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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1250 on: May 09, 2018, 08:08:11 PM »
Another tell will be torturer in chief confirmation: Greenwald challenges Democrats to stop Haspel:

"That Trump chose someone with one of the most gruesome torture histories to lead the CIA is certainly revealing about who he is. And if the Democrats cannot unite to stop that, that will be further evidence of what they are."

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/08/will-democrats-unite-to-block-trumps-torturer-gina-haspel-as-cia-chief-if-not-what-do-they-resist/

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« Reply #1251 on: May 09, 2018, 09:49:18 PM »
From the article sidd posted, something we've discussed here as well:

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The ruse Democrats typically use to accomplish these dirty deeds is quite ingenious: The defectors change so that no one member bears the blame for enabling right-wing measures, while the party itself is able to claim that a majority opposed the extremism. In 2010 — as the Bush-era tactic of Democratic defections to the GOP continued under Barack Obama — I referred to this tactic as “Villain Rotation” and described it this way:

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The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation.  They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it.  One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.
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« Reply #1252 on: May 09, 2018, 11:26:51 PM »
Villain number one: first one as expected is Manchin:

"I have found Gina Haspel to be a person of great character. "

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386954-manchin-becomes-first-democrat-to-back-haspel

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« Reply #1253 on: May 10, 2018, 12:09:32 AM »

Chicago's Rahm Emanuel wants to allow the police to fly drones with facial recognition capabilities over protesters without so much as a warrent- much to the disgust of the ACLU.


https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/aclu-sounds-the-alarm-about-bill-allowing-use-of-drones-to-monitor-protesters/


Lots of civil rights issues here.


The bill is sadly sponsored by two Chicago Democrats
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« Reply #1254 on: May 10, 2018, 06:12:08 PM »
Manchin might b in trouble: turnout down, lost a lot of votes to Swearengin. Lets see if the ewpublicans knock him off in November. Given the choice between a Democrat acting republican and a real republican, voters usually pick the latter.

" New York Times, for example, wrote: “Also worrisome for Mr. Manchin were the number of Democratic voters who supported his primary opponent, who ran a nominal campaign. He lost about 30 percent of the vote and did even worse in some of the state’s coal counties, which are full of the sort of ancestral Democrats he will need to hold onto in November.”"

Some mil-ind Democrats made it thru the primaries:

"Ojeda is one of four candidates with military-intelligence backgrounds who won Democratic congressional nominations on Tuesday."

"he Second Congressional District of West Virginia, former Clinton State Department official Talley Sergent"

"In the Seventh Congressional District of Ohio, Kenneth Harbaugh, a former Navy pilot"

"13th Congressional District of North Carolina, Marine Corps veteran Dan McCready"

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/10/prim-m10.html

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« Reply #1255 on: May 10, 2018, 08:04:06 PM »
Too bad Swearengin lost to that low-life criminal, I liked her. Amazing that more people didn't vote for her, but also quite amazing how many votes she got when you look at money raised and spent.

All these paragraphs are interesting wrt to this thread:

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Despite the incessant claims that West Virginia is a “red state,” supposedly proven by Trump’s 42-point victory margin over Clinton in 2016, more people voted in the Democratic primary than in the hotly contested Republican primary, 160,000 to 136,000. The incumbent Democrat, Joe Manchin, defeated a relatively unknown challenger, Paula Jean Swearengin, by 70 percent to 30 percent.

The Democratic contest was significant because Swearengin was opposing Manchin as a self-proclaimed progressive, calling for Medicare for all and professing support to the strike by 30,000 teachers and other education workers that shut down schools statewide for nine days in March. Swearengin, who prominently displayed a photograph of herself with Bernie Sanders on her web site, won 48,302 votes, more than the 47,571 votes for Morrissey, the winner of the Republican primary, and nearly double the 27,153 votes for Blankenship.

The fundraising disparity was equally remarkable: Manchin raised $5 million and spent nearly $1.4 million on the primary campaign, compared to only $184,000 for Swearengin, an accounting clerk from a coal-mining family in southern West Virginia. In addition to the $3.5 million from Blankenship, Morrissey spent $1.3 million and Jenkins, who finished second, spent $1.5 million. Swearingen spent less than $5 for every vote she received, compared to Blankenship’s $130 per vote.

The national media has barely reported the vote for Swearengin. The New York Times, for example, wrote: “Also worrisome for Mr. Manchin were the number of Democratic voters who supported his primary opponent, who ran a nominal campaign. He lost about 30 percent of the vote and did even worse in some of the state’s coal counties, which are full of the sort of ancestral Democrats he will need to hold onto in November.”

The Times did not even name his opponent or explain that the votes Manchin lost were an indication of a shift to the left among sections of working people. This was already seen in the large vote for Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary in West Virginia, which Sanders worked to divert behind the campaign of Hillary Clinton.

Bad journalism, but good for the establishment.
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« Reply #1256 on: May 13, 2018, 12:19:14 AM »
"A top Bernie Sanders official is asking Democratic leaders, including Hillary Clinton, to sign a draft letter recommitting to vastly shrinking of effectively eliminating the party's controversial 'superdelegates' system -- and ultimately changing the presidential nominating process."
taken from The Humanist Report: Bernie Corners Democrats, Makes Them PROVE They Care About Democracy



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« Reply #1257 on: May 13, 2018, 03:21:40 AM »
Is this what a message from non corporate Democrat sounds like ?



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"Their pro-gun policies have resulted in dead children, dead mothers and dead fathers," says Democratic congressional candidate Pat Davis.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/pat-davis-congress_us_5af5d9a4e4b0e57cd9f943d9


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« Reply #1258 on: May 13, 2018, 09:02:22 AM »
I'd hope a real progressive would first talk about universal healthcare, free college, livable wages, ending the wars, global warming. And then talk about identity politics, a ban on semi-automatic guns, etc. Because otherwise you're making it difficult for all those people who voted for Obama, and then Trump (in other words, who want real change, and not just to fuck the NRA).

