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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #4900 on: December 11, 2018, 07:27:19 AM »
“Nobody in the world” should be afraid of the presence of Russian bombers in Venezuela because Caracas and Moscow “are builders of peace, not war,” Venezuelan Defense Minister, Vladimir Padrino Lopez said as cited by local El Universal paper.

A nice Orwellian phrase from the ministry of peace.  ::)
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« Reply #4901 on: December 11, 2018, 08:05:02 AM »
Isn't just.  :-\



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« Reply #4902 on: December 11, 2018, 09:05:36 AM »
Ooo, look! Russians ! They're behind the sans-culottes !

https://www.rt.com/news/446085-russian-influence-yellow-vests/

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« Reply #4903 on: December 11, 2018, 10:42:06 PM »
.....Caracas and Moscow “are builders of peace, not war,” .....
A nice Orwellian phrase from the ministry of peace. 
The propaganda was such a nice phrase that Convair called their cold war B-36 nuclear bomber from the 50's the "Peacemaker",  the prop including actor Jimmy Stewart:


The propaganda was so good that the U.S. developed the double sonic nuke bomber B-58, a large, cool looking F-106 on steroids. But the B-58 had problems & would only arrive at its target late (or probably wouldn't), in time only to stir the rubble that nuke ICBMs had already destroyed.
Anyhow, the U.S. Air Force generals, after 20 years of war game over-thinking, surmised that a nuke rubble-stirrer was a good idea. The 1970's B-1, B-1A, & B-1B were the new tech B-58, refurbished.
Now, back to the original story. Over-thinking Russian generals convinced themselves that Russia needed a rubble-stirrer too, thus the Tu-160. However, the Tu-160 is bigger, faster & has longer range than the B-1B. That's why the russians can fly all the way to Venezuela (maybe they got a drink of fuel from the accompanying An-124?).
Yeah, the Tu-160 does double duty..... as a rubble stirrer & good-looking headline maker.

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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #4904 on: December 12, 2018, 09:44:01 PM »
The propaganda was such a nice phrase that Convair called their cold war B-36 nuclear bomber from the 50's the "Peacemaker",  the prop including actor Jimmy Stewart:

remember the first of it's kind that was a COLT "peacemaker" with very similar effects (somehow)
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« Reply #4905 on: December 15, 2018, 12:38:04 PM »
.....Convair...B-36 nuclear bomber "Peacemaker".......
....... COLT "peacemaker"......
The Colt made millions of "dead pieces" & never made peace. The jury is still debating about nukes. With authoritarian dictators (including "don'T rump") believing their self-righteousness, a final nuclear judgement will come, before the jury can huddle & quiver in the corner.

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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #4906 on: December 15, 2018, 03:54:50 PM »
I'm still with Paul Jay:



Some quotes:

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We should not buy into feeding the chauvinist hysteria against Russia, which feels, you know, as I say, bringing up the ghosts of the Cold War. Russia is a mid-sized capitalist country; has an autocratic government that mostly came into being because the Soviet economy after 1990 was demolished, and to a large extent facilitated by the United States, that loved the idea of the rise of these oligarchs. So it’s a state that the Americans had a hand in creating. And yeah, it’s a competitor on the global stage. But it’s not an existential threat. And who is it a competitor with? It’s a competitor with the American oligarchy. It’s not a competitor with the American people.

(...)

When this thing first broke out, I said we should not side with either oligarchy. I don’t side with the Russian oligarchy and I don’t side with the American oligarchy. We the people here, we’ve got to deal with the American oligarchy, and I hope the Russian people deal with the Russian oligarchy.

(...)

It’s become a way to bring down Trump. So as a political story, sure it’s a good story. But it’s a political story because of the partisan politics of it, and the split within the American state; the fact that the FBI and sections of the American state want to bring down Trump. But to feed the idea that Russia is this existential threat that wants to take over the world, that we’re defending the world, we’re defending democracy from this big bad enemy, that’s all BS, and we should say so. And then after that, sure, let’s cover the Mueller investigation.

(...)

This is a global system. A capitalist global system, oligarchs in various countries, whose interests converge and diverge. Sometimes they diverge so much they go to war, and who pays the price? Working people with those countries. And then they converge again. So I mean, Germany, that was the great enemy for two great wars, is now the great ally. And who knows? Ten years of depression and the rise of a far-right nationalist government in Germany, it could happen again.

I mean, you know, the bottom line is us the people can’t think we’re in the same boat of the oligarchs. That’s what happened before World War One. Whole sections of the left started to support their own oligarchs, their own capitalist class, and rooted on World War I. We can’t fall into that.

(...)

The military Budget in this country is over a trillion dollars in reality. They say $700-800 billion. But it’s really over a trillion when you look at the pockets of money that are squirreled away for nuclear and Secret Service stuff, and all the rest. That’s money that should be paying for a Green New Deal. That’s money that should be paying for public education. You can’t justify the pillaging of the public treasury for the sake of this kind of arms buildup without an enemy. So you got to–you know, it’s critical that the kind of chauvinism that’s being built around this issue is separate it from the political story, the corruption story, even the election meddling story. It’s the–it’s very, very important that we–especially people that consider themselves progressives–don’t allow the Russiaphobia to take over the story. Then sure, go to town.

(...)

We don’t know that the Muellers stuff is going to turn out to BS. It may turn out that all the accusations are true. And I’ve been saying from the beginning, if they’re all true, it’s still small stuff. It’s minor stuff. In the scheme of what issues really face us as a people, this is such, such little stuff. They always interfere in each other’s elections. Everybody plays for their advantage. They all influence whatever they can. I mean, the Americans overtly trying to bring down governments in Venezuela and, and other parts of Latin America. It goes on and on.

This is normal, global capitalist system stuff. The Americans–the only reason it’s becoming this kind of issue, just to say it again, partisan advantage. It goes to the heart of the military-industrial complex narrative that we have an existential threat, and you’ve got to spend a trillion dollars a year.
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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #4907 on: December 15, 2018, 09:05:22 PM »
.....Convair...B-36 nuclear bomber "Peacemaker".......
....... COLT "peacemaker"......
The Colt made millions of "dead pieces" & never made peace. The jury is still debating about nukes. With authoritarian dictators (including "don'T rump") believing their self-righteousness, a final nuclear judgement will come, before the jury can huddle & quiver in the corner.

after all law and order prevailed to a certain extent and as far as i know the sheriffs had those as well, hence if someone really wants to debate whether nukes make peace ( postpone war and give fundamental destruction more time to evolve IMO) then the colt made peace even more because that result is already final and documented while the day we know about the nukes for sure it will be the answer we least need while as long as we don't have a final answer we can discuss something we only know the hard way one day in the future or never (let's say very very far future)
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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #4908 on: December 15, 2018, 11:30:47 PM »
An extension of the TRNN interview with Paul Jay above:

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« Reply #4909 on: December 16, 2018, 12:52:47 AM »
As the full extent of Russia's interference in the 2016 election is revealed to congressional investigators by Google's CEO, the $4,700 is compared to the $1.6 Billion raised for the Democratic candidate by Google employees and executives.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/google-ceo-exposes-shocking-full-extent-russian-meddling-2016

I wonder what the party will run on in 2020?
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« Reply #4910 on: December 21, 2018, 03:16:09 AM »
Jimmy Dore and crew tear the NYTs a new one - Russia Controls African Americans’ Minds Says NY Times
"Get this headline from The New York Times - Russia's 2016 influence operation targeted African-Americans on social media."

