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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5150 on: May 21, 2023, 05:44:00 PM »
Black Agenda Report

Durham Report Reveals the Real Threat to “Democracy”
– The FBI Weaponized by Democrat Party Affiliated Elites

Donald Trump calls Russiagate a "hoax" but it is in fact much worse. The manufactured scandal was part of successful efforts to intimidate, to censor, and to discredit opposition to state narratives. Russiagate is used to make the case for the proxy war in Ukraine. Here in the US it plays a role in subjugating the Black liberation movement. It is the 21st century version of COINTELPRO.
 

                                               “trenches of ideas are more powerful than weapons.” (Jose Marti)

                                                       “...the American public was scammed.” (Donald Trump)

Six years and millions of dollars later, the “Durham report” released on May 15th confirmed once again what a few of us had the nerve to argue before all of the reports and stories that subsequently emerged – that “Russiagate” was the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on the U.S. public by a section of the capitalist rulers and represented a maturing of a form of U.S. neofascism unique to this historical moment.

The public may have forgotten that during the Trump Administration U.S. Attorney General Bob Barr assigned John H. Durham as special counsel to review the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign.  The Durham report, as it is being referred to in the media, corroborated many of the conclusions reached by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report in 2019. Among the findings in the Horowitz report, was evidence suggesting that the FBI made what was referred to as “basic, fundamental, and serious errors” in applying for a warrant to surveil the Trump campaign.

However, the Durham report went further suggesting that the US Justice Department and FBI “failed to uphold their mission” when they launched their initial investigation of former president Donald Trump. What the report alluded to and what is important to remind the public of, is that the “investigation” by the FBI of the Trump campaign constituted a full-blown counterintelligence campaign. Dubbed “Crossfire Hurricane,” the investigation of a presidential contender from one of the two major parties allowed to conduct national presidential campaigns without overbearing legal constraints, was truly unprecedented.

The Durham report was quite explicit:

“Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the Department and the FBI failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law,”

In other words, the FBI operated beyond the boundaries of the law. Let’s examine what this means for the character of what is called U.S. “democracy.”

Taken together - the Mueller report that failed to uncover collusion between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign, and the Horowitz report that revealed violations of FBI protocols and which generated legal proceedings against some agents related to information used to justify launching Crossfire Hurricane, and now the Durham report - it is clear that the political and cultural phenomenon known as “Russiagate” could be legitimately characterized as a state-sponsored domestic psy-op.

Where are the criminal prosecutions?
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One point that we are in agreement with the New York Times is that Russiagate will not die as long as it is a useful tool for intimidating the public. The lawlessness of the FBI is not really lawlessness, it is standard operating procedures when law is instrumental, a weapon of the class struggle.

Sanctions, coups, assassinations are all illegal, but essentially that is of little importance to colonial/capitalist power. What matters to neoliberal capitalist power is “sowing discord” that might result in opposition to its program. When that happens, it does not matter if you are the leader of a wing of the bourgeoisie and former president with neofascist proclivities, or the leader of a Black socialist party, you will find yourself facing the full force of the capitalist ruling class and its state power.

Ajamu Baraka is Chairman of the Coordinating Committee of the Black Alliance for Peace
https://blackagendareport.com/durham-report-reveals-real-threat-democracy-fbi-weaponized-democrat-party-affiliated-elites
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5151 on: May 23, 2023, 11:34:59 AM »
Nearly seven in ten respondents said they weren’t surprised that the Durham Report, released earlier this month, found that the FBI violated its own standards in starting the Trump-Russia investigation and became a funnel for “disinformation” from Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Likewise, 70% of respondents were concerned about interference by the FBI and intelligence agencies in US presidential elections, and 71% believe the federal government needs “wide-ranging reform” to prevent such meddling.


Latest Harvard Harris Poll
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/HHP_May2023_KeyResults.pdf


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HALF OF VOTERS HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT THE DURHAM
REPORT; THEY ARE SPLIT ON WHETHER IT WAS A FAIR OR BIASED
EXAMINATION
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A SLIGHT MAJORITY OF VOTERS DO NOT BELIEVE THE DURHAM
REPORT CONTAINS NEW FINDINGS, AND THEY ARE SPLIT ABOUT
ITS CONCLUSIONS
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MOST THINK THE DURHAM REPORT FINDS THE FBI PRIORITIZED
TRUMP INVESTIGATION AND DID NOT ACT FAIRLY; A MAJORITY
BELIEVE THE MEDIA IS NOT COVERING THE REPORT FAIRLY
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MOST VOTERS SAY TRUMP’S COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA AND THE
STEELE DOSSIER ACCUSATIONS ARE FALSE STORIES
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VOTERS ARE NOT SURPRISED THAT THE FBI VIOLATED ITS OWN
POLICY TO START THE TRUMP-RUSSIA PROBE
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VOTERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FUTURE INTERFERENCE BY THE FBI
AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES IN ELECTIONS
, AND THINK ADDITIONAL
REFORM IS NEEDED TO PROTECT FROM THIS
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5152 on: June 21, 2023, 06:30:30 PM »
cheap suits are unravelling all over the place. the emperor has no clothes.