But who is Pat Davis? Is he a real progressive?
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« Reply #1259 on: May 13, 2018, 09:39:15 PM »
Another one for the list: Joe Donnelly D-Indiana has no problem with a torturer for CIA head.

"The Indiana Democrat also pointed to Haspel's backing from former CIA directors John Brennan, Michael Hayden and Leon Panetta in explaining his support for her"

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/387405-donnelly-announces-support-for-trumps-cia-pick-gina-haspel

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« Reply #1260 on: May 13, 2018, 10:59:08 PM »
Chris Hedges makes a point: No change until people are ready to get out on the streets and go to jail:

He quotes Bob Moses:

"This is your country. Look what’s going on in your country. What do you want to do about it?"

"In guerrilla warfare, you have a community you can disappear into and emerge from. That’s what we had"

"Too often protests are little more than spectacles, credentialing protesters as radicals or dissidents while doing little to confront the power of the state. The state, in fact, often collaborates with protesters, carrying out symbolic arrests choreographed in advance. This boutique activism is largely useless. Protests must take the state by surprise and, as with the water protectors at Standing Rock, cause serious disruption. When that happens, the state will drop all pretense of civility, as it did at Standing Rock, and react with excessive force."



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No leader, no matter how talented and visionary, effectively defies power without a disciplined organizational foundation. The civil rights movement was no more embodied in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. than the socialist movement was embodied in Eugene V. Debs. As the civil rights leader Ella Baker understood, the civil rights movement made King; King did not make the civil rights movement. We must focus on building new, radical movements that do not depend on foundation grants, a media platform or the Democratic Party or revolve around the cult of leadership. Otherwise, we will remain powerless. No leader, no matter how charismatic or courageous, will save us. We must save ourselves.

“You didn’t see me on television, you didn’t see news stories about me,” said Baker, who died in 1986. “The kind of role that I tried to play was to pick up pieces or put together pieces out of which I hoped organization might come. My theory is, strong people don’t need strong leaders.”

All of our radical and populist organizations, including unions and the press, are decimated or destroyed. If we are to successfully pit power against power we must reject the cult of the self, the deadly I-consciousness that seduces many, including those on the left, to construct little monuments to themselves. We must understand that it is not about us. It is about our neighbor. We must not be crippled by despair. Our job is to name and confront evil. All great crusades for justice outlast us. We are measured not by what we achieve but by how passionately and honestly we fight. Only then do we have a chance to thwart corporate power and protect a rapidly degrading ecosystem.

What does this mean?

It means receding into the landscape to build community organizations and relationships that for months, maybe years, will be unseen by mass culture. It means beginning where people are. It means listening. It means establishing credentials as a member of a community willing to make personal sacrifices for the well-being of others. It means being unassuming, humble and often unnamed and unrecognized. It means, as Cornel West said, not becoming “ontologically addicted to the camera.” It means, West went on, rejecting the “obsession with self as some kind of grand messianic gift to the world.”

One of the most important aspects of organizing is grass-roots educational programs that teach people, by engaging them in dialogue, about the structures of corporate power and the nature of oppression. One cannot fight what one does not understand. Effective political change, as Baker knew, is not primarily politically motivated. It is grounded in human solidarity, mutual trust and consciousness. As Harriet Tubman said: “I rescued many slaves, but I could have saved a thousand more if the slaves knew they were slaves.” The corporate state’s assault on education, and on journalism, is part of a concerted effort to keep us from examining corporate power and the ideologies, such as globalization and neoliberalism, that promote it. We are entranced by the tawdry, the salacious and the trivial.

The building of consciousness and mass organizations will not be quick. But these mass movements cannot become public until they are strong enough to carry out sustained actions, including civil disobedience and campaigns of noncooperation. The response by the state will be vicious. Without a dedicated and organized base we will not succeed.

Bob Moses was the director of the Mississippi Project of the SNCC (Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee) in the early 1960s when that group organized to register black voters. Most blacks had been effectively barred from voting in Mississippi through poll taxes, literacy tests, residency requirements and other barriers. Moses, like many organizers, was beaten and arrested. Blacks who attempted to register to vote were threatened, harassed, fired from their jobs, physically attacked and even murdered.

“In essence, it was low-grade guerrilla warfare,” Moses said recently at an event at Princeton University, in New Jersey. “In guerrilla warfare, you have a community you can disappear into and emerge from. That’s what we had. We had a group of local activists who had been a part of the NAACP local organizations and who had a different sense after World War II. They were our base. I can go any place, any time of the night, knock on a door. Somebody was going to open it up, give me a bed to sleep in, feed me. They were going to watch my back.”

“We had a guerrilla community that we could disappear into and then emerge to take some people down to the battleground, the courthouse in some local town with people trying to register to vote,” he said. “At that point, you were exposed and possibly open to some danger. The danger came in different ways. There were the highway patrols, which the state organized. Then there were the local sheriffs. Then there’s the Klan citizens. Different levels of danger. The challenge is to understand that you are not always in danger. Those who couldn’t figure that out didn’t last. They didn’t join.”

“In guerrilla warfare, you have to have an end,” he said. “You learn that from people in the guerrilla base who had been fighting and figuring out how to survive and thrive in a guerrilla struggle. The only way to learn that is to immerse yourself. There’s no training. In Mississippi, most of the people who did that were young, 17, 18, 19. And they lived there.”

Organizing, Moses said, begins around a particular issue that is important to the community—raising the minimum wage, protecting undocumented workers, restoring voting rights to former prisoners, blocking a fracking site, halting evictions, ending police violence or stopping the dumping of toxic waste in neighborhoods. Movements rise organically. Dissidents are empowered and educated one person at a time. Any insurgency, he said, has to be earned.

