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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1900 on: April 15, 2019, 07:49:51 AM »
Have you considered the possibility that maybe it's not the mainstream media and the entire population of the USA, but instead YOU are the one who is brainwashed ?

Yes, entirely possible. I'm well aware of my limitations. My type of brain can only go so far.

But I'm basing what I say on the writings and words of people that to me score very high on things like wisdom and integrity, so many of them, and what they're saying makes so much sense, that it can't all be wrong.

That explains why we differ in opinion about so many things :

I'm a fact checker.
I don't base my opinion on what people say and the 'wisdom' or 'integrity' that I think they have.

Instead I ask for evidence, look at the facts and then use logic and reasoning to form my opinion.

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I mean "fascist deep state" ?
Are you serious ?

Yes, very serious. Have you seen who your president is? Are you aware of the history of your intelligence agencies? Do you know that your country has started illegal wars around the world, is still engaged in them, and pushes for new ones? Do you know that your country hosts the largest penal colony in the world, consisting mostly of males from ethnic minorities for minor offenses? Do you know that you are effectively living in a surveillance state? Do you know that the influence of corporate entities on your government and politics is so large that it's really difficult to deny the fascismness?

Just the fact that you are living the American Dream, doesn't mean you do not live in a fascist deep state. As a self-proclaimed progressive lefty, it should be so easy for you to acknowledge this, or to acknowledge the point and add some context or nuance. But you can't, because you're not a progressive/lefty. You're that guy from the techno-managerial class who gets rewarded so handsomely by the system and Democrats are pandering to, instead of to the majority of the US, the workers and the poor.

The silence on Assange is deafening. God, it's so easy for Corporate Democrats to block any meaningful change, with so many cowards around. Especially the old ones, as they don't have anything to lose, even though they gained so much from the system that will make the lives of those who come behind them, misery.

OK. That's enough.

When I joined this forum and your blog, I thought we had a common goal of fighting AGW denial by using facts and logic.

It took me a while, but I now realize that you are fighting different issues and you use not reason and logic, but anger (against the US and liberals and democrats and other fact checkers like Bellingcat and capitalism and MSM) to form your opinion, and you then fight the facts whenever they contradict your preconceived extremist world view (fascist deep state, brainstormed US population, innocent Assad, innocent Russia etc etc).

And since I challenge that world view with facts, your posts became increasingly personal against me.

As a result, I feel that my contributions to this forum became counter productive.
So good luck resolving your issues with Lurk on your side, because I'm out of here.

This time for good.

P.S. Stop telling that you like Bernie. I like Bernie and what he says and does not say. And it does not match with what you say.
Your ideas are much more in line with Tulsi Gabbard.
And Tulsi is NOT progressive.
Just check the facts on that.
This is our planet. This is our time.
Let's not waste either.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1901 on: April 15, 2019, 10:17:18 AM »
All the best, Rob.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1902 on: April 15, 2019, 05:29:21 PM »
Good 'Un agreeing with Trump on Ilhan Omar, but not on his use of sacred 9/11 images. Also good to see her resist, I mean kiss Trump. Good 'Un, as in good at raising funds from fellow out-of-touch millionaires who expect something in return.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1903 on: April 15, 2019, 05:52:18 PM »
Stop blaming victims for doing this kind of stuff:

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1904 on: April 15, 2019, 10:12:04 PM »
Sanders fights back a bit against those who demand unity and then smear progressives:

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1905 on: April 15, 2019, 11:47:37 PM »
Atcheson at commondreams sees Trump getting re-elected: it's all about the no shows

" the real prize in electoral politics is the no shows ...96 million didn’t bother to vote "

"Democrats win when turnout is high; Republicans win when turnout is low."

"To get some of the no-shows on board, you’d have to run a campaign centered on the people’s interest, not the monied interests."

" Trump voters aren’t voting for anything, their voting against the status quo."

"And all those cynics are right. The system is rigged."

