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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #900 on: June 12, 2017, 07:53:01 PM »
How the Arctic Ocean became saline

Researchers model climate changes caused by the submersion of the Greenland-Scotland Ridge

Date:June 6, 2017
Source:Alfred Wegener Institute, Helmholtz Centre for Polar and Marine Research
Summary:The Arctic Ocean was once a gigantic freshwater lake. Only after the land bridge between Greenland and Scotland had submerged far enough did vast quantities of salt water pour in from the Atlantic.

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The Arctic Ocean was once a gigantic freshwater lake. Only after the land bridge between Greenland and Scotland had submerged far enough did vast quantities of salt water pour in from the Atlantic. With the help of a climate model, researchers from the Alfred Wegener Institute have demonstrated how this process took place, allowing us for the first time to understand more accurately how Atlantic circulation, as we know it today came about. The results of the study have now been published in the journal Nature Communications.

Every year, ca. 3,300 cubic kilometres of fresh water flows into the Arctic Ocean. This is equivalent to ten percent of the total volume of water that all the world's rivers transport to the oceans per year. In the warm and humid climate of the Eocene (ca. 56 to 34 million years ago), the inflow of freshwater was probably even greater. However, in contrast to today, during that geological period there was no exchange of water with other oceans. The influx of saline Atlantic and Pacific water, which today finds its way into the Arctic Ocean from the Pacific via the Bering Strait and from the North Atlantic via the Greenland-Scotland Ridge, wasn't possible -- the region that is today completely submerged was above the sea at that time.
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But did the "Arctic Really Great Lake" ever freeze? (from Wikipedia):
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The Eocene Epoch contained a wide variety of different climate conditions that includes the warmest climate in the Cenozoic Era and ends in an icehouse climate. The evolution of the Eocene climate began with warming after the end of the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) at 56 million years ago to a maximum during the Eocene Optimum at around 49 million years ago. During this period of time, little to no ice was present on Earth with a smaller difference in temperature from the equator to the poles. Following the maximum was a descent into an icehouse climate from the Eocene Optimum to the Eocene-Oligocene transition at 34 million years ago. During this decrease ice began to reappear at the poles, and the Eocene-Oligocene transition is the period of time where the Antarctic ice sheet began to rapidly expand.

But when did it go from freshwater "Lake" to salty "Ocean"?   The Middle Eocene Arctic was dominated by freshwater (from Early to middle Eocene history of the Arctic Ocean from Nd-Sr isotopes in fossil fish debris, Lomonosov Ridge, 2009), although
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Evidence of intermittent exchange between the Arctic and adjacent oceans is also preserved in the deeper water (Nd) isotope signature of the fish debris, although limited connections during the Eocene probably restricted this exchange. We conclude that an active year-round Arctic hydrologic cycle, along with eustatic and tectonic controls on oceanic exchange, must have exerted significant control on the evolution of Eocene Arctic Ocean water column structure and the isotopic composition of early and middle Eocene fish debris reported on here.

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The 50 Ma paleoreconstruction of the early Eocene Arctic Ocean Basin showing position of IODP 302 drill sites (modified from Expedition 302 Scientists [2005]). Possible shallow marine connections existed between the Arctic and Tethys (via western Siberian Seaway/Turgay Strait), North Atlantic (via the Norwegian-Greenland Sea and the Labrador Sea), and the Pacific Ocean (via proto-Bering Strait). NA, North America; A, Asia/Siberia; Gr, Greenland; E, Europe. Middle Eocene connections are uncertain, and exchange with Tethys may have ceased by early middle Eocene time
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #901 on: June 18, 2017, 11:39:10 AM »
Re IJIS thread - why is polluted with non IJIS related speculation?

Re contrarian betting :
Big boys make seriously big money betting contrarianingly. They only bet contrarianingly when they have insider info or they themselves helped manufacture the wild swing to one side of true value. They never bet unknowingly.
Small boys who bet contrarianingly on the wild hope of getting rich loose their shirt long before they wipe their arses with 100$ bills.
If most of the mpst knowledgeable people on this forum are very fearful for the state of the ice in September, better not to risk betting that we'll be running adventure marathons to the pole...

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #902 on: June 19, 2017, 06:30:41 PM »
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/06/climate-scientists-seeking-opinion-stupid-idiot-complete-study/

Climate scientists seeking opinion of stupid idiot to complete study

OTTAWA – Scientists are nearing completion on another planet-wide study on climate change, but say they require the opinion of a “real stupid idiot” in order to complete their work.

“We’ve spent months conducting research and analyzing the data,” explained Dr. Naomi Prashad. “So we’re nearly there. We just need the assistance of a total brow-furrowing goddamn dolt to point out any shortcomings in our work.”