"Our Findings Were Sobering": John Durham Gives Fiery Testimony On FBI Abuses, Schools Schiff
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/our-findings-were-sobering-john-durham-gives-fiery-testimony-fbi-abuses-schools-schiff

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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5153 on: June 30, 2023, 11:03:00 PM »
<snip, why don't you go back and analyse all the claims made by Marcy Wheeler (I believe her name was)? She's an unhinged conspiracy theory nutter, and her stuff no longer deserves any attention; N.>
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5154 on: July 23, 2023, 09:39:30 AM »
The latter end Russigate Conspiracy over the 2020 elections Hunter Biden laptop drama ... Former
New York Post Editor Laughs Uncontrollably When Detailing Censorship Of Bombshell Hunter Biden Laptop Story to US House Weaponization Free Speech Censorship CMTE

A truly mind-blowing retelling of her groundbreaking news reporting and the reaction from the deep state to censor it all.

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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5155 on: July 30, 2023, 10:26:13 AM »
Russiagate should actually be called Ukrainegate:

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« Reply #5156 on: August 12, 2023, 11:13:18 AM »
This has now made it to the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/27/we-got-really-lucky-novichok-suspects-identities-revealed-bellingcat

The story now is that one of the two Russian Cathedral tourists that just happened to be walking by the Skripal's flat when they were poisoned also has an identical twin that works for the GRU?

Sure, if that is what you want to believe.


I would like to know more of what was cited in the medical report but still this is more evidence of the use of polonium in this attack by Russia. There is no doubt about what happened despite the Russia propaganda operation which appears to have had it's affect here. I wonder if anyone ever learns from these events anything about how propaganda is used.

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Russian henchman wanted for the murder of Alexander Litvinenko has advanced cancer - linked to the radioactive poison he 'used in the hit on the anti-Putin dissident'

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Andrey Lugovoy, who is wanted for murder by British police, has reportedly developed prostate cancer following the hit in 2006.

Litvinenko, a former Russian federal security services and KGB officer and outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, died in hospital after ingesting Polonium-210, a rare radioactive substance.

Ukrainska Pravda newspaper reported that investigators believe Lugovoy's tumour is related to the radioactive substance and cited findings from his medical reports that were leaked by Ukrainian cyber resistance group Inform-Napalm.

The documents also reveal that he 'refused surgery and radiation therapy' after doctors recommended 'radical treatment' for the disease, the Sun reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399107/Russian-murder-Alexander-Litvinenko-cancer-radioactive-poison-Putin.html

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Re: Russia, Russia, Russia
« Reply #5157 on: August 12, 2023, 12:53:14 PM »
<snip a fascinating trip down memory lane in the UK>

5 whole years hasn't helped you to become better informed or smarter.

Terry's comment was a waste of time too. Oh well, you get that on the big jobs. :)
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5158 on: August 25, 2023, 01:20:44 PM »

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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5159 on: August 25, 2023, 02:24:55 PM »

Is there anyone that doesn't think Putin did this ?

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Kremlin denies role in plane crash

https://apnews.com/article/russia-wagner-prigozhin-jet-crash-1237eb57870538e52938839bcaa6675f?taid=64e886e5255857000184e810&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem

Yeah ... millions don't, possibly billions even. I haven't stopped to count them. Why would it even matter - unless you owned a Polling Research Company? 

in my long experience only silly immature gullible or thoughtless types of people ask these kinds of questions you just asked.

Has anything, or will anything ever change for you?
ref:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg174500.html#msg174500 ?

then scroll up slowly to:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg174492.html#msg174492 ?

And why not, just for the hell of it?  ::)
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2023/08/23/in-a-world-ruled-by-propaganda-a-sane-worldview-will-necessarily-be-a-fringe-worldview/
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5160 on: August 25, 2023, 05:10:02 PM »
And even if Putin had Prigozhin liquidated, what does this have to do with the Russiagate conspiracy theory?
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5161 on: August 26, 2023, 02:52:45 AM »
And even if Putin had Prigozhin liquidated, what does this have to do with the Russiagate conspiracy theory?

I see your point in your inquiry, but the plane crash aligns quite well with the relevance of "Russiagate." The effectiveness of Russiagate stems from years of disinformation, biased Russiaphobia, and Putinphobia propaganda. This allowed for unfounded accusations to flourish without credible investigation, shaping Western perspectives. Vladimir Putin was transformed into a fictional caricature, akin to comic book action movie characters.

Due to the widespread Russophobia and Anti-Putin sentiment propagated since the early 2000s, the Russiagate conspiracy was very easily embraced, despite lacking evidence. The question of Putin's involvement in the plane crash becomes a natural outcome of this pre-programming. The Mass Formation has molded public thought, demonstrated by common responses across media and social platforms.

This collective delusion, fostered for two decades, is intertwined with Russiagate and Putin himself. Caitlin's article I posted yesterday aligns with various threads, showcasing its interconnectedness as to causation. This platform also mirrors the ideals of the West's dominant white Anglo-saxon Golden Billion, exposing the ongoing falsity of their beliefs and myths. The now proven falsehoods surrounding Russiagate unmasks these aspects, yet its denial remains a defense mechanism.

In the context of New Speak, "RussiaGate" implies Putin's guilt without consideration, any claims otherwise leads to immediate rebuke, exclusion or being 'canceled' from society for dissent. Crossing such boundaries may lead to social media bans, or legal threats from "the system." The discussion of Prigozhin's death again underscores these default entrenched assumptions made without evidence. Unconsciously for NevB and others, his comments fit perfectly here. 

No investigation or evidence is necessary because "everyone already knows" who did it! This is why the issue of Prigozhin's death in a plane crash has been posted to this thread.

See? But wait, stop, hey:"Look over there .... all those evil climate deniers! All those lying pieces of shit!  All that other scum!" This diversion away from reality to 'climate deniers' shows a pattern of relying upon extreme unfounded accusations that are even now considered "too polite"!

refs
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3881.msg379605.html#msg379605 
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3881.msg379607.html#msg379607
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3881.msg379610.html#msg379610 
Caitlin Johnstone article
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3471.msg379549.html#msg379549 
Mass Formation Psychology
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3471.msg379394.html#msg379394
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« Reply #5162 on: August 26, 2023, 03:47:29 AM »
And even if Putin had Prigozhin liquidated, what does this have to do with the Russiagate conspiracy theory?