"It's not stopping. I thought that this would stop. It's not."

"Oh my god. They're blizzarding with energy and imagination over well an effort to sway American opinion and divide the country which the report authors say continues to this day."

"We're helpless. Russia is running us. We just admit it. We're helpless. We can't do anything in
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22 minutes taking the piss out of the NYTs, the US Military and others. Sock Puppet to me Baby!



Jimmy in closing: "You suck! And now you know why people get their news from Youtube."

In other related news sources:

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President Putin's end of year press conference 3hrs 40mins
TEXT http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/59455
VIDEO [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdqhYU1dfeM]

Russia's state-run (SIC it's no different to BBC/CBC/ABC being publicly funded) broadcaster  RT broke Britain's broadcasting code in its reporting about the March poisoning of a Russian former spy in England, Britain's media regulator says.

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Ofcom said on December 20 that RT broke impartiality rules in seven programs broadcast over a six-week period in March-April, calling them "a serious failure of compliance." It said the TV station failed to give due weight to a wide range of voices on a matter of major political controversy. The watchdog said it was considering a "statutory sanction," which could range from a fine to a license suspension.

RT said it was "extremely disappointed by Ofcom's conclusions."
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-news-channel-rt-broke-impartiality-rules-u-k-regulator-says/29667828.html
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KYIV – Ukraine’s parliament has approved a bill that would force the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) to change its name.
The proposed law would require a religious organization whose governing center is based in a country waging war against Ukraine or occupying Ukrainian territory to change its name to reflect its affiliation. The bill would force the UOC-MP, which remains subordinate to Russia, to add "Russian" to its name.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-lawmakers-ok-law-to-rename-moscow-loyal-orthodox-church/29667780.html
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Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was worried by what he described as democratic values falling apart in the "Anglo-Saxon world."
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-saxons/29667458.html

As an old movie said "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world."
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« Reply #4911 on: December 21, 2018, 07:04:53 AM »
A report of the White Helmets in Syria
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« Reply #4912 on: December 21, 2018, 02:03:49 PM »
(apparently) Russian operatives were promoting sex toys on Instagram to sow discord in the US
By Hanna Kozlowska December 18, 2018
https://qz.com/1498265/instagram-was-a-massively-important-tool-for-russian-operatives/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jones-russia.html

Gets funnier and funnier ... copy to social media threads :)

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How deep does Russiagate go? According to an NSA-linked research firm, Russian trolls penetrated American democracy by promoting dildos on Instagram. The Pearl Harbor-like attack on the US homeland has left Twitter shaking.

The Internet Research Agency (IRA), a St. Petersburg-based troll farm allegedly financed by the Kremlin and accused of meddling in the 2016 presidential election, promoted “LGBT-positive sex toys” on Instagram as part of its nefarious plot to “sow discord” in the US, according to a new report detailing the infinite terrors of Russian disinformation.

    When "Not the Onion:" can't do it anywhere close to justice: https://t.co/ztTXIft5ZO
    — Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) December 20, 2018

New Knowledge, the private research firm caught manufacturing a fictitious “Russian troll” army to swing Alabama’s 2017 Senate race, disclosed the unsettling – but also delightfully titillating – detail in its 100-page report about the “tactics and tropes” used by the IRA. This is the smoking dildo that ‘woke’ #Resisters have been yearning for.

However, it’s not clear how deep this explosive sex-toy conspiracy goes: New Knowledge suggests the adult merchandise may have “provided the IRA with a source of revenue” – but no sales data exist. Ryan Mac, BuzzFeed’s tech reporter, wrote that “while it’s currently unknown if the IRA was actually selling sex toys, the fact that they were promoting them shows the org’s desire to build credibility in the LGBT community.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/447118-sex-toys-russiagate-russia-instagram/

I kid you not! So how "dumb" is this all going to get before it stops?

Yeah well, I am really sorry the IRA "troll farm" was only ever a money making spamming enterprise for selling products online using "faked up" Facebook accounts -- some of these types have even been advertising via RTs website. Total flakes, very manipulative bordering on "fraudulent" definitely "false advertising" or at least spin advertising techniques.

Pity. The conspiracy was ever so much more "exciting and titillating"  (sic).

Russians are not the only ones using multiple ID fake facebook accounts -- it's Facebooks primary Advertising MODEL no less .... same with all the other pinterest, instagram and soon enough twitter too. "Spamming" techniques work. It's all about access and volume..... which works by riding on the the most popular themes of the day. Simple really. 
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« Reply #4913 on: December 21, 2018, 05:49:39 PM »
Lurk
It appears that you may be guilty of participating in Putin's Humor Offensive.
My sincere apologies if your attempt was mere titillation.
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« Reply #4914 on: December 21, 2018, 09:59:45 PM »
Russian bots that disrupted American election identified by NYT

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-20/democrats-orchestrated-elaborate-false-flag-operation-posing-russian-bots-during

It turns out that they were just Democrats spending $100,000 linking Roy Moore to fake Russian bots.
While I suppose it's all legal, it certainly lowers the bar and begs us to question the stories that MSM has been breathlessly (and baselessly?) feeding us.

Democrats spend $100,000 aimed at influencing the outcome of an election.
Russians spend $4,700 trying to sell dildos during the election cycle.

I wonder how much Mueller has spent trying to discover why Hillary lost "her" election?
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« Reply #4915 on: December 21, 2018, 11:27:40 PM »
This stuff gets more crazy by the day...  ???
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« Reply #4916 on: December 22, 2018, 12:46:28 AM »
This stuff gets more crazy by the day...  ???

You asked elsewhere what to do about social media?

If it was up to me, I'd shut down the entire Internet. People would go back to being human beings again. Talking to people at banks and going to dances to meet up. The liars, the bullies, the gouging profiteers, the criminals, the disordered lunatics, and the abusers of power in corrupt institutions would be all cut off at the knees. The world would be a much better, much nicer, much safer, more sane and more caring, loving place to live in.
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« Reply #4917 on: December 22, 2018, 01:26:24 AM »
Outfoxed by the bear? America’s Losing Game Against Russia in the Near East
By:  Michael  A. Reynolds - a Senior Fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s Program on the Middle East  and an  Associate  Professor  in  Princeton’s  Department  of  Near  Eastern  Studies  where  he  teaches  courses  on  modern Middle Eastern and Eurasian history, comparative empire, military and ethnic conflict, and secularism.
https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Reynolds2018.pdf

via Harvard Belfer centre & Carnegie "Russia Matters"

In 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s famous Munich speech took stock of what Russia considered the failure of the post-Cold War détente with the West, specifically NATO’s eastward expansion and a European security architecture that excluded Russia. Today, almost 12 years later, Moscow is more isolated from its Western counterparts than at any time since the early 1980s, but also the most active and visible on the non-Western international scene that it’s been since then. This is no accident: In the atmosphere of deteriorated trust with the West, Moscow has progressively built a dual strategy of isolation and “Reconquista”—seeing and portraying itself at once as beleaguered and newly triumphant, a beacon of hope for those disappointed with the U.S.-led world order.
https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/isolation-and-reconquista-russias-toolkit-constrained-great-power
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« Reply #4918 on: December 22, 2018, 01:32:24 AM »
No, I don't think it will ever stop.