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #903 on: June 21, 2017, 03:42:52 AM »
For a break and sailing off into the past, all the way to 1906 in the Arctic - before it becomes officialy open source   -   http://www.pgdpcanada.net/c/project.php?projectid=p170613002

REPORT ON THE DOMINION GOVERNMENT EXPEDITION TO HUDSON BAY AND THE ARCTIC ISLANDS ON BOARD THE D. G. S. NEPTUNE [The Cruise of the Neptune] [Recovered for PP] (1906)       is available for "Smooth Reading."   

.epub, .html, pdf, .txt, etc. are available at the Smooth Reading page for Distributed Proofreaders Canada        http://www.pgdpcanada.net/c/tools/smooth.php

You might need to sign up to download it.  Or you can wait a few weeks or months and get it when done at Fadedpage.com after it finishes post processing. It will also go to Gutenberg.  Only small request is to contact them if you see typos. 

peace out. 

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #904 on: June 23, 2017, 11:33:43 PM »
Jimmy Dore exercises elementary natural humanistic logic, how one can not love him.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #905 on: June 24, 2017, 01:27:14 PM »
The Jimmy Dore Show was in a bit of a slump recently, with Dore incessantly ranting about the same things (and cursing even more than usual). His ego played up a little as well. And it was less funny. It has to be funny, that's crucial. Not just for the viewers, but also for Dore's team, because it's really difficult to do things if you don't get some fun or satisfaction out of it.

I've been watching some videos from the past days, and it's really good stuff again.
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #906 on: June 26, 2017, 07:26:44 AM »
This might be of some use in some threads, the friendly big red button: https://www.myinstants.com/instant/the-sun-is-a-deadly-laser-9036/
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #907 on: July 24, 2017, 09:23:02 PM »

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #908 on: July 24, 2017, 09:41:55 PM »
Good to see you again, Ivica. I had to think about you the other day. The song you post would also fit in here.

PS the audience needs singing lessons  ;)
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #909 on: July 24, 2017, 09:58:51 PM »
Good to see you again, Ivica. I had to think about you the other day. The song you post would also fit in here.

PS the audience needs singing lessons  ;)

never written, implied ever, it's a caffe  - if one find something of a value here -  bring that to others

ps: you (yu & yr family are in our minds too, nothing can change that   :) 

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #911 on: August 31, 2017, 10:10:15 PM »
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2:1 
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Despacito .

Categories, by Spivak, does that tell you anything ?

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #912 on: September 13, 2017, 09:34:06 PM »
A wall plaque / Latin motto,  for the Arctic Cafe -

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o restabit
 fortis
afine placeto
restat
Oh, rest a bit
 for 'tis
a fine place to
rest at

Anon.
si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #913 on: October 15, 2017, 10:11:27 AM »
That remainds me on pale blue dot .  (thanks logicmanPatrick!)
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Amnesia Force is strong these years, so let me repeat a bit of what SIDD put earlier:

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The economy of communion, if it wants to be faithful to its charism,
must not only care for the victims, but build a system where there are ever fewer victims,
where, possibly, there may no longer be any.
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2017/02/04/170204a.html

The most primitive 'instinct', what is that? Greed?

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We lost one who knew how to think: 1 2 ..search for more..

howdy

**Eurogroup troika, 150 mega-corps** Ship sinks, someones spit on deck makes outrage.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #914 on: October 15, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
ivica - I like your "amnesia force".  Shades of Star Wars.

I'd like to use this on twitter, with h/t to you if that's OK?
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« Reply #915 on: October 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM »
No problem, do whatever you want :)

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #916 on: October 16, 2017, 01:23:28 PM »
i forgot to thank you for sharing "yoda amnesia" with us :D

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #917 on: October 25, 2017, 01:41:08 PM »
Current mainstream view on the Universe of/by species struggling on how not to destroy own nest/mother_planet:



Near the end of Chapter 1:
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Ignorance is the natural state of mind for a research scientist.

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The world's IQ seems to be in the decline. Estimate for 2050 from 2004. article, read from table there says: 86.
But according to article from today (test results of 550,492 individuals in 123 countries..., 36 comments currently) - we are already there?

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« Reply #918 on: October 25, 2017, 07:09:56 PM »
Here's an explanation of how that might come about:



But personally I think it's the food and the smart phones that are going to do it.
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #920 on: October 28, 2017, 09:52:24 AM »
Coming today:



Presentation of the Dialogue:
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2017/10/27/171027a.html
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Representatives of the Church and high level European political leaders will participate in the Dialogue, to contribute to a constructive reflection on the fundamental challenges for the European project.
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• Climate change and the resulting need to change our non-sustainable lifestyle in the medium term. Connected to this is also the problem of the costs of ecological change and their distribution.
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this event is not a “classic congress”, but rather a dialogue; following an introductory discussion on the topics listed by Pope Francis in his speech at the award of the Charlemagne Prize:
• “Integration” (with fractures and lacerations both within and between EU Member States);
• “Dialogue” has been typical of our western democracies;
• “Capacity to generate” (what form of economic model we will need in the future).

