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« Reply #1700 on: September 22, 2018, 08:50:23 AM »
Yeah. And people like Schumer are still sucking off the bankers teats.

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« Reply #1701 on: September 22, 2018, 11:06:38 AM »
You mustn't say that. Because Trump.
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« Reply #1702 on: September 22, 2018, 06:37:20 PM »
Democrats had house and senate majority when obama took office. He could have nationalized the banks.
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The first sentence is true; the 2nd isn't. 

The Senate filibuster still existed (still does for regular bills), and Blue Dog Democrats are not likely to won't support nationalizing the banks, so even a majority in the House might not have supported such a move, and definitely not a simple majority in the Senate. [Note that a Blue Dog Democrat in Florida, Bill Nelson, is in the fight-of-his-live against our very flawed right-wing (but smart) Governor for his Senate seat.  A lefty Democrat may win the governorship, but only because the R-candidate is a nut case outright racist.]

On the other hand, President Obama was so insistent on attempting bi-partisanship that it took ages to get the Affordable Care Act through Congress (with, ultimately, zero R votes), and the ACA suffered in quality for the bi-partisanship effort, to boot.  If the the President had been more "I don't care what the R-opinion is", two or three D projects would/could have been moved through Congress, instead of just one, during his first two years in office.  If the ACA had been passed within 6 months, the Rs might not have won so many seats in the next election... 

Ah, what if's!  The Rs know a thing or two about rushing things through (Kavanaugh, anybody?).  On the other hand, I don't want Ds to act like Rs.  Do you?
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« Reply #1703 on: September 22, 2018, 07:21:14 PM »

Ah, what if's!  The Rs know a thing or two about rushing things through (Kavanaugh, anybody?).  On the other hand, I don't want Ds to act like Rs.  Do you?

Agree with the entire post.  Obama tried very hard to work out bipartisan solutions.  The R's took advantage of this approach, and were able to obstruct more successfully.

Preventing a tidal wave of bank failures really was necessary.  Providing genuine assistance to those who were losing their homes and jobs and savings should have had at least as much resources.  But Obama needed legislation passed through Congress to do so, and too many members were never going to go with much more than was passed (or were going to filibuster).

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« Reply #1704 on: September 22, 2018, 08:46:00 PM »
Senate has little power on fiscal matters, House holds the purse strings.

But more important, FDIC/OCC already have authority to take over banks. No legislation required. They do it all the time, and they did do it a lot in the aftermath, except of course, for the big banks, the ones that owned obama, geithner and the rest. If Obama had appointed someone like Bill Black to treasury instead of that reprehensible lowlife Geithner, fired Bernanke and put Brooksley Born in there, and appointed a real attorney general instead of a lapdog like holder, we might have seen bankers and torturers in jail and relief for the homeowners. Instead Obama gave the crooks and torturers the fast ride on the luxury elevator, and millions of homeowners got the shaft.

Defenses of Obama seem to come from those who didnt get thrown on the streets, who remained, if not  comfortable, at least not destitute amid economic carnage.

And of  course, as we saw, obama had their back. But his enablers cannot see this.

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« Reply #1705 on: September 22, 2018, 08:56:49 PM »
Senate has little power on fiscal matters, House holds the purse strings.

Not really true.  The Constitution only says that spending bills must originate in the House.  This gets worked around commonly, so some spending bills actually do originate in the Senate.

Both houses must approve a budget to go to the President's desk.  The Senate can, and typically does, amend whatever gets approved by the House.   Often, the differences get ironed out in a conference committee before getting a final up or down vote in both houses.  In conference committee, the two houses have equal power.

All final budgets must be approved by a majority in both houses.  They're virtually equal in power over spending.

Correcting erroneous statements isn't "defending Obama," it's setting the record straight.  He made plenty of errors, but there's no need to exaggerate them.


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« Reply #1706 on: September 22, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »
1)Reconciliation lets house override senate, they have more votes in joint session, and senate cannot filibuster. So house holds the power of the purse.