    FACT: @BBC goons (working with @ofcom) censored and re-edited my show (there) many times. Our BBC exec. Paul Gibbs told me, “BBC is state run telly, get used to it. The pretense of ‘impartiality’ is a farce.” No such problems with @RT_com https://t.co/mRAKkb1o4V
    — Max Keiser [Jan/3🔑] (@maxkeiser) December 21, 2018

Was ‘Institute for Statecraft’ behind Ofcom’s targeting of RT? Sleuths point to yes

 Documents that show the shadowy UK outfit ‘Institute for Statecraft’ previously filed complaints to Ofcom about RT raise the question if the impetus for the regulator’s most recent actions against RT came from the same source.

On Thursday, Ofcom announced it had found RT in breach of UK impartiality rules in seven instances, going back to March and April this year.

“RT is extremely disappointed by Ofcom's conclusions in what were almost all self-initiated investigations into RT by the regulator,” the network said in response.

Ofcom makes it public when a broadcast receives ten or more more complaints. Yet the purported complaints about RT shows are nowhere to be seen on its website, as former Scotland Yard detective Charles Shoebridge points out.

    It’s perhaps significant to note that @Ofcom lists programmes receiving ten or more complaints. No @RT_com broadcasts are listed, so its investigation was launched despite only a very small number of people having complained (see Audience Complaints: 2018)https://t.co/1O67P3FMZE
    — Charles Shoebridge (@ShoebridgeC) December 20, 2018

Shoebridge then did some old-fashioned detective work, and found that Ofcom might have actually received external complaints about RT – but not from members of the British public, but a government sock-puppet, the “Institute for Statecraft.” That shadowy outfit was recently unmasked by a trove of leaked documents, published by a group claiming to be the hacker collective Anonymous.
https://www.rt.com/news/447183-integrity-initiative-ofcom-rt/

also avail via UK news and twitter.

    Leaked docs show a function of the UK govt funded #IntegrityInitiative covert influence operation is to make @Ofcom complaints about @RT_com. This raises questions of where the very few complaints re RT (see tweet above) came fromhttps://t.co/VWZ2XtuVlb
    + https://t.co/DLxTVZ5tcIpic.twitter.com/wLxNvN9j2f
    — Charles Shoebridge (@ShoebridgeC) December 20, 2018


    Was @ofcom's report on @RT_com triggered by complaints filed by a propaganda mill covertly operated and funded by the UK's military and intelligence services? https://t.co/vW0kh017VM
    — Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) December 20, 2018

    This is a big story, but only the tip of the iceberg, I’m sure. A UK govt (FCO) funded body forwarding complaints to @ofcom in 2016 and requesting that the media regulator launches a formal investigation into a tv station (@RT_com ) which hosts dissident views. cc @DerbyChrisWpic.twitter.com/iT3hXOfvgS
    — Neil Clark (@NeilClark66) December 20, 2018
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« Reply #4919 on: December 24, 2018, 08:20:21 AM »
An unusually long in depth article by RT

Integrity Initiative is the biggest story of 2018 – but not because of anything it did
Published time: 23 Dec, 2018
https://www.rt.com/news/447256-integrity-initiative-psyops-establishment-media/

Could easily fit in the The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism thread
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« Reply #4920 on: January 05, 2019, 10:20:34 AM »
New material keeps arising out of the Integrity Initiative drama.

for example:
Documents obtained and published by the hackers also show connections between Skripal’s recruiter and neighbor Pablo Miller, the Institute for Statecraft, and the so-called rescue group White Helmets, created in militant-held areas of Syria by a former British official in 2013.

and

    So: #IntegrityInitiative funded by the British Govt called for the arrest of people like me like @afshinrattansi @JohnWight1 @NeilClark66 et al in the event of an “incident” like the #Skripal affair. Written incidentally before the #Salisbury events. Makes you think...@RT_com
    — George Galloway (@georgegalloway) January 4, 2019

Previously published documents have revealed the Initiative and the Institute as being involved in widespread propaganda operations targeting not only foreign countries and media outlets – as one might expect from someone doing the bidding of the Foreign Office – but also domestic political figures, such as Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

https://www.rt.com/news/448103-integrity-initiative-new-documents/

Overlords recent hacking release of 9/11 documents sounds very, no, extremely interesting as well --- it's a new way of doing things which monetizes Wikileaks' MO. At least that material won't be blaming Russia or Donald Trumps hair for what happened. ;)
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« Reply #4921 on: January 09, 2019, 06:36:57 AM »
The "Integrity Initiative" and more

Maybe this 'subject' will need a new thread of it's own one day, but until then it very much is about Russia "hysteria/accusations" in this case by the UK secret services and their interrelationships with matters such as the Skripals case and similarities to the 2016 US elections Mueller inquiry.

From where I sit however I see this activity is very much all connected and interrelated - iow it is one issue, one subject, one coordinated activity globally - merely different arms of the one Octopus at work - as such the following threads all belong together under ONE SUBJECT:

1) Russia, Russia, Russia (incl. Syria/Iran)
2) The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
3) The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
4) Empire - America and the future
5) Political theatre/wrestling (aka Mueller/Wikileaks/2016 Elections)
6) Elections 2018 USA
7) The Trump Presidency
8 ) Ukraine, Nazis and western support
9) The problem of social media
10) Elections 2020 USA
11) Russia in Ukraine (Crimea)
12) Human Stupidity (Human Mental Illness)

What should be obvious already is that until ALL the Above is "exposed", "solved" and "resolved" then next to nothing significant will ever be done collectively globally to address the fundamental causes of Global Warming, Emissions Reductions and long term solving of Climate Change dangers directly ahead.

The TWO SUBJECTS cannot be separated - because it all comes back to CORE VALUES, PRINCIPLES, JUSTICE, OPENNESS, & INTEGRITY of the very same players involved in both.
All are key character aspects sorely lacking in our current Global Leadership circles.
 
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The following info (to peruse at your leisure) digs a little deeper in some respects, please check prior posts above for more info if you're not yet aware of the UK based Integrity Initiative saga.


Moderate Rebels episode 32: Journalists Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton discuss Britain's Integrity Initiative and the information war it is waging on the public, with propaganda expert Professor David Miller. We address the scandal surrounding this UK government-funded think tank, which has attacked Jeremy Corbyn and the anti-war left and laundered disinformation through the corporate media under the guise of countering Russia.
58 min discussion





Around The Empire Published on 30 Dec 2018 1 hour  + 1 hour
Temple of Covert Propaganda (Part 1) feat Mohamed Elmaazi

In this two-part series investigative journalist Mohamed Elmaazi joins us from London. Mohamed has been working on what is potentially one of the most explosive international scandals in recent years. Hacked documents have exposed a secretive “charity” think tank, the Institute for Statecraft, which is funded by the British Foreign Office, the US State Department, NATO, Facebook, a neoconservative foundation and others.
Mohamed located their London office in a neo-gothic mansion, Two Temple Place, and later accompanied a British MP on an unwelcome visit. One of the Institute for Statecraft’s projects, The Integrity Initiative, possibly a front for military intelligence, is a covert propaganda network of politicians, journalists, academics, researchers and military officers engaged in smearing political leaders and interfering in the affairs of other allied governments.