“If you get knocked down enough times and stand up enough times then people think you’re serious,” he said. “It’s not you talking. They’ve heard everyone talk about this forever. We earned their trust. We earned the respect of young people across the country to get them to come down and risk their lives. This is your country. Look what’s going on in your country. What do you want to do about it? We established our authenticity.”

Moses warned movements, such as Black Lives Matter, about establishing a huge media profile without a strong organizational base. Too often protests are little more than spectacles, credentialing protesters as radicals or dissidents while doing little to confront the power of the state. The state, in fact, often collaborates with protesters, carrying out symbolic arrests choreographed in advance. This boutique activism is largely useless. Protests must take the state by surprise and, as with the water protectors at Standing Rock, cause serious disruption. When that happens, the state will drop all pretense of civility, as it did at Standing Rock, and react with excessive force.

“You can’t be a media person [the subject of media reports] and an organizer,” Moses said. “If you’re leading an organization, it’s what you do and who you are that impacts the people who you are trying to get to do the organizing work. If what they see is your media presence, then that’s what they also want to have. It’s overwhelming to be a media person in this country. To attend to the duties of being a media person, the obligations that follow a media person, really means that you can’t attend to the obligations of actually doing organizing work. Once SNCC decided it needed a media person, it lost its organizing base. It disintegrated and disappeared. You can’t do both.”

The mass mobilizations, such as the Women’s March, have little impact unless they are part of a campaign centered around a specific goal. The goal—in the case of SNCC, voter registration—becomes the organizing tool for greater political consciousness and eventually a broader challenge to established power. People need to be organized around issues they care about, Moses said. They need to formulate their own strategy. If strategy is dictated to them, then the movement will fail.

“People need to figure out for themselves what they want to do about a problem,” Moses said. They need “agency.” They do not get agency, he said, “by listening to somebody tell them things.”

“They can develop agency by going out and trying things,” he said. “It works, or it doesn’t work. They come back. They think about it. They reformulate it. Staff people are keeping track of what it is, who it is, what they’re working on. They are documenting it. This is the difference between a mobilizing effort, where you’re getting people to turn out for an event, and trying to get people self-engaged and thinking through a problem.”

"When you do civil disobedience, the question is not about the power structure but the people you’re trying to reach,” he said. “How do they view what you’re doing? Do you alienate them? "



Mr. Fish / Truthdig

No leader, no matter how talented and visionary, effectively defies power without a disciplined organizational foundation. The civil rights movement was no more embodied in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. than the socialist movement was embodied in Eugene V. Debs. As the civil rights leader Ella Baker understood, the civil rights movement made King; King did not make the civil rights movement. We must focus on building new, radical movements that do not depend on foundation grants, a media platform or the Democratic Party or revolve around the cult of leadership. Otherwise, we will remain powerless. No leader, no matter how charismatic or courageous, will save us. We must save ourselves.

“You didn’t see me on television, you didn’t see news stories about me,” said Baker, who died in 1986. “The kind of role that I tried to play was to pick up pieces or put together pieces out of which I hoped organization might come. My theory is, strong people don’t need strong leaders.”

All of our radical and populist organizations, including unions and the press, are decimated or destroyed. If we are to successfully pit power against power we must reject the cult of the self, the deadly I-consciousness that seduces many, including those on the left, to construct little monuments to themselves. We must understand that it is not about us. It is about our neighbor. We must not be crippled by despair. Our job is to name and confront evil. All great crusades for justice outlast us. We are measured not by what we achieve but by how passionately and honestly we fight. Only then do we have a chance to thwart corporate power and protect a rapidly degrading ecosystem.

What does this mean?

It means receding into the landscape to build community organizations and relationships that for months, maybe years, will be unseen by mass culture. It means beginning where people are. It means listening. It means establishing credentials as a member of a community willing to make personal sacrifices for the well-being of others. It means being unassuming, humble and often unnamed and unrecognized. It means, as Cornel West said, not becoming “ontologically addicted to the camera.” It means, West went on, rejecting the “obsession with self as some kind of grand messianic gift to the world.”

One of the most important aspects of organizing is grass-roots educational programs that teach people, by engaging them in dialogue, about the structures of corporate power and the nature of oppression. One cannot fight what one does not understand. Effective political change, as Baker knew, is not primarily politically motivated. It is grounded in human solidarity, mutual trust and consciousness. As Harriet Tubman said: “I rescued many slaves, but I could have saved a thousand more if the slaves knew they were slaves.” The corporate state’s assault on education, and on journalism, is part of a concerted effort to keep us from examining corporate power and the ideologies, such as globalization and neoliberalism, that promote it. We are entranced by the tawdry, the salacious and the trivial.

The building of consciousness and mass organizations will not be quick. But these mass movements cannot become public until they are strong enough to carry out sustained actions, including civil disobedience and campaigns of noncooperation. The response by the state will be vicious. Without a dedicated and organized base we will not succeed.

Bob Moses was the director of the Mississippi Project of the SNCC (Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee) in the early 1960s when that group organized to register black voters. Most blacks had been effectively barred from voting in Mississippi through poll taxes, literacy tests, residency requirements and other barriers. Moses, like many organizers, was beaten and arrested. Blacks who attempted to register to vote were threatened, harassed, fired from their jobs, physically attacked and even murdered.

“In essence, it was low-grade guerrilla warfare,” Moses said recently at an event at Princeton University, in New Jersey. “In guerrilla warfare, you have a community you can disappear into and emerge from. That’s what we had. We had a group of local activists who had been a part of the NAACP local organizations and who had a different sense after World War II. They were our base. I can go any place, any time of the night, knock on a door. Somebody was going to open it up, give me a bed to sleep in, feed me. They were going to watch my back.”