2) Senate/house fiscal authorities are not germane to the point the FDIC/OCC already has power to take over banks.

In larger frame, what i see is that reluctance to abandon corporates by the Democratic party will doom them by stripping their erstwhile base.

Keep doin what you've always done and keep getting what you've always got.  Unfortunately the mugs are getting wise. They don't vote party line any more. Perhaps the biggest thing that shocked me in 2016 was that the democrats lost the union rank and file.

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« Reply #1707 on: September 22, 2018, 09:12:04 PM »
Thanks, sidd, for your appointment (and the consequences thereof) comments [reply #1704] - another part of President Obama's 'not wanting to be too confrontational' personality (that got him elected in the first place), causing less good to happen than what would have been good for our country (in your and my opinions).  Your comment, however, is somewhat 'over my head', and I cannot vouch for the details you wrote.
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« Reply #1708 on: September 22, 2018, 09:25:05 PM »
1)Reconciliation lets house override senate, they have more votes in joint session, and senate cannot filibuster. So house holds the power of the purse.
 

Not true at all.  In 2013, "The budget conference committee will consist of 30 lawmakers – 22 from the Senate and 8 from the House of Representatives. . ."  The two houses have virtually equal power over the budget.
http://www.crfb.org/papers/qa-everything-you-need-know-about-budget-conference

As for regulatory agencies shutting down insolvent banks, they certainly did.  I believe the largest insolvent bank was Wachovia.  Wells Fargo was persuaded to purchase all the assets and debts.  Other banks were swallowed by Bank of America.

It might have been better for banks to have been truly nationalized and operated under Federal auspices, but I'm pretty sure that's not within the authority granted to the regulatory agencies.  New legislation would have to be passed.

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« Reply #1709 on: September 22, 2018, 09:36:22 PM »
Re: reconciliation and conference committee.

Whatever comes out of the committee has to be voted on in joint session. The house has far more votes in the joint session. Or do you disagree with arithmetic as well ?

Re: bank breakup "not within the authority granted to the regulatory agencies.  New legislation would have to be passed."

Disagreed. FDIC and OCC have precisely that power. Bair at OCC wanted to start with Citi. She was overruled and gone shortly after.

For cryin out loud they did use that power. Just not on the big criminals. Holder had the power to prosecute. He slow walked and let statute of limitations expire ... with Obama's blessing.

These guys are bought and sold by the banks. Keep defending them. Keep wondering why people call you enforcers of capitalism.

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« Reply #1710 on: September 22, 2018, 09:41:40 PM »
Update by Martin on CIA democrats at wsws

"Of the 44 districts we identified in March—since grown to 46—military-intelligence candidates have won 30 nominations, a success rate of about 66 percent or two-thirds. That testifies to their extensive support from the Democratic Party leadership, from longtime financial backers of the Democrats, and from the top levels of the national security establishment."

Keep these names in mind. The congressional face of the mil-ind complex.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/09/21/ciad-s21.html

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« Reply #1711 on: September 22, 2018, 09:46:26 PM »
Re; bank breakup "not within the authority granted to the regulatory agencies.  New legislation would have to be passed."

Disagreed. FDIC and OCC have precisely that power. Bair at OCC wanted to start with Citi. She was overruled and gone shortly after.
What I said is that regulators can, and did, shut down insolvent banks.  They just don't have the power to nationalize them, in the sense of operating under Federal auspices.
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For cryin out loud they did use that power. Just not on the big criminals. Holder had the power to prosecute. He slow walked and let statute of limitations expire ... with Obama's blessing.

These guys are bought and sold by the banks. Keep defending them. Keep wondering why people call you enforcers of capitalism.

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I never defended the failure to prosecute the financial wrongdoers.  I completely agree that rafts of these people should be behind bars.  Holder holds primary responsibility for this failure, but I'm sure Obama did not ask him to be aggressive.  I agree with you on this.

