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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #650 on: June 24, 2020, 07:25:51 AM »
^^Why do you want to know Tom?



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More articles about the Guardian investigation into unaffordable water at:

   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/americas-water-crisis

Also an article by Bernie Sanders (and Brenda Lawrence).
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 08:01:39 AM by nanning »
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #651 on: June 24, 2020, 12:11:07 PM »
^^Why do you want to know Tom?



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More articles about the Guardian investigation into unaffordable water at:

   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/americas-water-crisis

Also an article by Bernie Sanders (and Brenda Lawrence).
I live in Ohio. Am I close to this city? My water bills are pretty high.
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #652 on: June 24, 2020, 03:57:28 PM »
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One city i am familiar with in ohio, refused to do anything until the federal EPA sued both the city _and the state EPA_  to enforce clean water law.
What city is that, sidd?

Can you please answer sidd?  I tried to look this up, but was unable to find anything.

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #654 on: June 24, 2020, 06:48:01 PM »
Those links are to environmental groups suing the EPA.  They are not about a single municipality  but several, all of which are related to algae bloom in Lake Erie.  I found nothing about the cost of water and sewer tripling, nor a price tag of $18 billion.  Perhaps sidd can better help here.

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #655 on: June 24, 2020, 07:55:00 PM »
Perhaps that's because you didn't read the information that was given to you ...

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... (Washington, DC - December 22, 2010) The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the U.S. Justice Department announced today a comprehensive Clean Water Act settlement with the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District that will address the flow of untreated sewage into Cleveland area waterways and Lake Erie. The settlement will safeguard water quality and protect human health by capturing and treating more than 98 percent of wet weather flows entering the combined sewer system, which services the city of Cleveland and 59 adjoining communities.

Or, perhaps your just sealioning
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #656 on: June 24, 2020, 08:08:22 PM »
Cleveland area?
Yep, that's my part of the state  :'(
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« Reply #657 on: June 24, 2020, 08:59:30 PM »
Perhaps that's because you didn't read the information that was given to you ...

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... (Washington, DC - December 22, 2010) The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the U.S. Justice Department announced today a comprehensive Clean Water Act settlement with the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District that will address the flow of untreated sewage into Cleveland area waterways and Lake Erie. The settlement will safeguard water quality and protect human health by capturing and treating more than 98 percent of wet weather flows entering the combined sewer system, which services the city of Cleveland and 59 adjoining communities.

Or, perhaps your just sealioning

That's not it.  Still waiting.

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #658 on: June 26, 2020, 04:17:18 PM »
Personal experience.

I know how it is to feel anxiety like many poor people in rich countries have. Every time an official council letter arrives in the post, I am afraid it might put me into involuntary work without an interview, without a contract and far below the minimum salary. I think it would be slavery.
I'm on benefits with an extremely low chance of work in this culture. And I am glad I'm not living in the Anglosphere.

Do you know this anxiety? Of losing control over your life?
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #659 on: June 26, 2020, 06:40:36 PM »
nanning, I've always had minimal control over my life anyway.
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #660 on: July 01, 2020, 07:03:45 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/30/tesla-shareholders-urged-to-oust-elon-musk-over-55bn-pay-deal

I don't know what the best fitting thread is for this.


Tesla inc.

Bonus of CEO employee: $ 55,000,000,000   (conditional)
Please note that this specific employee is already a billionaire, not a 'worker', and keeps making problems.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.
Number of employees: 48,016

One employee's bonus divided over all employees:
$ 1,145,451 per employee
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #661 on: July 02, 2020, 09:14:37 PM »
States With Highest Income Inequality Experienced a Larger Number of COVID-19 Deaths
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-states-highest-income-inequality-experienced.html

States with the highest level of income inequality had a larger number of COVID-19-related deaths compared with states with lower income inequality. New York state, with the highest income inequality, had a mortality rate of 51.7 deaths per 100,000. This is 125 times greater than Utah, the state with the lowest income inequality and which had a mortality of 0.41 per 100,000 at the end of the period studied.