“We had a guerrilla community that we could disappear into and then emerge to take some people down to the battleground, the courthouse in some local town with people trying to register to vote,” he said. “At that point, you were exposed and possibly open to some danger. The danger came in different ways. There were the highway patrols, which the state organized. Then there were the local sheriffs. Then there’s the Klan citizens. Different levels of danger. The challenge is to understand that you are not always in danger. Those who couldn’t figure that out didn’t last. They didn’t join.”

“In guerrilla warfare, you have to have an end,” he said. “You learn that from people in the guerrilla base who had been fighting and figuring out how to survive and thrive in a guerrilla struggle. The only way to learn that is to immerse yourself. There’s no training. In Mississippi, most of the people who did that were young, 17, 18, 19. And they lived there.”

Organizing, Moses said, begins around a particular issue that is important to the community—raising the minimum wage, protecting undocumented workers, restoring voting rights to former prisoners, blocking a fracking site, halting evictions, ending police violence or stopping the dumping of toxic waste in neighborhoods. Movements rise organically. Dissidents are empowered and educated one person at a time. Any insurgency, he said, has to be earned.

“If you get knocked down enough times and stand up enough times then people think you’re serious,” he said. “It’s not you talking. They’ve heard everyone talk about this forever. We earned their trust. We earned the respect of young people across the country to get them to come down and risk their lives. This is your country. Look what’s going on in your country. What do you want to do about it? We established our authenticity.”

Moses warned movements, such as Black Lives Matter, about establishing a huge media profile without a strong organizational base. Too often protests are little more than spectacles, credentialing protesters as radicals or dissidents while doing little to confront the power of the state. The state, in fact, often collaborates with protesters, carrying out symbolic arrests choreographed in advance. This boutique activism is largely useless. Protests must take the state by surprise and, as with the water protectors at Standing Rock, cause serious disruption. When that happens, the state will drop all pretense of civility, as it did at Standing Rock, and react with excessive force.

“You can’t be a media person [the subject of media reports] and an organizer,” Moses said. “If you’re leading an organization, it’s what you do and who you are that impacts the people who you are trying to get to do the organizing work. If what they see is your media presence, then that’s what they also want to have. It’s overwhelming to be a media person in this country. To attend to the duties of being a media person, the obligations that follow a media person, really means that you can’t attend to the obligations of actually doing organizing work. Once SNCC decided it needed a media person, it lost its organizing base. It disintegrated and disappeared. You can’t do both.”

The mass mobilizations, such as the Women’s March, have little impact unless they are part of a campaign centered around a specific goal. The goal—in the case of SNCC, voter registration—becomes the organizing tool for greater political consciousness and eventually a broader challenge to established power. People need to be organized around issues they care about, Moses said. They need to formulate their own strategy. If strategy is dictated to them, then the movement will fail.

“People need to figure out for themselves what they want to do about a problem,” Moses said. They need “agency.” They do not get agency, he said, “by listening to somebody tell them things.”

“They can develop agency by going out and trying things,” he said. “It works, or it doesn’t work. They come back. They think about it. They reformulate it. Staff people are keeping track of what it is, who it is, what they’re working on. They are documenting it. This is the difference between a mobilizing effort, where you’re getting people to turn out for an event, and trying to get people self-engaged and thinking through a problem.”

“When you do civil disobedience, the question is not about the power structure but the people you’re trying to reach,” he said. “How do they view what you’re doing? Do you alienate them? It’s a balance between, in some sense, leading and organizing. When you do your civil disobedience, it may or may not help with expanding your organizing base.”

Moses, who believes that only nonviolent resistance will be effective, said the Vietnam anti-war movement hurt itself by not accepting, as the civil rights movement did, prison and jail time as part of its resistance. Many in the anti-war movement, he said, lacked the vital capacity for self-sacrifice. This willingness to engage in self-sacrifice, he said, is fundamental to success.

"We’re going to say no and go to prison."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-danger-of-leadership-cults/

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« Reply #1261 on: May 15, 2018, 09:46:04 PM »
Barber on the way forward: Take it to the streets:

"Today, in more than 30 states and here in the District of Columbia, activists, clergy and, most of all, impacted people, the poor, will be organizing a nonviolent, moral, fusion direct action Mondays, a direct confrontation with what we call policy violence and the immoral policies that we see are continuing to hurt the poor"

"And what we are saying, it is time for a moral confrontation, a nonviolent moral confrontation"

"The 40 days is not the end of the campaign. It is the launching of a multiyear campaign."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44473-it-s-time-for-moral-confrontation-new-poor-people-s-campaign-stages-nationwide-civil-disobedience

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« Reply #1262 on: May 16, 2018, 07:59:20 AM »
Look, more torturers showing themselves:

Mark Warner (D-Senator-Virginia, senate intelligence committee ) : "I acknowledge that this has been a difficult decision,"

Heidi Heitkamp(D-Senator-North Dakota) : "was not an "easy decision,"

"followed later by Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) "

So add em to the "we love torture and we promote torturers" list.

"Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Joe Donnelly (Ind.) have said they will vote for Haspel."