** i forgot this (my bolds):

" But we believe that EU citizens, with their different experiences, their different expectations and with their rich and diverse capacities, should be brought back to the centre of “Project Europe” and be able to be its agents."

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #921 on: November 01, 2017, 04:45:20 PM »
The EOSDIS Worldview "Pole Hole" is getting large!
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #923 on: November 06, 2017, 07:12:06 PM »
Nature's Way


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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #924 on: November 15, 2017, 11:20:59 PM »
Vatican Radio

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Pope Francis was presented with the keys to a brand-new Lamborghini Huracan on Wednesday by officials from the luxury car maker.

The special edition car, however, will be auctioned off by Sotheby's in London and the proceeds given to four charities in Pope Francis' name.

Pope Francis blessed the car and signed the hood after receiving it in front of his Casa Santa Marta residence.

Sporting the papal colors - white with yellow-gold detailing - the Lamborghini Huracan's base price usually start at 183,000 euros but the specially-made papal car should bring far more at auction.

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« Reply #925 on: November 16, 2017, 10:05:07 PM »
Recently posted on Forum thread:

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Humanity desperately needs options other then corporately controlled google, youtube, social networks.  >:(
The same applies to mainstream media. Matter of survival of humanity.

Pope Francis‏Verified account @Pontifex, 8h8 hours ago:
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Poverty is not an accident. It has causes that must be recognized and removed for the good of so many of our brothers and sisters.
875 replies 17,428 retweets 51,975 likes


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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #926 on: November 17, 2017, 01:27:03 PM »
"Our Living Planet From Space"
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Life. It's the one thing that, so far, makes Earth unique among the thousands of other planets we've discovered. Since the fall of 1997, NASA satellites have continuously and globally observed all plant life at the surface of the land and ocean.

Credits: NASA Goddard

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #927 on: December 02, 2017, 01:40:00 AM »
Jimmy Dore serial w/Prof. Richard Wolff (already introduced here): a b cMore from Prof.

The newest: .

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« Reply #928 on: December 07, 2017, 10:37:58 PM »

Good stuff ivica!

Beginning at ~27 minutes in he explaines to Americans how Europeans, and in fact most of the world, are treated by employers thanks to governmental regulations. Almost as an aside he speaks of his experience with French healthcare professionals. It was almost an aside, or charts pointing to increased longevity, live birth statistics, or other successes would have been included in the medical segment.


My parents sold their Canadian enterprises to their employees back in the early 60's. Only one proved viable over the years, but it's still providing a livelihood to some families in Ontario more than half a century later.


Not Capitalism, not Communism, but a 3d way.
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« Reply #929 on: December 13, 2017, 11:38:05 AM »
3d way, yes! So that humanity escape hostage of the most greedy ppl on the planet.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #930 on: December 13, 2017, 12:46:05 PM »
Hello,

I've been following the discussions here for some years now, but this is my first post.

The 3rd way, excellent! That could solve many of our problems.
I just wish there was a list somewere of all the worker coops in the world so that I could choose to buy their products and services. That seem like a rather simple way to support such entrepises.

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« Reply #931 on: December 14, 2017, 01:24:14 PM »
Welcome
If you've been following for that time you'll know that we're generally quite a collegial bunch.


Although co-ops were springing up everywhere in California during the Vietnam War protesting era, the only place I've seen much of them since then has been in some of the more isolated regions in Canada.


Good luck with your hunt, and let us know if you have any luck finding, or starting? a list.
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #932 on: December 20, 2017, 03:02:53 PM »
As permafrost thaws, Western Alaska village cemeteries sink into swampland
The article describes (with pictures) what is happening and what they are and aren't doing about it.
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« Reply #933 on: December 20, 2017, 03:27:32 PM »
As permafrost thaws, Western Alaska village cemeteries sink into swampland
The article describes (with pictures) what is happening and what they are and aren't doing about it.
:o rembering the swamp bodies in northern Europe, in 5000 years some future archologist could be digging those out nd claiming these people were ritually murdered and cast in swamp. Or else, they were local chieftains who were honored by mummification.
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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #934 on: December 20, 2017, 09:37:56 PM »
Tomorrow, the 21st December, at 16.28 hrs GMT, 'tis the Solstice.
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« Reply #935 on: December 20, 2017, 10:08:23 PM »
Tomorrow, the 21st December, at 16.28 hrs GMT, 'tis the Solstice.

Finally! Now that we're gardening more and more, and also do building outside (having to stop early, because the sun is already down), we've become more aware of this natural cycle of shortening days. I really feel like celebrating that tomorrow is the shortest day!