Failure to prosecute may well be setting us up for a repetition of the global financial crisis.  The finance industry appears to have learned nothing.  Prosecutions would have forced them to become more responsible.

I don't defend anyone just for the sake of defending them, or for being contentious.  Accuracy is important, and flaws should not be exaggerated.  Neither should they be minimized.

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« Reply #1712 on: September 22, 2018, 09:53:56 PM »
Re: insolvent banks, nationalization

ALL the big banks were insolvent. Nationalization means the government takes controlling stakes in the the entity. This is perfectly legal, has been done many times

Continental Illinois. Amtrak. Transportaion Security Authority. Just three that come to mind, there are more.

Obama and company were too craven to refuse their paymasters. Can't jeopardize those book contracts, corporate sinecures, sweet, sweet yacht rides in retirement ...

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« Reply #1713 on: September 23, 2018, 12:24:25 AM »
What follows is not a feel good message for Progressives. Instead it indicates that two of the leading lights of the Progressive movement have been compromised Before Their Election Even Takes Place.




How can candidates that just demonstrated their electability while campaigning without the vote killing restrictions forced on those who feed from the Corporate Trough, throw that in the trash can by campaigning for Party Stalwarts that have voted with the Republican opposition whenever their corporate masters ordered them to?

How many New York Progressives have voted for Cuomo. How many Florida Progressives see Booker as an inspiration?

They could at least wait until they are in office before selling us out. >:(
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« Reply #1714 on: September 23, 2018, 07:18:38 AM »
Saw this myself a few days back. Weird isn't it?

How can candidates that just demonstrated their electability while campaigning without the vote killing restrictions forced on those who feed from the Corporate Trough, throw that in the trash can by campaigning for Party Stalwarts that have voted with the Republican opposition whenever their corporate masters ordered them to?

My best guess is that she has been got at already by the DNC. eg Play ball our way or else we might secretly bank roll incumbent Congressman, Democratic Caucus Chair Joe Crowley's race as an Independent.

Things like that is how it works. The other successful MO is of course the typical "Candidate Research" practice which is not necessarily done on the competition but one's own.

"Oh Alexandria, btw, before I go, have seen what we have in your secret file yet? Here have a look. I might call you tomorrow and see if you have changed your mind. OK? Great, thanks, you have a lovely day now."

Works well in Business too .....  :-X

btw is Joe related to Aleister Crowley by any chance? :)
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« Reply #1715 on: October 02, 2018, 10:45:28 PM »
Win for Bernie: Amazon forced to raise minimum wage to $15/hr in the USA and 9.5-10.5 GBP in UK:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45717768

That's one way to deal with oligarchs. I note that $15/hr is nowhere near enuf to live on in far too much of the USA. But, small steps.

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« Reply #1716 on: October 03, 2018, 12:47:07 AM »
Thomas Frank interview at truthout:

" What liberals tend to assume is that small towns in the Midwest have always been on the decline, that nothing can be done for them and that they’re “MAGA”-friendly by nature. What I point out is that this is not so; that hard times are not inevitable, and that Democrats could put this awful trend into reverse were they to take these people’s problems seriously rather than blowing them off."

"Why does the Democratic Party have such a problem relating to the concerns of the working class?

Because that’s not really who they are any more ... The party’s leadership faction has been in the grip of a post-industrial fantasy since the 1980s; they came to identify with Wall Street in the 1990s and with Silicon Valley during Obama’s presidency ... the party’s leadership doesn’t get it. They see their future in the prosperous suburbs and among the winners ..."

https://truthout.org/articles/what-liberals-have-gotten-wrong-about-main-street-usa/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1717 on: October 03, 2018, 10:22:36 AM »
Do not, I repeat, do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good:

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« Reply #1718 on: October 03, 2018, 07:24:16 PM »
Do not, I repeat, do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good:


I'm sympathetic with Kyle's argument, but he misses a whole level of complexity (and mathematics).