Sometimes i wonder how these people sleep at night. Then I remember these are millionaires many times over.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/387803-heitkamp-backs-haspel-to-lead-cia

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/387799-warner-to-back-haspel-making-confirmation-likely

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/overnights/387870-overnight-defense-north-korea-warns-it-could-pull-out-of-trump

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« Reply #1263 on: May 16, 2018, 08:08:19 AM »
Wild won democratic congress primary in Lehigh PA. Looks good: campaign finance reform, legalize weed, no private prisons. Cool. Let's see what happens. Even after redistriction that's not an ez race come november.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/387839-progressive-pick-wild-wins-dem-primary-for-pa-house-seat

https://wildforcongress.com/

https://wildforcongress.com/campaign-finance-reform

https://wildforcongress.com/criminal-justice-reform

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« Reply #1265 on: May 16, 2018, 09:24:24 PM »
Bankers licking their chops: Dodd Frank to be gutted: Democrats on board:

"Heitkamp, Donnelly, and Tester shot to the top of the list of senators receiving money from the financial industry in 2017"

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/16/wall-street-bank-regulation-bill/

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« Reply #1266 on: May 16, 2018, 10:34:16 PM »
Democratic Socialists score in PA, Idaho:

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"It feels like a monumental shift," Arielle Cohen, co-chair of Pittsburgh Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), told the Huffington Post after four DSA-backed candidates defeated establishment Democrats in Pennsylvania. "We won on popular demands that were deemed impossible. We won on healthcare for all; we won on free education."

Running in Pennsylvania's State House Districts 34 and 21 respectively, Summer Lee and Sara Innamorato -- both running on platforms consisting of Medicare for All, strong environmental protection, and campaign finance reform -- toppled what local news outlets described as a "political dynasty" by trouncing Democratic cousins Paul Costa and Dom Costa by a wide margin.

the upset victories, which also included wins by Elizabeth Fiedler and Kristin Seale

in Idaho on Tuesday, where progressive Paulette Jordan handily defeated her establishment-backed Democratic opponent A.J. Balukoff in a bid to become the nation's first Native American governor.
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http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44494-big-primary-wins-for-socialists-and-progressives-who-ran-on-popular-demands-that-were-deemed-impossible

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« Reply #1267 on: May 17, 2018, 03:01:35 AM »
Not the proper thread, but
Senate Dems may have saved net neutrality

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-16/senate-votes-save-net-neutrality
or at least to have postponed it's demise.
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« Reply #1268 on: May 17, 2018, 10:17:58 PM »
Add two more. Donnelly (D-IN), Heitkamp (D-ND), Manchin(D-WV), Nelson (D-FL), Shaheen (D-NH), Warner (D-VA) all need waterboarded. The last two scumbags ain't even up for relection, they must be voting that way just because they like torturers.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/gina-haspel-confirmed-as-cia-chief-despite-scrutiny-of-her-role-in-interrogation-program/2018/05/17/c1b47ec2-59f5-11e8-b656-a5f8c2a9295d_story.html

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00100#top

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« Reply #1269 on: May 17, 2018, 11:24:06 PM »
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I'd love to boycott any country that would confirm a torturer, but you guys don't build anything I use anyway.




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« Reply #1270 on: May 17, 2018, 11:42:57 PM »
Torture the wrong guy and then throw him in the oubliette: Thats what these guys are cool with

AZ is Zubadayah.

"There is a fairly unanimous sentiment  within HQs that AZ will bever be placed in a situation where he has any significant contact with others and/or has the opportunity to be released.  While it is difficult to discuss specifcics at this point all major players are in concurrence the AZ whould remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life."

Even thru the stilted bureaucratese this chills to the bone. From the first link I attach:

"It was clear that CIA analysts were wrong when they had identified Zubaydah as the number three or four in al-Qaida after Osama bin Laden. The waterboarding failed to elicit valuable intelligence not because he was holding back, but because he was not a member of al-Qaida, and had no knowledge of any plots against the United States."

What really burns me is that it's my fucking tax dollars at work. I pay torturers. Paying Haspel's salary is one. This torture settlement with the psychos Mitchell and Johnson is another (second link) They had an agreement with the CIA that their legal costs would be covered.

But I'll gladly pay to put em in jail.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/taibbi-trumps-cia-pick-and-a-silenced-torture-suspect-w517867

https://www.aclu.org/cases/salim-v-mitchell-lawsuit-against-psychologists-behind-cia-torture-program

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« Reply #1271 on: May 18, 2018, 12:05:46 AM »
Taibbi looks more sympathetically than i would at a spook democrat in a thoughtful article about the race in the 19th district in NY. I think he lets off Beals too easily for being part of the war machine, and trusts too easily in Beals' putative redemption, but read the article. It certainly lays bare the financing shenanigans of the Democratic party.

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"They're gonna ask you two questions," the man said. "First, they'll ask you how much you think you can raise in the first quarter. You want to know how to answer?"

"Tell them you can raise $300,000."

"Next," the man said, "They're gonna ask how much you think it will cost to win the whole race. You wanna know the answer to that also?"

"Tell 'em it'll cost between a million to $2 million to win. You got that?"


"3. The Candidate agrees to have a campaign budget completed six months prior to the primary and to focus on preserving at least 75% of funds for paid communications."

Beals was stunned. In signing the document, he believed he would be committing to spending three out of every four dollars he raised on ad buys. Essentially, he was being instructed to kick most of his money upstairs, to what he would later only half-jokingly describe as the "campaign-industrial complex." "

"We are setting your Q1 goal at $500,000 raised by March 31st."

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the DCCC had treated Beals to a graphic demonstration of a basic truth about national politics in America. If you want in, you either have to be independently wealthy, have wealthy donors lined up, or do something drastic like win the lottery or sell your house.

"They want me to rob my friends and family," Beals says. "Or sell out. Or both." He sighs. "Preferably both."

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"Ultimately they ask you, 'How much can you contribute to your campaign?'"

"the top four Democrats in the field by fundraising turned out to be, in no particular order: a defense contractor, a health care executive, a partner at a famed lobbying firm and a former press aide to Gov. Andrew Cuomo"

"Did you see the latest letter from the DCCC?" Beals asks. "They raised my vig!"

"Yeah. They upped it to $800K,"

"Successfully spreading the idea that the party can't reach certain voters not only absolves the national bureaucracy of any need to change, but reduces campaigning to a blunt-force fundraising contest, a place where they're comfortable."