I was looking for a more appropriate thread, this seemed the best fit.

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« Reply #5163 on: August 26, 2023, 07:02:38 AM »
Wagner made a run on the capital.
Probably because they did not receive sufficient support this was abandoned .
In the process Wagner  shot down seven Russian aircraft .
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/06/chefs-special-documenting-equipment.html
The Wagner aircraft seems to be have been downed by Russian air defense.
Footage shown of the wreckage has holes consistent with an anti air missile strike.
Either Russian air defense is that incompetent they shot down another  civilian aircraft
or it was assassination.
Either way Russian = Fuckwit.
yes it matters neven
More evidence that Russia is pushing propaganda in an organised wholesale manor.
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« Reply #5164 on: August 26, 2023, 11:41:18 AM »
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More evidence that Russia is pushing propaganda in an organised wholesale manor.
Those who can't see the evidence for so long won't suddenly see it now. Useless discussion.

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« Reply #5165 on: August 26, 2023, 11:44:23 AM »
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More evidence that Russia is pushing propaganda in an organised wholesale manor.
Those who can't see the evidence for so long won't suddenly see it now. Useless discussion.

Said the Blind Man to the Door Post  ::)
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« Reply #5166 on: August 26, 2023, 10:07:21 PM »
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« Reply #5167 on: August 26, 2023, 11:27:29 PM »
Amazingly, that video becomes on topic at 06:08:

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Then you also have Donald Trump. And Donald Trump, I think... Let's set aside the 'Russian, you know eh, Manchurian candidate' kind of narrative. I don't think that there is anything there.

Do you subscribe to that, KiwiGriff? Mind you, right after that, professor Gerdes explains how attacking Trump makes him stronger. Maybe you should dedicate a couple of minutes of your precious thinking processes to that.

As for the video in general: My views were already formed before that incredibly stealthy and nefarious Russian propaganda started contradicting home-grown propaganda, by experiencing the war in Yugoslavia, reading books on war by Hesse, Huxley, Tolstoy (a Russian!), analysing the lead-up to the second Gulf War, Afghanistan and all the other stuff that was gifted to the world by George Bush and his merry band of neocon profiteers. That stuff helped me figure out lots of things.

Many people were with me back then, until a lot of them got Trump Derangement Syndrome, a side effect of the lesser evil-virus. Russiagate effectively made them conspiracy theorists, and bad ones at that, given their lack of experience.

The video goes on to show Mike Pence and John McCain, who are both psychopaths. I don't need Russian propaganda to tell me that. They are psychopaths. Period. Deny it, and you're helping Russian propagandists. Deny that Russiagate is an erroneous conspiracy theory, and you're helping Russian propagandists. Say that Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden are the lesser evil, and you're helping Russian propagandists.
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« Reply #5168 on: August 27, 2023, 12:03:13 AM »
My computer  was hacked circa 2014.
I am almost  certain who by. My face book and emails accounts started receiving Russian slanted links and posts. Neither account was widely used or linked together and both were not publicly shared.

Did Russia operate an organised  social media properganda effort leading up to the 2016 election?
Undoubtedly.  It has been documented in more than one study on information interchange  patterns
I watched in real time as known to me  identifiable  Russian propaganda talking points spread though social media.
 Are Russia the only ones doing it?
Probably not.
They seem to be the most organised and effective actor in the dis information war. 
 
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« Reply #5169 on: August 27, 2023, 12:08:21 AM »
(...) My views were already formed before that incredibly stealthy and nefarious Russian propaganda started contradicting home-grown propaganda, (...)
You seem to be a hard case of what I call the tertium-non-datur derangement syndrome... What contradicts a lie is not necessarily true. It could be a lie as well, and even more nefarious.

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« Reply #5170 on: August 27, 2023, 12:19:54 AM »
My computer  was hacked circa 2014.
I am almost  certain who by. My face book and emails accounts started receiving Russian slanted links and posts. Neither account was widely used or linked together and both were not publicly shared.

Did Russia operate an organised  social media properganda effort leading up to the 2016 election?
Undoubtedly.  It has been documented in more than one study on information interchange  patterns
I watched in real time as known to me  identifiable  Russian propaganda talking points spread though social media.
 Are Russia the only ones doing it?
Probably not.
They seem to be the most organised and effective actor in the dis information war. 
 

Yes, Russia (not even isolated Russian hackers but Russia as a nation) is the responsible of each and every meaningful hacking event in Western Countries since the 1990’s, including Kiwi Griff’s Facebook and email.

This is the mission of Russia. To hack and to plant Russian disinformation and propaganda into each and every Western citizen’s computer.

As the notable Robert A. Heinlein would put it: “It’s not enough to be able to lie with a straight face; anybody with enough gall to raise on a busted flush can do that. The first way to lie artistically is to tell the truth — but not all of it. The second way involves telling the truth, too, but is harder: Tell the exact truth and maybe all of it…but tell it so unconvincingly that your listener is sure you are lying.”

I don’t know if it has anything to do with this, but looks like a really cool quote.

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« Reply #5171 on: August 27, 2023, 01:06:40 AM »
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Yes, Russia (not even isolated Russian hackers but Russia as a nation) is the responsible of each and every meaningful hacking event in Western Countries since the 1990’s, including Kiwi Griff’s Facebook and email.