Bar tender, bring me a colada with milk. On second thought, make that a water, HTO.

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« Reply #936 on: December 24, 2017, 12:08:05 AM »
350 000 Café views, whats our footprint? :o

xkcd: Earth Temperature Timeline

2 years ago, Vatican walls lit up to support climate change awareness:



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« Reply #937 on: December 25, 2017, 02:00:30 AM »
Merry Christmas, everyone!

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« Reply #938 on: December 25, 2017, 09:10:27 AM »
Merry Christmas and Happy Solstice!
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« Reply #939 on: December 25, 2017, 11:42:27 AM »
HO HO HO


Terry
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« Reply #940 on: December 25, 2017, 11:12:32 PM »
Terry, I hope you have a good holiday season . Re. Ain't life wonderful ? Well yes but looking into the future gets kinda depressing.
 Some Mexican friends dropped off some tamales and Budweiser . At least I get to drink here at home , my Mexican friends are stranded a thousand miles from their families. They are celebrating Christmas on Skype. 

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« Reply #941 on: December 26, 2017, 03:02:01 AM »
Thanks so much Bruce,
I dont always reply to your posts, but I do read them voraciously. Your interactions with animals, friends/customers, and itinerant Mexicans borders on the inspirational. Who could imagined pigs so lovingly raised that when their world caught fire they didn't panic, but waited patiently for their expected rescuer.


I spent the evening exchanging gifts and dinner with a small, but eclectic group.
A Serbian lass mourning the destruction of her culture. A Tasmanian student intent on becoming a Canadian citizen, or at least joining Canadian Mensa. A Polish lady who still hates Germany for what it did to her country, but who writes an entertainment column in a german language newspaper. Her daughter and son in law who make mainstream movies, but despair of the covert political messages they contain. An octogenarian, now reduced to catching and releasing female octogenarians when in season in Las Vegas, and of course my wonderful wife of 29 years.


The banter touched on the difference between Truth and Fact, and why Trump should be exalted or exiled. We explored the We vs Them concept and reached a rare consensus, that the problem predated our sapien ancestors and couldn't be solved, but that it could be sapiently modified and sanely mollified if sensibly approached.
We vilified America, Canada, Britain, and most of the Western World. I wasn't alone in praising Putin, an oddity in these times, but was backed to the wall in my defense of the FSM. Our lone Baptist faced similar obstacles against a plethora of atheists.


For hour after hour the BS, food, drink and gifts were examined, consumed, and shared. Everyone had moments when they shined, and everyone enjoyed the resultant glow that lit up our evening.


I'm beyond the passions that drove my youth. As striving for success, to succeed, even for secure subsistence, fade in the rear view mirror something new waits take their place.
To be entertaining, even as I'm entertained, isn't a lofty goal. But it's where I am. I've evolved into a bit of a raconteur, and it's enough. The days of Fighting the Man and Rallying the Troops is past.


A pleasant dinner surrounded by friends, an occasional appreciative glance or comment. These now are my raison d'etre, it's sufficient.
Terry

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #942 on: January 01, 2018, 01:18:12 AM »
Happy new year, amigas and amigos.  :)
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« Reply #943 on: January 01, 2018, 06:30:00 AM »
Happy New Year to you all.

Thanks Neven for this space on the Internet, it’s a service to humanity.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #944 on: January 01, 2018, 08:47:54 AM »
Have a better year than 2017 and 2016, folks. Proper winter is becoming non-existent here but a year with no snow has not yet happened. Wishing good year for sensible people and utter destruction of republicans in every election and their personal lives with a picture of a snow covered elm.
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A quantity relates to a quantum like camel's back relates to camel's _______ ? (back, vertebra, vertebral tendon, spinal disc, paralysis)

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #945 on: January 01, 2018, 01:54:26 PM »
We usually say "God Fortsättning" here, but since that doesn't exist in english; all the best for the new year. Winter is coming, I hope. Still autumn in most parts of southern Sweden though.
Omnia mirari, etiam tritissima.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #946 on: January 01, 2018, 02:49:19 PM »
All the very best for 2018 to all the this great place

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #947 on: January 04, 2018, 12:24:19 PM »
Physicists Aim to Classify All Possible Phases of Matter is nice Quanta magazine article for those who like to think about phases of matter. i like topological & combinatorial feeling & chalenges of it (with entanglement nonsense mod-ed out ;D ). :)
it is also nice brain relaxation item to counteract msm distractions.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #948 on: January 08, 2018, 02:47:23 AM »
The sound of a penguin falling, its sympathetic crew responding, and its gruff dismissal of pity is so far the audio hit of the year.
https://twitter.com/JeffElder/status/949739235501686784
Image below; brief video at the link. ;D
People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.

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Re: Arctic Café
« Reply #949 on: January 08, 2018, 08:54:01 AM »
So cute...