"No wonder people are cynical. No wonder “no-show” has won every vote since World War II. "

"The majority of Americans overwhelmingly back progressive policies,"

" instead of adopting the obvious winning strategy, neoliberals are waging a war on progressives."

"Trump’s supporters don’t care how bad he is. They just care that he’s assaulting the powers that be. "

"the reason that the neoliberal establishment doesn’t adopt the obvious strategy for winning back the White House and the Senate while retaining the House is simple. They got where they are by serving the interests of the rich, the elite, and corporations. "

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/04/15/why-us-elected-despot-and-why-its-poised-do-it-again

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1906 on: April 16, 2019, 11:17:33 AM »
Plastic Pelosi, enemy of the people, friend of the donors, corrupt to the core, only interested in obstructing the new generation and manipulating out-of-touch CNN seniors, rather having Trump as president than Sanders or Warren:







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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1907 on: April 16, 2019, 05:19:04 PM »
Pelosi is not one of the good 'uns. Unless you're wealthy. She is most certainly an elitist peddling stale, moldy crumbs to the commoners.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1908 on: April 16, 2019, 11:20:20 PM »
Daou agonistes: Clintonista recants

"My rhetorical fights with the Sanders campaign over Clinton’s personal character were seen by some progressives as an attack on their principles. They were certainly not intended that way. And in the years since, I’ve worked diligently to heal the wounds, to reach out to those I argued with, to move beyond 2016"

but:

"the intractable disagreements from the bitter 2016 primary will never be resolved. Ever. "

he goes on:

"I supported Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez"

"The half-measures, watered down policies, and empty platitudes that Democratic politicians have become accustomed to over the years won’t cut it"

"For me, going left is going back to core American values and principles. "

"Progressive positions are the morally correct ones. "

ends with a quote from Tayari Jones: “There is nothing inherently virtuous about being neither here nor there . . . What is halfway between moral and immoral?”

Read it at:

https://peterdaou.com/go-left-dems/

I don't trust the guy,looks like another rat leaving the sinking ship. But who knows, stranger things have happened.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1909 on: April 16, 2019, 11:28:31 PM »
There's a funny Twitter feed that spoofs Peter Daou, often mentioned by Jimmy Dore: Peter Douche's Liaison
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1910 on: April 18, 2019, 12:06:49 AM »
Moore on Pelosi: "old, tired, privileged ways"

"Nobody likes giving up power. And they never see the writing on the wall."

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/439064-michael-moore-slams-pelosi-after-60-minutes-interview-her-old-tired

There is an interview linked there that is worth reading:

https://www.thenation.com/article/michael-moore-how-democrats-paved-the-way-to-trump/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1911 on: April 18, 2019, 01:42:19 PM »
"...disturbing if true...", indeed!

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1912 on: April 18, 2019, 02:48:15 PM »
I think the biggest take from that video is that the DNC is worried that they cannot control and influence Sanders, like they could any other candidate.  The Republican party had this same issue back in 2016, and tried vehemently to stop Trump from securing the nomination.  They failed, and the party has little control over the presidency today. 

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« Reply #1913 on: April 18, 2019, 02:59:14 PM »
I couldn't agree more, Kat. *waves*

And this is why i support him, he is so consistent and stubborn on the issues, he knows in his bones that he is right, he is the least corruptible of all of them. This scares the hell out of Washington.

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« Reply #1914 on: April 18, 2019, 03:02:09 PM »
I couldn't agree more, Kat. *waves*

And this is why i support him, he is so consistent and stubborn on the issues, he knows in his bones that he is right, he is the least corruptible of all of them. This scares the hell out of Washington.

Almost as much as Trump scared the hell out of Washington.  Image what would happen if they ran against each other in 2020? 

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« Reply #1915 on: April 18, 2019, 03:16:36 PM »
The non-fake populist would win IMHO.

Trump promised so much pre-2016. He ran as a populist and this bought him the election [1].

Turns out he didn't drain the swamp. On the contrary, he exposed the country for its cleptocracy that it is. What former presidents did intelligently behind the curtain, he pulled out for everyone to see.