If *all* Republicans vote for a nominee (or other piece of legislation on the floor) it passes.  It makes no practical difference how any Democrat votes in such a case.

If a Democrat in a red state needs to bolster his conservative cred by voting for some Trumpian legislation, then he SHOULD do so, as long as it would pass regardless.  That is, as long as he'll vote with his party when it counts.

When it counts (e.g., repealing the Affordable Care Act) all the "blue dogs" all voted the right way, and thank god they did.  If Manchin had been successfully "primaried from his left" at his prior election, then Manchin would have been replaced by a Republican, who would have cast the deciding vote to repeal the ACA.

Legislative success is more important than ideological purity.  Kyle is just simplistic and wrong here.  Ideological purity is worthless if it means losing our health care.

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« Reply #1719 on: October 03, 2018, 08:06:00 PM »
Ideological purity is worthless if it means losing our health care.

Ideological purity (or however you'd like to name your strawman) is of crucial importance if you want to solve AGW. You cannot let Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and Big X/Y/Z do whatever they please, basically, and expect to have enough 'legislative success' to prevent the world from warming up 4 °C in the next 100-150 years. It may feel good and smart to be moderate and civil, but it's the most stupid thing you can do. If you're serious about something like AGW, that is.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. So, even if it's only in word, you need to draw the line. That's where it starts. And then you have to hope you have enough time to steadfastly stick to your message that you can really curb and overhaul the system that is causing all the big problems.

The things that Perez and other Corporate Democrats are saying and doing, should outrage anyone who is serous about AGW. If you're not outraged and preach incrementalist lesser-evilism, you basically resign yourself and everyone around you to maximal human-induced warming in the next 100-150 years.

Draw the line. Demand something. Don't rearrange deck chairs.
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« Reply #1720 on: October 03, 2018, 08:19:25 PM »
Ideological purity is worthless if it means losing our health care.

Ideological purity (or however you'd like to name your strawman) is of crucial importance if you want to solve AGW. You cannot let Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and Big X/Y/Z do whatever they please, basically, and expect to have enough 'legislative success' to prevent the world from warming up 4 °C in the next 100-150 years. It may feel good and smart to be moderate and civil, but it's the most stupid thing you can do. If you're serious about something like AGW, that is.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. So, even if it's only in word, you need to draw the line. That's where it starts. And then you have to hope you have enough time to steadfastly stick to your message that you can really curb and overhaul the system that is causing all the big problems.

The things that Perez and other Corporate Democrats are saying and doing, should outrage anyone who is serous about AGW. If you're not outraged and preach incrementalist lesser-evilism, you basically resign yourself and everyone around you to maximal human-induced warming in the next 100-150 years.

Draw the line. Demand something. Don't rearrange deck chairs.

I agree with every word of this, as far as it goes.
The issue at hand is strategy, not goals.
If we work to defeat Heidi Heitkamp over, say, voting for Kavanaugh, then she won't be *able* to vote with us on climate change.  If she gets replaced with a Republican, than we've made the goal more unattainable.

The Democratic Party united in defense of the ACA.  We may need to push the DNC and DCCC (etc) to prioritize the environment as a litmus test.  We'll fail if we insist on purity over a range of issues. We may need to tolerate pro-lifers, pro-Kavanaughs or others. That's why the video was simplistic and wrong.

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« Reply #1721 on: October 03, 2018, 08:48:18 PM »
We'll fail if we insist on purity over a range of issues.

I agree that we may fail, but we will fail 100% if we don't draw the line and take a radical stance. And that range of issues, are all interconnected. You can't solve that range of issues if you let Wall Street set the economic agenda. You can't solve that range of issues if you let your nation continue to be abused as a vehicle for perpetual war.

