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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1750 on: December 01, 2018, 09:51:06 PM »

It's embarrassing when a respected global newspaper launches a major investigative series and can't really nail the subject down. Neither can the people it interviews: Hillary Clinton, for example, admits she was "absolutely dumbfounded" by how Donald Trump ate her lunch every day during the 2016 presidential campaign. She still doesn't get it.

Shirley, you jest. (Airplane! 1980)

The Guardian is neither respected nor respectable. It should come delivered in a plain brown paper wrapper to protect it's recipient from the sneers of his neighbors. Keeping copies under the counter in news stands to protect minds of impressionable youths should be mandated.

Wrapping fish with it would spread the rot.
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One should therefore depend on - the Murdoch Newspapers? After all, the Wall Street Journal's reputation is well-deserved.


Fleet Street or Fleet Enemas, the results are now the same.


Our last heroic herald is being publicly pilloried at the Ecuadorian Embassy, unable to defend himself even as mental and moral midgets throw their crap at his legacy.


Murdoch's reputation has stained far greater publications than the WSJ, but the malodorous stench of anything Murdoch touches has been enough to drive off all but nastiest of beetles. The Guardian for decades promised fresh insights, now it too reeks of authoritative cynicism, designed to disinform the deludable.
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« Reply #1751 on: December 02, 2018, 05:18:00 PM »
"designed to disinform the deludable"

Terry, you are reaching new heights of alliterative, elocutionary excellence! :)
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« Reply #1752 on: December 05, 2018, 12:32:39 PM »
American journalist Walter Lippmann observed, “Where all think alike, no one thinks very much!”
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« Reply #1753 on: December 05, 2018, 04:31:04 PM »
Camille Paglia: ‘Hillary wants Trump to win again’

excerpt:

Is humanity losing its sense of humor?

As a bumptious adolescent in upstate New York, I stumbled on a British collection of Oscar Wilde’s epigrams in a secondhand bookstore. It was an electrifying revelation, a text that I studied like the bible. What bold, scathing wit, cutting through the sentimental fog of those still rigidly conformist early 1960s, when good girls were expected to simper and defer.

But I never fully understood Wilde’s caustic satire of Victorian philanthropists and humanitarians until the present sludgy tide of political correctness began flooding government, education, and media over the past two decades. Wilde saw the insufferable arrogance and preening sanctimony in his era’s self-appointed guardians of morality.

We’re back to the hypocrisy sweepstakes, where gestures of virtue are as formalized as kabuki. Humor has been assassinated. An off word at work or school will get you booted to the gallows. This is the graveyard of liberalism, whose once noble ideals have turned spectral and vampiric.

https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/
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« Reply #1754 on: December 06, 2018, 01:18:20 PM »
Because this is the only Democrats thread, latest news on Biden

"I think I’m the most qualified person in the country to be president. The issues that we face as a country today are the issues that I’ve worked on my whole life — the plight of the middle class and foreign policy," Biden told an audience in Montana, according to The Missoula Current. "But my family and I need to decide as a unit whether we’re ready — we do everything as a family."

Biden said his decision would come in the next six weeks to two months, according to a CNN report, in line with the timeline he offered when discussing his plans on Election Day.
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« Reply #1755 on: December 07, 2018, 09:54:23 PM »
ROI on politicians is the best:

" ... incoming Ways and Means Committee chair Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.), who has denounced Medicare for All as "not realistic" and will soon be in a position to tank healthcare plans that are unacceptable to his insurance industry donors."

"Neal will have near total control over what tax-related policies come to the House floor, including legislation that would create a Medicare for All healthcare system,"

"Neal—who has served as the top Ways and Means Democrat since 2016—has received more insurance industry cash throughout his career than any other member of the incoming Congress, including Republicans."

"Neal has relied on support from the health care industry, receiving $950,000 from health professionals and associations and $750,000 from the pharmaceutical industry."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/12/06/power-kneecap-bold-demand-incoming-democratic-tax-committee-chair-says-medicare-all

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« Reply #1756 on: December 09, 2018, 03:00:12 PM »
So, the first task for Democrats who are for a single payer health care system is to get rid of Richard Neal (D). The health care status quo's Billion Dollar Baby.


Remember back when the Republicans were the Party of Big Business?
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« Reply #1757 on: December 12, 2018, 02:48:56 AM »
Old & new News - Backgrounder on the DNC - Democratic (sic) Party Lawsuit against Wikileaks and Julian Assange by Jimmy Dore.

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DNC Threatens Press Freedom - Wikileaks Pushes Back Hard (30 mins)

"So you know that WikiLeaks exposed the DNC for the rigging of the 2016 primary .... and so instead of the DNC actually reforming itself which is what needs to happen it again does more stuff to distract people. It's suing WikiLeaks ....the DNC is suing a newspaper organization or a news organization, for literally reporting the truth..... now WikiLeaks is counter-suing them,

and so I just wanted to walk you through this because it's clear that most people don't understand what's going on in this case ..... over to the Committee to Protect Journalists right they have a website and they put out an article *by suing WikiLeaks the DNC could endanger principles of press freedom* it's written by Avi Asher Shapiro US correspondent for the CPJ."
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"So what they're do is they're criminalizing journalists having a point of view. That's what the DNC lawsuit is trying to do. [...] What (Goodale) is saying here is that what Julian Assange (of Wikileaks) was doing is normal journalistic activity. And now trying to criminalize that is the greatest threat to press freedom today.

"What's the greatest threat to press freedom today? Trump taking away Jim Acosta's microphone? Is it Trump telling a reporter that "that's a stupid question"? Is it Trump saying that "someone is doing fake news"? No, turns out the greatest threat to press freedom today comes directly from the Democratic National Committee.