Part 1 of 2 - 1 hour with Website Reference Links: in the 'See More' info section


Part 2 of 2 - 1 hour URL
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4CpZeyBmys]



Original Announcement 24 Nov 2018 - “Integrity Initiative” Exposed as UK Special Ops vs EU Countries. Message from The ANONYMOUS Charity -  5 mins
For now, Britain is capable of conducting such operations in the following states: Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, The Netherlands, Lithuania, Norway, Serbia and Montenegro.
London’s near-term plans to create similar clusters include Latvia, Estonia, Portugal, Sweden, Belgium, Canada, Armenia, Ukraine, Moldova, Malta, Czechia, countries of the Middle East and North Africa, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Hungary, Cyprus, Austria, Switzerland, Turkey, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, and the USA.
All the work is done under absolute secrecy via concealed contacts in British embassies, which gives rise to more suspicion that Britain uses plausible excuse to create a global system of information influence and political interference into affairs of other countries.





FOR HISTORICAL CONTEXT & PERSPECTIVE via Jimmy Dore and The Guardian from a 2011 report:
 
Revealed: U.S. Intel/Military/Spy Operation Manipulating Social Media! 13 mins
Automated software creates FAKE User profiles on Facebook and other Social Media platforms to promote and spread Pro-American Propaganda in other nations around the world.

The key question is : "The Innocent Victim OR the Original and the Best Perpetrator?"

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« Reply #4922 on: January 09, 2019, 07:06:28 AM »
George Galloway opens 2019 by talking about the Integrity Initiative, Russia and Fat Cat Friday

Transcript intro: 
2:00 ..... but now that I've got your attention let me inform you that the Integrity Initiative called for my arrest and the arrest of people like me!

They did so in a document written before the Skripal events but they predicted such an event or events and said that in the event of such an event or events every Russian agent should be immediately arrested not least their court agents of influence (unquote).

And which agents of influence did they court - yours truly and a good friend of mine Neal Clark - if he's listening might want to call us up because it seems it's been a narrow escape we might actually have been arrested at the behest of our government-funded Integrity Initiative
- the Temple of Integrity no less, so-called because it occupies the building beautifully constructed by the man who designed the Waldorf Astoria in London's Temple District which they
occupy rent and rates free at least in their accounts that they submit to the Foreign Office which have also been dumped. 

There's no provision for rent or rates so someone somewhere is a Grace and Favor Landlord for the Integrity Initiative much more importantly than threatening to arrest people like me and Neal Clark there's further evidence of a government funded attempt to undermine the leader of the Opposition in Parliament the right honourable Jeremy Corbyn PC MP - the leader of Her Majesty's
Loyal Opposition - being undermined by an Integrity Initiative funded by the Government he's opposing and indeed the Queen requires him to oppose otherwise we have no Democratic System at all.

The one thing that shocks me more than seeing my name in these papers is the fact that not a single Journalist in Britain gives a toss. Not a single one of them will give a toss. None of them will report it. None of them will ask me for a comment. That is the Briton we're living in in 2019.




On a side (but fundamental) issue for all George goes on to point out yet again:

6:15 - Now it's well-known to regular listeners I'm a follower not of Marx, not of Lenin, but of
Aristotle!
Aristotle's view that the richest in society should be no more than three times richer than the poorest for the perfect equilibrium in society is something that I support.
Not tomorrow or the day after but that ought to be the direction of travel. That's what I say. What do you say?
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« Reply #4923 on: January 09, 2019, 07:24:44 AM »
Professor David Miller gets reported on by Russia Today .... no other Fourth Estate MSM seem to think it's a "story" worth sharing with The People.

‘They made a mess & are fighting fires’: UK academic says Integrity Initiative fatally hurt by leaks - Published time: 8 Jan, 2019

 Despite being ignored by Western media, leaks from Integrity Initiative have paralyzed the operations of this UK-funded covert influence network, and could lead to its dismantling, says a leading British academic.

“This has made a mess of [Integrity Initiative’s] operations, they are spending most of their time now trying to fire-fight on the coverage this is getting. And they are not doing essentially what they are being paid to do, which is to counter the Russians,” David Miller, Professor of Political Sociology at the University of Bristol School for Policy Studies, told RT.

“The British government is getting bad value for money, if it was ever getting better value.”

As part of the Working Group on Syria, Propaganda and Media, which studies Western attempts to control media coverage of key international events, Miller has played a crucial role in studying the four tranches of data anonymously uploaded and sourced from the previously little-known group, which has been backed by the UK Foreign Office, NATO and Facebook, to the tune of over £1 million per year.

“Most of the people named are trying to pretend that this is not all of great significance, but the revelation of the involvement of the government in manipulating other countries, and the political process in the UK, is extremely damaging for them,” he said, via video link.

Miller bemoans the absence of coverage of what he calls a “real, genuine scandal” in top English-language news sources, which, he says, are themselves implicated in the fallout.

Integrity Initiative are beyond the realms of sense. The activities they are engaged in are morally and ethically dubious, and will certainly – as we can see already – backfire on them,” he said.

“This will result hopefully in the ending of this operation, and if we are lucky, a sensible discussion in parliament about controlling the future British covert operations.”

https://www.rt.com/news/448325-integrity-initiative-shut-down-leaks/
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« Reply #4924 on: January 10, 2019, 03:16:26 AM »
Russia/Syria/Israel/US ... accusation of a War Crime by Israel Military / Govt

Israel Uses Commercial Airliners As Cover For Bombings in Syria on Xmas Day

Quote "... Provocative acts by the Israeli Air Force endangered two passenger jets when six of their F-16s carried out airstrikes on Syria from Lebanese airspace."

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« Reply #4925 on: January 10, 2019, 05:59:00 AM »
security firm accused by FBI of spying actually helped FBI catch a spy in NSA: Kaspersky turned in Martin to FBI

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/russia-kaspersky-lab-nsa-cybersecurity-1089131

Those damn Russians !

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« Reply #4926 on: January 10, 2019, 06:53:41 AM »
Haha! U.S. incompetence levels have long been the highest in the world. Supreme incompetence in fact in the areas of military, intel services, financial regulation and politics overall, obviously.

Quoting from above:
It indicates that the government’s own internal monitoring systems and investigators had little to do with catching Martin, who prosecutors say took home an estimated 50 terabytes of data from the NSA and other government offices over a two-decade period, including some of the NSA’s most sophisticated and sensitive hacking tools.

Idiots! How did Chelsea Manning get her data to send to Wikileaks? She gets 30 years while the Idiots still have a Job, possibly a Promotion, and a Pension for life. It's got to be the worlds longest running Joke? 