You go big boy keep killing your illogical straw men.
FWIW I even said others are doing it.
I made no mention of a time frame wider than the lead up to the 2016 USA presidential election.
 
One could suggest that cognitive dissonance might be responsible for creating such an illogical response to a simple comment.
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« Reply #5172 on: August 27, 2023, 09:45:45 AM »
Again outing the majority of commenters here who are entirely overlooking the massive amounts of western political propaganda, disinformation, and distortions they’re inundated with day in and day out ... for decades now.  The "mushroom cloud" WMD in Iraq anyone?

Of course if you are a full on Pro-US Empire Statist (no matter what crimes they commit in your name) then hey, this is instead great news. Being a liberal fascist - embracing all the trappings of democracy and the rule of Law - without any of its reality is valid choice.

Yesterday CNN published another Russiagate like nonsense story:
Newly declassified US intel claims Russia is laundering propaganda through unwitting Westerners

    Russian intelligence is operating a systematic program to launder pro-Kremlin propaganda through private relationships between Russian operatives and unwitting US and western targets, according to newly declassified US intelligence.

US intelligence agencies believe that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is attempting to ....
The official declined to offer specifics to back up the intelligence community’s assertions that the FSB is funding this kind of operation ....

( There is zero evidence to support their claims! Those accused deny it outright! )
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/25/politics/us-intel-russia-propaganda/index.html




Caitlin Johnstone takes it apart:
Another Day, Another CIA Press Release Disguised As News

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She concludes:

    One of the craziest things happening in our world today is how westerners are being trained to overlook the massive amounts of western propaganda they’re inundated with day in and day out and focus instead on “Russian propaganda”, which has no meaningful existence in the west.

In 2017 before RT was shut down in the UK, it accounted for 0.04 percent of the UK’s total TV audience. A New York University study published earlier this year found that the supposed Russian Twitter influence campaign ahead of the 2016 election which dominated headlines for years had had “no measurable impact in changing minds or influencing voter behavior”.

An earlier study found that suspected Russian accounts showing up in Facebook’s news feed during that time amounted to “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content.”

A study by Adelaide University found that despite headline after headline warning us about a massive wave of Russian bots manipulating online discourse after the invasion of Ukraine began last year, the overwhelming majority of fake accounts they examined (more than 90 percent) were pro-Ukraine accounts.

    Contrast this microscopic smattering of influence (wah huh?) with the fact that westerners are continually getting their news reporting from western propaganda outlets which openly publish CIA press releases disguised as news on a regular basis.

These people are absolutely telling us the truth when they say we’re under constant bombardment by propaganda and influence operations — they’re just lying about who’s really doing it to us.
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/another-day-another-cia-press-release

CNN was not the only outlet that plugged the stupid CIA press release. The New York Times had it too and its report is a bit more revealing:
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Russia Pushes Long-Term Influence Operations Aimed at the U.S. and Europe
Reading through the stupid disinformation stuff one stumbles over this sentence:.............

That is quite revealing. The information contained in the CIA release was 'designed' or construed to create a certain propaganda narrative. It wasn't just information that could be found or observed by a reporter but a curated collection of items put together to create a certain effect.

Think about that for a minute and you will recognize that most of the 'news' one reads is made like this. [...]

The some bits of facts or rumors are collected, sorted, filtered and then written up until the constructed narrative is thought to be likely to create the desired effect. This is then the declassified product and fed to the media which are willing to distribute such stuff.

The current very long Spiegel story about the U.S. attack on the Nord Stream pipelines is a nice example for such a 'product':

Investigating the Nord Stream Attack - All the Evidence Points To Kyiv (archived)

German politicians are too coward to call out the U.S. for the attack and to discuss the necessary consequences. They need a different narrative.

That the Spiegel needed 19 named authors to put it out says something about the complexity of such a process. It is still disinformation but on a large scale.
see in full w links https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/08/information-designed-to-show-.html
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« Reply #5173 on: September 07, 2023, 01:23:51 PM »
This isn't new to anyone that wanted to know, hopefully though we will soon get to see this memo. To all those that claim the Russia investigations were some sort of Democrat abuse of the justice system, you are just wrong. 

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Those of us who read the Mueller Report have known this for years, but finally a federal district court and court of appeals has confirmed that Barr lied to the American people to whitewash Mueller’s findings, and DOJ must release an unredacted copy of Barr’s memo to the public.
Here’s a video summary of what Mueller actually found:

Video Link in the tweet

Dating back to at least 2006, Trump did tens of millions of dollars of business with Russian individuals whose profiles raised the possibility of money laundering. More than 1/5 of all condos he sold over his career were purchased in all-cash transactions by shell companies.
In 2013, Trump’s long running pursuit of Russian business intensified. He staged the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow that year and opened discussions on the construction of a Trump Tower in Moscow, from which he hoped to earn “hundreds of millions of dollars.”
Trump continued to pursue the deal for a year after he declared his candidacy. “By early November 2015, Trump and a Russia-based developer signed a Letter of Intent laying out the main terms of a licensing deal.” Trump’s representatives directly lobbied aides to Putin in Jan 2016
In early 2016, Putin ordered an influence operation to “harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process.”
Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos learned about the Russian active measures campaign as early as April 2016. In May, he talked with Alexander Downer (Australian high commissioner to the UK) about Russia’s plot to intervene in the election to hurt Clinton and help Trump.
Downer described the conversation in a report to his government. By long-standing agreement, Australia shares intelligence with the U.S. government. It was Papadopoulos’s disclosure to Downer that set in motion the FBI investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.
In June 2016, the Trump campaign received a request for a meeting from a Russian lawyer offering dirt on Clinton. Donald Trump Jr. and other senior Trump advisers accepted the meeting. “If it’s what you say I love it, especially later in the summer,” Junior infamously responded.
The Trump team didn’t get the dirt they wanted. But accepting the meeting was a confirmation to Russia of the Trump campaign’s willingness to accept their help. Shortly after, Trump delivered his “Russia, if you’re listening” line at his last press conference of the campaign.
WikiLeaks, which Trump said he “loved” throughout the campaign, released 2 big caches of hacked Democratic emails in July and October of 2016. WikiLeaks actively sought and played a key role in the Russian intelligence campaign and very likely knew it was assisting Russia/Putin.
Through Roger Stone, the Trump campaign team tried to communicate with WikiLeaks. They believed Stone had inside info which suggested more releases. Stone repeatedly predicted that they would publish an “October surprise” that would harm the Clinton campaign.
While it welcomed Russian help, the Trump campaign simultaneously denied and covered up Russian involvement; publicly undermining the attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and disregarding whether it and WikiLeaks were furthering an election interference effort

n March 2016, the Trump campaign accepted the unpaid services of Paul Manafort, who is beholden to deeply shady Russian business and figures. Manafort sought multiple times to share internal campaign information with a man identified as a Russian intelligence officer.
Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals affiliated with Russian intelligence services represented a grave counterintelligence threat. Through 2016, Russia launched a massive Facebook disinformation program aligning with Trump’s campaign.
At pivotal moments in the 2016 campaign, Trump publicly took positions that broke with past Republican policy and served no domestic political purpose but supported Putin’s foreign-policy goals: denigrating NATO support for Estonia, attacking U.S. allies, and endorsing ‘Brexit.’
Throughout the 2016 election and after, Trump’s team got themselves into legal and political trouble by lying to the public, Congress, and even the FBI about their Russian connections. Trump fired Comey to impede the investigation, which led to the appointment of Robert Mueller.
I’ve done countless threads on all the confirmation we’ve observed that Donald Trump is compromised by Putin and Russia. Here’s one of them:

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Why don’t I need the Mueller Report to know Trump is a Russian Asset? Because:
—He tried to remove (and then refused to enforce) sanctions on Russia
—He softened the GOP platform on Russia
—He sided with Putin over our intel agencies
—He capitulated to NK at Putin’s request

The reason I put Trump aiding and abetting an attack on the U.S. at the top of this list is because he is first and foremost a traitor to the United States of America and the last person ON EARTH who should have been in the WH or near classified documents

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« Reply #5174 on: September 07, 2023, 02:10:28 PM »
Lies, Lunacy and Paranoia is a Potent Mix
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« Reply #5175 on: September 07, 2023, 03:04:26 PM »
This isn't new to anyone that wanted to know, hopefully though we will soon get to see this memo. To all those that claim the Russia investigations were some sort of Democrat abuse of the justice system, you are just wrong. 

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(...) Through 2016, Russia launched a massive Facebook disinformation program aligning with Trump’s campaign.
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Seen that, having started using Facebook in 2016 to observe the presidential campaign. (I have an ex Black Panther friend over there.) Half of my selected "American" FB "friends" mysteriously disappeared or went inactive later. -- There is some pausible deniability, as others (e.g. the Macedonian lads) also used Facebook to earn income by multiplying bullsh#.

The reason why Trump's treason didn't go even deeper is that the Russians found his henchmen (e.g. Giuliani) too dangerously stupid to seriously work with.
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« Reply #5176 on: September 08, 2023, 12:15:22 AM »
Lies, Lunacy and Paranoia is a Potent Mix

And what do I mean by that? Well, if it was all true it would make a great story and Hollywood blockbuster of a Thriller. It's not true. Same as most of the stuff you have been told is not true. There were no WMD in Iraq and there was no election collusion between Trump and Russia. It's all lies. The same as Hillary Clinton's dossier she paid ex-intel agent Christopher Steele to create out of thin air was ..... yes, all lies.

Now blend all that with an unhealthy dose of individual lunacy and paranoia ..... and well it is a potent mix that can literally last for decades of a person's life.

Look around. 
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« Reply #5177 on: November 29, 2023, 07:54:21 PM »
 Trump now claims Russia interfered in the 2016 election via RT America

"...Kremlin directed campaign to undermine faith in the US government and fuel political protest.."





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« Reply #5178 on: November 29, 2023, 11:38:43 PM »
Trump now claims Russia interfered in the 2016 election via RT America

So now, the big question is: Why has Putin ordered Trump to say this?
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« Reply #5179 on: December 11, 2023, 12:17:06 AM »
This shit just never stops.

https://www.racket.news/p/cti-files-4-the-hamilton-68-connection

a followup report from this exposure last week
https://public.substack.com/p/ctil-files-1-us-and-uk-military-contractors

CTIL Files #1: US And UK Military Contractors Created Sweeping Plan For Global Censorship In 2018, New Documents Show
Whistleblower makes trove of new documents available to Public and Racket, showing the birth of the Censorship Industrial Complex in reaction to Brexit and Trump election in 2016
Michael Shellenberger
, Alex Gutentag
, and Matt Taibbi

It's just sickening. Toxic.
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« Reply #5180 on: December 15, 2023, 03:40:00 PM »
The mystery of the missing binder: How a collection of raw Russian intelligence disappeared under Trump

CNN, December 15

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/

Washington — A binder containing highly classified information related to Russian election interference went missing at the end of Donald Trump’s presidency, raising alarms among intelligence officials that some of the most closely guarded national security secrets from the US and its allies could be exposed, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

Its disappearance, which has not been previously reported, was so concerning that intelligence officials briefed Senate Intelligence Committee leaders last year about the missing materials and the government’s efforts to retrieve them, the sources said.