Looking at the top three in each category, New York was followed by Louisiana with 19 deaths per 100,000, and Connecticut with 16.9 deaths per 100,000. States in addition to Utah with the lowest COVID deaths that were linked to income inequality were South Dakota, with 0.7 deaths per 100,000 and North Dakota, which had one death per 100,000.

As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, data from New York City and Chicago shows that African Americans and Hispanics have experienced higher rates of infection and death. These groups are largely low income, have less access to health care, hold essential jobs limiting their ability to maintain social distancing, and frequently live in extended family households where the infection risk is higher.

Carlos Irwin A. Oronce et al. Association Between State-Level Income Inequality and COVID-19 Cases and Mortality in the USA, Journal of General Internal Medicine (2020).
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-020-05971-3

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #662 on: July 02, 2020, 09:22:17 PM »
Not sure about the significance of this information, but Democratic states had higher income inequality and COVID cases than Republican states.  But that does not mean they is a direct correlation.

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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #663 on: July 02, 2020, 11:07:22 PM »
Not sure about the significance of this information, but Democratic states had higher income inequality and COVID cases than Republican states.  But that does not mean they is a direct correlation.


If there is a correlation it's the other way around, states with higher income inequality have more discontent citizens who vote democrats. People who see or feel injustice tend to vote more left and people who are content tend to vote the middle. Since there is no "middle" in the U.S. that is worth to mention I assume they vote "NON-Left" = Republican.


Of course as usual things are not that simple which is why I say "IF there is a correlation" then.....
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #664 on: July 03, 2020, 03:38:15 AM »
Democrats do better in heavily populated areas and Republicans do better in rural areas. That explains 100% of those trends.

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« Reply #665 on: July 03, 2020, 04:24:37 AM »
Democrats do better in heavily populated areas and Republicans do better in rural areas. That explains 100% of those trends.

Exactly!  But trying to tie COVID cases to either just because they correlate is ludicrous.

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« Reply #666 on: July 03, 2020, 11:16:22 AM »
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #667 on: July 08, 2020, 12:34:25 AM »
COVID-19 Demonstrates Why Wealth Matters
https://phys.org/news/2020-07-covid-wealth.html

Data suggest that the pandemic may exacerbate underlying inequalities.

..."Social distancing is a privilege that comes with resources and wealth, but wealth is not distributed equally in America," said Michal Grinstein-Weiss, the Shanti K. Khinduka Distinguished Professor and director of the SPI. "Wealth gives individuals agency to make choices, like social distancing, that keep themselves and their families healthy."

Black households had a harder time being able to socially distance compared with white peers. Black respondents reported needing to work to make money.

"Lower liquid assets leave people in a position of choosing income over social distance safety," Grinstein-Weiss said. "As money increases, affordability to social distance increases."

... The data was presented during a virtual event titled "The Impact of COVID-19 on the Racial, Gender, and Generational Wealth Gaps," co-hosted with the Center for Household Financial Stability at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.

https://socialpolicyinstitute.wustl.edu/impact-of-COVID-19-on-family-wealth/
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« Reply #668 on: July 09, 2020, 05:25:45 AM »
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #669 on: July 13, 2020, 12:57:07 PM »
Finland ends homelessness and provides shelter for all in need

Link >> https://scoop.me/housing-first-finland-homelessness/
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #670 on: July 14, 2020, 03:31:20 PM »
blumenkraft, here is how the good ole USA is handling homelessness:

Looming evictions may soon make 28 million homeless in U.S., expert says
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/looming-evictions-may-soon-make-28-million-homeless-expert-says.html

I especially like this little titbit:
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CNBC: Because of the pandemic, a lot of these evictions are unfolding over video or phone instead of in a courtroom. What are the issues that come up here?