As for Kapsersky the man, no way is he an active pro-anyone spy, and anything like that is definitely contrary to his Company Policy and their checks. Accusations against Kaspersky the Company are as irrationally insane as most of the crazy accusations that come pouring out of DC the Pentagon and the US media are.
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« Reply #4927 on: January 10, 2019, 07:26:21 AM »
‘West badly needs US leadership’

Despite the elected White House administration tentatively attempting a rapprochement with the Kremlin at the time, the group, effectively a foreign agent on US soil, suggests in the first document, dated to August 2017, that Washington needs to go in a radically different, if familiar, direction, “before it is too late.”

“The West is badly in need of a reassertion of US leadership. The EU has been unable to generate any strategic thinking or to exercise convincing leadership. Russia (& China) are successfully driving wedges between EU Member States and between Allies within NATO,” reads the plaintive precis.
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 Screenshot from the leaked US office proposal

But, luckily for America, it doesn’t have to fear foreign meddling, as “the cluster will work completely impartially and not become involved in US party politics.”

 Screenshot from leaked file

It’s not 'meddling' when Integrity Initiative does it

https://www.rt.com/news/448420-integrity-initiative-washington-cold-war/
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« Reply #4928 on: January 13, 2019, 11:09:27 PM »
Russia continues dollar dump: moves deeper into yuan and euro

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-dumps-101-billion-dollar-085753166.html

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« Reply #4929 on: January 21, 2019, 11:47:39 PM »
Anti-Trump Frenzy Threatens to End Superpower Diplomacy
Baseless Russiagate allegations continue to risk war with Russia.
By Stephen F. Cohen
January 16, 2019
https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-trump-frenzy-threatens-to-end-superpower-diplomacy

I'm unsure why Cohen bothers. Makes no difference what he says or what he shows others.
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« Reply #4930 on: January 22, 2019, 09:34:03 PM »
Integrity Initiative wipes it's entire website pending probe into ‘theft’ of disturbing leaked data

 The British state-funded Integrity Initiative, exposed last year for conducting Europe-wide political influence campaigns in leaked files, has removed all of its website content “pending an investigation” into the data “theft.”

A group claiming association with the loose hacktivist collective Anonymous has been dumping private Integrity Initiative documents online in various batches since November. The leaks revealed that the Scotland-based, government-funded organization, which bills itself as a non-partisan disinformation-busting charity, was actually using “clusters” of journalists, politicians, and academics to carry out secret anti-Russia campaigns, interfere in domestic politics across Europe and smear anyone who questioned its narratives.

    The realisation has only really just struck me hard that the people who have been most vocal in making totally false claims that I am in any way paid by Russia, were themselves being secretly paid to make those claims by my former employer, the FCO, via the Integrity Initiative.
    — Craig Murray (@CraigMurrayOrg) January 22, 2019

In a surprise move on Monday, the Integrity Initiative abruptly announced on Twitter that it had “temporarily removed” all content from its site “pending an investigation into the theft of data” from the Institute of Statecraft, the II’s London-based parent operation.

    We've temporarily removed all content from our website, pending an investigation into the theft of data from the Institute for Statecraft and the Integrity Initiative. The website will be relaunched shortly. https://t.co/aS5fnnmffV
    — Integrity Initiative (@InitIntegrity) January 21, 2019

In a statement posted on its now mostly bare website, the II claimed the leaks were "part of a campaign to undermine the work" of the Initiative which it said involved “researching, publicising and countering the threat” Europe faces in the in the form of “disinformation” and “hybrid warfare” – ironically, exactly what the shady organization itself was accused of engaging in with its hefty government paycheck.

more details with some funny social media comments
https://www.rt.com/news/449451-integrity-initiative-deletes-content/



Ref from above:

Professor David Miller gets reported on by Russia Today .... no other Fourth Estate MSM seem to think it's a "story" worth sharing with The People.

‘They made a mess & are fighting fires’: UK academic says Integrity Initiative fatally hurt by leaks - Published time: 8 Jan, 2019

 Despite being ignored by Western media, leaks from Integrity Initiative have paralyzed the operations of this UK-funded covert influence network, and could lead to its dismantling, says a leading British academic.

“This has made a mess of [Integrity Initiative’s] operations, they are spending most of their time now trying to fire-fight on the coverage this is getting. And they are not doing essentially what they are being paid to do, which is to counter the Russians,” David Miller, Professor of Political Sociology at the University of Bristol School for Policy Studies, told RT.

“The British government is getting bad value for money, if it was ever getting better value.”

As part of the Working Group on Syria, Propaganda and Media, which studies Western attempts to control media coverage of key international events, Miller has played a crucial role in studying the four tranches of data anonymously uploaded and sourced from the previously little-known group, which has been backed by the UK Foreign Office, NATO and Facebook, to the tune of over £1 million per year.
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« Reply #4931 on: January 23, 2019, 10:42:02 AM »
Russia continues dollar dump: moves deeper into yuan and euro

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-dumps-101-billion-dollar-085753166.html

sidd

Often, it's good to take a closer look at a news report like this one, to see what's really going on.

For starters, this move by Russia to sell dollars and buy yuan and euro is not really "news" since it happened in Q2 last year :

Quote
Russia’s central bank dumped $101 billion in U.S. holdings from its huge reserves, shifting into euros and yuan last spring amid a new round of U.S. sanctions.

The central bank moved the equivalent of $44 billion each into the European and Chinese currencies in the second quarter

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“Russia is making a strategic shift in its reserves towards holding fewer dollars and more assets in other currencies,” said Benn Steil, director of international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

This was a risky move by Russia because :

Quote
The shift has reduced the credit quality of Russia’s reserves, with the share of AA-rated assets dropping to 27 percent from 43 percent, according to the central bank report.

And also it seems that in hind-sight it was a pretty dumb move by Russia.
Not only did they lose credit quality, but they also lost asset value :

The yuan lost some 8 % against the dollar since Q2 last year.
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« Reply #4932 on: January 24, 2019, 02:48:28 AM »
UK-funded psyop outfit Integrity Initiative locks Twitter account

 After wiping its website clean pending a ‘probe’ into embarrassing leaks, the British state-funded Integrity Initiative (II) has hidden its Twitter account from the public, meaning only ‘approved’ followers can see its activity.

The Scotland-based organization, which received roughly £2 million in government funding over the last 18 months, had fashioned itself as a benign charity fighting “disinformation” online.

    Integrity Initiative has locked its Twitter account. You have to be an accepted follower to hear how it defends you from disinformation. UK FCO surely needs to reconsider its commitment to funding the operation? pic.twitter.com/rh3f2t1U5N
    — Tim Hayward (@Tim_Hayward_) January 23, 2019

    Integrity @InitIntegrity Initiative has now protected its tweets. So - although it claims to be "tackling disinformation" - only approved followers can know about it? 😅 pic.twitter.com/NVDvVHvy20
    — Not CNN T-101 (@Articlefifty50) January 23, 2019


    @InitIntegrity so much for ‘media freedom’, you can’t even see what they tweet unless you conform, hardly transparency when they don’t want to see or hear other views.
    — Lindsey Smith (@firstfinequine) January 23, 2019

    The #IntegrityInitiative#Twitter account is now 'protected'.