"This is where things get dark, but I think there are a lot of people who want you to think we can't win those votes," he says. "They want us to just get back to focusing on the fundraising, and keep the cash cow going."

"In other words: Apart from doing a better job of marketing themselves, the Democrats don't really need to change."

Read the whole thing:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/jeff-beals-new-york-midterms-w520302

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« Reply #1272 on: May 19, 2018, 07:22:48 AM »
Here's a corp dem, Chris Coons, senator for delaware, who wants to extend copyright on recordings for 144 (yes, one hundred and forty four, one gross) years. He ain't up for election forawhile, unfortunately dont come up for reelection this year.

These guys have no shame:

"Buried in an otherwise harmless act, passed by the House and now being considered in the Senate, this new bill purports to create a new digital performance right—basically the right to control copies of recordings on any digital platform (ever hear of the internet?)—for musical recordings made before 1972. These recordings would now have a new right, protected until 2067, which, for some, means a total term of protection of 144 years."

https://www.wired.com/story/congress-latest-move-to-extend-copyright-protection-is-misguided/

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2393

Now who's funding him, lets see, lotsa lawyers there to the tune of a couple million. Buncha lobbyists, movie/music/TV ...

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00031820

Put him down for challenge in 2020.

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« Reply #1273 on: May 19, 2018, 09:49:55 PM »
Every member of or voter for the Democratic Party should demand the head of every Democratic politician who voted in Satan's Gina Haspel. Where are the marches? Where is the resistance? Probably clapping somewhere for this Avenatti guy, the new Savior.  ::)

But anyway, let's stay positive. The lady in this video is so awesome, but she has to go on that stupid, conspiracy theory spewing Jimmy Dore Show, because no one else is willing to let her share her message:

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« Reply #1274 on: May 19, 2018, 10:39:32 PM »
Every member of or voter for the Democratic Party should demand the head of every Democratic politician who voted in Satan's Gina Haspel. Where are the marches? Where is the resistance? Probably clapping somewhere for this Avenatti guy, the new Savior.  ::)

But anyway, let's stay positive. The lady in this video is so awesome, but and she's has to go on that stupid, conspiracy theory spewing Jimmy Dore Show,!! because no one else is willing to let her share her message:




Only a few minor alterations. ;)
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« Reply #1275 on: May 21, 2018, 03:56:42 PM »
Barack Obama to young people in 2016 and 2017: “If you're disappointed by your elected officials, grab a clip board, get some signatures, and run for office yourself.”
Barack Obama 2018: Endorses millionaire Dianne Feinstein (84) against her grassroots funded primary opponent Alison Hartson (37)

Hillary Clinton in 2016 and 2017: "get more women to run for office and vote in midterm elections" and "there is a special place in hell for women who don't support other women"
Hillary Clinton in 2018: Endorses male incumbent Andrew Cuomo against his grassroots funded primary opponent Cynthia Nixon.

This is the most classic example of corporate Democrats. "Inspirational" rhetoric and "feel-good" speeches, while doing the exact opposite themselves. Just like all that rhetoric of "just get us in office in 2008 and we will support unions, bail out Main Street not Wall Street and pass a public option for healthcare" in 2008 that never materialized. Then Democrats turned around and blamed their own voters (who just overwhelmingly elected them in 2008) for bad 2010 midterm results.

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« Reply #1276 on: May 26, 2018, 07:52:03 PM »
Here is an August 2016 article about Magical Thinking and Progressives, w.r.t. to the 2016 presidential election:

Title: "How Magical Thinking Derails Progressive Politics"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-magical-thinking-derails-progressive-politics_us_57a0e1b9e4b07066ba1fccea

Extract: "I’ve never had the opportunity to vote for a presidential candidate or a marijuana legalization initiative that was fully up to my standards. But reality dictates that in the voting booth, I can vote to get some of what I want or I can vote to get a lot of what I don’t want.

Complaining about rigged systems and choices of the lesser of two evils is pointless – after the vote, either legalization wins and Hillary Clinton is president, or prohibition wins and Donald Trump is president. Either you chose to move the country incrementally forward on marijuana and progressivism, or you chose to move the country backward.

Your magical thinking might soothe your conscience but it does not alter reality."
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« Reply #1277 on: May 28, 2018, 12:23:24 AM »
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Complaining about rigged systems and choices of the lesser of two evils is pointless – after the vote, either legalization wins and Hillary Clinton is president, or prohibition wins and Donald Trump is president. Either you chose to move the country incrementally forward on marijuana and progressivism, or you chose to move the country backward.

9 states had ballot initiatives to legalize marijuana on Nov 8, 2016. Out of 9 states, 9 passed it, among those a few Clinton herself LOST. Maybe she should be in favor of legalizing marijuana to get those voters and win states like Florida?

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« Reply #1278 on: May 28, 2018, 01:32:55 AM »
"Magical thinking" has become a term used to cudgel those of us who might think it possible to elect candidates who neither fellate the rich or create war and slavemarkets.

Can't happen say the adults in the room. We need to elect these corporate slaves so they throw might us a few bones. Perhaps, a few generations down the road in the bright and shining future, we might find some such candidates. But it is very important to elect the ones we have, however glaring be their faults,  in this and future elections to get to that bright and shining future. And because the other side is more evil and more vicious than we are and will screw you worse.

Guess we saw how those kinda adults in the room lost to Trump. So sad.

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« Reply #1279 on: May 28, 2018, 02:22:20 AM »

Guess we saw how those kinda adults in the room lost to Trump. So sad.