EB: Even prior to the pandemic, the system was very challenging for tenants to navigate and to raise their rights — 90% of tenants across the country are unrepresented. When you consider that people are now choosing between rent and food for their families, they’re also unlikely to be able to pay for minutes on their phone, or Wi-Fi, to log into a remote hearing. So appearance itself may be very challenging. And if they fail to appear, if they weren’t able to dial in or if they don’t have the right link to the Zoom, that’s considered a failure to appear, which results in a default judgment for the property owner.
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Re: Economic Inequality
« Reply #671 on: July 14, 2020, 03:41:29 PM »
I know, Tom. It breaks my heart.  :'(
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« Reply #672 on: July 14, 2020, 04:30:30 PM »
28 million homeless people is a lot of desperate people.
That´s 7%.

Can´t end well.
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« Reply #673 on: July 14, 2020, 05:09:40 PM »
Finland ends homelessness and provides shelter for all in need

Link >> https://scoop.me/housing-first-finland-homelessness/

This is sort of socialist propaganda, there are at least some immigrants (illegal and legal) and a few finnish homeless people around even in my city. Some do not know where to ask about housing, some have ran away from their families, still some do not want to be housed in the areas there are available single rooms. An estimate could be a bit under 100 people.

Overall though, the situation is pretty good, and not too many try to overnight in the corridors of locked apartment blocks during winters.
Cooling the outside by heat pump.

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« Reply #674 on: July 14, 2020, 05:33:43 PM »
It´s about the system and what it wants to do. Actually housing the homeless is cheaper then pölicing them.

Of course this does not mean you can help everyone at once and there will always be outliers.

I actually ended up homeless and it took a while to get back. Along the way i met many people which were all different. Some were not actually interested in getting a house at all. It might be being used to a different life for too long.

Although i could never understand that. First time they gave me a key and i could lock a door again and outside was suddenly outside again i just cried.

Some people have different safe spaces but if you safe all the easy cases you have more resources (people figuring out what to do with them) for the special ones.
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« Reply #675 on: July 14, 2020, 05:46:01 PM »
Thanks a lot for sharing, Kassy. <3
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« Reply #676 on: July 15, 2020, 01:17:12 PM »
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« Reply #677 on: July 15, 2020, 04:12:59 PM »
A bit late.. Thank you kassy for that beautiful post. I completely agree and very much value a bit of life story. Gained many experiences, you know more about yourself and how to scan others, you managed and you perhaps learned a lot. Good that you have a home and a house again. Your own kitchen! :)
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« Reply #678 on: July 17, 2020, 11:04:29 AM »
How weird is this economy? It's so freaking weird, that a CNBC anchor is genuinely shocked by a guest saying “who cares” about billionaires losing money!

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« Reply #679 on: July 17, 2020, 06:54:32 PM »
The anchor is clearly a white supremacist who doesn't value the brown man's opinion.

I really don't understand how in 2020 anyone can look at ANYTHING and not think it is racist.

I follow a youtuber who does chess videos. Youtube finally banned his video. I mean the guy had been saying things like, "this is a good move because white will annihilate black in this position." Send this white chess player to the gulag already! There is no place for him in an anti-racist world.
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« Reply #680 on: July 17, 2020, 06:58:33 PM »
Or post to ´The Problem with social media´.

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« Reply #681 on: July 31, 2020, 08:52:13 PM »
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« Reply #682 on: August 04, 2020, 06:34:14 AM »
The richest families thet bloomberg knows about:

"The Waltons are richer than ever, adding $25 billion in the past year to take their combined fortune to an estimated $215 billion. "

"The family’s unprecedented fortune is almost $100 billion more than the Mars candy clan in second place."

“One of the powerful things about intergenerational wealth is they have very long-term time horizons,”

“The best way to reduce paying estate taxes is to give your assets away before they appreciate,”

Read all about our betters:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/richest-families-in-the-world/

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