People might have noticed...


[1] and the racist dog whistling of course. I think Sanders can activate more votes from majorities and young people than Trump can activate from racist voters.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1916 on: May 06, 2019, 06:43:18 AM »
Money makes the world go round: 175K USD + commitments to campaign for DNC + raise money for DNC to buy voter lists

Thats gonna go over real good in midwest. Those state parties still hate the DNC for the 2016 gig, got screwed outta money, was funnelled straight to Hilary.

"candidates will also be asked to record a short video in support of the DNC"

"candidates who use the voter file will continue raising money for the party even after they drop out of the race"

"Sanders ... has not yet agreed to the DNC conditions"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/dnc-voter-file-2020-campaigns

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1917 on: May 12, 2019, 04:56:54 AM »
I recently watched the 2014 documentary series on Netflix - Award-winning documentarian Ken Burns profiles three members of one of America's premier political families: Theodore, Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.

Ken Burns: The Roosevelts: An Intimate History
https://www.netflix.com/title/80013283

It's quite long with 2 hour episodes but worth it imho. I could not stop being constantly reminded of today, recent years and the near future. It's as if nothing has changed in over 120 years.

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           that you failed to learn
                    presented once again,
so where you made a faulty choice before
          you can now make a better one,
              and thus escape all pain
that what you chose before
       had brought to you."


A COURSE IN MIRACLES

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« Reply #1918 on: May 22, 2019, 06:24:56 AM »
Look at all those Democrat warmongers:

"Hundreds of members of the U.S. Congress signed a letter to President Donald Trump on Monday arguing that the United States should remain engaged with the conflict in Syria"

"The lead signers of the letter were the Democratic chairman and ranking Republican of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, Representatives Eliot Engel and Mike McCaul, and the Republican chairman and ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senators Jim Risch and Bob Menendez. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-usa/hundreds-of-u-s-lawmakers-ask-trump-administration-for-syria-strategy-idUSKCN1SQ2AU

Engel and our old friend, Menendez. The first from NY and the second from NJ. Need primarying.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1919 on: May 22, 2019, 10:35:26 PM »
Every presidential candidate for 2020 except Warren and Sanders is sucking on Wall Street teat:

" “In the past, there was no candidate who didn’t come to New York, Chicago, L.A. for money,” says Lasry. “Today, there are two candidates who aren’t doing that—Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.”  "

"Buttigieg, Biden, Gillibrand, and Booker are meeting with bankers and investors to talk policy or raise money. Those four campaigns didn't respond to requests for comment. "

"Buttigieg, Myers has had John Hickenlooper, the ex-governor of Colorado, and Jay Inslee, Washington’s governor, drop by his office for what he calls policy lunches. He says the idea isn’t to get them to go easy on Wall Street. What he really wants is to resist what he sees as the party’s socialist tilt while fighting Trump. "

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-21/democrats-cozy-up-to-wall-street-while-shunning-corporate-cash

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1920 on: June 10, 2019, 06:48:25 AM »
Laura Ingraham and Bob Luntz are the funniest ones on this segment:

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1921 on: June 11, 2019, 08:27:35 AM »
Via Sceptical Science: the DNC will not debate, but will blacklist candidates discussing publicly about CC and AGW. Could fit into threads https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1110.0.html or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1364.0.html, but this isn't news and all of them are not 100% behind BAU, only maybe 95%

 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/climate-change-debate-democrats-2020-primary-846376/
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1922 on: June 11, 2019, 08:36:27 AM »
Every presidential candidate for 2020 except Warren and Sanders is sucking on Wall Street teat:

Sadly, Warren said she would take corporate money after the primaries.

Leaves only Bernie on the table.

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« Reply #1923 on: June 11, 2019, 08:38:51 AM »

Ken Burns: The Roosevelts: An Intimate History


Thanks for the tip! Is on my watchlist now.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1924 on: June 11, 2019, 11:25:56 AM »
It's The Corruption Stupid


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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1925 on: June 12, 2019, 01:20:27 AM »
Wait, what ? Cortez wants a pay raise for Congress ?