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It's asserted over and over and over on this forum that it's the Corporate Democrats that let to Trump's victory.  I frankly can't see that they are really the ones to blame.
Republicans, over and over, have sought to make tax policy less progressive.
Republicans gutted the banking reform regulations.  Yes, Clinton signed it, but his only alternative was to veto the must-pass National Defense Authorization at the time.

Republicans refused to allow adequate stimulus in the Great Recession.

Americans can be faulted for falling for a con man.  But remember, Trump promised universal health care coverage, at greatly reduced cost.  People believed him.  He promised more jobs, when all the Republicans ever did is prevent a better economic recovery.

Excessive media attention to his campaign antics can certainly be faulted.
The Russians can be faulted, perhaps, for those 80,000 votes that made the difference.
Hillary's inability to connect with anyone with a pulse can be faulted.
Relentless right-wing character assassination of the Clintons and Pelosi can be faulted.

Compared to these factors, the "corporateness" of any Democrats is just a tiny drop in the bucket.

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« Reply #1280 on: May 28, 2018, 02:40:16 AM »
If the democrats had a candidate who wasn't a corporate sellout and a warmonger, they wouldnt'a lost. The only democratic candidate who could have lost to Trump was Hilary Clinton.

Actually, i think the only Republican candidate who could have lost to Hilary was Donald Trump ... but we are talking about getting non corporate democrats in this thread, so we can discuss that elsewhere.

The state of the Democratic Party in being unable to select a better candidate certainly screwed them in addition to a bunch else. A great deal of that inability was the clinton fundraising lock.

So, how do we persuade the democratic candidates that crowdfunding is better than corporate ? I guess after they lose some more forabit, judging by current behaviour.

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« Reply #1281 on: May 28, 2018, 02:44:16 AM »
If the democrats had a candidate who wasn't a corporate sellout and a warmonger, they wouldnt'a lost. The only democratic candidate who could have lost to Trump was Hilary Clinton.

Actually, i think the only Republican candidate who could have lost to Hilary was Donald Trump ... but we are talking about getting non corporate democrats in this thread, so we can discuss that elsewhere.

The state of the Democratic Party in being unable to select a better candidate certainly screwed them in addition to a bunch else. A great deal of that inability was the clinton fundraising lock.

So, how do we persuade the democratic candidates that crowdfunding is better than corporate ? I guess after they lose some more forabit, judging by current behaviour.

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Democrats are using, have been using, and will continue to benefit from crowdfunding:
https://secure.actblue.com

But when right-wingers have a massive, disproportionate advantage on the dark money side, how can any candidate eschew contributions from anyone short of Satan?  The alternative is electoral oblivion.

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« Reply #1282 on: May 28, 2018, 05:28:10 AM »
" how can any candidate eschew contributions from anyone short of Satan?   "

There you have it. For some of us the term "short of Satan" is drawn considerably further away from Satan(s) than for others.

" or what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

sidd -- "not close enuf to Satan"
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« Reply #1283 on: May 28, 2018, 12:49:05 PM »
The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump wins a second term.


It's asserted over and over and over on this forum that it's the Corporate Democrats that let to Trump's victory.  I frankly can't see that they are really the ones to blame.

Yes, they played a very important role. And still do, keeping the real left out of positions of power.

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Americans can be faulted for falling for a con man.

And can those who knew he is a con man, but still wanted to stick it to the establishment, be faulted? Especially those who are one illness away from total disaster and bankruptcy, working three jobs, but still not able to properly provide for their children?

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Hillary's inability to connect with anyone with a pulse can be faulted.

No, the fact that she still was allowed to become the anointed candidate despite this inability, can be faulted. Of course, it involved cheating and massive heaps of propaganda. That's what this whole thread is about.

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Relentless right-wing character assassination of the Clintons and Pelosi can be faulted.

Them making it so easy for the right-wing media to smear them, is much more important.

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Compared to these factors, the "corporateness" of any Democrats is just a tiny drop in the bucket.

No, it's the bucket.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1284 on: May 28, 2018, 04:06:52 PM »
More from Corporate Democrat lackey Tom Perez:

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« Reply #1285 on: May 28, 2018, 04:46:04 PM »
More from Corporate Democrat lackey Tom Perez:


TYT is far better than Dore for thoughtful discussion.  I think all these video jockeys, however, can't hold a candle to good print journalism.  Here's a print piece about the foot-in-mouth Perez endorsement:

Perez infuriates liberals with Cuomo endorsement
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/tom-perez-andrew-cuomo-primary-endorsements-607799

Perez was, indeed, stupid here.  The net effect of his speech was very negative for the reputation of the DNC and probably a net negative for Cuomo.

Perez could cite a couple of mitigating factors in his sin.  If he's Chair, can he not still give a personal endorsement of a personal friend?  Answer:  it's still unethical.

What's needed overall, is an apology from Perez and an official disownment of any such "personal" endorsement by the DNC.  Maybe that'll happen.  I'm not holding my breath.
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« Reply #1286 on: May 28, 2018, 09:29:13 PM »
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If he's Chair, can he not still give a personal endorsement of a personal friend?  Answer:  it's still unethical.

Not "still unethical". The fact that they are personal friends makes it even worse!!

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« Reply #1287 on: May 28, 2018, 10:58:26 PM »
Some democrats are running on their rollback of Dodd Frank. But that may not be a good thing for them.

"Democratic support for the Dodd-Frank bill is mainly useful as a way to keep financial sector super PACs and bank lobbyists from supporting their Republican opponents.