The Heitkamps and Manchins in the world don't help you with your small successes. Their function is to stop too much change the donors don't like. Get rid of them, and say you want to be rid of them because they're corrupt, because they're not serving the people, just like the Republicans. They're a cover for everything that is corrupt and careerist within the Democratic Party.

So get rid of them. And then you run on a sincere populist message in those states until you do get somebody in that seat who is willing to serve the people. Because that's your only chance. And you say that it is the only chance. And you keep saying it while things get worse under Republicans. You keep pushing for the things the American people want (medicare for all, ending the wars, free college, reigning in Wall Street, livable wage, etc).

And most of all, you make clear to those in the Democratic Party who don't really have the interest of the majority of the American people at heart, those deplorable working class and poor people, you say to them: The party is over, this is the line we draw, stop crossing it.

Votes and protest, votes and protests, votes and protest. If you can keep that up for 10-20 years, and be consistent instead of 'smart and strategic' (read weak and hypocritical), then maybe, just maybe a sliver of light shows up at the end of a very long tunnel.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1722 on: October 03, 2018, 10:40:14 PM »
Sanders at it again introduces an anti corp bill:

"introduced a bill that would require the breakup of any financial company that has a total exposure of greater than 3 percent of gross domestic product. "

which would be

" banks are J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo & Co., Goldman and Morgan Stanley. The nonbanks are Berkshire as well as Prudential Financial, MetLife and American International Group."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/03/sen-sanders-wants-to-break-up-jp-morgan-berkshire-hathaway.html

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« Reply #1723 on: October 03, 2018, 10:59:04 PM »
Sanders at it again introduces an anti corp bill:

"introduced a bill that would require the breakup of any financial company that has a total exposure of greater than 3 percent of gross domestic product. "

which would be

" banks are J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo & Co., Goldman and Morgan Stanley. The nonbanks are Berkshire as well as Prudential Financial, MetLife and American International Group."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/03/sen-sanders-wants-to-break-up-jp-morgan-berkshire-hathaway.html

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This is almost certainly a wise idea, and not necessarily all that radical.  In 1984, AT&T was broken up into regional "Baby Bells."  The result was good for shareholders, even though their single company stock was now shares in multiple corporations.  It was almost certainly good for consumers and for innovation.

This would be a different legal justification, but the result, regardless, would not necessarily be bad for shareholders or the citizenry.  In the event of a corporate failure, it could prevent meltdown of the global financial system.

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« Reply #1724 on: October 03, 2018, 11:05:21 PM »
Yes, but it takes a Sanders to introduce it, and Corporate Democrats to stop it together with Republicans. Because to some people it is actually very radical, and as Hollywood tries to explain to us: Being radical is very bad, be a good moderate and just bend over.

To get back on-topic again.  :)
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« Reply #1725 on: October 03, 2018, 11:25:06 PM »
The bill has no chance, whether under republican or democrat majority. Corporates like Schumer, DiFi, Pelosi will see it die, even if democrats win house and senate.

But if it can be forced to a vote, then the corporates will have to stand up and be counted.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1726 on: October 04, 2018, 05:45:07 AM »
Taibbi interviews Sanders on the breakup bill:

"our four largest financial institutions — J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and Citigroup — are on average 80 percent bigger than they were before we bailed them out"

"In an examination of then-Fed chief Alan Greenspan in 2000, Sanders asked ... "What happens if they fail? Who in God’s name is going to bail them out?" ...
“We do not believe that in the event that it turns out that a substantial institution fails that they should be bailed out,” [Greenspan] said"

"It’s a movement to an oligarchy ... six financial institutions have assets equivalent to 54 percent of the GDP ..."

Now here is exactly what neven referred to in "it takes a Sanders to introduce it, and Corporate Democrats to stop it together with Republicans"

"Sanders issued his first attempt at a bill to break up the banks in November 2009 ...  bill was walloped in the Senate, 61-33, with 27 Democrats voting against it ..."