    There's nothing to hide, is there?

    Too many dots being joined it seems. pic.twitter.com/dsGtT1S3TY
    — Fvnk (@WhatTheFvnk) January 23, 2019


Hehehehe too funny.
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« Reply #4933 on: January 24, 2019, 02:57:25 AM »
Russia continues dollar dump: moves deeper into yuan and euro

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-dumps-101-billion-dollar-085753166.html

sidd

Often, it's good to take a closer look at a news report like this one, to see what's really going on.

For starters, this move by Russia to sell dollars and buy yuan and euro is not really "news" since it happened in Q2 last year :

Does this help?

Quoting: "The share of the US currency in Russia’s international reserves portfolio has dramatically decreased in just three months between March and June 2018, from 43.7 percent to a new low of 21.9 percent, according to the Central Bank’s latest quarterly report, which is issued with a six-month lag."
https://www.rt.com/business/448441-russia-reserves-dollar-dump/

Sounds like new "News" to me. ;)

Want more News?

16 Jan, 2019
https://www.rt.com/business/448930-russia-foreign-reserves-growth/
18 Jan, 2019
https://www.rt.com/business/449111-russia-fifth-holder-gold/
22 Jan, 2019
https://www.rt.com/business/449421-russian-gold-replace-dollar/

Now given Russia is such a small country 'economically/GDP' wise it'd be barely a hill of beans.
But given Russia is not the only nation doing this the last year and still this year well maybe there's more to it than meets the eye? ;)

BTW there are lots of referenced verifiable facts to be found on the RT News website every day. Plus "opinion" pieces which can be taken with a grain of salt like all those found on every other news media site on the planet. Buyer beware!
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« Reply #4934 on: January 24, 2019, 03:38:02 AM »
And also it seems that in hind-sight it was a pretty dumb move by Russia.
Not only did they lose credit quality, but they also lost asset value :

The yuan lost some 8 % against the dollar since Q2 last year.

PS

On the surface view that might seem a reasonable view to take. It really depends on the "perspective" taken though. Plus what was the actual purpose of buying Yuan in the first place.

I think the assumption the purpose was to gain an increasing "asset value" of their Yuan holdings misses the point if one is only looking at it as an "investment strategy".  And one that is predicated on the US$ as the most important yardstick over the short term.

These central banking shifts are very much based on long term strategies and must consider trading constraints that may exist and the specific purpose that Yuan will be used for.

If I have kept up to speed on this thee is a shift in trade settlements away from the USD to other currencies and not only in regard Russia/China. In this case both central banks will need to have higher holdings of both Rubles and Yuan in order to service commercial Bank settlements for trade in/out.

It doesn't really matter what the current daily price for Yuan is because those trade exchanges have already been set on an appropriate "value" be it in Yuan, Rubles, EU or USD or say the Gold Price. The USD is only one possible yardstick. But if that was used it simply means the Chinese will need to pay more in Yuan than otherwise would be case. And then any up/down movements in the Ruble also being computed. At the end of the day both sides of the deal Pay X and Receive X for whatever was bought/sold.

If they are not trading in USD then they both have less of a need to hold X volume of USD in the central bank or in the commercial banks.  And what this means longer term is that holders of USD like other nations banks and commercial banks are cut out of the loop and therefore they no longer receive their healthy Commission % Cut using their USD to move shit around the world.

At the end of the day this means that US Financiers and Banks active in the global foreign exchange system lose out on Income ... their money for jam shall we say. The Chinese and the Russian Banks make that Income instead.

Even longer term the more the US keeps on throwing financial sanctions around like its confetti the more nations will switch out of USD and stop using US Financial/Bank services to get around those ludicrous trade sanctions. Like is already happening with Russia, China, India, Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and even the EU nations (looking to establish a SWIFT replacement and VISA/MC replacements) as well as a host of other nations.

Some might call it shooting oneself in the foot.

The obvious aspect to having a misguided "perspective" here is assuming the USD will not fall in value far below any falls in value of the Yuan, Ruble or Euro into the future. Most stock and finance experts can see a collapsing USD into the future as far as the eye can see.

Getting out of USD "assets" is actually a good strategy now and all year and next year too. After that it will likely be too late to bail out. Also long term everyone "in the know" is very Bullish on Gold and Silver for good reasons.

Or to put it another way ... things are not always as they might appear to be on the surface. :)
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« Reply #4935 on: January 27, 2019, 07:54:11 AM »
Integrity Initiative Part 5

A new batch of leaked files from the covert influence network exposes how the Integrity Initiative recruits high-flying businessmen for intel ops, shows UK Muslims “why NATO matters” and prepares for nuclear conflict with Russia.

https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/operation-integrity-initiative-british-informational-war-against-all-part-5/

eg

“To that end we have supported the creation of special Army reserve units (e.g. 77 Bde and SGMI – Specialist Group Military Intelligence) with which we now have a close, informal relationship. These bring in, as reservists with a special status, individuals who are very senior civilian experts in some relevant area, such as Hedge Fund managers, senior bankers, Heads of PA companies, etc. I.e. people whom the Army could never afford to hire, but who donate their time and expertise as patriots” – stated Dan Lafayeedney, co-director of the Institute for Statecraft, during a meeting in Israel in the summer of 2018.


Donnelly and his right hand man Alex Finnen, a senior fellow at the Institute for Statecraft and major of the UK intelligence, selected and interviewed candidates for SGMI. Following the interview, they assembled the candidates at Two Temple Place, central London.


Elsewhere, Lafayeedney, who calls the Integrity Initiative not a “think tank” but a “do tank,” boasts that its work is “very sensitive as we feed it into the highest levels of MOD [Ministry of Defence] and the armed forces.”

Following the Money from Russia (?)

“If we can identify a likely target (eg a university with an anti-fracking agenda) they will run this as an academic exercise, an experiment. The behaviour of an organisation may help identify it as a suitable target to investigate. Universities can sometimes be very untransparent re their funding,” says the document, which apparently was formed from a discussion involving the aforementioned Ian Cohen, and Perry Fawcett, a prominent executive also on the “patriot” list.


Nuclear war paranoia:
“The reality of the Russian nuclear doctrine is that it will not back down. Especially after the amount Russia has invested, how much core Russian capital is tied into nuclear capabilities,” reads the assessment of Moscow’s nuclear policy, formulated in the aftermath of the Russian Zapad exercises in 2017, which provoked an outburst of fearmongering in the West.

“Where the West would eventually bring enough forces to push a Russian advance back [in case of a localized conflict], in that push. There would be an assessment, and the conclusion would be that regime change was in motion – It is widely believed, in that instance, they would resort to nuclear weapons.”

The most chilling part of the assessment is not just the apparent readiness to deploy the West's own weapons of mass destruction, but the logical jump to post-nuclear war combat.

“War games usually start with Russia about to, or using a nuclear weapon. We need to think about, what is Russia’s response after using a nuclear weapon,” it continues.