"Members have made $174,000 per year since 2009 ..."

The reason for a raise: they are taking too many bribes already.

" avoiding incentives for representatives and senators to accept cash from lobbyists and approve tax cuts for their wealthy donors "

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/11/not-popular-position-consistent-one-fight-corruption-capitol-hill-ocasio-cortez

Fuck that noise. They should be making the median wage for people living in DC. And the same options for medical insurance.

Amazing how quickly Cortez got co-opted.

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« Reply #1926 on: June 12, 2019, 07:56:16 AM »
Sidd,

this is a highly complex topic. I haven't made my mind about that yet, but there are good and pragmatic arguments to pay governmental staff above average.

If you want highly skilled people for the government you need to offer higher pay as they could expect in the private economy. This should apply to any kind of governmental staff.

The government should only employ people who are extraordinary in their field. Morons in high positions can do a lot of damage to society and trust. Only a society that trusts the government can be a healthy society.

I find AOCs argument naive though. High salaries would not make anyone corruption prove. As if people don't want more money even if they already have a high salary. The corruption problem can only be solved if you make it illegal to take corporate money. Drop dead simple.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1927 on: June 12, 2019, 08:17:07 AM »
Re:  highly skilled people for the government

We don't have em anyway. What we got are crooks. As Twain pointed out more than a century ago, "There is no native criminal class except Congress." These guys (and gals) are crooks. They betray the electorate immediately after election.

Agreed that it is simple to make bribery illegal. Except you will notice that congress exempted themselves from insider trading laws. Isn't that special.

Least we can do is make electoral office no better paid than median. Mebbe that will get rid of some of the leeches.

They are getting a hundred and seventy four K USD a year. Should be enuf for anybody, especially for a barmaid, even one from NYC.

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« Reply #1928 on: June 12, 2019, 08:32:50 AM »
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What we got are crooks.

I know man, i know. This is why your country is producing libertarians... ;)

I think this underlines my argument. Something has to change.

For example, you cannot just elect judges! Becoming a judge should require you to be the best lawyer in your class.

In the current system, the incentives are all over the place, but only one incentive should count: Serving the people.



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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1929 on: June 16, 2019, 06:13:03 AM »
Democrats who wanna keep funding ISIS:

"Every Democrat voted to stop arms sales, except for seven: Sens. Doug Jones, D-Ala., Angus King, I-Maine, Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., Jon Tester, D-Mont., and Mark Warner, D-Va."

"These seven Democrats apparently agree with the overwhelming majority of Republicans that allowing U.S. weapons to end up in the hands of ISIS and al Qaeda is worth whatever security benefit the United States allegedly gets from these exchanges."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-senate-basically-just-voted-to-arm-isis-with-your-tax-dollars

My tax dollars going to terrorist and these scum cool with that.

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« Reply #1930 on: June 20, 2019, 05:38:32 AM »
Engel getting primaried. Excellent.

"voted for an unjust war in Iraq, deregulating Wall Street, school privatization, and building more prisons"

And a challenger against establishment in Queens:

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/19/tiffany-caban-queens-district-attorney-race-endorsements/

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« Reply #1931 on: June 20, 2019, 05:59:54 AM »
"voted for an unjust war in Iraq, deregulating Wall Street, school privatization, and building more prisons"

You got to love all these radical lefties from the Democratic party...

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« Reply #1932 on: June 24, 2019, 09:50:47 PM »
USAToday op ed by Prabhu on the schism in the Democratic party:

" For many years, they’ve been the party of the rich playing a good game of pretending to be for the little guy.  "

"But all this worked until 2016, but can’t be pulled off anymore.  The Democratic establishment wing  is still either clueless or stubborn, but they want good ol’ Joe Biden to come to the rescue and Make Oligarchic America Great Again."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/23/democratic-party-civil-war-donald-trump-column/1525623001/

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