And here Jimmy Dore raises several issues that still worry me as well (the amount of attention of speculation that Russiagate gets, when there's still so little known about the investigation + what happens if Trump does get impeached or resigns?). Video is called Bernie: "May Turn Out Trump Did NOT Collude W/ Russia":
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I think Jimmy's been reading this thread !!!
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I brought both topics up at a dinner last evening in Toronto. Both (ALL) sides of the political spectrum, except possibly moderates, were well represented.
Everyone in this group of Canadians sees whatever is going on now in the USofA to be one of the most dangerous threats to democracy that the West has faced in a very long time.
The US really does exert a tremendous influence on the rest of the world. If the US has no faith in her own electoral processes, why should the rest of the West have faith in the US?
The West may not always follow America's wants, nor give in to her demands, but the US is usually given the benefit of doubt. When American's claim that their election was a fraud & that their President is a liar and a cheat, how do you think the rest of the world should react?
We remember both Red Scare Witch Hunts, some other nations piled on too, but most now rue their actions.
Our leaders for the most part chant "Down With Putin", it's expected of them - but the citizenry are not entirely convinced. Canadians, to my disappointment, are pretty anti-Russian, possibly because of the large numbers of Ukrainians, Poles and Estonians that immigrated here after WWII. We have little like for, and even less respect for Trump. But we see what's occurring as a rhyme to the Red Scare of a generation past, and don't relish a repeat.
We (Canadians) didn't do Vietnam & we didn't do Iraq, and everyone I've met is proud of those decisions. We did lock up our Japanese, and some others during WWII, most feel this left a dark stain on our nations pride.
However things work themselves out south of the border, it's unlikely that Canadians will think it reflects well on your country. If Trump is vindicated, the cry will be. "Why did you persecute this innocent man?". If Trump is impeached, the cry will be, "Why did you elect this flawed man?"
Estonia, Poland, Ukrainian, China, and Serbia were all represented at the dinner, as was Israel, America, the British Isles and Canada, not bad for <40 in attendance. Canada is a country that prides itself on her diversity. All were in agreement that even if Russia had attempted to "hack the election", it almost certainly would have had little effect.
Probably 25% of those present had at least some software development experience. Lots of PhD's, lots of STEM grads and Professors. Not perhaps a good cross section, but definitely an interested demographic.
Hearts and minds are important & you're not operating in a vacuum.
You can tell me that what a bunch of egg heads in Toronto think doesn't matter, but don't complain when we're all driving Japanese or European cars.
Terry