In the two-plus years since Trump left office, the missing intelligence does not appear to have been found.

The binder contained raw intelligence the US and its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents, including sources and methods that informed the US government’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election, sources tell CNN.

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« Reply #5181 on: December 16, 2023, 01:03:08 AM »
The mystery of the missing binder: How a collection of raw Russian intelligence disappeared under Trump

CNN, December 15

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/

Washington — A binder containing highly classified information related to Russian election interference went missing at the end of Donald Trump’s presidency, raising alarms among intelligence officials that some of the most closely guarded national security secrets from the US and its allies could be exposed, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

Its disappearance, which has not been previously reported, was so concerning that intelligence officials briefed Senate Intelligence Committee leaders last year about the missing materials and the government’s efforts to retrieve them, the sources said.

In the two-plus years since Trump left office, the missing intelligence does not appear to have been found.

The binder contained raw intelligence the US and its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents, including sources and methods that informed the US government’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election, sources tell CNN.

I think this is nothing but fake news. It lacks evidence and credibility. It's probably just more of the standard US Empire of Lies PsyOps manipulation.

Why? Because there was NO "US government’s assessment" using "Raw intelligence" [ it never happened it was spin/pr from the Obama WH ]

And because there was NO "Raw intelligence" to begin with to do an "assessment" primarily because there was no Russian election interference to start with. 

The entire Russiagate "story" was 100% made up Fraud originally instigated by Hillary Clinton before the election even happened. And so now the Lies and the Beat Ups will never stop.

The timing is possibly a handy op to try and smoother whatever news might filter through about Putin's end of year 4 hour plus of media questioning yesterday.

But who cares why? I do not. The Empire of Lies will never stop Lying now.

There is no point in attempting to understand it or the motivations behind it's public announcements via the utterly corrupt bought and sold indoctrinated Western Media.

In particular CNN who probably have their own desk and studio at Langley.

Per the American way, the accusation is repeated again and again, and then the establishment media serve a function of parroting that claim uncritically by conveying it as unbiased “concerns” without touching upon the true motive.

It turns public opinion against the target and secures the desired foreign policy outcomes.
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« Reply #5182 on: December 16, 2023, 01:44:39 AM »
I wonder if Neven is mentioned in the mystery missing binder :-)
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« Reply #5183 on: December 16, 2023, 10:29:42 PM »
Quire possibly! ;D :)

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« Reply #5184 on: December 16, 2023, 11:04:55 PM »
Senate report on RU interference in US elections

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3254239-Russia-Hacking-report.html


Alex Cannon and the Missing Russian Binder
December 15, 2023

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Shortly after getting this response, Cannon oversaw the attempt to return Trump’s documents, with the now-indicted Walt Nauta and the now-cooperating Molly Michael juggling boxes back and forth from the storage room so Trump could hand-curate what would be returned.

After it became public that a bunch of those documents were classified, Kash invented the story that Trump had declassified everything, focusing on the Russian documents, though not exclusively.

Then, in the weeks after Trump returned a folder of documents on June 3, 2022, Kash Patel and John Solomon made a panicked effort to find out what was at NARA. Evan Corcoran, only recently brought in to serve as fall guy for the document handover, was closely involved in that process.

During that same period, Trump made several unexpected trips back to Mar-a-Lago.

And the government and Stan Woodward apparently agree that the government still doesn’t know where all the boxes hidden from Evan Corcoran’s search on June 2 ended up.

All of Trump’s stolen classified documents aren’t accounted for. And the Russian binder may be only part of what’s missing.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/12/15/alex-cannon-and-the-missing-russian-binder/



Donald Trump’s Dumbass Russia Binder
March 29, 2023

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/03/29/donald-trumps-dumbass-russia-binder/
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« Reply #5185 on: December 16, 2023, 11:26:30 PM »
I wonder if Neven is mentioned in the mystery missing binder :-)

Anything you want can be in there.
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« Reply #5186 on: December 18, 2023, 09:31:49 PM »
<Snip, this is the Russiagate conspiracy theory-thread, not the Israel-Hamas thread; N.>
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« Reply #5187 on: December 27, 2023, 11:47:50 AM »
BREAKING NEWS

Russia admits they interfered and will interfere again in US elections, via Top Secret Project: “Grandpa on a Leash”.

WATCH

https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1739689464497418266?s=20


They think you believe. We believe you think  (excellent)
https://www.swentr.site/news/589709-rt-campaign-challenges-western-media/



Nevertheless, our journalists have kept working for our audiences.
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« Reply #5188 on: January 18, 2024, 08:52:46 AM »
It's wealth, constantly seeking more wealth, to better seek still more wealth. Building wealth off of destruction. That's what's consuming the world. And is driving humans crazy at the same time.

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« Reply #5189 on: February 05, 2024, 04:26:30 AM »
Russia amplifies calls for civil war in the U.S.

One Russian Twitter account even suggested sending "informational weapons" to Texas.