"A consistent problem with these efforts has been a lack of support within the Democratic Party, whose economic policies have been dominated by the same Rubin-Geithner-Lawrence Summers Wall Street-friendly ideology (what one financial analyst friend of mine deems the “Rubino crime family”) for two-and-a-half decades now. It will require massive voter repudiation of these ties on the Democrat side to even begin to take real action on these ideas."

" Let’s hope that this time around, the Democrats realize this in time for the presidential election."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/taibbi-bernie-sanders-banks-732633/

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« Reply #1727 on: October 04, 2018, 06:11:23 AM »
Yes, but it takes a Sanders to introduce it, and Corporate Democrats to stop it together with Republicans. Because to some people it is actually very radical, and as Hollywood tries to explain to us: Being radical is very bad, be a good moderate and just bend over.

To get back on-topic again.  :)

Right, so why are you insulting the good moderate Steve accusing him and insulting him for bending over? That's so distasteful and rude to be saying such things to Steve .... who is such a nice guy and has been a good member of the community for years now.

<Because I use way less words than you do, so that the discussion doesn't end up being about ME and MY RIGHTEUOS ANGER!; N.>

I ask this because it's a really good example of how Steve, and Rob, and Oren, etc. and YOU totally twist my words into some they never were.

How do you like it if this was done to you hundreds of times day after day and every time you attempted to correct the record and defend what you actually DID SAY AND MEAN - and copy/paste what THEY HAD said how it was totally false .... but instead your posts were immediately deleted without warning without checking with you first .... and you were then told by the incompetent moderator, who never bothered to actually see what was said and how it was said. Also accusing you of being OFF-TOPIC of getting personal when that is exactly what the other posters had done to you in the first place?

How long would you put up that kind of crap on another Forum before you started complaining about it Neven? Oh that's not your thing I expect. You'd probably just bend over and walk away Mr Meek and Mild?

<I'd go find another forum. The Internet is big, you know; N.>

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 Let's crack another passive-aggressive joke to get out of a sticky area, that'll work:

<sometimes it works, besides what's wrong with passive-aggressive, we're all human; N.>

To get back on-topic again:) So I will. Didn't you get the Memo from Steve & Rob? ..... it's not the Democrats fault it's TRUMP, he's the problem.

<I try to convince the Steves and Robs of the world of what I think is the problem, because without the Steves and Robs on board, we're not going to make it. They are a crucial demographic, as are the rich. I don't convince them by calling them stupid liars, as you are wont to do; N.>

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1728 on: October 04, 2018, 11:34:46 PM »
War. For too many democrats, it's the new black.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/03/ciad-o03.html

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1729 on: October 04, 2018, 11:57:57 PM »
How money works: detail of a california campaign:

"  Last month, a group of DSA volunteers unveiled buffywicks.money, a whistle-blowing website designed, in part, to debunk Wicks’ repeated claim that she doesn’t take “corporate money.” "

Checkitout.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/04/they-count-on-you-not-knowing-socialists-blow-the-whistle-on-democratic-party-donor-class/

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« Reply #1730 on: October 05, 2018, 12:47:43 AM »
War. For too many democrats, it's the new black.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/03/ciad-o03.html

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It hurts to read these words, knowing they're penned by Democratic Candidates. If I lived in one of the districts they're running in, I'm not sure that staying home in November would be enough.


The DNC & DCCC need to go, perhaps a new party is the only way forward.


Some of these CIA Democrats will win in this election, and in 20 years will have risen through the ranks until they are calling the shots for the party & possibly the nation.


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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1731 on: October 09, 2018, 06:44:50 AM »
David vs. Goliath: Nolan at splinternews on the democrat running in the reddest district of Texas:

"His opponent, House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry, has raised $1.1 million, and Sagan has raised a little over $20,000."

