What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC

[Buddy]

I like your passion and enthusiasm.  We will need more of it in the coming months.

For sure.  I don't think that Trump knows what is coming his way.  Remember....he is used to running a SMALL ORGANIZATION.  This is NOT GE we're talking about.  He is used to getting HIS WAY....and everyone smiling and giving him adulation......he says frog, and people ask "how high".  THAT....is not what he is going to get from 70% of the electorate.  Remember....there are a LOT of people who didn't vote for Trump.  There is a LOT of HATE FOR HIM. 

But the men you listed, and their brethren, are not embarrassed by facts and intellectual arguments.  They all operate in the world of CT and the presumption that anyone not of the "conservative" or far right mindset is automatically the enemy and is invalid.  Having these folks in power is exactly what the US and world do not need right now.

I agree that they don't care about facts and intellectual arguments.  But I think you may be surprised as more and more people mock them and make fun of them...and as more and more people "jump ship" off the denial train.  It doesn't happen at once....but it continues to happen slowly.  Bill O'Reilly is just the latest person to jump off that train to nowhere.  But again...we are talking about people with BIG EGO'S...and just like Trump....he HATES BEING LAUGHED AT.  HE HATES IT.  And these folks will become the butt of jokes as time continues to pass.

The rest of the world is passing them by....and their attempt to save the coal industry, or save the oil industry WILL NOT WORK.....THE ECONOMICS DON'T MAKE SENSE.  THAT...is what is killing it, and will continue to kill fossil fuels.

[ritter]

Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting. 

[Juan C. García]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-environment_us_5833a0bbe4b099512f84763a

"It's official: Donald Trump's first hundred days will be horrible for the planet."

"He's writing his legacy in the first few weeks" 'The president who thought climate change was a hoax.'"

It is the same video that Budmantis posted before, but I have to say that I like the headline on the Washington Post: "Trump wants to lift restrictions on ‘clean coal.’ Whatever that is.". Also, it is good to read the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/22/trump-wants-to-lift-restrictions-on-clean-coal-whatever-that-is/?utm_term=.d1fd6b8b2487&wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1

[Sleepy]

Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting. 

Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers.

[budmantis]

Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting. 

Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers.

And be sure to keep a barf bag handy, just in case!

[Pmt111500]

Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting. 

Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers.

And be sure to keep a barf bag handy, just in case!

At least we can be happy USofD(umbfu...stan) is going to fall behind in getting profits from sensible energy production. Haha.

[Buddy]

This is why I am not as concerned as some folks.....that Trump will be able to trash the environment:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/11/30/akio-toyoda-puts-himself-and-3-lieutenants-in-charge-of-electric-car-drive/#383d5c2d9c12

Toyota is just the latest to seriously join the bandwagon of EV transportation.  As this continues to grow.....fossil fuel will be left behind.

Don't get me wrong....I don't think Trump will have NO EFFECT on the environment.  He will have a negative effect.  But as far as slowing down the move to renewable energy.....that train has left the station and there is no way to stop it.  Slow it down slightly in the US.....yes.  But businesses are moving too fast into that arena to slow it down much.  Dimwit Donnie doesn't see it....but businesses do.

Energy and transportation costs will continue to come down in coming years.  Now....200+ miles will be the standard minimum like the Bolt.  I expect that to expand to 300....400....500 in coming years.  And when that is coupled with more and more energy generation at HOME.....there is just too much power behind that move.....the power of ECONOMICS.

[Pmt111500]

https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/807802102416228352

Of course you may also want to archive the data to your home computer, preferably to one that's not in the internet, and alter the data headers for potential cyber attacks.

[Neven]

Here's a good video from the Jimmy Dore Show talking about the appointment of T-Rex Tillerson as Sec of State:

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[pileus]

At a macro level, IMO this is a good representation of the overwhelming momentum with renewables and market forces.  The FF industries and their cronies will certainly have new life injected from a Trump admin, but it will just be an unfortunate bump in the journey towards the future of energy. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/not-even-trump-can-easily-reverse-our-progress-on-climate-change/2017/01/16/3d719356-dc25-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.1269b8771d98

At a micro or local level, this an example of the tangible harm that Trump can enable with the extreme anti-environment and climate change denying GOP mindset.  The freedom to pollute and exploit resources is more important to the GOP than conserving and caring for the world around us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trumps-nominee-to-head-epa-has-opposed-the-chesapeake-bay-cleanup/2017/01/16/a881d408-d90a-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_bayclean-715pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b9dc8b1f61d5

[Pmt111500]

Denying there's a problem doesn't erase the problem. I think I'll yse this thread for politics since Turnip... Sorry Trump Drumpfkopf is not my president and not the president of the majority of the USA voters. The asshole should be removed from office if he at anytime finds it. Already he's lied about being the president for all people in US by removing facts from the white house website. My advice for politicians everywhere outside USA or rather DSM denierland is to not talk with so called US government officials on anything, or if it can't be avoided, use the Monty Python argument clinic methods with them to show the error of their ways.

