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Tom_Mazanec

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Refute climate risk denier arguments
« on: December 06, 2019, 07:50:04 PM »
Since some half that the “Stupid questions” thread was inappropriate for anti-denier arguments, someone suggested I start a dedicated thread.
Here it is.

<Edited the title to make clear what kind of denier is meant. What it all boils down to, is that these people basically deny that AGW poses any risks at all, or that the risks are negligible. Hence my term 'climate risk denier'; N.>
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Re: Refute Denier arguments
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2019, 10:44:29 PM »
Maybe it is not that thread per se but the whole idea.

Basically you see what they are doing or you don´t.
If you don´t you just have to read up on the arguments and study the actual science to see where they are misrepresenting stuff.

An interesting intro for basics is the discovery of global warming
https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

Then all the good old RealClimate stuff.

And this is the site for refuting denier stuff:
https://skepticalscience.com/

If it gets more technical then that read up on the field and possibly ask a pointed question.

On the other hand you can also wonder if it is worth it.

You will not convince everyone. People will disbelieve science if it does not jive with their believes. Of course this might change once their house burns down or something like that but no amount of well meant typing and actual proper arguments will sway them on the internet.

So why bother since it is mostly a waste of energy even if you could argue it all from memory.

If you want to invest energy try to get into some local activism. If your local kids go on strike join them.
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Re: Refute Denier arguments
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 07:54:34 AM »
If they call themselves 'christian' ask them 'why the Pope is wrong according to their opinion'. Are they proposing a doctrinal dispute among Christians. If they're non-believers, ask them which alternate cosmological theory they support. I think most (if not all) of these still approve the experimental radiation laws governing the radiation - temperature - gas composition -relationship. Ask them why all measurements on this subject are wrong in their opinion. Ask them have they seen a spectrometer, ask them why they think a simple prism, or better yet, two made of different materials, should make specific wavelengths of light quenched. Ask them do they believe their God has distorted the neural pathways of people of all other religions. On this, the answer is probably 'yes' so you may ask if they think God lies. Then say 'you are wrong on this' and you have set a seed of doubt in them whether they are being lied to by their God. Hopefully.

There's little point in arguing with them.



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Re: Refute Denier arguments
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 08:29:34 AM »
Since some half that the “Stupid questions” thread was inappropriate for anti-denier arguments, someone suggested I start a dedicated thread.
Here it is.

In General, the personification of climate change denial was Michael Crichton's book "State of Fear (2004)". The fact that this false book was published with a circulation of at least 1.5 million copies perfectly shows how strong the lobbyists of deniers are.

This book, written in a near-scientific style had a great influence on the deniers. Such books must be banned and the entire circulation destroyed.

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Re: Refute Denier arguments
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 09:01:16 AM »
Deniers have been strong in the past decade when there was a pause in global warming. Most likely, it was caused by the growth of industrial emissions of sulfur aerosols in China. But now China has very radically reduced these emissions, and now the ranks of deniers are very small. Global temperatures show a significant increase over the past decade.

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Re: Refute Denier arguments
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 09:18:08 AM »
If you look at trends in the 21st century until 2007, the year China's sulphur dioxide emissions peaked. You can see that the really strongest cold snap is observed near China-to the East of Japan.

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Re: Refute climate risk denier arguments
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2019, 04:21:34 PM »
"Exxon's Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels' Role in Global Warming Decades Ago"
and other Exxon stories denying AGW, when they really knew all the true:
https://insideclimatenews.org/content/Exxon-The-Road-Not-Taken
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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.