"Ironic because if you just watch the mainstream news uncritically you would think it was Julian Assange. You would think it was the WikiLeaks. You would think it was Trump. You would think it was Trump as the greatest threat to press freedom today. Turns out it's their enemies. It's Trump's enemies (the DNC and Hillary Clinton et al ... who are the greatest threat to press freedom today!) Isn't that wild?" [...]


JD video url [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHsbA0YJdc]

References:
May 29, 2018 Committee to Protect Journalists
https://cpj.org/blog/2018/05/by-suing-wikileaks-dnc-could-endanger-principles-o.php

Dec 7 - WikiLeaks Asks Judge to Toss DNC Conspiracy Claims
https://www.courthousenews.com/wikileaks-asks-judge-to-toss-dnc-conspiracy-claims/

Legal Brief - MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT WIKILEAKS’S PRE-TRIAL MOTION TO DISMISS THE FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT
WikiLeaks also joins in the joint Memorandum of Law filed today on behalf of all defendants (“Defendants’ Joint Memo”)

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/WikiLeaksDNC.pdf

Dec 7 - News report - Wikileaks seeks Dismissal of DNC Lawsuit (sub)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/7/wikileaks-seeks-dismissal-dnc-lawsuit/

Law360 (December 10, 2018) -- The Trump campaign and WikiLeaks asked a New York federal court to toss the Democratic National Committee’s suit over a pre-election email hack, saying Friday that the suit runs counter to... (sub)

Greenwald in April
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/20/the-dncs-lawsuit-against-wikileaks-poses-a-serious-threat-to-press-freedom/

PBS April - The Democratic National Committee is claiming there was a broad conspiracy to aid Donald Trump’s presidential campaign by hacking and leaking stolen emails. How hard will that be to prove in court? William Brangham gets analysis from Susan Hennessey, executive editor of Lawfare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-dnc-lawsuit-could-become-a-powerful-tool

Politico: Sanders campaign withdraws lawsuit against DNC
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6478
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6320
Flag: Judge Throws Out Lawsuit Challenging Arizona’s Disastrous Primary (ThinkProgress)
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/30180

Comment:
You'd think that those who write the Laws would be capable of understanding those laws. Well of course they do. The DNC are intentionally "hand-waving" to falsely claim they have been 'harmed' by the actions of others - not their own actions - by presenting a false scenario that "the sky is falling!"

But they know precisely what they are up to and why. It's called using the Courts to intentionally intimidate, to bully, to wear down, and to harass other parties by Abusing the Power inherent in the DNC and those who support it. That Power resides in their Mega Wealth and in the established Institution it already is within America's deep psyche.

They know this. And so they use it. They can afford to waste donors money on frivolous Lawsuits they know are going to fail. So they do it. Why? Because they can get away with it. They can afford it. The "news value" and the "propaganda value" is worth every penny.

The Plausible Deniability for this is also shit easy as - "Oh we really thought we had a solid RICO conspiracy case. We think the judge is wrong and we are considering Appealing once we have the time for our Lawyers to properly vet the Judge's decision. Then I suspect we will be taking this Lawsuit against Wikileaks all the way to the Supreme Court if we have too."

That will get reported for 24-48 hours all over the MSM ... and not anything else. Shit easy this stuff. It's as easy as making up some Fake News! ;)
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1758 on: December 12, 2018, 07:08:50 PM »
Old & new News - Backgrounder on the DNC - Democratic (sic) Party Lawsuit against Wikileaks and Julian Assange by Jimmy Dore.

Here's the video Lurk refers to. I find it amazing that the DNC is suing Wikileaks, and even more amazing that hardly any journalist is reporting on this threat to their profession. This stuff is really nuts, and underscores how big a hurdle Corporate Democrats are to meaningful change:

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« Reply #1759 on: December 14, 2018, 02:32:06 AM »
More on sidd's story here:

https://gritpost.com/health-lobbyists-centrist-democrats/?fbclid=IwAR1VJJmaTVjIhsppMeRRYvQhfmh-x01opfwEvLCyJ54NBVip1MgJZf5mEgc

Health Insurance Lobbyists Team Up with Centrist Democrats to Crush Medicare for All

(I think the phrase should be 'gang up' and the object of 'crush' should simply be 'all of us'!  >:( )
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« Reply #1760 on: December 14, 2018, 08:47:42 AM »
What's New in Climate Change Acceptance and Action? (Cop24 Kevin Anderson Hugh Hunt)
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1364.msg184085.html#msg184085

This is also new ... though am unsure if it marks any significant change from the norm:

Democrats Betray Environment and 'rational' Climate Action by Appointing Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia as the Democratic Ranking-member of the Senate Energy Committee.

This 'appears' completely at odds with any plan for real climate action. The West Virginia senator's promotion was ratified Tuesday evening by members of the Senate Democratic caucus for the next term of Congress.

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« Reply #1761 on: December 14, 2018, 09:49:45 AM »
Apparently primary elections are every bit as important as the elections themselves.


2020 and the primaries preceding it are going to present problems to anyone with even a slightly progressive agenda.
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« Reply #1762 on: December 15, 2018, 03:46:28 PM »
Democrats Betray Environment and 'rational' Climate Action by Appointing Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia as the Democratic Ranking-member of the Senate Energy Committee.

I'm sure there is a reasonable-sounding explanation, but stuff like this really baffles me. And right out in the open too.
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« Reply #1763 on: December 16, 2018, 10:02:50 PM »
Correction. What baffles me, is that other people don't seem to see it:

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