[Pmt111500]

Aww how cute to defend proper language, it would be time to start ignoring people on the forum. Just to inform some who might be legitimately offended of my posts.

Please someone paint the White House black with coal dust on everyone in there a bit like in this false negative.

[pileus]

So we have this - no surprise of course, and the Saudis and others have rightfully waived this off, given how the global markets (currently) operate.  I've been cognizant of presidents talking about breaking away from Mideast oil since Carter, and realized since Bush the Elder that it was all a sham.  Only difference now is we'll get to observe the folly of this effort on steroids, while renewables and transformational technology continue to create escape velocity from FF. 

"Just after his inauguration on Friday, Trump said he was “committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests,” by exploiting “vast untapped domestic energy reserves”, according to a plan posted on the White House website."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-22/opec-shrugs-off-threat-of-trump-s-america-cutting-oil-imports

[Pmt111500]

The goal of shaving off 80 years off the dominant Gregorian calendar is proceeding with vigour. The great Trumpistan calendar will be announced exactly as planned. It'll be great, says the glorious leader. EPA is ordered to reset their numbers accordingly, thus they'll be essential in solving the issues about negros Trumpistan has recently had. Applied laws will be those of the new date, adapting the newer laws if they're deemed worthy by the People's represemtatives. That people are not People should be obvious.

(one humorist here said recently it's not anymore possible to be ironic/sarcastic for the reality is too much so)

[wili]

Perhaps you're thinking of: "No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."

From the inimitable Lily Tomlin, recently recognized for a lifetime achievement award.

[Pmt111500]

The always helpful negroes, the democrats, have come up with a proposal for a new flag for Trumpistan. This is all great, says the glorious leader. He will assign floggers for the mealymouthed jokesters. However, he thinks a new flag would be good for the land, the old one is over 200 years of age and all greatness has vanished from it during the false pretenders to the throne. Thus El Magnifico Presidente proclaims a competition to those in Trumpistan who can color a flag-shaped area without crossing borders, as this is prohibited, and personally selects via flag-selection committee the new flag for Trumpistan. As a warning to those trying to subtly mock the glorious leader, the offending flag is presented here. The good citicens may propose it again giving the symbols their proper meaning, and not those presented and not told here. Flogging will ensue if you do so.

[magnamentis]

The always helpful negroes, the democrats, have come up with a proposal for a new flag for Trumpistan. This is all great, says the glorious leader. He will assign floggers for the mealymouthed jokesters. However, he thinks a new flag would be good for the land, the old one is over 200 years of age and all greatness has vanished from it during the false pretenders to the throne. Thus El Magnifico Presidente proclaims a competition to those in Trumpistan who can color a flag-shaped area without crossing borders, as this is prohibited, and personally selects via flag-selection committee the new flag for Trumpistan. As a warning to those trying to subtly mock the glorious leader, the offending flag is presented here. The good citicens may propose it again giving the symbols their proper meaning, and not those presented and not told here. Flogging will ensue if you do so.

it's too nice, trumbistan diservers an ugly flag IMO :-)

[Pmt111500]

Leaked memo:
It appears that some foreign individuals in Comores or maybe communists want their land bombed to ocean, we are aware they're voiced some concerns about sea level rise due the nonexistant global warming, but we are happy to hasten the process. This is a aggrandissement (long words we can!) and an outstanding example of why the wall must be built.

https://whytrumpisgreat.com/

[Pmt111500]

Qummuneeque:
While We the President gladly welcome the fact that a negro democrat of West Virginia, Joe Man-Ching, has voted for the appointed chum of us to be the holdee of treasury, we still remind the law-obedient People of Trumpistan that the so called Senate is unlawful as it accepts also negros as voters. This should be corrected with the voter-suppression methods commonly used in the more loyal parts of the country.

[Buddy]

In a matter of weeks/months (likely months).....the title of this thread needs to be changed:

"What would a Paul Ryan presidency mean to combating AGW/CC?"

[Pmt111500]

With joy we note the offer of the temporary senate member Chuck Schumer to vote for the correct party in the next elections. He talks of 'bipartisanship' like it was a thing. He can rest assured we take up his offer to whiten his skin. However, if he does this, he'll be a traitor, and we do not deal with traitors. Chucky chum, let's get back to your infiltrationous ways of doing pollitics after midterms. You maybe a good laddie, but you really should know better that it's all the way or no way. You're however welcome to build the wall, but I'm afraid we can't afford to give you any machinery since your position on CC. Please report to your work-duty to Flynn, he's now in charge of the manual labor on the camp.

