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« Reply #250 on: June 16, 2018, 10:12:44 PM »
Elon Musk is making billions in stock awards, and people still find a way to congratulate him for bucking the trend on CEO pay. The best part is, he laid off 10% of his company in order to increase valuation of Tesla, something which he gets handsomely paid for between share prices and stock grants.

Imagine being laid off so your boss can make literally billions of dollars, then people go on twitter to congratulate how little he pays himself.   And then when he gets called out on it, he justifies his immense wealth accumulation for his space adventures which are heavily subsidized by the government which you pay taxes to.




Imagine living in a world were a man can claim to be humble while attempting to become one of the richest men in the world. Oh, it's reality.
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« Reply #251 on: June 16, 2018, 10:26:45 PM »
Here’s a recent article summarizing The Boring Company:  https://www.nasdaq.com/article/everything-you-need-to-know-about-elon-musks-not-so-boring-company-cm979283

At the press conference, Musk said they will start digging as soon as they get the OK, which should be in three to four months, and be finished possibly as soon as two years.  (Also that the majority of businesses working on the project are woman, minority, or veteran owned.  Some union, some not.)


Today’s tunnel boring machines dig at the rate of about 0.003 miles per hour.  Musk thinks TBC can speed that up by a factor of 10, to 0.03 miles per hour. (See details in article.)

There are 17,531 hours in two years.  Although Musk plans to dig continuously, removing dirt and placing support arches on the fly, let’s say the machine only ends up digging the equivalent of one day a week.  That’s 2,504 hours.  2,504 hours times 0.03 miles per hour is 75 miles.  The Chicago Loop route is 18 miles.  And Musk said they will begin digging from both ends.  Two years may be “aspirational,” but the math works.
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« Reply #252 on: June 18, 2018, 07:10:35 PM »
Elon Musk’s Boring Company could be worth $16B after Chicago-O’Hare tunnel
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-company-16-billion-chicago-ohare-tunnel/
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« Reply #253 on: June 26, 2018, 08:48:25 PM »
Cool depiction of existing tunnels under London.

Someone drew the Tube map on an aerial photo of London and it's totally mesmerising
https://mashable.com/2018/06/26/aerial-photo-london-tube/
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« Reply #254 on: July 06, 2018, 01:28:28 AM »
“A source familiar with the matter says that this new system is still in Hawthorne, California, where The Boring Company is based, but it will be moved to Chicago.”

So... a rail, and a concrete foundation?

Elon Musk’s Boring Company unveils first image of gantry system for Chicago’s Loop
https://electrek.co/2018/07/05/elon-musk-boring-company-first-image-gantry-system-chicago-loop/

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« Reply #255 on: July 13, 2018, 08:50:29 PM »
The Boring Company:  “Bricks!”
https://mobile.twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1017769225555972096
Image below; video clip at the link.

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Elon Musk’s Boring Company unveils bricks being produced from dirt dug in its tunnels
https://electrek.co/2018/07/13/elon-musk-boring-company-bricks-dirt-tunnels/
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« Reply #256 on: July 26, 2018, 01:37:48 AM »
The Boring Co. secures land in major LA corridor for upcoming Loop station
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The Boring Company has secured a parcel of land in West Los Angeles for a future Loop station along its first LA-route. As could be seen in recent sale records and filings with the office of the Secretary of State of the State of California, Elon Musk’s tunneling startup under the entity name “TBC – The Boring Company” secured a commercial-zoned property located at 2352-2356 S Sepulveda Boulevard in April of this year. 

The property lies along the path of the Boring Company’s proposed 6.5-mile long proof-of-concept tunnel that would run from northeast Westchester to Brentwood, one of the most traffic-congested sections in the West Los Angeles area. The tunnel system, a section of which seems to be nearing completion based on recent social media teasers from The Boring Company, would run under Sepulveda Blvd. and right across Culver City. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/the-boring-company-west-la-loop-station-location/
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« Reply #257 on: August 14, 2018, 02:21:34 PM »
The Boring Company on Twitter: "We are hosting student tours of the Hawthorne tunnel site for schools in LA County! Each tour can accommodate up to 30 students. Interested faculty (or students with a faculty sponsor!) can reach out to studenttours@boringcompany.com"
https://mobile.twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1029267748377907200
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« Reply #258 on: August 16, 2018, 01:38:41 PM »
Los Angeles, California

BREAKING: @elonmusk’s @boringcompany will build a 3.6 mile tunnel from East Hollywood to Dodger Stadium that can carry 1,500 fans to the game in four minutes versus the more than an hour those fans spend traveling by car to the game today. pic.twitter.com/v9joUxbsrE
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1029915224063848448

The Boring Company is excited to announce Dugout Loop – a high-speed, zero-emissions, underground public transportation system, allowing fans to get from the Red Line to Dodger Stadium in under 4 minutes!