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« Reply #4936 on: January 27, 2019, 06:51:39 PM »
I re-watched Dr. Strangelove last week. That's what this Integrity Initiative stuff looks like to me. A bunch of parasitic idiots/madmen, thirsty for war. They do everything they accuse Russia of, and worse. These people, everyone involved with the 'Integrity' Initiative, are the lowest of the lowest.
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« Reply #4937 on: January 27, 2019, 10:32:09 PM »
I re-watched Dr. Strangelove last week. That's what this Integrity Initiative stuff looks like to me. A bunch of parasitic idiots/madmen, thirsty for war. They do everything they accuse Russia of, and worse. These people, everyone involved with the 'Integrity' Initiative, are the lowest of the lowest.
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They've read Orwell as an operations manual, rather than as cautionary works of fiction.


The Atlantic Council posing as "The Legion of Truth", should have had them rolling in the aisles. Now that it's a fait accompli, reacting to their ongoing gaffes by highlighting the source of their funding would cause them to hide their heads in shame - were they capable of feeling shame.


Reopen the asylums, we've a fresh batch of boobies ready for their hatch.
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« Reply #4938 on: January 28, 2019, 06:31:52 AM »
Like Julian Assange I too believe that nations should have secret intelligence services to protect their national security, their self-interests and ensure a viable polity. There's nothing wrong in that, It's logical rational and sensible.

But it used to be a 100% Government undertaking across multiple Departments. I'm not only referring to the UK and USA but to all states, be they democratic or not, is irrelevant. So political parties and/or individual Presidents would win office in elections and form a Government. That Government then took responsibility for their Intelligence operations and Military national security etc.

Typically Laws were in place for funding these activities, and the congress/parliament of the day was responsible for the checks and balances of what the Govt was doing, particularly "in secret". They did this on behalf of the people who elected that Parliament/Congressional body as well as voting in the Government itself.

Ministers / Secretaries were beholding not only to the "head of Govt" but also to the People via the parliament/Congress as a whole. The media too was a part of this system of checks and balances to hold said Govt to account and to report to the people news of national importance. Including exposing Govt / Department secrets when necessary.

All along this line were checks and balances and levels of accountability. Any rogue public servant dept head or operative was supposed to be dealt with by the Govt appointed Minister/Secretary and if they didn't hopefully the Parliament / Congress or Media would get involved. But at the end of the day these Ministers / Secretaries and how the money was being spent and what activities they were actually doing, and what GEOPOLITICAL decisions were being made by GOVT from day to day was always ultimately governed by the WILL OF THE PEOPLE via the national assembly body or at the next election (or in the case of China/USSR/dictatorships etc by the governing politburo and public opinion generally, or sometimes the Military smarts of the day.)

 Something significant has changed these last 10 to 20 years. Now we have all these PRIVATE GROUPS (including Private Armed forces) operating at ARMS LENGTH from the Government of the day .... where the Govt is not held accountable, for these entities and groups are essentially not really part of the Government or Public Service at all.

And yet, actually they are. They are funded by various streams from the Govt coffers but no one in Parliament or Congress knows anything about it.

More than that it appears also that these "entities" are also the TAIL WAGGING THE DOG ... the Dog being the Government (aka The people) and that tails is being wagged via SECRET Media and Social media genrated HYPE.

HYPE that the Government of the day is apparently NOT responsible for in any way.... and where Parliament/Congress seem impotent at addressing let lone even knowing about? 

WTF is going on here?

Cambridge Analytica being hired by "governments/political parties" to organize corrupt influences in Elections?  Accusing their opponents of fraud or illicit affairs after being set up by CA?

Integrity Initiative .... set up by Govt but not really a part of the Govt, and yet paid Government employees are involved in it's "private independent work'? WTF?

Christopher Steele, a foreigner, a private operator for profit business "Mr Intel Great" being paid by the PUBLIC donations made to US Democratic Party re-election campaigns and to SuperPACS three times removed from the DNC and HRC? WTF is that all about?

Steele's "nefarious illicit duplicitous unverifiable secret material" ends up being used by US Law Enforcement and politically appointed / influenced / directed  Justice Dept Officials in seeking secret FISA warrants against HRCs political adversaries in an election?

Judas priest! Next to these current activities and players Richard Nixon was a saint at the esteemed level of a George Washington.

And the above is only the TIP of an ICEBERG the size of the Arctic Ocean ....  Dr Strangelove indeed. Total lunacy. But here we have the traditional protectors of The People and the System up to their necks as involved Players in these Scams ... The Media, the Journalists, Academics, the Military and the Intel operatives and Law Enforcement and the Justice Dept themselves.

Donald Trump as well as Russia are the least of America's problems atm. The same goes for the UK and others. One day this is going to turn into one hell of mess where we will be sent packing back to a life not dissimilar to 18th century Europe. Not only do too few people care, most cannot even see it. In fact some people actively promote it as being "good" for us all.

That's just crazy, and so sad. Hundreds of years of progressive freedom gains and equity and the building of functional ethical institutions for the people blown away in less than a generation if it keeps going as it is now!!!

I'm grateful I am not a teen or in my early 20s starting out in life in a "western democracy" today. 
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« Reply #4939 on: February 03, 2019, 01:59:29 AM »
Ooo, look Russians ! Pushing Gabbard !

" Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii ... has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016."

"Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support ..."

" "Her promulgation of positions compatible with Russian geo strategic interests can help them mainstream such discussion in the [Democratic] party," said Alex Stamos, former chief security officer at Facebook and now an NBC News analyst. Gabbard, said Stamos, helps them with all their "lines of attack." "

"Experts in Russian on-line propaganda say Gabbard appeals to pro-Russian sites because her positions —and her appeal as an outsider in her own party — can be used to create division among Democrats."

"reminiscent of Russian media promotion of Jill Stein"

"You can just see it coming. They're telegraphing what coming the next two years, which is playing in the left."

"Stamos agrees that Gabbard could be used to inject pro-Russian positions into the Democratic Party's discussions"

"Experts who track inauthentic social media accounts, however, have already found some extolling Gabbard's positions "

"three of the top 15 URLs shared by the 800 social media accounts affiliated with known and suspected Russian propaganda operations directed at U.S. citizens were about Gabbard."

" "A few of our analysts saw some chatter on 8chan saying she was a good 'divider' candidate to amplify," said New Knowledge's director of research Renee DiResta ..."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

All the usual suspects pushing this story. Gabbard has them scared. She must be stopped. This attack never gets old for war parties and corporate democrats.

Meanwhile, I have seen chatter that says nbcnews is a running dog of western imperialism ...

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« Reply #4940 on: February 07, 2019, 09:10:37 AM »
A court in Oryol has sentenced a local Jehovah's Witnesses elder to six years in prison for alleged extremist activity, for being... a Jehovah's Witness. Before hearing his verdict, Dennis Christensen, a Danish citizen, told reporters that he hoped Russia would observe his right to religious freedom.

Oryol courts banned Jehovah's Witnesses in 2016, a year before Russia’s Supreme Court outlawed the religious group as an extremist organization. Since the national ban, more than 80 criminal cases have been filed against Jehovah's Witnesses across Russia.