[Pmt111500]

The beloved Trumpistan leader notifies his subjects from this day on use of microwaves is forbidden. Be it cooking, cheffing, or measuring ice with chinese adjusted satellites. Melting is also forbidden. In fact, best you trash your old micro waves and buy a new secure one from the importer daughter. Those are great.

[Tom_Mazanec]

Eleven ways the Trump Administration has gutted environmental protections:
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-trump-administration-has-gutted-environmental-protections-2019-5

EDIT: Trump advisor says limiting CO2 is like the Shoah:
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-adviser-compares-carbon-dioxide-to-jewish-victims-of-the-nazis-1.7298998

EDIT 2:
Trump administration to press: Stop talking about AGW:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-press-stop-talking-about-climate-change-1442163

[Tom_Mazanec]

Administration blocks intelligence report warning on AGW:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/06/08/white-house-blocked-intelligence-aides-written-testimony-saying-human-caused-climate-change-could-be-possibly-catastrophic/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.679460ecddc9

EDIT:
Sec of State says people can move:
https://myfox8.com/2019/06/09/pompeo-downplays-climate-change-suggests-people-move-to-different-places/

Trump's EPA tries to water down regulations (but might be too incompetent):
https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/trump-administration-cant-actually-undermine-environmental-regulation-too-incompetent.html
and they cut states' power to deny permits:
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060510579

Trump wants 20 years for protesters:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-03/pipeline-protesters-could-face-20-year-sentence-under-trump-plan

EDIT 2:
House Dems push back to save Obama lightbulb rule:
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/449393-trump-administration-lightbulb-rollback-blocked-by-house-spending
and on the Trump coal policy:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/trump-s-biggest-move-to-end-war-on-coal-won-t-rescue-industry

EDIT 3:
Trump plan bad for climate:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/epa-finalizes-clean-power-plan-replacement and http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2019/06/19/study-shows-that-trumps-new-affordable-clean-energy-rule-will-lead-to-more-co2-emissions-not-fewer/#.XQu-DiApCUk
and won't rescue the coal industry:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Trump-s-Biggest-Move-to-End-the-War-on-14018158.php

EDIT 4:
Trump aide climate denialist:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/21/william-happer-trump-white-house-climate-crisis

[Tom_Mazanec]

Trump lowers fuel emissions standards:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article233113037.html
Trump's Interior Department sidelining scientists:
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/07/25/trumps-interior-department-is-sidelining-scientists-experts-warn-lawmakers-virginia-congressmen-skip-hearing/

[Tom_Mazanec]

What would a second term mean?
https://newrepublic.com/article/154539/trumps-reelection-doom-planet

[Tom_Mazanec]

Trump EPA appoints former oil executive:
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07082019/oil-executive-mcqueen-appointed-epa-region-administrator-texas-new-mexico-louisiana-oklahoma-arkansas-tribes

[Tom_Mazanec]

The Trump administration has rolled back more than 80 environmental regulations but some states are fighting back. No state has been more active in the resistance against Trump’s environmental deregulation efforts than California.
Our guest for our Trump on Earth podcast is Jared Blumenfeld, secretary for California EPA (Cal-EPA). We spoke to him just a few days before the deal between California and the automakers was announced, when those negotiations were still top secret.
https://www.alleghenyfront.org/california-v-trump/

AUG 20:
The 6 things you most need to know about Trump’s new climate plan
1) Trump’s EPA is regulating carbon because it has to, not because it wants to
2) The legal question at the heart of the dispute over CPP has never been decided by courts
3) ACE is so weak, it could potentially lead to higher emissions
4) Gutting New Source Review (which goes along with ACE) could also raise emissions
5) Even after torturing the numbers, the EPA couldn’t make ACE look like a good deal
6) We may have already reached the CPP’s 2030 goal; it’s time for more ambition, not less
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/8/19/20812243/trump-epa-climate-plan-ace-cpp-6-things

[Tom_Mazanec]

Donald Trump Skips G7 Session on Climate Change and Amazon Fires
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-skips-g7-session-on-climate-change-and-amazon-fires

President Trump was a no show at a crucial session on climate change, biodiversity, and the devastating fires ravaging the Amazon rainforest at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, on Monday. Trump’s chair was empty as leaders discussed developing a $20 million emergency fund to help countries affected by the Amazon fires. Trump aides had suggested earlier in the summit that the agenda set by French president Emmanuel Macron was meant to embarrass Trump by focusing on what they called “niche issues” like climate change and gender equality. When asked if he had attended, Trump told reporters, “We’re having it in a little while,” according to the Guardian. He then did not answer a reporter who informed him that the climate meeting had already ended. A White House spokesperson said a senior member of the Trump administration had attended instead.