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Who is paying for this?
The Boring Company. This project will be 100% privately funded and will require zero taxpayer dollars.

Is this for cars or people?
People. We are prioritizing pedestrians and cyclists.

How long will the Dugout Loop trip take?
Just under 4 minutes

How much will a Dugout Loop trip cost?
The fares are not finalized but will cost around $1.

How do I buy a ticket?
Initially, riders will be able to reserve times and purchase Dugout Loop tickets in advance similar to booking seats at a movie theater via a mobile app, over the phone, or in person (e.g. 5:45pm PT Dugout Loop ticket).

How long will construction last?
Construction of the tunnel and the two loop lifts is expected to last up to 14 months (likely much less). Construction of the ventilation shafts is expected to take approximately 6 weeks and will be constructed concurrently with development of the tunnel. ...
https://www.boringcompany.com/dugout

Mayor Eric Garcetti (@MayorOfLA)
8/15/18, 10:18 PM
Always exciting to see innovative ideas like the proposed Dugout Loop to @Dodgers Stadium that could help ease congestion on our roads and make our most iconic destinations more accessible to everyone.
https://twitter.com/mayorofla/status/1029915350500962304
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« Reply #259 on: August 16, 2018, 07:24:49 PM »
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Is it being claimed that if 1,500 people are prepared to board at say 4:00 PM, they'll then disembark at the ballpark by 4:04?
I believe that the Chinese, Japanese and possibly some European centers have HSR systems in place where this is rather routine - but I don't think this is what Elon is proposing. Isn't his proposal rather that a small group of people can be loaded into a "pod", which will then whisk them to their destination in 4 minutes?
If each pod carried an average of 25 people it would require in excess of 60 pods to simultaneously load, accelerate, decelerate and disembark - all within the same 4 minute time frame.
Not saying it can't be done, rather that it sounds like more of a job for HSR. :)
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« Reply #260 on: August 16, 2018, 07:48:08 PM »
Terry,
This is still using the “skate” design, 8 to 16 people each.  It’s by reservation only, (phone, internet, or in person), so the flexibility comes with the scheduling — because the trip takes only 4 minutes, skates will leave pretty much continuously.  There’s only one-way traffic, and one tunnel (at least for now!), so either:  100 cars all follow each other to the stadium (14 people x 100 pods = 1,400), where they park, then all gradually start returning, as reserved, after mid-game....  Or there could be, say, 10 minutes of pods delivering passengers, then 5 to 10 minutes of empty pods returning.  They are still figuring that out.  (I’m betting 100 autonomous pod parking would take up less space than we think — could be on several [underground] levels, and, unlike parking garages, no wasted space needed between cars or as travel lanes.)

Elon Musk's Boring Company Is Planning a Tunnel to Dodger Stadium | WIRED
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This project is just a single tunnel, meaning the service can only run one way at a time. It’ll stage a number of skates at one end and sell tickets with fixed departure times. When fans turn up (hopefully riding the Metro, biking, or walking), they’ll pile into the 8- to 16-passenger pods, which will whisk them through the tunnel. The skates will then be parked at the other end. After the game or concert, they run the other way.

Bookings for seats will be limited to 1,400 people per event at first, about 2.5 percent of stadium capacity. (The company’s still figuring out if it’ll need about 100 skates, or if it can work in batches of 12 to 15, sending the empty pods back to fetch more people.)
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-los-angeles-dodger-stadium/
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« Reply #261 on: August 16, 2018, 10:06:08 PM »
The 'parking area' could be the end of the in-process-of-being-dug return part of the loop.  Once the return loop is finished, then returning empty pods could return 'slowly' if there are more pods than loading docks. 