“It allows them to try to keep industry from donating to their opponent,” the strategist said. “But in terms of winning voters, it’s a losing issue for everybody.” "

Grifters gonna grift. And given a choice betwee real republicans and democrats running as remublicans, the voters tend to pick the real republicans.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/389463-spurning-left-centrist-dems-tout-bank-law-for-midterms

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« Reply #1288 on: May 30, 2018, 08:08:09 PM »
To all you members who live in California, or know people living in California, please, do everything you can to get Alison Hartson into the US Senate. This is one of those moments where a strong signal can be given:

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« Reply #1289 on: May 31, 2018, 11:13:42 PM »
And from the East Coast, a most powerful ad:

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« Reply #1290 on: June 01, 2018, 01:57:31 AM »
Wonderful ad above!
There is a difference & those without the censorship that corporates sponsorship entails can win against a well healed, but ideologically muted candidate from either party.

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« Reply #1291 on: June 01, 2018, 02:06:47 AM »
Go Alexandria!

She's got 48K to his 1.6 million on hand. Running against Wall Street flunky in a Street owned town.

send her some love, and some money if you can do it within FEC rules. And publicise that video.


Joseph Crowley (D) • Incumbent    $2,777,489    $2,306,483    $1,592,362    03/31/2018


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D)    $115,653    $67,128    $48,524    03/31/2018

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« Reply #1292 on: June 01, 2018, 09:45:29 PM »
Well, well, well. Look who supports Heitkamp :

"Americans for Prosperity, an arm of the influential network supported by conservative billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch, is unleashing a digital advertising campaign on Friday thanking Heitkamp for co-sponsoring the Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protect Act, a bill that rolls back Dodd-Frank regulations ..."

They dont even pretend anymore.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/koch-political-network-supports-heitkamp-for-bank-deregulation-bill.html

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« Reply #1293 on: June 07, 2018, 10:12:36 PM »
Win some, lose some: progressives win a few, lose a few

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/06/california-primary-election-results-2018/

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« Reply #1294 on: June 09, 2018, 09:11:10 PM »
Preemptive strike on Bernie ?

"requires all Democratic presidential candidates to be a member of the Democratic Party "

But, of course, the rule isn't about Bernie. No, sir. Cross my heart and hope to die. We'd never lie to you.

"One source familiar with the discussions told Yahoo News the rules change was not aimed at Sanders and wouldn’t necessarily affect him."

Trying to slide the shiv in early this time. These guys never learn.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/391459-dnc-panel-adopts-rule-requiring-candidates-to-run-serve-as-a-democrat

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eye-bernie-sanders-democratic-national-committee-adopts-new-restrictions-2020-presidential-candidates-225841348.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/08/dnc-rule-change-sanders-supporters-634998

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« Reply #1295 on: June 11, 2018, 12:00:48 AM »
Warren gets it:

"Warren said she agrees with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) that too many Democrats lack the "guts" to take on Wall Street and argued that her party's struggles will continue until all of its members are "willing to take on the billionaire class."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/06/10/elizabeth-warren-democrats-will-keep-losing-until-entire-party-willing-take

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/08/elizabeth-warren-v-the-district-of-corruption/?campaign=homepage-podcast-deconstructed

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1296 on: June 17, 2018, 06:40:23 PM »
Movement in the right direction?

DNC votes unanimously to no longer accept money from fossil fuel companies

https://thinkprogress.org/dnc-ban-fossil-fuel-companies-408e1595bcda/

Now if they can only wean themselves from the Wall Street and Big Pharma teats!

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1297 on: June 19, 2018, 11:13:38 PM »
Atcheson on the corporate democrats:

" ... the news that matters – the Democrats’ abandonment of the middle class, and their sell-out to corporations and fat cats -- goes virtually unreported in the mainstream mediathe news that matters – the Democrats’ abandonment of the middle class, and their sell-out to corporations and fat cats -- goes virtually unreported in the mainstream media ..."

" ... the neoliberal establishment that runs the party holds fast to the very policies that are making it shrink into oblivion. "

"now the people have moved to the left of center, but the Democratic leadership remains firmly in the center right because it gives them cover to continue representing their true constituents: corporations and rich campaign donors."

" Only 35 percent think the Democrats believe in anything.  And the Smith Project found that nearly 80 percent believe that both political parties “…are too beholden to special interests to create any meaningful change.” "

" it doesn’t do much good for Democrats to scream at those who don’t vote, if they won’t run candidates worth voting for."

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/06/18/we-get-it-trump-awful

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« Reply #1298 on: June 19, 2018, 11:31:39 PM »
War democrats:

"When an evenly divided Senate voted to confirm Gina Haspel as CIA director, six Democrats joined 48 Republicans to vote for her confirmation. But it was not just any six Democrats. In the 2018 election cycle, those six—Senators Nelson (FL), Donnelly (IN), Manchin (WV), Heitkamp (ND), Shaheen (NH) and Warner (VA)—have received an average of $170,220 each in campaign cash from the war industry ..."

"Thirteen Senate Democrats have already raked in more than $200,000 each in contributions from the war industry in this election cycle: Durbin (IL); Reed (RI); Kaine (VA); Schumer (NY); Nelson (FL); Leahy (VT); Murray (WA); Shaheen (NH); Warner (VA); Blumenthal (CT); Schatz (HI); Donnelly (IN); and Heinrich (NM)."

"the 49 Democrats and Independents in the U.S. Senate have raised $5 million dollars in direct campaign contributions from the war industry, plus an additional $2.3 million for their “Leadership PACs,”  "

Remember these names.

https://www.alternet.org/local-peace-economy/how-war-industry-corrupts-us-congress

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1299 on: June 20, 2018, 05:35:22 AM »
Sucking off the PACs and not even hiding it:

"Coordination between campaigns and outside groups is illegal ... McCaskill and other Democratic senators are pushing the limits by essentially posting instruction manuals on how they prefer allied groups to attack their opponents, which super PACs have then turned into ads within a matter of days or weeks."

Ya, we know. Gotto suck that sweet, sweet money teat. What are you, some kinda communist ? We cant win till we get as corrupt as them.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/democrats-campaigns-super-pac-finance-rules-632802

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