<snip, same old BS, Michelle and Obama's movie does more to fan the flames than anything Russia can do. And US neocons are using Ukraine to subjugate Russia, killing hundreds of thousands of people. Please, keep a sense of proportion; N.>
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« Reply #5190 on: February 19, 2024, 12:06:22 AM »
Cheney warns of Republican Party ‘Putin-wing’ after Navalny death

CNN - GOP former Rep. Liz Cheney on Sunday warned of a Republican Party “Putin-wing” after former President Donald Trump responded to the death of outspoken Kremlin critic Alexey Navalny without actually mentioning him or Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“We have to take seriously the extent to which you’ve now got a Putin-wing of the Republican Party. I believe the issue this election cycle is making sure that the Putin-wing of the Republican Party does not take over the West Wing of the White House,” Cheney told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/18/politics/liz-cheney-navalny-putin-gop-cnntv/index.html

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A history: Editorial [Philadelphia Inquirer]: Donald Trump’s Russia ties remain a national security risk

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/inq2/trump-threat-russia-putin-ukraine-national-security-20240218.html

Many gasped recently when Donald Trump said he’d encourage Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” with NATO allies who don’t pay their share of the transatlantic alliance’s defense spending. It was a brazen but hardly surprising turn from someone who has shown a long and loyal affection for Russian President Vladimir Putin, a wanted war criminal.

Trump has called Putin — a former KGB agent who jails and murders critics — smart, savvy, and his friend. Trump sided with Putin after a U.S. intelligence community assessment found Russia meddled in the 2016 election. More troubling, in 2017 Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian ambassador.

These were not innocent missteps. Rather, they are part of Trump’s decades-long support for Russia. As he mounts another presidential bid, voters must understand that Trump remains a national security risk.

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« Reply #5191 on: February 19, 2024, 02:10:19 AM »
Cheney warns of Republican Party ‘Putin-wing’ after Navalny death


A history: Editorial [Philadelphia Inquirer]: Donald Trump’s Russia ties remain a national security risk



Too funny for words!  Thanks for the laughs. If it wasn't so sad and demented that is.
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« Reply #5192 on: February 22, 2024, 05:37:55 PM »
Russian influence behind MAGA Republican attacks on Hunter Biden:



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« Reply #5193 on: February 22, 2024, 09:07:19 PM »
Wow, great news, now you can vote Biden with a tranquil conscience, comfortably numb.

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« Reply #5194 on: February 22, 2024, 11:40:16 PM »
Russian influence behind MAGA Republican attacks on Hunter Biden:


Stupid is as stupid does aka Doubling down on dumbness .... please form a line children and come forward to collect your Participation Ribbon.
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« Reply #5195 on: February 23, 2024, 04:36:24 AM »
I put this in Geopolitics first, then I thought, no, it fits better here imo.

ASI Forum "Strong ideas for the New Time"

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ASI is the Agency for Strategic Initiatives and one of its innovative ideas was to promote citizen involvement in the provision of strong ideas for the new time. Here’s how the Kremlin describes it:

   
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Forum "Strong Ideas for a New Time" is held on behalf of the President since 2020 and accumulates socially significant initiatives and projects of caring citizens from all over the country. Every inhabitant of Russia can share their idea or project on a special platform, get the necessary expertise and support in implementation. Herein forum held by ASI and the Roscongress Foundation with the support of VEB.RF, 30,731 ideas were received in seven areas.

    At the end of the meeting, the head of state got acquainted with the exhibition of the participants of the competition growing Russian brands "Know Ours", which is designed to provide support promising domestic producers in all regions Country. Vladimir Putin toured the Creative and Food themed zones Commodities", "Consumer Goods", "High Technology", "Information Technology". About 80 exhibitors from 27 regions are represented at the exhibition Country. In total, more than 12 thousand applications were submitted for the competition.



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    VEB.RF is a national development institution that promotes the implementation of state socio-economic policy, increasing the competitiveness of the national economy and its modernization.

    We carry out our mission through financing of investment projects of national significance. The implementation of such projects contributes to the diversification and improving the efficiency of the Russian economy. Modernization of the economy, in turn It gives an impetus to serious social transformations in the country. 

https://karlof1.substack.com/p/asi-forum-strong-ideas-for-the-new

Russia isn't some totalitarian police state - far from it. This ASI Forum coming close to the ideas of Extinction Rebellion's  Citizen Assembly to discuss and propose solutions to the Govt on contentious or complex issues. With the People's direct input.

And ASI Forum gives Russian the opportunity to become directly involved in their governance and economic development. No wonder the West doesn't want anyone to learn about Russia and we see desperate slanders and libels aimed at Putin on a daily basis by several trolls who have landed here years ago and attempted to camouflage their real nature and principles.

The lead idea suggested at the ASI Forum was supported by Putin and the government has given it further study to the point where RT has published an article about it:

"Russia to welcome foreigners who share ‘traditional values’: What we know so far: The idea was floated at a Moscow forum by an Italian student who calls it a process of “impatriation,” and is supported by President Putin."

The RT article does a better job of presenting the proposal than how it was done at the Forum as it sticks to the issues and avoids the chit-chat between Putin and Ms. Cecchini. Immigration is a socio-political issue within Russia that hasn't evaded Ms. Cecchini's gaze, and IMO she clearly wants to spark policy accommodation that will find favor with Russians.

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Russia to welcome foreigners who share ‘traditional values’: What we know so far
The idea was floated at a Moscow forum by an Italian student who calls it a process of “impatriation,” and is supported by President Putin 
Russian President Vladimir Putin has supported a proposal to simplify the process of moving to Russia for immigrants who share the traditional values that are nurtured and protected in the country.
RT.com https://www.swentr.site/russia/592953-putin-traditional-values-foreigners/

"Russia protects family values and children – Tara Reade: The West is “weaponizing” LGBT propaganda to distract voters from its crumbling economic infrastructure, the former US Senate aide told RT."