With 10 loading docks [think one air terminal with 10 airplanes with 10 moveable tunnels going from waiting area to each plane, only pairs of double doors (pod and dock airlocks) instead of moveable tunnels, gates a little more than a pod's length apart, and the whole thing automated], ten pods could be filled and sent on their way simultaneously (or nearly so), delivering 16 x 10 people in 4 minutes (or so). (With vacuums in the tunnel, the pods won't have to wait for settling air or anything other than electricity usage.)  Add half a minute for loading and moving new pods into place, and you get 100 pods (up to 1,600 people) from A to B in 45 minutes.  (If you only had 50 pods, then add 5 minutes or so to get all 50 back to the starting docks.) Halve the time if you have 20 loading docks.
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« Reply #262 on: August 16, 2018, 10:59:12 PM »
The 'parking area' could be the end of the in-process-of-being-dug return part of the loop.  Once the return loop is finished, then returning empty pods could return 'slowly' if there are more pods than loading docks. 

With 10 loading docks [think one air terminal with 10 airplanes with 10 moveable tunnels going from waiting area to each plane, only pairs of double doors (pod and dock airlocks) instead of moveable tunnels, gates a little more than a pod's length apart, and the whole thing automated], ten pods could be filled and sent on their way simultaneously (or nearly so), delivering 16 x 10 people in 4 minutes (or so). (With vacuums in the tunnel, the pods won't have to wait for settling air or anything other than electricity usage.)  Add half a minute for loading and moving new pods into place, and you get 100 pods (up to 1,600 people) from A to B in 45 minutes.  (If you only had 50 pods, then add 5 minutes or so to get all 50 back to the starting docks.) Halve the time if you have 20 loading docks.

Yes!  A tunnel extension long enough for a line of parked pods could easily be part of the original dig. (Although the rendering shows the pods sitting together near the “Lyft.”  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  )
No vaccuums in these tunnels, though.  This is Loop, not Hyperloop.
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« Reply #263 on: August 16, 2018, 11:10:57 PM »
So this tunnel's gross revenue is $3000 per Dodgers game? This may be privately funded but it certainly is not returning the investment in any way.

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« Reply #264 on: August 16, 2018, 11:13:31 PM »
So this tunnel's gross revenue is $3000 per Dodgers game? This may be privately funded but it certainly is not returning the investment in any way.

It’s a proof-of-concept.  Profit from the future projects that it will inspire will more than pay for it.
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« Reply #265 on: August 16, 2018, 11:22:43 PM »
I wonder if there is a business plan for these future profits, and if it involves taxpayer money, higher ticket prices, or some secret magic? I understand this is a POC but it's kind of misleading (for me, not in a legal sense) when it's privately funded and only costs $1, and it makes it sound like this is the real cost of the system, while in reality the $1 is a teaser money-losing price with some unknown plan behind it.

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« Reply #266 on: August 17, 2018, 01:28:21 AM »
Add half a minute for loading and moving new pods into place, and you get 100 pods (up to 1,600 people) from A to B in 45 minutes.  (If you only had 50 pods, then add 5 minutes or so to get all 50 back to the starting docks.) Halve the time if you have 20 loading docks.
If A is 3.6 miles from B, the 1600 fans could march to the stadium in ~55 min, or speed there by bicycle, roller skate or skateboard. The old or infirm could race ahead in provided powered wheelchairs. 8)


Younger fans would love the "pipe" effects with their boards and skates. Grandparents would be kept away from fast moving vehicles, while mom and pop could either enjoy a quick respite from a busy day in a wheel chair, or get in some much needed exercise after a long day at the office.
Pipe in a little fresh air and music, don't forget to leave the lights on, and think of the energy savings.


We might even be able to re-purpose the Los Angeles River Channel as an open top tunnel - if the river has water in it the game has been called on account of rain!


https://spotterup.com/the-soldiers-ideal-speed/
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« Reply #267 on: August 17, 2018, 01:28:53 AM »
I wonder if there is a business plan for these future profits, and if it involves taxpayer money, higher ticket prices, or some secret magic? I understand this is a POC but it's kind of misleading (for me, not in a legal sense) when it's privately funded and only costs $1, and it makes it sound like this is the real cost of the system, while in reality the $1 is a teaser money-losing price with some unknown plan behind it.

The Boring Company is also funding the big Chicago “O’Hare Airport to Downtown” Loop project without taxpayer dollars.  In fact, the city wants to be sure it gets a cut of future profits.

