquarters, #Yoga4ClimateAction.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1407 on: June 22, 2019, 05:40:43 PM »
Yesterday, Solstice day, at about 52N 2W, the afternoon and evening became totally cloudless. So my daughter took the dogs for a long late evening walk.

A short time after sunset, in the West, it suddenly got a lot lighter. She took some photos on her mobile phone. When I saw them, after a few minutes the memory store swung into action"noct something clouds?). After a brief struggle with google, I found...

http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap08/noctilucent.html
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Noctilucent clouds (Fig 2) occur in the upper mesosphere, at about 80 km. Their name derives from the fact that they can be seen from the ground when the Sun is 7-10 degrees below the horizon and only reflects off these very high clouds . It arises from the water vapour released upon oxidation of methane. The recent observed increase of such clouds is related to increased atmospheric concentrations of methane***, a greenhouse gas. Noctilucent clouds are most common in the summer in polar regions. At this time the mesospheric lapse rate is close to neutral, and this makes uplift easier.

*** AGW - the gift that keeps on giving.


EDIT Am I right - are they Noctilucent clouds? (Right time of day and year, right direction)

Images attached. They are big




"Para a Causa do Povo a Luta Continua!"
"And that's all I'm going to say about that". Forrest Gump
"Damn, I wanted to see what happened next" (Epitaph)

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1408 on: June 22, 2019, 05:45:16 PM »
EDIT Am I right - are they Noctilucent clouds? (Right time of day and year, right direction)

Yep! :)

Beautiful, really!

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1409 on: June 22, 2019, 11:31:33 PM »

EDIT Am I right - are they Noctilucent clouds? (Right time of day and year, right direction)



Gorgeous!
Any way to set a tripod & camera for additional photos/video?
Terry

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1410 on: June 22, 2019, 11:52:37 PM »

EDIT Am I right - are they Noctilucent clouds? (Right time of day and year, right direction)



Gorgeous!
Any way to set a tripod & camera for additional photos/video?
Terry

RAIN!!
"Para a Causa do Povo a Luta Continua!"
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1411 on: June 23, 2019, 09:07:10 AM »

RAIN!!


Manana? - or even the nights following?


Seriously you've posted some wonderful examples. I look for them just before daybreak. but have never seen anything to compare.
Terry


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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1412 on: June 23, 2019, 10:39:09 AM »
RAIN!!
Manana? - or even the nights following?

Seriously you've posted some wonderful examples. I look for them just before daybreak. but have never seen anything to compare.
Terry
These clouds only appear for a brief time after sunset, with the sun something like 5 to 15 degrees below the horizon. They are uncommon, once being seen only in polar regions and still usually only at this time of year. I believe they are unpredictable as well.

So it was just luck to get the images. And by sunset tonight it will be raining here.
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1413 on: June 29, 2019, 05:22:57 PM »
Nothing new for us, anyway:
Podcast "Episode 3.10 Paranoid Billionaires with Doug Rushkoff" on The Next Billion Seconds with Mark Pesce, June 26, 2019.
"...going deep into the question of how billionaires plan to survive the apocalypse of their own making..."

More titles from there:
THE NEXT BILLION CARS Episode 10 – The Next Billion Challenges, THE NEXT BILLION CARS Episode 9 – The Next Billion Carmakers, Episode 3.08 The History of the Future with Blake Harris, THE NEXT BILLION CARS Episode 8 – The Next Billion Drivers ...

< and Jones, you keep a strong spine >

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1414 on: July 06, 2019, 01:21:04 PM »
Hello, For French readers we (me (laurent Rouchairoles) and jean-luc Joudain (he is watching this forum since 2013)) have setup a Facebook page to discuss about Arctic and Antarctic stuff at amateur-expert level. It is a private page here : https://www.facebook.com/groups/975182256158298/ for more "relax" information feed it is here : https://www.facebook.com/Surveillance-Banquise-Arctique-1940752455980747/ the idea of this page is to translate articles from english to french about Arctic, Antarctic or climate related stuff.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #1415 on: July 17, 2019, 02:52:40 PM »
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But the Greatest of These is Love

I love this beautiful, mysterious, complicated planet we get to call home. The planet who had the audacity to burst with life, from her boreal crown to her icy toes at the South Pole. I love her caves and her valleys and her rivers and her oceans. I love the majesty of larger-than-life elephants and whales and rhinos and lions. I love the elegance and enigma of all the different kinds of bats—even the ones that eat other bats! I love the unapologetic sass of butterflies and hummingbirds and coral reefs and the tear-jerking aroma of flowers that bloom below the equator.

https://medium.com/@maryheglar/but-the-greatest-of-these-is-love-4b7aad06e18c

This helps understand the where the anger at climate denial comes from.

Neven some time ago (perhaps even more than once) said he was angry, this made a lot of sense to me as I'm also angry at climate denial (except I'm completely ineffective). I also think it's only the anger of the youth that will make any difference (Greta is just the start, very awake but not yet angry).

I might be seeing more here than there is, but just now this helps explain where the anger comes from.