    Russia places more importance on protecting children and family values than waging a culture war, former US Senate aide Tara Reade told RT on Thursday, explaining that many in the West are poorly informed about what life is really like in the country.

    The West has “weaponized culture wars…against some of the more conservatives in the United States,” Reade, now a commentator with RT, told her colleague. Russia, “watching that from the outside,” has rightly prioritized the “values of [its] vast population” over the interests of a tiny fraction of people – a stance that is often misunderstood, she said.

    It is not illegal to be gay in Russia, despite oft-repeated rumors in the West, Reade explained, clarifying that Russia’s policy against “LGBT propaganda” directed at minors is just that – an effort to shield children from the promotion of alternative sexual orientations and other potentially unwholesome influences, not a blanket prohibition on non-traditional sexual practices.

    “In Russia there is a protection of family and a protection of children,” she stressed, attributing this to the strong religious values of the population.
https://www.swentr.site/news/592979-tara-reade-russia-family-values/
 

As the West goes further down the drain, many would like to vote with their feet but don't know where to go. In Russia's case, it's been demonized so hard by the West; but as Tucker Carlson has shown, Russia isn't at all as it's being portrayed. It appears Russia's government wants to modify its procedures to make such a move easier.


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There are several aspects of the presentation I'd like to highlight:

a. Russia has made a major effort to include its citizens in designing the society and the economy of their future. People actually get _asked_ to provide their ideas, and the state is interested in hearing, vetting, prioritizing and funding the implementation of those ideas. The _state_ wants to do it. I don't remember my Nation (U.S.) ever actively soliciting my ideas for how to improve our economy and our society. Instead I get a menu of bad choices someone else has made, and I have to choose from that bad menu. I am excluded from policy-making.

b. This ASI forum (the citizen-input forum) seems to be a valued source of ideas that feed into Russian national industrial and social policy. Key point: Russia actually _has_ an industrial policy at the Federal level. The U.S. doesn't. You read right: the U.S. doesn't have a national public industrial policy.


c. This forum is important enough for the President to attend, to speak at, and to actively engage in dialog with the people that originated and promoted their idea/suggestion (e.g. the individual citizen). Can anyone think of a time when that happened here in the U.S.? I can't think of one.


This ASI forum presentation is worth reading. It's exciting, it's engaging, and it's competent. This is what "soft power" is supposed to look like and act like.

The Russian President is actively asking all of Russia's citizens to identify and champion the products the nation will use as stepping stones toward its future. He's asking the people to be creators.

Our President tells us to shop.... to be consumers.

That's a pretty stark contrast.
 

So when is too much wealth too much?

When does wealth have too much of a say over Public Policy and Regulations and Social Welfare systems like Taxation and Military spending?
 
It's wealth, constantly seeking more wealth, to better seek still more wealth. Building wealth off of destruction. That's what's consuming the world. And is driving humans crazy at the same time.

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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5196 on: February 23, 2024, 12:50:09 PM »
Russian influence behind MAGA Republican attacks on Hunter Biden:


Stupid is as stupid does aka Doubling down on dumbness .... please form a line children and come forward to collect your Participation Ribbon.

This is what a moderated comment looks like? 


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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5197 on: February 23, 2024, 10:49:03 PM »
This is what a moderated comment looks like?

Do you really not see how incredibly dumb that video is? I watched Pakman a couple of years ago when I was interested in American politics, but TDS got him, and it looks like he hasn't improved. In fact, I can't remember him promoting something silly as weight loss treatments. This guy is just as bad as the right-wing misinformers, all of them feeding off of each other. The whole left-right fake dichotomy is a huge industry.
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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5198 on: February 24, 2024, 06:58:17 AM »
"Unfortunately, this technological transformation has made it easier than before to spread what we call hostile political rumors in a way that goes “farther, faster, deeper, and more broadly than truth”. Hostile political rumors portray politicians and political groups negatively and possess low evidential value. They encapsulate conspiracy theories, “fake news,” discussions of political scandals, and negative campaigns. Although these different types of news vary in substance and form, they all seek to incite hostility toward a specific target and are difficult to verify or disprove. Hostile political rumors can shape political outcomes in considerable ways, from sparking significant small-scale incidents—such as protests and cyberbullying of political opponents to influencing large-scale political outcomes"

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/need-for-chaos-and-motivations-to-share-hostile-political-rumors/7E50529B41998816383F5790B6E0545A

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Re: The Russiagate conspiracy theory
« Reply #5199 on: February 24, 2024, 08:55:01 AM »
"Unfortunately, this technological transformation has made it easier than before to spread what we call hostile political rumors in a way that goes “farther, faster, deeper, and more broadly than truth”. Hostile political rumors portray politicians and political groups negatively and possess low evidential value. They encapsulate conspiracy theories, “fake news,” discussions of political scandals, and negative campaigns. Although these different types of news vary in substance and form, they all seek to incite hostility toward a specific target and are difficult to verify or disprove. Hostile political rumors can shape political outcomes in considerable ways, from sparking significant small-scale incidents—such as protests and cyberbullying of political opponents to influencing large-scale political outcomes"

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/need-for-chaos-and-motivations-to-share-hostile-political-rumors/7E50529B41998816383F5790B6E0545A

That's Russiagate in a nutshell, and one could argue the same goes for the Hunter Biden laptop story as well, but there are two important differences:

1. There was a lot more truth to the Hunter Biden laptop story (ie the stuff on the laptop was really his, for instance, his corrupt connections to Burisma), whereas Russiagate was and still is mostly an overhyped conspiracy theory.
2. The laptop story was massively suppressed by both mainstream and social media to get Hunter's corrupt dad elected, which is another form of political meddling.
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