I agree this is startlingly different from the way most infrastructure programs usually work — but Musk doesn’t think about profit the way most companies do. :)  He’s willing to take a chance on new technology because he’s optimistic about it being better for the customer and better for the planet.  If it were anyone else doing this, I would probably have the same doubts you have!  But he’s the one who couldn’t persuade the Russians to sell him a rocket, so he whipped up a spreadsheet and decided he could just build one himself.  And now SpaceX is a multi-billion-dollar company.  It’s easy to think tunnels and Loops could be just as successful.
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« Reply #268 on: August 17, 2018, 02:27:23 AM »
The projections made by the boring company are absurd.

BREAKING: Boring Company announces LA to NYC 2,500 mile tunnel. Travel time will be 19 minutes. Project will be completed in 14 weeks and cost $11. Lifetime passes available now, only $1,000.
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« Reply #269 on: September 06, 2018, 06:33:06 PM »
The story of suburbs, and cars versus trains.

Why Is American Mass Transit So Bad? It's a Long Story.
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... The big investments of the revival era were too little, too late. They also began the ominous pattern of relying on federal funding for capital construction and scarce local dollars for operations and maintenance. Today, many systems have limited frequency and severe maintenance issues due to funding shortfalls over the decades. From New York to San Francisco to Chicago to D.C., virtually every major American rapid transit system has had a service meltdown as a result of chronic deferred maintenance. ...
https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/08/how-america-killed-transit/568825/

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« Reply #270 on: September 07, 2018, 05:09:33 PM »
Joe Rogan asks about Boring Company. Elon Musk responses, "I mean, I'm not saying it's going to be successful."

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. DUH!
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« Reply #271 on: September 08, 2018, 05:13:01 AM »
You forgot to mention that he was smoking a joint during the interview!  He seems intent on destroying his own company.

It was bad enough when he scared share holders with a twit about taking the company private.  It got worse when he stoked the fight with the cave diver in Thailand for no apparent reason. 

But, to smoke a joint on camera while discussing the company's future was about the worst possible thing he could do. 


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« Reply #272 on: September 08, 2018, 07:29:12 AM »
Musk did a Clinton. He didn't draw back and he only had one puff. Also it wasn't illegal, but of course it does show where his head is at when sober

What this does is force the institutional investors to run from him.  They hold the majority of stock in every company. They can't justify an investment in a company where the CEO is smoking pot and making business decisions. 

He can't get away from this.  That is why two executives resigned today. He will most likey be removed by the board. But even then, I doubt his company will survive.  Mercedes just announced they are moving into his market. 


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« Reply #273 on: September 08, 2018, 08:38:47 AM »
I should note this thread's topic is the Boring Company, not Elon Musk's character or the future of Tesla (the company, not the famed inventor).

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« Reply #274 on: September 08, 2018, 08:42:14 AM »
Understood, but I think anything he has control over is about to take a hard hit. 

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« Reply #275 on: September 08, 2018, 08:53:23 AM »
I strongly doubt Boring will be affected in the least by Musk smoking pot or going crazy with some diver or all the other recent headlines. This private company exists solely because of Musk and his creative insanity. I personally don't think it has a business model, but that's a different issue.

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« Reply #276 on: September 08, 2018, 10:46:13 AM »
Understood, but I think anything he has control over is about to take a hard hit.

Sounds like you want to buy some put options on Tesla.
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« Reply #277 on: September 08, 2018, 08:10:09 PM »
Preferably it should be changed to "The Boring Company (Elon Musk)", if Neven is reading this.

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« Reply #278 on: September 09, 2018, 12:14:10 AM »
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 9/8/18, 4:36 PM
Test-driving our new boring machine with a [video-game-type controller]
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1038526444253503488

The Boring Company (@boringcompany) 9/8/18, 4:24 PM
Best video game ever pic.twitter.com/DlGFsji76l
https://twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1038523411922731010
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« Reply #279 on: September 09, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
More info:

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Parts of that second machine is sitting next to the Hawthorne tunnel entrance and it looks like it was what the company is working on in this new video shared by Musk:

They are controlling the machine with an Xbox video game controller.

It appears to be the part that places the tunnel sections on the sides as the head of the machine grinds forward.