[DrTskoul]

Another 4 years and it will be game over ....

[TerryM]

Another 4 years and it will be game over ....

Game!
This is no Game!
This is our Lives!


No one will shuffle the cards for the next hand.
We'll play the cards we've got &/or die trying.


Terry

[Tom_Mazanec]

6 major climate change rules the Trump administration is reversing
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/climate/climate-rule-trump-reversing.html

The move to rescind environmental rules governing emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, brings to 84 the total number of environmental rules that the Trump administration has worked to repeal. Officials at the White House, the Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies have called the regulations burdensome to the fossil fuel industry and other businesses.

Half of those environmental rollback attempts, like the new methane reversal, will undercut efforts by previous administrations to reduce emissions and fight climate change. Many of these efforts have been challenged in the courts; whether the administration will succeed in achieving all of its goals is far from certain. Here are some of the most significant climate-related reversals

Sep 2:
A new strategy on climate: Try to outlast Trump
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/30/trump-climate-strategy-1695813

“They’re just trying to wait it out and hope he’s not there next year,” said Alden Meyer, the director of strategy and policy with the Union of Concerned Scientists, who has participated in international climate meetings since 1991.

Many businesses oppose Trump’s deregulatory agenda. Here’s why
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/30/20840224/businesses-oppose-trump-deregulatory-agenda-rules

Business got what it wanted with Trump, but as my granddad used to say, they got more of what they wanted than they wanted. Now some big companies find themselves in the bewildering position of begging an administration for tougher rules. The businesses in question deserve no sympathy — lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas, etc. — but their strange lobbying inversion is quite revealing about the state of partisan politics and the disposition of the parties toward the business community.

[Tom_Mazanec]

Mick Jagger Condemns Trump Administration’s Climate Change Stance
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mick-jagger-trump-climate-change-venice-881402/

“We are in a very difficult situation at the moment, especially in the U.S., where all the environmental controls that were put in place – that were just about adequate – have been rolled back by the current administration so much that they are being wiped out,” Jagger said of the Trump administration. “The U.S. should be the world leader in environmental control but now it has decided to go the other way.”

[Tom_Mazanec]

Trump's long-term plan to destroy Obama's green legacy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-environment-obama-water-regulation-a9104966.html

The White House is not only overturning as many environmental protections as it can - it also wants to significantly change the legal landscape to make it harder to reinstate them. Lily Puckett reports

[Tom_Mazanec]

Pa. enviros assail Trump’s move to block states from setting tougher car emissions rules
https://www.penncapital-star.com/energy-environment/pa-enviros-assail-trumps-move-to-block-states-from-setting-tougher-car-emissions-rules/

President Donald Trump declared Wednesday that he’s revoking California’s ability to set tougher greenhouse gas standards for automobiles, a move his critics say will harm industry and hinder nationwide efforts to combat climate change.

“The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

[igs]

For those who don't like anything facebook, I understand but it's still funny (AND SAD) at the same time, no matter the source, so take it or leave it:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=770149340150151&id=908009612563863&sfnsn=scwspwa&extid=jGzKYisiY5slrRMT&d=w&vh=e

[nanning]

igs, the link you posted is not 'safe' because your personal id is in there somewhere and all visitors of the link will be linked to you by facebook. I haven't been able to 'repair' it though. If I leave out the "&id=.." string it will not work.

[igs]

igs, the link you posted is not 'safe' because your personal id is in there somewhere and all visitors of the link will be linked to you by facebook. I haven't been able to 'repair' it though. If I leave out the "&id=.." string it will not work.

a) thanks for the warning

b) it's not my facebook but still good to know and pay more attention to it in the future

c) I personally am not using facebook, also but not only for such reasons, thanks again.

d) I got the link from my wife hence I suspect it's hers or a friend's account, will check quickly.

Good point, very grateful


 

[KiwiGriff]

Long Time Climate Denier Appointed at NOAA

NPR:

David Legates, a University of Delaware professor of climatology who has spent much of his career questioning basic tenets of climate science, has been hired for a top position at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Legates confirmed to NPR that he was recently hired as NOAA’s deputy assistant secretary of commerce for observation and prediction. The position suggests that he reports directly to Neil Jacobs, the acting head of the agency that is in charge of the federal government’s sprawling weather and climate prediction work.

Neither Legates nor NOAA representatives responded to questions about Legates’ specific responsibilities or why he was hired. The White House also declined to comment.