"On one hand, he’s an old white man with a background in the corporate world; on the other, he uses that technical expertise to argue in detail for single-payer healthcare and leftist pro-worker economic policies to fight inequality. He carries a handgun, but he favors gun control. He’s a military veteran with a decorated family history, but he calls the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq “two magnificently myopic disastrous decisions.” He discusses the dangers of climate change with ranchers. He speaks Spanish. He dismisses Trump’s border wall as the idea of a “dope.” And he is zealous on the topic of good government, with specific plans to do away with gerrymandering, roll back Citizens United, and expand voter registration. He is not a California Democrat or a Chicago Democrat or a New York Democrat. He is an Amarillo Democrat. "

Fight every battle. You win some, you lose some, and some get rained out. But you dress for all of them.

Go, Sagan, go.

https://splinternews.com/the-loneliest-democrat-in-america-1829426449

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« Reply #1732 on: October 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM »
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Nolan has a new fan.
What a way with words!
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1733 on: October 10, 2018, 01:33:18 AM »
Since we're on the topic of Obama's legacy, and the recent Brazilian election has no thread here. I want to give everyone a gentle reminder what an awful president Obama is. 

https://www.thenation.com/article/how-obamas-normalization-of-the-brazil-coup-prefigured-trumpism/


Now there is a full-blown fascist a hairs-width from becoming the leader of the largest country in south american, equipped with almost unlimited political power.

The never-ending support for right wing authoritarianism in latin american by both the Democratic and Republican parties should be a reminder that imperialism is a core value among the american political establishment. And liberalism is not a pillar for the Democrats, but rather a convenience it can apply to some of it's domestic constituents.

This post would probably fit better in the Empire or foreign interventions thread. But it's good to remind everyone that it's not a problem of Corporate Democrats, it's a problem of an entire political establishment that needs to be eradicated. Yeah!

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1734 on: October 12, 2018, 12:58:36 AM »
Sauce for the goose ...

"Senate Bill 6, which calls for drug testing for Pennsylvanians on welfare and other state assistance programs"

is sauce for the gander: Amendment calls for

"proposal that would require all state lawmakers to be tested for illegal drugs."

Now that's funny.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/10/10/philadelphia-representative-proposes-bill-to-drug-test-all-pennsylvania-lawmakers/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1735 on: October 14, 2018, 08:58:37 PM »
Not so Progressive: the Congressional Progressive Caucus still sucking on corporate teat:

"not only did the Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC accept corporate contributions until recently, but also, almost all of its 78 members — including Pocan — still take corporate money individually, even as their caucus shuns it. Just four caucus members who will be returning to the House next session have pledged to decline corporate funds"

“Those small-dollar donations are a reflection of grassroots support on the ground. And it’s not easy work, it’s very hard work, but it’s what we should expect of our electeds,”

" the candidates who are not doing that hard work that are “compromising the entire system.” "

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/14/congressional-progressive-caucus-corporate-pac-money/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1736 on: October 14, 2018, 09:40:15 PM »
Hand in glove:

Compare, compare, compare

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1737 on: October 16, 2018, 03:28:28 PM »
CNN Poll Indicates A Third of Democrats Want Joe Biden to be Their Standard Bearer



CNN POLL CONDUCTED BY SSRS
Oct. 4-7
DEMOCRATS/DEMOCRATIC-LEANING INDEPENDENTS
Top Choices for Nominee
 
Biden        33%
Sanders      13%
Harris        9%
Warren        8%
Booker        5%
Kerry         5%

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1738 on: October 22, 2018, 11:35:10 PM »
Corporate democrats bay for Assange's head:

"On Wednesday, the top-ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Relations Committee sent a threatening letter to Ecuadorian President Lenín Moreno insisting that he “hand over” Assange to the “proper authorities” as a precondition for improving relations with the United States."