Currently, boring machines, including the one used in the Hawthorne tunnel by the Boring Company, require a worker moving around with the tool in order to guide it in the right position, which is both inefficient and dangerous.

It looks like the startup is attempting to find new ways to control and place those sections. ...
https://electrek.co/2018/09/08/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-digging-machine-xbox-controller/
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« Reply #280 on: September 09, 2018, 04:16:02 PM »
I strongly doubt Boring will be affected in the least by Musk smoking pot or going crazy with some diver or all the other recent headlines. This private company exists solely because of Musk and his creative insanity. I personally don't think it has a business model, but that's a different issue.

Of course there is no business model. It is just another Musk Cult of Personality megalomaniac business venture.

There is no company without Musk's credibility. How can you say this thread is about the company and not Musk??? Without the belief that Musk is a super genius and that everything he touches is bound for success, every one of his ventures will be seen for what it is: an ill-thought-out endeavor totally void of a serious business model and maintained through hype and preying on naive people's hopes (and probably with a decent bit of fraud sprinkled on top).
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« Reply #281 on: September 10, 2018, 03:19:05 AM »
You mean that underground, emissions free, mass transportation is not part of the solution to climate change and a host of local societal problems.

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« Reply #282 on: September 10, 2018, 04:59:37 AM »
You mean that underground, emissions free, mass transportation is not part of the solution to climate change and a host of local societal problems.

Please.

I think we have discovered what Musk actually does with his 120 work weeks...post propaganda on online forums. Too bad he really sucks and it, and can't even put together a believable argument. If I was going to shill for a faux-green company, I'm sure I could put together more credible arguments than this nonsense.
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« Reply #283 on: September 13, 2018, 01:42:18 PM »
Boring Company approved to build a tunnel entrance inside a residential garage
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The Boring Company recently purchased a parcel of land close to SpaceX Headquarters, on 120th St. near Prairie Avenue. Now, the small residence in an industrial neighborhood could house a private, prototype garage, according to The Beach Reporter.

Elon Musk's young tunneling company was granted approval from the Hawthorne City Council today to build a shaft on the property. The shaft would go down to a tunnel that The Boring Company had built as a sort of tunneling laboratory. The shaft would one day house an elevator that could lower a car down into the tunnel without leaving the garage.

Although The Boring Company still needs to provide more detailed plans to the city of Hawthorne before it can start building, the initial plans suggest that the company is looking to test different ways that its tunnels could be accessed (and perhaps paid for). ...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/09/boring-company-approved-to-build-a-tunnel-entrance-inside-a-residential-garage/


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  First Boring Brick store opening in ~2 months. Only 10 cents a brick! Rated for California seismic loads.

  Bricks will be free if used for affordable housing projects

  About to finish first TBC HQ building made with Boring Bricks in the shape of a medieval watchtower
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #284 on: September 13, 2018, 08:02:19 PM »
Boring Company approved to build a tunnel entrance inside a residential garage

What a joke! Very batman/green. LLOL

what's Musk's cost estimate, $14 per residence? will the walls of the tunnel be constructed with his 10 cent bricks? will the tunnel bring people to a launch site for vacations on Mars? will the tunnels have a dual-use as water purification tank for Flint? will the tunnels be capable of incarcerating pedophiles Musk has identified? did he think this all up with help from neuralink and a 200 hour work week? WHAT A JOKE
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #285 on: October 20, 2018, 12:15:50 AM »
Chicago.  Not Chicago.  Hawthorne, California! 

The Boring Company (@boringcompany) 10/19/18, 4:09 PM
O’Leary Station taking shape
https://twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1053377676440854528
Image below.

https://www.boringcompany.com/chicago/
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« Reply #286 on: October 22, 2018, 01:57:37 PM »
This is the 3/4- or 1-mile test tunnel in Hawthorne, not the 3.6-mile tunnel to Dodger stadium.
They plan an “opening event” for December 10 and that the tunnel will be opened for free rides to the public the next day.  Tunnel is permitted for demonstration and testing, not transportation, at this point.