Dennis Christensen moved to Russia in 1999, settling in Murmansk, where he met his future wife, a recent convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses. They married in 2002 and four years later moved to Oryol, where Christensen works as a private contractor. He was detained by police in late May 2017, becoming the first Jehovah's Witness to be arrested after the Supreme Court’s controversial ruling.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2019/02/06/russian-court-sentences-jehovah-s-witnesses-elder-to-six-years-in-prison-for-extremism
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« Reply #4941 on: February 08, 2019, 12:42:43 AM »
Oh well. The US Constitution is not a Universal artifact. US laws do not apply globally iow. Neither does it's "culture and social norms" apply anywhere but inside US borders and pro-US minds.

Russia also bans Scientology as an extremist group and for practicing health care without a license. Sounds like a good thing to me. Not a lot of difference between JW and Scientologists both are extreme nutters who believe in BS and abuse their followers and skirt accepted social norms and Laws at will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Russia

Meanwhile in France another "enlightened nation" of some note: A 1995 parliamentary report lists Scientology as a cult,[3][4] which has since been under the watch of MIVILUDES and its predecessors (Observatoire interministériel sur les sectes and interministérielle de lutte contre les sectes).[5][6] In its 2006 report MIVILUDES classified Scientology as a dangerous cult.[7]

Seven officials from the Church of Scientology in France have been convicted of crimes such as embezzlement, and contribution to suicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_France

Singapore

    See Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses (Singapore)

In 1972 the Singapore government de-registered and banned the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses on the grounds that its members refuse to perform military service (which is obligatory for all male citizens), salute the flag, or swear oaths of allegiance to the state.[16][17] Singapore has banned all written materials (including Bibles) published by the International Bible Students Association and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, both publishing arms of the Jehovah's Witnesses. A person in possession of banned literature can be fined up to S$2,000 (US$1,460) and jailed up to 12 months for a first conviction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_governments

In the US Scientology came close to be de-registered as a Religion .... then the case folded. Why? because Scientology acted like the Mafia using instead the "US laws" to threaten suing every single individual person govt employee and Govt Official who was involved in the criminal and Tax avoidance  investigations against the Cult.

Scientology "won" the Govt caved, the IRS caved, and the prosecutions dropped.

Feel free to knock yourself out Rob in defense of the JW and Scientologists and railing against those Govts who have taken actions the US Govt is incapable of and cowardly afraid of pursuing.
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« Reply #4942 on: February 08, 2019, 09:41:50 AM »
<moved to Political theatre thread; N.>
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« Reply #4943 on: February 08, 2019, 10:40:02 AM »
Sidd on another thread:

Prof. Lukin takes a thoughtful look back: paying for past sins

"Many Russians who advocated democratic reforms in the early 1990s and for whom both the Yeltsin kleptocracy and the Communist dictatorship were anathema now have reason to blame Talbott and his like-minded associates for contributing to authoritarianism in Russia. Those policies served to discredit Russia’s pro-Western forces completely ..."

"Putin was not initially opposed to the West. Not only did he make several significant concessions to the United States shortly after coming to power ..."

"Putin went through the same stages as Yeltsin had: from hopes of establishing equal cooperation with the United States to the understanding that it was impossible and transitioning to a more independent course. Gorbachev went through a similar process, but only after he was no longer in power. Today, Gorbachev is extremely skeptical about the United States. The similar evolution in the views of three initially pro-Western Moscow leaders shows that it is nearly impossible to establish equal cooperation with the United States because Washington does not, in fact, accept this concept. "

"Like the “true communism” that never actually emerged, Western ideology anticipates a “liberal world order” that has never actually existed, but that the United States and its allies—as the global avant-garde—hope to create."

"the real Russia turned out to be very different from the Russia of their imaginations. In fact, the same can be said about the real America ..."

Read the whole thing:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-united-states-got-russia-wrong-42977

Prof. Lukin is kinder than I would be.

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« Reply #4944 on: February 10, 2019, 07:26:06 AM »
OMG I am not going to quote two Russian media sources on a Russia Russia Russia thread reporting the News of what just happened in Russia am I?

Yes :)

 By hosting a meeting between the Taliban and other Afghan delegates, Moscow has greatly contributed to a peace process in Afghanistan, ex-President Hamid Karzai said, denouncing years of “failed” US military presence and policies.

“We would like to express our deep gratitude to the Russian government for the efforts it took to create conditions for the intra-Afghan meeting in Moscow,” Karzai told Sputnik news agency, adding that the two-day talks “exceeded all expectations.”

The former Afghan president called the talks a “historic step” and called Moscow’s approach “successful and effective.” Karzai spoke highly of Russia’s role and expressed his hope that Moscow would continue to contribute to intra-Afghan reconciliation until “Afghanistan gets back on its feet.”

    'We welcome a positive Russian role that facilitates reconciliation, that facilitates a peace settlement, that facilitates inter-Afghan dialogue' https://t.co/RXD28vKCj1
    — RT (@RT_com) February 9, 2019

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« Reply #4945 on: February 15, 2019, 12:19:11 AM »
Everybody who speaks out against corporate Democrats must be Russian: Chavez at the Intercept

"these critics are Russian bots ...  “paid for by Russia.” ... “it originated from Russian bots.”

"that the ADOS hashtag is a way to identify foreign influence. “A lot of the ones that are pretending to be black people, black women in particular, who are focusing on black identity, have these sort of aspects in the ways that they’re talking about language,” she said. She went on to say that bots are posing as black Americans using “the vernacular or the language of someone that believes they are a part of our community” to claim authority to represent black Americans."

"The creators of the hashtag — Antonio Moore, an attorney in California, and Yvette Carnell, a political commentator — are neither Russian nor bots "

" ... accusations like Reid’s are a McCarthyite tactic in the same vein as the attempts to publicly discredit Martin Luther King Jr. “It’s troubling, the lengths that these people will go to undermine authentic Black advocacy in order to prop up the Democratic establishment,”  "

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/13/ados-kamala-harris-cory-booker-russian-bots/

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« Reply #4946 on: February 15, 2019, 01:24:40 AM »
OMG I am not going to quote two Russian media sources on a Russia Russia Russia thread reporting the News of what just happened in Russia am I?

Of course you forget to mention that Putin's party is trying to rewrite Afghan-Russian history. And that somehow got into Trump's brain. Waiting for Jimmy Dore to chime in. :)

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« Reply #4947 on: February 15, 2019, 04:37:33 AM »
It's a bit hard to forget something that never happened, don't you think?
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« Reply #4948 on: February 15, 2019, 08:39:09 AM »
After uncovering the two prime suspects in the Skripal case (GRU agents Anatoly Chepiga and Alexander Mishkin), Bellingcat now also uncovered the identity of the third suspect, who entered the UK under the (cover) name Sergey Fedotov :

It's Denis Sergeev, High-Ranking GRU Officer, a graduate of Russia’s Military Diplomatic Academy.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/02/14/third-suspect-in-skripal-poisoning-identified-as-denis-sergeev-high-ranking-gru-officer/


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« Reply #4949 on: February 15, 2019, 09:51:02 AM »
Did Bellingcat get that info from some intelligence agency directly, or did it first pass through the Integrity Initiative? Maybe New Knowledge was involved, or perhaps even the good people from Cambridge Analytica?
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