" ... 10 Democratic Party senators called on the Trump administration to demand that the Ecuadorian government renege on the political asylum it provided Assange six years ago."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/18/assa-o18.html

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1739 on: October 25, 2018, 10:13:26 PM »
America's finest news source:

"Chuck Schumer expressed relief Wednesday that he has never taken a stance meaningful enough to inspire someone to mail him an explosive. "

"Hopefully if I just keep my head down and stay focused on tacitly supporting the status quo, I’ll keep out of the line of fire."

https://politics.theonion.com/chuck-schumer-relieved-he-s-never-taken-stance-meaningf-1829972180

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« Reply #1740 on: November 04, 2018, 03:18:11 PM »
Putting this here mostly for laughs  ::)
But seriously some people  still believe this...?

Hillary Clinton remains the Democrats best chance to defeat Trump in 2020

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/hillary-clinton-2020-presidential-election-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-party/



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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1742 on: November 07, 2018, 01:31:40 PM »
Interesting that in these mid-terms, voter's common sense prevailed :

Democrat Diane Feinstein is IN,

https://www.google.com/search?q=dianne+fainstein&oq=dianne+fainstein&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5234j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


A Huge win by  Diane Feinstein beating her fellow Democrat competition by only 400,000 votes.

Dem Kevin de Leon    46% 2,418,912
Dem    Dianne Feinstein    54%       2,843,168

Nothing like honest to god free and fair openly contested elections to get that whiff of Liberty in the air. Here's some OPEN SOURCE EVIDENCE for y'all

2,418,912 Californians voted DEMOCRAT and AGAINST the aged octogenarian Senator, Ms Dianne Feinstein

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2018/state/ca/senate/
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1743 on: November 07, 2018, 02:45:00 PM »
Hand in glove:


Gosh can alt-left Obama bashing get more ridiculous?
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« Reply #1744 on: November 07, 2018, 03:45:27 PM »
Compare, compare, compare

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1745 on: November 07, 2018, 11:14:22 PM »
Can't win the presidency without AIPAC money: Booker backs anti BDS bill using Pittsburgh massacre as cover

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/11/semitic-massacre-palestinians/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1746 on: November 08, 2018, 06:01:13 PM »
TYT's Cenk Uygur explains, for those who are open to it and aren't hindered by an authoritarian streak:

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #1747 on: November 08, 2018, 09:00:40 PM »
CIA democrats elected to House:

" Winning seats (as of this writing) were at least nine such candidates, including two former CIA operatives, Abigail Spanberger in Virginia and Elissa Slotkin in Michigan; former military officers Max Rose in New York, Mikie Sherill in New Jersey, Chrissy Houlahan and Connor Lamb in Pennsylvania, Elaine Luria in Virginia, and Jason Crow in Colorado; and former State Department official Tom Malinowski in New Jersey, with several other races still to be decided."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/11/07/elec-n07.html

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« Reply #1748 on: November 08, 2018, 09:34:45 PM »
How shallow, visionless, ethically challenged and intellectually dishonest do you have to be to support someone like Nancy Pelosi:



Or Dianne Feinstein:



On the one hand Republican, on the other hand Democrats like this...
I don't think I could sleep if I would live in the USA.
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« Reply #1749 on: November 08, 2018, 10:38:51 PM »
K street lobbyists making out:

" ... lobbying firms — the biggest of which are typically bipartisan and pride themselves on their ability to thrive no matter which party is in power — and companies have already hired new Democratic lobbyists  ..."

“We’ve got a former chief of staff to Mitch McConnell and a former chief of staff to Nancy Pelosi,”
 
“Either you have enough Democrats or don’t, and if you don’t, you’re playing catch-up,”

"Democrats added several members of color to their caucus last night ...“I don’t know how prepared firms are for that,” said Marcus Mason, a lobbyist at the Madison Group who’s on the board of the Congressional Black Caucus Political Action Committee."

" Jeff Forbes, a Democratic lobbyist and co-founder of the firm Forbes Tate, said he expected members who are more business friendly to play an important role in the caucus."

" “There are going to be a number of voices of reason who don’t just hate corporations,” Forbes said. "

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/07/house-democrats-lobbying-973693

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