Elon Musk's Boring Company announces completion and launch of first tunnel by December
https://electrek.co/2018/10/22/elon-musk-boring-company-launch-tunnel-december/

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<< Please tell me you’re going to make it look cool inside the tunnels! ❤️
https://twitter.com/pkmnmasterholly/status/1054164782004105217
[moving lighted tunnel gif at the link]

Elon Musk:  Pretty close, actually
Opening event that night & free rides for the public next day
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1054167515792793600

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"I'm actually quite a big fan of tunnels. Tunnels are so under-appreciated. Something that I do think would help a lot in cities is tunnels. I think this is going to sound somewhat trivial or silly, but I’ve been saying this for many years now, but I think that the solution to urban congestion is a network of tunnels under cities. We got this fundamental flaw with cities that you got office buildings and apartment buildings and duplexes, and they are operating on three dimensions. But then you go to the streets and suddenly you're two-dimensional. The fundamental problem is that we build cities in 3D. You’ve got these tall buildings with lots of people on each floor, but then you've got roads which are 2D, you have a road network that is one level. That obviously just doesn't work.

Then people generally want to go in and out of those buildings at the exact same time. So then you get the traffic jams, you’re guaranteed to have gridlock. But you can go 3D, if you have tunnels, and you can have many tunnels crisscrossing each other with maybe a few meters vertical distance between them, and completely get rid of traffic problems. It's my understanding that Hong Kong is actually in the process of building some tunnels; I was very pleased to hear that, that really is the solution for solving traffic in major cities."

Source: "Elon Musk: The Unauthorized Autobiography"
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« Reply #287 on: October 24, 2018, 02:13:06 AM »
This Atlantic writer wants to rip up NYC’s old subway tracks and instead run a variety of autonomous/electric vehicles.

The New York City Subway Is Beyond Repair
Forget trains. It’s time for something radically different.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/the-new-york-city-subway-is-beyond-repair/562472/
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« Reply #288 on: October 24, 2018, 06:07:41 AM »
Atlantic Council ? The Capitalism Nazis ? They hate anything for the public, including transport.

I use the subway in New Yawk several times a year, weeks at a time. The thing is falling apart, and Sandy really did a number, the saltwater damage will take another five years to fix, if then. But the thing mostly runs. Replacing trains with a million intelligent skateboards sounds like an Uber wet dream. The reply by the transport engineer (linked in the article) outlines some of the problems. Apart from the fact that self driving intelligent skateboards don't exist.

In my opinion, the guy is a moron, and I feel stupider for having read that. At least now, i know not to read anything else by him.

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« Reply #289 on: October 24, 2018, 02:44:14 PM »
Atlantic Council ? The Capitalism Nazis ?
The Atlantic magazine is not the Atlantic Council.

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« Reply #290 on: October 24, 2018, 06:14:13 PM »
Atlantic Council ? The Capitalism Nazis ? They hate anything for the public, including transport.

I use the subway in New Yawk several times a year, weeks at a time. The thing is falling apart, and Sandy really did a number, the saltwater damage will take another five years to fix, if then. But the thing mostly runs. Replacing trains with a million intelligent skateboards sounds like an Uber wet dream. The reply by the transport engineer (linked in the article) outlines some of the problems. Apart from the fact that self driving intelligent skateboards don't exist.

In my opinion, the guy is a moron, and I feel stupider for having read that. At least now, i know not to read anything else by him.

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Sorry to have challenged your imagination so grievously. ;)
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #291 on: October 26, 2018, 12:15:27 PM »
“O’Leary Station” is in Hawthorne, California!

The Boring Company's garage-elevator site shows flurry of activity ahead of Dec 10 public showing
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-company-activity-garage-elevator-site-o-leary-station/
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« Reply #292 on: November 04, 2018, 01:34:01 PM »
“One-dimensional” ;D

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 11/3/18, 3:31 AM
Walked full length of Boring Co tunnel under LA tonight. Disturbingly long. On track for opening party Dec 10. Will be very one-dimensional.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1058622599188504576

34-sec time lapse moving through tunnel end to end:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1058767039102312448

<< how long will a ride take?
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 11/3/18, 1:28 PM
Just a few mins, which is mostly accelerating & decelerating
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1058772996112826369

From the recent Recode interview:

New York’s 2.5-mile subway extension cost $2 billion.  So, about a billion dollars a mile.  Musk’s smaller tunnel cost about $10 million a mile, not including the equipment.

In talking to the engineering heads of the various tunneling companies, he found that they had no idea if their machines were power-limited or thermal-limited.  “Things like increasing power is relatively easy, and then you hit the threshold where youʼve added so much power that youʼre melting the drill head.”  So he took “rocket technology and automotive technology and applying it to drilling.”  And made it electric, which eliminates deadly fumes in the tunnel, and used batteries, which eliminates the need for a huge, very long power cable.  “We need to massively crank up the power to the drill head, and then ... we need to cool it.”  And automate the placement of the tunnel reinforcements, so digging doesn’t have to stop while that is done. 

Because we can dig deeper than we can build high, a hundred levels of tunnels is possible….

The Boring Company used a Tesla chassis to make a train that carries the dirt out of the tunnel — again, with no diesel fumes.
https://electrek.co/2018/06/14/tesla-model-x-rails-elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel/

The full Recode interview podcast and transcript is here: https://www.recode.net/2018/11/2/18053424/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-boring-company-self-driving-cars-saudi-twitter-kara-swisher-decode-podcast
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« Reply #293 on: November 11, 2018, 10:17:38 PM »
Elon Musk on double-decker freeways, permitting, and building sewers
Water and electrical transport are also on the table.
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Tesla, SpaceX, and Boring Company CEO Elon Musk is good at finding alternative markets for his products. He did this with the lithium-ion batteries he was building and sourcing for his Model S, X, and eventually Model 3 cars: by developing a line of stationary storage battery products, he tapped into another well of potential customers at little additional expense.

Similarly, Musk told mayors on Thursday that he wants The Boring Company to dig sewers, water transport, and electrical tunnels under cities, in addition to the transportation-focused tunnels he hopes to dig to house electric skate systems.

Musk mentioned this alternate use for his boring machines at the National League of Cities' City Summit, during a "fireside chat" with Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti. According to Forbes, Musk told the audience, "The Boring Company is also going to do tunneling for, like, water transport, sewage, electrical. We're not going to turn our noses up at sewage tunnels. We're happy to do that too."

The Boring Company is built on the premise that tunneling technology has not been adequately developed. Musk claims that his boring machines will tunnel faster than the industry's best machines.
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In December 2016, the CEO tweeted that he hated traffic so much he was going to build tunnels. At Thursday's fireside chat, Garcetti said he received a text from Musk the day after Musk made that tweet. The text asked the LA mayor, "Do I need permits for this?" Garcetti, laughing, told the audience that he responded "yes, there are probably going to be some permits that you need."
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/11/elon-musk-on-double-decker-freeways-permitting-and-building-sewers/
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« Reply #294 on: November 17, 2018, 01:48:55 PM »
The Hawthorne, California “test tunnel”

Elon Musk releases video of Boring Company breaking through other end of first tunnel
https://electrek.co/2018/11/17/elon-musk-boring-compan-first-tunnel/
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« Reply #295 on: November 29, 2018, 04:34:43 PM »
NBC News tweeted: Elon Musk's Boring Company announced that it was withdrawing plans for a high-tech transportation tunnel below the 405 freeway along Los Angeles' Westside.

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 11/28/18, 9:33 PM
@NBCNews This is completely backwards. Based on what we’ve learned from the Hawthorne test tunnel, we’re moving forward with a much larger tunnel network under LA. Won’t need a second test tunnel under Sepulveda.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1067969782803128320


Elon Musk’s Boring Company extracts TBM segments as tunnel debut nears
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On November 27, a large crew of Boring Company employees and contractors converged upon the company’s Praire Avenue work site, home of a number of recent milestones for the tunneling startup’s 2-mile long test tunnel situated beneath Hawthorne, California. Just a handful of blocks away from SpaceX’s main rocket factory, The Boring Co. completed the removal of its first tunnel boring machine (TBM), allowing the company to begin cleaning up the site, preparing it for the installation of a brand new elevator shaft capable of transporting vehicles or custom sleds into or out of the tunnel.

The extraction of Godot, the tunneling startup’s first TBM, was shared by the company on its official Twitter account. Godot is a conventional TBM, and during the company’s information session earlier this year, Elon Musk noted that the machine would be succeeded by Line-Storm, which is “essentially a hybrid between a conventional boring machine and Proof-Rock, a fully Boring Company-designed machine.” Being electric-powered, Proof-rock is expected have 3x more power and operate 10-15x times faster than Godot. ...
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-company-boring-machine-segment-removal-complete-tunnel-debut/

Boring TBM models:  Godot ->  Line-Storm  ->  Proof-Rock
And reusability will be key!
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« Reply #296 on: December 08, 2018, 10:15:46 PM »
Elon Musk’s Boring Company extracts TBM segments as tunnel debut nears
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-company-boring-machine-segment-removal-complete-tunnel-debut/

Elon Musk’s Boring Company to unveil ‘fully road legal autonomous transport cars’
https://electrek.co/2018/12/06/elon-musk-boring-company-fully-road-legal-autonomous-transport-cars/

The Boring Company starts building Elon Musk’s ‘Monty Python’-style watchtower
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Last month, Elon Musk announced that The Boring Company is building a watchtower in Los Angeles, and that the tunneling startup would need someone who can “yell insults at people in a French accent” to work on the site. As strange and unusual as the job listing was, a position for “Watchtower Guard” did appear on the Boring Company’s official website.

The watchtower that the knight would be placed at is expected to be built with Boring Bricks, which are durable, low-cost blocks made from tunneling rock and dirt from TBC’s digging operations. As Elon Musk and The Boring Company shared images and clips of the guards’ hiring process, the tunneling startup appears to have started the construction of its watchtower as well. Recent photos taken by Teslarati photographer Pauline Acalin reveal that as of Tuesday, the framework of a tall structure near the Boring Company’s tunnels is already in the process of being built.
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-the-boring-company-monty-python-watchtower-pictures/
Article explains the pop culture references and a relevant ‘Month Python’ video clip. ;)
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Re: The Boring Company
« Reply #297 on: December 16, 2018, 02:14:22 PM »
When you need to build a tunnel watchtower at Ludicrous speed:

The Boring Company cleverly lays bricks on Elon Musk's 'Monty Python' watchtower
https://www.teslarati.com/the-boring-company-lays-bricks-elon-musk-monty-python-watchtower-pictures/

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Pauline Acalin (@w00ki33) 12/15/18, 2:47 PM
Just drove by... I literally don't even know how to caption this epic scene.
https://twitter.com/w00ki33/status/1074028244813279232
[Images below.]

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 12/16/18, 2:22 AM
Medieval Futurism
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1074203199496540160
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« Reply #298 on: December 19, 2018, 03:16:48 PM »
Those bricks on the watchtower above?  Were made with dirt from the tunnel next to it. :)
They’re $0.10 a brick, or free if your project will help others.

Here’s a less technical article and short videos on the Hawthorne test tunnel revealed last night:
Elon Musk and Gayle King test drive the tunnel he hopes will solve L.A. traffic
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-inside-boring-company-tunnel-with-gayle-king-spacex/

For more technical info, see the detailed video discussion and FAQ here:
https://www.boringcompany.com

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) 12/18/18, 10:32 PM
The demo ride takes you in *same* car on road, down elevator, zips through tunnel using guide wheels, up elevator at destination & then drives on normal roads back to start
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1075232313082929154

Tesla in @boringcompany tunnel with retractable wheel gear that turns a car into a rail-guided train & back again pic.twitter.com/3a6i0NoSmi
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1075227467239940096
- This can be applied to any autonomous, electric vehicle, not just Tesla
- Capable of traveling safely at over 150mph. At that speed, it will feel like teleporting within a city.
- All Boring Loops will include continuously circulating cars dedicated to pedestrians & cyclists
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« Reply #299 on: December 19, 2018, 06:12:38 PM »
At this link is a one-minute TBC video of the prototype in action. (When the red light on the roof at the entry turns green: go! ;D ):
The Boring Company (@boringcompany)
12/19/18, 4:16 AM
The Boring Company Loop system
https://twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1075318894871470081


Even at the ~45mph demonstration speeds, “It took at least twice as long to make the drive back through traffic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/18/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-party-tonight-los-angeles


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The tunnel cost an estimated $10 million, roughly a quarter of Musk’s total investment in The Boring Company, which is funded nearly entirely by Musk personally. Asked whether Tuesday’s event was an effort to drum up investment in the private company, Musk said there is no shortage of those wishing to invest.

“We have people hounding us to invest non-stop,” Musk said.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/19/elon-musk-unveils-boring-companys-long-ballyhooed-tunnel-aimed-at-easing-soul-crushing-traffic/amp/
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